Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on April 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.

Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.

This is the landscape President Obama confronts as he considers how to respond to growing evidence that Syrian officials have used chemical weapons, crossing a red line he had set…

“My sense is that there are no seculars,” said Elizabeth O’Bagy, of the Institute for the Study of War who has made numerous trips to Syria in recent months to interview rebel commanders.

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New questions have emerged over the source of the soil and other samples from Syria which, it is claimed, have tested positive for the nerve agent sarin, amid apparent inconsistencies between eyewitness accounts describing one of the attacks and textbook descriptions of the weapon…

According the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, “sarin is a nerve agent that is one of the most toxic of the known chemical warfare agents. It is a clear colourless liquid … generally odourless and tasteless”.

But eyewitness accounts of that attack, in which six rebels died and which were reported at the time by the Associated Press described “white smoke” pouring from shells that “smell[ed] … like hydrochloric acid”.

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As the Obama administration weighs how to respond to the use of poison gas, intelligence officials say they are confident that sophisticated tests of tissue and soil samples and other evidence point to sarin. But reactions in the U.S. intelligence community have varied because of the possibility — however small — that the exposure was accidental or caused by rebel fighters or others outside the Syrian government’s control, officials said.

Releases of poison gas could have occurred when soldiers loyal to the regime, which has been trying to secure and consolidate its dozens of chemical weapons sites, moved part of its stockpile, a U.S. Defense official said. Another possibility is that disloyal Syrian weapons scientists supplied chemicals to rebel fighters…

“The Iraq WMD is looming over this, as it ought to be,” a senior congressional official said. “How can you be more confident in the assessment here? These are questions we are all asking.”

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Syrian Information Minister Omran Al-Zoubi rejected US and British allegations Damascus had used chemical weapons against opposition fighters, and instead accused Turkey of allowing rebels to transfer chemical weapons across the border into Syria, the Syrian SANA new agency reported…

The Americans “want to manipulate the issue, to let whoever used the chemical weapons … get away (with it), and to repeat the Iraq example,” Al-Zoubi said.

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“The reason to push the evidentiary basis is to have a better chance of convincing the Russians that an international red line has been crossed,” and that appropriate action should be taken, said one knowledgeable official. “That’s the best outcome.”…

U.S. military planners are developing detailed options for how the U.S. could take action once decisive evidence of Syrian chemical weapons use has been found. There are a range of targets, including facilities associated with the chemical weapons program, the command and control nodes of Assad’s army and special units that have been involved in the bloodiest fighting. But these would be major operations requiring a very heavy investment of money, troops and hardware, and the administration much prefers the alternative of a negotiated political settlement, if it can be achieved with Russian help.

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One thing that Obama has made very clear in his approach to war and peace: He abhors the prospect of uncontrolled escalation. (In this sense, he bears similarities to John F. Kennedy.) And, as he no doubt knows well, Syria isn’t Libya, where an embattled, isolated dictator was hanging on to power only with the aid of foreign mercenaries. Assad has the Syrian army fighting for him (minus a few high-ranking defectors); he has the support of several factions of the Syrian population, including Christians, who fear what might happen if the Muslim rebels—some of them radical Islamists—take power; and he receives aid, to varying degrees, from Russia, China, and Iran. Toppling Assad might mark not the end but merely a new chapter of a bourgeoning civil war…

But any president who’s apprehensive about escalation—and any president who’s read the history of the Vietnam War, as Obama has—must be concerned that one step inexorably leads to another. What happens after the first step? What happens when the Syrians escalate in response? Who cleans up the mess after it’s over? How much will this venture, however well intentioned, cost in lives and dollars? Obama probably also knows that the senators urging him to take military action will shirk responsibility, and blame him for all the troubles, if Syria collapses or goes up in flames in the aftermath.

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“Once you set up a military no-fly zone or safe zone, you’re on a slippery slope, mission creep and before you know it, you have boots on the ground,” said Bruce Riedel, a former CIA analyst and Middle East expert at the Brookings Institution.

“Or you end up like Libya where you don’t really have a control mechanism for the end-game, should you end up with chaos.”

The U.S. military has also completed planning for going into Syria and securing its chemical weapons under different scenarios, including one in which Assad falls from power and his forces disintegrate, leaving weapons sites vulnerable to pillaging…

Asked if he was confident the U.S. military could secure Syria’s chemical weapons stock, Dempsey told Congress: “Not as I sit here today simply because they have been moving it and the number of sites is quite numerous.”

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With even ardent Obama supporters like Jeffrey Goldberg reminding the president he has made it crystal clear that chemical weapons use would be a red line that would trigger a strong U.S. response, what follows will not only tell us whether that promise would be kept. It will also illustrate just how seriously to take other pledges the administration has made, specifically its vow never to allow Iran to go nuclear. With the White House desperately trying to buy time before making a decision on Syria, it’s fair to ask why anyone should regard American rhetoric on Iran as anything more than an elaborate bluff if Obama won’t keep his word about Assad’s behavior…

There may be no good options in Syria, but the blowback from a realization that the U.S. won’t stop mass killings in this manner may be far more costly. The price may not be paid by Americans, at least not immediately, but the toll in blood and diplomatic and security complications will be great. If American “red lines” mean nothing, then Obama’s blind faith in diplomacy will be exposed as a disastrous sham.

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Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has huge stakes in the survival of Mr. Assad, his only real ally in the region. And United States intelligence analysts believe that Iran’s leaders have interpreted two decades of American drift on the North — during which Mr. Obama’s three immediate predecessors all said they would never tolerate the country’s obtaining nuclear arms — as a sign that Washington will not wage war to stop even a rogue nation from obtaining nuclear arms, or the ability to build them.

If the United States intervened in Syria to secure its chemical stockpiles — perhaps organizing the Arab League, the members of the Gulf Cooperation Council or NATO to share the job — Israeli officials say it would be a signal that Mr. Obama would most likely back up his warnings to Iran the same way. But the prospect of such a move also worries many in Jerusalem: one senior official said he feared that an intervention in Syria could also obfuscate “the problem of greater concern” for Israel, stopping Iran’s nuclear program.

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But the White House must recognize that the game has already changed. U.S. credibility is on the line. For all the temptation to hide behind the decision to invade Iraq based on faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction, Obama must realize the tremendous damage he will do to the United States and to his legacy if he fails to act. He should understand the deep and lasting damage done when the gap between words and deeds becomes too great to ignore, when those who wield power are exposed as not saying what they mean or meaning what they say.

The distrust, cynicism and hatred with which the United States is regarded in much of the world, particularly among Muslims across the Middle East and North Africa, is already a cancer. Standing by while Assad gasses his people will guarantee that, whatever else Obama may achieve, he will be remembered as a president who proclaimed a new beginning with the Muslim world but presided over a deadly chapter in the same old story.

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Claire McCaskill, a Democratic senator and member of the homeland-security and armed-services committees, stood out this Sunday morning by not rejecting the possibility of deploying U.S. troops to address Syria’s civil war. When host Bob Schieffer asked her and Republican senator Saxby Chambliss about the possibility or necessity of deploying U.S. troops at some point, McCaskill responded, “I don’t think you ever want to rule it out. As Saxby said, this thing has really deteriorated, and it’s not really at a tipping point, so I don’t think you ever want to say absolutely not. Obviously, we don’t want to do that unless it’s absolutely necessary.”…

The circumstances under which U.S. troops would be deployed aren’t clear — a U.N. peacekeeping operation, likely under Chapter VII of the U.N. charter, is not out of the question if Russia and China finally accept Assad’s fate, but U.S. troops do not particpate in such operations except as commanders (the U.S. contributes a huge share of their funding, though). A NATO on-the-ground peacekeeping or peace-making mission is theoretically possible, but was not carried out during the Libyan civil war, despite NATO’s extensive involvement — some allied special forces were put on the ground, but not Americans.

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It’s a headache for a president whose main mission was to get America out of bad wars, not into new ones. But there’s likely no way around it — sooner or later, Obama will have to make good on enforcing his red line. Failure to do so will undermine his credibility, encourage the Assad regime to deploy additional chemical weapons, and send a powerful signal to America’s friends and adversaries that we don’t mean what we say…

But a red line has indeed been crossed — not only in terms of Syria’s use of chemical weapons, but also in the slippery slide toward American military involvement. What Obama needs to decide is whether such military action is designed to deter the use of chemical weapons or topple the Assad regime by giving the rebels the advantages they’ve long sought — weapons, a no-fly zone, or direct U.S. military strikes against regime targets.

There’s a lot that’s murky about Syria right now, but one thing is clear. For America, a messy situation is about to get a whole lot messier.

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McCain said that putting U.S. troops in Syria is the “worst thing America could do right now,” because the Syrian people are bitter and angry at the United States.

“I think that the American people are weary. They don’t want boots on the ground. I don’t want boots on the ground,” McCain said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

But McCain urged the Obama administration to take several actions in Syria, such as arming rebel groups or establishing a safe zone, steps he and other GOP hawks have long pressed for.

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Via NRO.

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Via the Weekly Standard.


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Just words.

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:05 PM

STAY OUT

John the Libertarian on April 28, 2013 at 8:06 PM

“The Iraq WMD is looming over this, as it ought to be,”

Bush lied..

End of story…
Right?

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Both sides are evil. Let ‘em kill each other.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 28, 2013 at 8:07 PM

“I think that the American people are weary. They don’t want boots on the ground. I don’t want boots on the ground,” McCain said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Lololol. Of course you don’t Juan. Of course you don’t.

HotAirLib on April 28, 2013 at 8:08 PM

STAY OUT

John the Libertarian on April 28, 2013 at 8:06 PM

For now..
Until Europe drags Obama in.

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:08 PM

America has no reason to intervene in Syria….

This time I am glad Obama lied….

Obama is not a man of his word, so the warring parties in Syria have nothing to fear but each other.

redguy on April 28, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Barry’s weakest suit… Being Presidential. My guess is he is looking for a mega-important fundraiser or partay to attend.

RalphyBoy on April 28, 2013 at 8:09 PM

If only the Teleprompter knew better….

viking01 on April 28, 2013 at 8:12 PM

is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.
=========================

Boots on the ground,to help with Sharia Law!

It looks like a Democrat/Progressive Social Justice Dream,
me thinks!!

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Obviously NASA has failed Obama…

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:13 PM

The Libyan DeBauckle Déjà Vu Part Deux!

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Where is that frigging reset button, anyway ?

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Obviously NASA has failed Obama…

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Electrong:Which part,the OutReach,or the Muslims!(sarc):)

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Le crap,thats Electrongod,not (Electrong).

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:17 PM

U.S. credibility is on the line.

That is what the majority(comprised of looters and moochers) voted for. They elected the bat-faced snake eater to destroy US credibility.

tom daschle concerned on April 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Where is that frigging reset button, anyway ?

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 8:15 PM

pambi:Its not activated till 3:00AM:)

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Le crap,thats Electrongod,not (Electrong).

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:17 PM

That’s my rapper name Electron-G :)

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:20 PM

When Neda Soltani lie bleeding on the sidewalk in Teheran, Obama, were he a real President, could have issued a simple statement. “The UNited States and the American people stand solidly behind the people of Iran and wish them success as they strive no matter how difficult for a government of their own choosing.”

The Iranians could have handled things fine, on their own…now almost all who could have are long since dead.

But, instead Obama said “We do not meddle in the internal affairs of other nations.”

Within that same year, he was trying to topple the Constitutional government of Honduras which was merely struggling to follow its own Constitution on the matter of Presidential terms and succession. Pretty heavy-handed meddling, too.

As for Syria…when Assad’s goons started murdering Syrians in droves, Obama could issued a similar statement…made a point of it…instead he dawdled…couldn’t make a decision…didn’t want to offend Iran. Didn’t want to “meddle.” But help destroy Libya…and then Egypt…wow..that was a bitchin’ good time.

Sure wish we could have vetted this guy before he got elected.

Too bad the MSM and all the pundits couldn’t do that…just tooo difficult, I imagine.

Putz.

coldwarrior on April 28, 2013 at 8:20 PM

pambi:Its not activated till 3:00AM:)

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM

It also contains a Snooze function…

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Send in an ambassador so they can get killed.

It’s about all Obama knows how to do, apparently.

profitsbeard on April 28, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Found this link over at Ace’s

NBC’s Chuck Todd: The Rise of Social Media? Obama Hates It

The anti-Bill of Rights, bat-faced imbecile is mad because he cannot control the message 10%

tom daschle concerned on April 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM

100%

tom daschle concerned on April 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM

“The Iraq WMD is looming over this, as it ought to be,” a senior congressional official said. “How can you be more confident in the assessment here? These are questions we are all asking.

So, is GDub vindicated here? Are these Iraqi sarin gas shells that were produced back in the 1980′s-1990′s and moved to Syria, as many of us thought that they were, when the Iraqi regime fell???

ted c on April 28, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Also, that whole Benghazi thing sorta blew covert action involving Turkey, Israel, a couple of Arab states and the US right out of the water…

If you are gonna do something covert…keep it covert…and think, think, think, long before you put anything in motion.

Guess Obama thought Assad would swoon as soon as Assad saw Obama make the tides recede and the lame walk or something…

But, arming AQ and other sundry jihadis?

Real smart move there, champ.

Community organizing is hard.

Putz.

coldwarrior on April 28, 2013 at 8:30 PM

So, is GDub vindicated here? Are these Iraqi sarin gas shells that were produced back in the 1980′s-1990′s and moved to Syria, as many of us thought that they were, when the Iraqi regime fell???

ted c on April 28, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Couldn’t be the same ones..
The head of the UN weapons inspector said Hussein was clean..

And they are never wrong…
O_o

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:33 PM

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM

It also contains a Snooze function…

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Electrongod:Lol,good one:)

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:37 PM

My money says that 0bama will support the most radical of the muslim factions and then give them billions, M1A2s, and F-16s.

jukin3 on April 28, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Couldn’t be the same ones..
The head of the UN weapons inspector said Hussein was clean..

And they are never wrong…
O_o

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Hanz Britz?

tom daschle concerned on April 28, 2013 at 8:40 PM

I’m curious about what kind of gas the govt. is using that affects about half the population with an inability to think rationally.

arnold ziffel on April 28, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Couldn’t be the same ones..
The head of the UN weapons inspector said Hussein was clean..

And they are never wrong…
O_o

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Clean as in “there ain’t be no WMDs here in Iraq! (they’re all in Syria!)”

ted c on April 28, 2013 at 8:41 PM

jukin3 on April 28, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Just like Egypt? And the Wahabi Saudis?

Well over half of the Lima Tank Plant’s M1A2 production in the last year or so has gone to Islamic countries…such as Egypt and the Saudis.

Why do they “need” these?

Why are we helping them get them?

coldwarrior on April 28, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I’m curious about what kind of gas the govt. is using that affects about half the population with an inability to think rationally.

arnold ziffel on April 28, 2013 at 8:41 PM

public school gas

ted c on April 28, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Hmmmm……

Analysis: No good military options for U.S. in Syria
WASHINGTON | Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:50pm EDT
*****************************************

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/27/us-usa-syria-military-options-idUSBRE93Q0C620130427

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Hanz Britz?

tom daschle concerned on April 28, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Yep..
that guy

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:43 PM

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM

MY bad !
Forgot !
;-)

pambi on April 28, 2013 at 8:44 PM

I’m curious about what kind of gas the govt. is using that affects about half the population with an inability to think rationally.

arnold ziffel on April 28, 2013 at 8:41 PM

What ever it is..
it must have a mixture of Liberalism..

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Explains all those trucks we saw via satellite. Huh? The only ones we intercepted had cash. American currency. Lots of it.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Barky Dog Eater is regretting the day he said those words, and now he’s scrambling like a Chihuahua in the White House kitchen.

Let’s face it, Wonder Man has a bottomless bag of excuses NOT to do anything; he could be standing next to Assad while Assad poured Zyklon-B pellets down the throat of a crying Syrian child and Bark would still claim that it isn’t enough evidence.

Bishop on April 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM

CRS Report for Congress
Prepared for Members and Committees of Congress
Armed Conflict in Syria:

U.S. and International Response
Jeremy M. Sharp
Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs
Christopher M. Blanchard
Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs
April 22, 2013
**************

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33487.pdf

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Just for HAL

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM

So, is GDub vindicated here? Are these Iraqi sarin gas shells that were produced back in the 1980′s-1990′s and moved to Syria, as many of us thought that they were, when the Iraqi regime fell???
ted c on April 28, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Just had to repeat that. Are the WMD chickens coming home to roost?

indypat on April 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Media idiots are trying hard to humanize this creep.

Just look at the title

Mother of bomb suspects found deeper spirituality

Plus, he died when his brother ran him over.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I don’t know if Syria’s WMD stockpile is from Iraq or not. I suspect at least some of it is.

I also suspect Barky and his peeps are having the same thought.

What to do? What to do?

Yum.

Bruno Strozek on April 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Media idiots are trying hard to humanize this creep.

Just look at the title

Mother of bomb suspects found deeper spirituality

Plus, he died when his brother ran him over.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2013 at 8:48 PM

At this rate..
They will raise a statue of her and her sons at the finish line in Boston..

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:50 PM

indypat on April 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM

By the time Assad decides to give up, he will have used up all that nice stuff Saddam sent him for safekeeping…no evidence…all gone. Obama just might be waiting for that. Otherwise the entire narrative of the Left for over a decade now will be rendered a lie.

Can’t have that.

No matter how many lives it costs.

Just an observation.

coldwarrior on April 28, 2013 at 8:51 PM

There’s a train that runs from Hims Syria straight to Kirkuk Iraq. And back.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 8:52 PM

What to do? What to do?

Yum.

Bruno Strozek on April 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Level the place..?
It’s the only way to be sure to never find the answer..

I joke but Obama is probably running this by his admirals..

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Bruno Strozek on April 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM

I’m thinking contingency plans are being drawn up, it just wouldn’t do to have Assad in the dock at the Hague answering embarrassing questions.

-Did you use WMD weapons, Mr. Assad.

“Yes, I admit I did.”

-Where did you get them?

“Saddam Hussein trucked them over right before the fall of Iraq to the Americans.”

Bishop on April 28, 2013 at 8:52 PM

coldwarrior on April 28, 2013 at 8:51 PM

I appreciate your incisive and unyielding cynicism.

Your point is spot on.

Bruno Strozek on April 28, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Until Europe drags Obama in.

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:08 PM

The same Europe that turned its back on the Bosnian Serb genocide? Yeh, I don’t see them getting involved anytime soon.

And neither should we.

Hill60 on April 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM

And neither should we.

Hill60 on April 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM

I agree.
But Obama injected himself..
As usual..
And the line was crossed..

The media hasn’t figured out yet that they are suppose to mute..

That is the only way that Obama can find an out..

Or another national tragedy on American soil to focus attention elsewhere..

The American Sheep are confused..

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Securing Syrian Weapons Stockpiles

Note: For detailed CRS analysis of chemical weapons stockpiles and related questions in Syria,
see CRS Report R42848,
Syria’s Chemical Weapons: Issues for Congress
, coordinated by Mary
Beth Nikitin.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33487.pdf
==============================================

CRS Report for Congress

Prepared for Members and Committees of Congress
Syria’s Chemical Weapons: Issues for
Congress

Mary Beth Nikitin, Coordinator
Specialist in Nonproliferation

Andrew Feickert
Specialist in Military Ground Forces
Paul K. Kerr
Analyst in Nonproliferation

December 5, 2012
****************

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R42848.pdf

President Obama and other world leaders have said that the use of chemical weapons against the
civilian population would be

met with consequences, which could possibly mean the use of
military force.

There is also concern that Syria could transfer its chemical weapons to Hezbollah
in Lebanon. Administration officials have stated that the United States has been working with
regional allies to detect the movement of chemical weapons, prepare interdiction scenarios, and
mitigate possible use against military or civilian populations. A priority is preventing the Asad
regime from obtaining precursors necessary for making chemical agents production from abroad.

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I’m curious about what kind of gas the govt. is using that affects about half the population with an inability to think rationally.

arnold ziffel on April 28, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Unicornfartium-57, in a highly concentrated form. It’s typically highly unstable unless mixed with equal parts Obamaphonium and Stuffreeic Dumbassid.

Midas on April 28, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I really am curious about where Syria got its WMDs, but I have a feeling that the ‘international community’ will ignore/destroy evidence, and we’ll never really know if it was from Iraq

El_Terrible on April 28, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Just south of where the Europhrates connects the two countries. Al Qaim. Hims is a hub city. Central. Road follows the tracks. Hims is where the trucks went. It’s also spelled Homs.

Your damned right on WMD. Look at a map.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Unicornfartium-57, in a highly concentrated form. It’s typically highly unstable unless mixed with equal parts Obamaphonium and Stuffreeic Dumbassid.

Midas on April 28, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Is that in the state that speaks Austrian?

Huge factory there I hear…

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 9:04 PM

B9

SparkPlug on April 28, 2013 at 9:04 PM

But has assad used pressure cooker WMDs? Now, those are the really dangerous sorts of WMDs.

Of course, we know that there were no pressure cookers in all of Iraq, since it was declared devoid of WMDs by the idiot left.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 28, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Given his opponents, if we must interfere, we should back Assad.

VorDaj on April 28, 2013 at 9:05 PM

**BOOTS on da Ground **
=======================

Syria’s Chemical Weapons: Issues for Congress
Congressional Research Service
******************************

Policy Issues
*************

In testimony before the Senate
Armed Services Committee on March 7, 2012, Secret
ary of Defense Panetta said,

“It’s 100 times
worse than what we dealt with in Libya.

And for
that reason, that’s why it’s raised even greater
concerns about our ability to address how we can secure those sites.”

The Pentagon has estimated
that it would take over 75,000 troops to neutralize the chemical weapons.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R42848.pdf

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Barky Dog Eater is regretting the day he said those words, and now he’s scrambling like a Chihuahua in the White House kitchen.

Let’s face it, Wonder Man has a bottomless bag of excuses NOT to do anything; he could be standing next to Assad while Assad poured Zyklon-B pellets down the throat of a crying Syrian child and Bark would still claim that it isn’t enough evidence.

Bishop on April 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM

*clink*

SparkPlug on April 28, 2013 at 9:05 PM

So, is GDub vindicated here? Are these Iraqi sarin gas shells that were produced back in the 1980′s-1990′s and moved to Syria, as many of us thought that they were, when the Iraqi regime fell???
ted c on April 28, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Just had to repeat that. Are the WMD chickens coming home to roost?

indypat on April 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Dubya has ALWAYS been right – it’s just that….

The Mainstream Media has ALWAYS Censored the TRUTH about WMD….

williamg on April 28, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Just south of where the Europhrates connects the two countries. Al Qaim. Hims is a hub city. Central. Road follows the tracks. Hims is where the trucks went. It’s also spelled Homs.

Your damned right on WMD. Look at a map.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 9:02 PM

I will have to look into that. thanks for the tip.

ted c on April 28, 2013 at 9:05 PM

And so ends another pants free weekend at Cozmos.

SparkPlug on April 28, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Is this the same nice assad guy that the Congressional dems broke the law to go have tea with and then declare him “a real reformer”? It’s got to be a different chinless assad …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 28, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Assad is clearly less a follower of Mohammed (the son of Satan by birth from a not so virgin pig), so all non-Muslims should root for him.

VorDaj on April 28, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Wait a tic:

I thought Israel had a plan,to AirStrike the snot out of the
WMD Sites!

Jus say’n!

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Ogabe thinks they speak, er, Iranian.

viking01 on April 28, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Your damned right on WMD. Look at a map.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Yes..
This it correct..
But the low info voter…
Well
They see no farther then Washington D.C.
The world ends there.

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Plus, he died when his brother ran him over.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2013 at 8:48 PM

His brother wasn’t properly attired until he got run over by those steel belted radials.

SparkPlug on April 28, 2013 at 9:10 PM

I will have to look into that. thanks for the tip.

ted c on April 28, 2013 at 9:05 PM

ted c:Zee Map:)

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http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33487.pdf

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 9:14 PM

His brother wasn’t properly attired until he got run over by those steel belted radials.

SparkPlug on April 28, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Hopefully those tires were Eagles.

viking01 on April 28, 2013 at 9:14 PM

McCain said that putting U.S. troops in Syria is the “worst thing America could do right now,” because the Syrian people are bitter and angry at the United States.

“I think that the American people are weary. They don’t want boots on the ground. I don’t want boots on the ground,” McCain said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Somebody call the cops. Obviously someone is holding John McCain at gun point and making him say the opposite of what he wants.

VorDaj on April 28, 2013 at 9:17 PM

McCain said that putting U.S. troops in Syria is the “worst thing America could do right now,” because the Syrian people are bitter and angry at the United States.

“I think that the American people are weary. They don’t want boots on the ground. I don’t want boots on the ground,” McCain said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Someone must have kidnapped McCain’s daughter and is holding her without giving her any twinkies to get McCain to say this.

VorDaj on April 28, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Obama pondering putting American boots on the ground?

Put that dog-eating Muslim in a salad suit and let him be the first solider to put his foot on Syrian soil.

Bradley Manning looks like an amalgam of Black Jack Pershing, George Patton and Chesty Puller compared to this Mom Jeans Wearing Metrosexual POS.

*spit*

turfmann on April 28, 2013 at 9:23 PM

One thing that Obama has made very clear in his approach to war and peace: He abhors the prospect of uncontrolled escalation. (In this sense, he bears similarities to John F. Kennedy.)

This is a lie. Kennedy inherited 600 advisers in Vietnam from Eisenhower and escalated that to 16,000 troops. Obama inherited 43,000 tropes in Afcrapistan from Bush and escalated that to 100,000.

VorDaj on April 28, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Someone must have kidnapped McCain’s daughter and is holding her without giving her any twinkies to get McCain to say this.

VorDaj on April 28, 2013 at 9:20 PM

The Megster denied Twinkies? Now that is cruel… and unusual.

viking01 on April 28, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Barack is color-blind, so when he mentioned “red line” he really meant “blue line”.

SouthernGent on April 28, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Appears Israel took care of the problem.

dragondrop on April 28, 2013 at 9:27 PM

If Obama wasnt such a spineless wimp, this wouldnt have happened. But these hostile regimes know they can do whatever they want, as long as Obama is in charge. Its Jimmy Carter all over again.

Jack_Burton on April 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Storming Norman hooked North for more than one reason. One reason was to shut down that road. He did so immediately. 2nd round, we didn’t. Trucks rolled. Look it up. We only intercepted cash. Last days of saddam. Remember?

Bet your ass he was shipping out more than booty.

Kirkuk—->Homs.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Oh Boy:

Fighting erupts in Damascus near a complex linked to Syria’s chemical weapons program – @Reuters

4 hours ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/syria-chemical-weapon-fears
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Fighting reported near suspected chemical arms site in Syria
Monday, 29 April 2013

Reuters -

Fighting erupted in Damascus on Sunday near a complex linked to Syria’s chemical weapons program, on the third day of an offensive by President Basharal-Assad’s forces aimed at driving rebels from main sectors of the capital, activists said.(More…)
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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/04/29/Fighting-reported-near-suspected-chemical-arms-site-in-Syria.html

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM

U.S. credibility is on the line

It has been since 08.

Limerick on April 28, 2013 at 9:34 PM

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM

No red line was crossed!!!

It’s just work place violence or something!!!

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM

U.S. credibility is on the line

It has been since 08.

Limerick on April 28, 2013 at 9:34 PM

It was even downgraded not too long ago..

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 9:36 PM

You drone nerve gas, you disperse it. What a quandry for dogeater.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 9:37 PM

“Obama probably also knows that the senators urging him to take military action will shirk responsibility, and blame him for all the troubles, if Syria collapses or goes up in flames in the aftermath.”

Now that’s just crazy talk…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on April 28, 2013 at 9:47 PM

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM

No red line was crossed!!!

It’s just work place violence or something!!!

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Electrongod:Could be (sarc),but this is a concern????:)
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It is feared that Syria’s large arsenal of chemical weapons, approximately 1,000 tons, stored in 50 towns and cities, could fall into the hands of Al Qaeda.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315562/WMD-fiasco-Tony-Blair-hit-Wests-fight-Assad-says-David-Cameron.html

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I really am curious about where Syria got its WMDs, but I have a feeling that the ‘international community’ will ignore/destroy evidence, and we’ll never really know if it was from Iraq

El_Terrible

Syria has been manufacturing their own chemical weapons for decades, so they didn’t have to get them from anyone. That’s not to say Iraq didn’t ship theirs to Syria, just making the point that Syria didn’t need Iraq’s chemical weapons because they have their own.

xblade on April 28, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Boots on the ground.

I never fully wrapped my head around the concept of jabbing myself in the heart with atropine, in 60 seconds or less.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Bradley Manning looks like an amalgam of Black Jack Pershing, George Patton and Chesty Puller compared to this Mom Jeans Wearing Metrosexual POS. turfmann on April 28, 2013 at 9:23 PM

LOL. Tell us how you really feel (totally agree!)

indypat on April 28, 2013 at 9:54 PM

It is feared that Syria’s large arsenal of chemical weapons, approximately 1,000 tons, stored in 50 towns and cities, could fall into the hands of Al Qaeda.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315562/WMD-fiasco-Tony-Blair-hit-Wests-fight-Assad-says-David-Cameron.html

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I know..
But the U.S. has a rat-eared coward as Commander in Chief..

It will be left for the next President to handle..
And then the media will come down on him or her..
Unless her is Shrillary..

Then it will be again..
Work place violence.

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 9:55 PM

canopfor, thank you for that document.

ted c on April 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM

One thing that Obama has made very clear in his approach to war and peace: He abhors the prospect of uncontrolled escalation. (In this sense, he bears similarities to John F. Kennedy.)

This is a lie. Kennedy inherited 600 advisers in Vietnam from Eisenhower and escalated that to 16,000 troops. Obama inherited 43,000 tropes in Afcrapistan from Bush and escalated that to 100,000.

VorDaj on April 28, 2013 at 9:26 PM

BINGO, BAY-BEE!!!

williamg on April 28, 2013 at 10:02 PM

canopfor, thank you for that document.

ted c on April 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM

ted c:Anytime Ted:)

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Quotes of the day

…is this last nights?

KOOLAID2 on April 28, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Sorry I’m late. I was teaching canopfor how to post linkies.

Hehe.

SparkPlug on April 28, 2013 at 10:06 PM

I vote no.

Axe on April 28, 2013 at 10:07 PM

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I know..
But the U.S. has a rat-eared coward as Commander in Chief..

It will be left for the next President to handle..
And then the media will come down on him or her..
Unless her is Shrillary..

Then it will be again..
Work place violence.

Electrongod on April 28, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Electrongod:

Agreed,Hopey is kicking the can,down the road,
like everything else,and the Budget,as/is an example!:)

canopfor on April 28, 2013 at 10:07 PM

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