About that one-year window to apply for provisional legal status…

posted at 5:30 pm on April 27, 2013 by Guy Benson

Last week, I reported the following:

One of the lingering questions I’ve harbored about the forthcoming “Gang of Eight” immigration bargain (the Tuesday roll-out of which was appropriately postponed due to the events in Boston) is how long the “open enrollment” period for amnesty would be. Surely the bill includes a finite time box, rather than unleashing an ongoing, open-ended new policy, right? Right. “There’s a cut-off after one year,” a GOP source familiar with the plan tells me. The federal government would begin accepting applications for provisional legal status “after the first two security triggers are met, and [the government] begins the application process.”

But Byron York’s review of the legislative language reveals that the 365-day “open enrollment” period isn’t quite as airtight as it may seem:

The bill’s supporters point out that the Gang of Eight would limit the period of time in which illegal immigrants can apply for a blue card.  That’s true; the bill specifies that applications have to be filed in the year after the last of the rules enforcing the new immigration law have gone into effect.  But the bill also gives the Secretary of Homeland Security the discretion to extend that period by another year and a half if she or he determines that “additional time is required” for the applications.  The extension can also be granted for any other “good cause.”

Given the nation’s ongoing Obamacare “train wreck” experience and Napolitano’s political leanings, does a single person doubt that she’d exercise her prerogative and conclude that “additional time is required” to process applications, if given the chance?  Hell, she might even be right on the merits.  Remember, this bill would require the federal government to revamp its entry/exit program (even though this has been mandated and ignored for years), administer and enforce E-Verify from coast-to-coast, and consider millions upon millions of applications for legal residency from illegal immigrants.  That last bit alone would require untold manpower and resources.  Per York’s reporting, numerous loopholes exist in the law, including one that would allow illegal immigrants who’ve worked extensively in the agricultural industry to be placed on a faster track to citizenship.  Also, the “DREAM kids” exception has no age cap, so anyone who was (or who claims to have been) brought here as a child…ever…would be eligible for that expedited path.  Toss in the criminal background screening process, plus the effort it would take to verify adherence to the bill’s cut-off date, and you’re staring at a dizzying “reform” maze that will be extraordinarily difficult to administer properly.  Raise your hand if you believe all of this can be accomplished within one year.  Anyone?  Another question, independent of time frame considerations: Who is going to do all of this stuff?   The task of determining who qualifies for what exemption/status barely sounds workable in and of itself.  As for the December 31, 2011 cut-off, I asked Rubio about how that provision would be enforced:

BENSON: Alright Senator, last question. I know you’ve got to run. These are just sort of technical questions. Part of it is, there’s a cut-off. People who’ve gotten into the country illegally after December 31, 2011 are not eligible for this provisional status. And then they also have to pay some back taxes — the people who are eligible. How does the government determine when someone got here, and what taxes they owe, if they’ve been doing it in the shadows and illegally?

RUBIO: Okay, first of all, the burden to prove they’ve been here is on them. So if they can’t prove it, they can’t stay, and it’s not our fault. Second, obviously there are multiple factors that you use — bank statements, utilities, school records, medical records — these folks that are here illegally do leave a paper trail, even though we don’t do anything about it. So again, the burden is on them to prove. And I would just say, the less documentation they have, the less likely they’re telling the truth about it, and I think that’s important. And let me just tell you why it’s important to have a cut-off date in the past. That’s because otherwise, everyone will claim — I mean, people will rush the border and try to beat the deadlines, so I think that’s an important provision in the bill, and again if there’s a way to improve it, we should look at that. But it’s important that we do have a date in the past that’s a cut-off.

We had limited time, so I was unable to follow-up, but Rubio’s response raises more questions:  How much documentation is sufficient to qualify as “proof”?  One bank statement or utility bill?  Two?  Will there be a uniform standard, or will officials make judgments on an ad hoc basis?  Also, wouldn’t this system invite widespread fraud?  One can easily picture a black market for relatively easily-forged documents cropping up overnight.  And might this whole process afford actual dangerous criminals (a small fraction of illegal immigrants) the irresistible opportunity to start fresh with a brand new, “clean” identity?  Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem.  But any genuine solution has to actually, you know, work in the real world.  Otherwise, we’ll extend an amnesty to millions, then circle back to the exact same dilemma in a decade or two.  During our chat, Rubio frequently underscored his openness to amendments and improvements to the bill, which is laudable.  From where I sit, this thing cries out for quite a few Changes We Can Believe In.


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A big enough loophole to drive a Rubio Amnesty tank trough it.

VorDaj on April 27, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Another bill of smoke and mirrors? Knock me over with a feather.

Limerick on April 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem.

Rubio is sticking American’s neck out and he wants to take an axe to it.

VorDaj on April 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM

More cut outs than a 20′ strip of paper dolls .

Lucano on April 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem.

Then you are applauding the destruction of America. And to say the problem is very complex is a Joesph Goebbels level Big Lie.

VorDaj on April 27, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem.

Who the hell wrote this drivel?

VorDaj on April 27, 2013 at 5:42 PM

How can you tell Rubio’s lying? His lips are moving. I think we’re far enough along in this farce to conclude he’s full of doodoo. He may be playing us for fools but that doesn’t mean we have to be fools.

jnelchef on April 27, 2013 at 5:42 PM

If the law won’t fix on a 8×10 sheet with a 12pt font, double spaced, then tear it up.

Limerick on April 27, 2013 at 5:43 PM

But any genuine solution has to actually, you know, work in the real world. Otherwise, we’ll extend an amnesty to millions, then circle back to the exact same dilemma in a decade or two.

Sounds more like a feature (to the left) than a problem.

I keep asking why the USA is supposed to be the only country in the world with wide-open borders. EVERY other country in the world controls – more or less – their borders and who gets to come in…but we are supposed to just be open to all comers; and to hell with the law.

Control the borders first. Get rid of the criminals. THEN, maybe we’ll talk about citizenship (over a lo-o-o-ng term; no ‘fast-track’) for the productive ones.

Solaratov on April 27, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Today we must all be aware that political expediency and latino ethnicity takes precedence over rule of law and constitutional procedure. However you say – WTF ! – what does this mean… in relation to the tabulation whereby we must once again realize that the great reconquesta story is now being rehearsed before our very eyes, in the rise of Marco Rubio… indicating that only a two-faced … I mean a bi-faced … I mean a bi-polar … I mean a bi-lingual hombre can receive…the award for reconquesta, unlike Kenyan Hussein Obama whose reconquesta plans don’t drink water.

Amigos – comrades – muchachos – friends, we are gathered here as an edifice of the great glory that is now vanishing and the intuitive feeling, based on the assumption as Mencken once said, “He who underestimates the American public will never go broke.” This is merely a small indication to behold and to perceive that which has gone way into the behind and to that which might project .. I mean go forward … out of the mouth … i mean .. the future…we’ve got to rip up the constitution so we can rip down those outdated borders! This is the main deterrent upon which we have gathered our strength and all the others who say, “What the hell did that get?” – We don’t know.

And as Miller once said in one of his great novels- what did he … that language is only necessary when bilingual communication is endangered. And you sit there bewildered, and Pinter who went further said “It is not the lack of communication, but fear of communication.” That’s what the damn thing is that we fear – communication – especially all the Spanish communication that’s even on a box of Wheaties now. Damn it! But we have no paranoia, and through all this Senator McCain has attained, and has created for himself serenity, and it is only his insanity that has kept him alive in his senility.

Senors y Senoritas, Ladies and Gentlemen. The time will come when a first world America will outlive its usefulness. Marx, either Groucho or Karl, I can’t remember which, maybe it was both or maybe it was Harpo, once said that America is the opiate of the people. I say that when America outlives its usefulness and becomes a majority latino nation, then opium…will be the opiate…Ahh that’s not a bad idea… we are going to need that badly especially when the booze runs out …

And the completely unbiased and bi-partisan panel, has determined to give the grand prize to Marco Rubio for his EARNESTY’S RAINBOW. Now EARNESTY’S RAINBOW is a token of this man’s genius…he told me so himself and repeatedly …that he could change perceptions by calling his plan for knocking down those pesky borders EARNESTY …in other words, he could have been more specific, but rather than allude to an articulation of the mundane, he has come to the conclusion that brevity is the importance of our nation’s shallow first world existence. God damn!

Marco Rubio’s . EARNESTY’S RAINBOW – is a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 450 of them … million live in the United States and Mexico which is a very, very small amount compared to those who will be miserable and dying elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where citizenship is a commodity and a politician can become a TV personality, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…

But I do want to thank la Raza…I mean the RNC … I mean the DNC and it’s subsidiary the RNC, the organization for the $1,000 in affirmative action latino scholarships they’ve given out…tonight they took in over $4,000,000, but they do have expenses for their consultants you know, and I think that I have another appointment. I would like to stay here, but for the sake of brevity I, I must leave. I do want to thank you, and I want to thank Marco Rubio – acting el Presidenta of la Raza Mexiamerica and also Mr. Obama – acting Pharaoh and Drone Commander of the World – and also I want to thank Professor Irwin Corey and thank you. …

RasThavas on April 27, 2013 at 5:46 PM

She always looks creepy.

Schadenfreude on April 27, 2013 at 5:46 PM

During our chat, Rubio frequently underscored his openness to amendments and improvements to the bill, which is laudable.

Sounds like he played you like a fiddle and a drum. Such naivety may be charming in a young child but not in an adult.

VorDaj on April 27, 2013 at 5:53 PM

During our chat, Rubio frequently underscored his openness to amendments and improvements to the bill, which is laudable.

Did you also buy a million dollar beach house in Kansas from laudable Rubio?

VorDaj on April 27, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem.

Well, maybe you should stop applauding, and simply suggest that they enforce the existing laws for a start, rather than trying to solve the problem by making so many other problems we have exponentially worse.

Midas on April 27, 2013 at 5:55 PM

She always looks creepy.

Schadenfreude on April 27, 2013 at 5:46 PM

She may look creepy but not half as creepy as Guy Benson sounds with all his Rubio Love.

VorDaj on April 27, 2013 at 5:56 PM

The more I hear about this bill the better it sounds. Something has to be done to get these people out of the shadows and this sounds like just the ticket.

arnold ziffel on April 27, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem.

What risk is he exposing himself to? Appealing to liberal, media favored policy positions is not risky. Coming at problems from a conservative angle is. He’s taking the easy, popular route to electoral success. Based on the past two Republican presidential candidates, it’s clear that moderating conservative candidates find success on the national, media approved stage.

“Sticking his neck out” implies that the liberal media, democrat controlled senate, and low information American voter have less combined power and influence than the conservatives to which he’s exposing himself. Based on recent history that doesn’t seem remotely true. This is setting aside the issue that your point seems to assume that the proposed ideas actually solve anything, vs create many more problems. So really, what credit does he deserve exactly?

Braveheart on April 27, 2013 at 6:02 PM

RUBIO: Okay, first of all, the burden to prove they’ve been here is on them. So if they can’t prove it, they can’t stay, and it’s not our fault.

Well that’s a relief … It’s not like illegals ever forge documents or anything. /

Lost in Jersey on April 27, 2013 at 6:03 PM

I officially dub this bill The Comprehensively Whimsical and Capricious Immigration Loophole Act.

Dusty on April 27, 2013 at 6:06 PM

We had limited time, so I was unable to follow-up, but Rubio’s response raises more questions: How much documentation is sufficient to qualify as “proof”? One bank statement or utility bill? Two? Will there be a uniform standard, or will officials make judgments on an ad hoc basis? Also, wouldn’t this system invite widespread fraud? One can easily picture a black market for relatively easily-forged documents cropping up overnight.

OK, just to let everyone know, these issues I quoted are in no way unique to amnesty. These are across the board issues for all kinds of immigration applications, from asylum and TPS, to the employment and family petitions, to the various business and non-business nonimmigrant benefits. If the American people only knew…

NorthernCross on April 27, 2013 at 6:08 PM

rubio still sux!

Pragmatic on April 27, 2013 at 6:17 PM

I don’t really think it takes 844 pages for Congress to cede its responsibility to Janet Incompetano. Seems a bit of overkill to me.

Murf76 on April 27, 2013 at 6:21 PM

This has little to do with illegals. Very few of them will sign up because it means giving up their anonymity in exchange for a promise by the Administration of Lies & Broken Promises.

No, this is about making criminals out of the tea partiers and the Gone Galt people. After a certain period of time, the door gets closed and EVERYBODY outside the door is therefore a tax criminal.

Tax criminals and drug criminals are the only people who can have their wealth confiscated by operation of law. If people who dropped out to live in the underground economy are caught now, all they face are taxes and penalties. But if they are tax criminals, everything with their fingerprints on it is gone.

The GOP wants to kill the tea party and its sympathizers, and the donkey party is too happy to help.

platypus on April 27, 2013 at 6:21 PM

I officially dub this bill The Comprehensively Whimsical and Capricious Immigration Loophole Act.

Dusty on April 27, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Well then I officially object to your naming of this bill.

It is many things, and at 844 pages we are only beginning to find out what, but it absolutely has nothing to do with immigration. This is an amnesty bill for the illegals not an immigration bill and it should reflect that fact.

A better name would be something along the lines of “Making an honest woman out of Mi Abuela Act.”

Happy Nomad on April 27, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem

Well, GUY, if you are applauding Rubio’s AMNESTY push, then your are as big a TRAITOR and JACKWAGON as he is. The Rubio/GANGsters ‘INSTANT AMNESTY’ bill must be killed – Rubio must be stopped!

Pork-Chop on April 27, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem.

It’s time for conservatives to stop trying to protect Marco Rubio. Either the guy is just another identity politician whose rhetoric doesn’t match his policy… or he’s a well-named RUBE. Either way, what’s the point in defending him? He’s of no use to us if he’s acting like Chuck Schumer’s long lost twin.

Murf76 on April 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM

During our chat, Rubio frequently underscored his openness to amendments and improvements to the bill, which is laudable.

Obama said the same thing while the Obamacare debate was raging. He even had that phony healthcare summit. Rubio had his meeting with Chris Crane. The bottom line is Obama, like Rubio, had no intention of changing anything in the bill. Amendments don’t count because democrats won’t vote for anything that tightens up the law. It needs to be in the original bill.

Wigglesworth on April 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM

How much documentation is sufficient to qualify as “proof”?

It doesn’t matter, because no one will be checking it in the first place.

The more I hear about this bill the better it sounds. Something has to be done to get these people out of the shadows and this sounds like just the ticket.

arnold ziffel

You forgot the sarc tag…at least I hope you did.

xblade on April 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM

This has little to do with illegals. Very few of them will sign up because it means giving up their anonymity in exchange for a promise by the Administration of Lies & Broken Promises.

platypus on April 27, 2013 at 6:21 PM

I must have missed the sarc tag because this thought is just nuts. We had one of the illegals on Capital Hill in front of a Congressional hearing demanding that we not call illegal aliens (an actual status) illegals because it dehumanizes them. Yes, the illegals have become that brazen.

California is even considering having them pull jury duty. Which essentially means the next time an illegal decides to get drunk and kill three nuns, in California at least, their peers will include other illegals. In other words California wants to outsource its justice system. Lotsa luck with that when a real citizen sues because of that whole jury of one’s peers thing.

Happy Nomad on April 27, 2013 at 6:31 PM

2014

BallisticBob on April 27, 2013 at 6:32 PM

The Gang of Eight’s legislation has enough holes in it to drive a truck full of illegals through.

Let’s just send The Eight to Mexico. Faster, cheaper and easier.

GarandFan on April 27, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem

I did too until I found out just how much he was lying his ass off about the details. Extended open season for illegals, millions getting fast tracked immediately upon passage (not the decades Rubio claims in his talk show blitzes). Face it, Rubio has no integrity and has proven himself just a younger McCain.

Happy Nomad on April 27, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Janet’s running a close second behind Obama as to whose picture I am most repulsed by every time I see it and which causes me to weep for my country.

Cleombrotus on April 27, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Let’s just send The Eight to Mexico. Faster, cheaper and easier.

GarandFan on April 27, 2013 at 6:34 PM

And far more satisfying.

Happy Nomad on April 27, 2013 at 6:35 PM

All “Comprehensive” bills should be outlawed.

Curtiss on April 27, 2013 at 6:45 PM

But any genuine solution has to actually, you know, work

And advocates for the bill should really know what’s in it.

The immigration bill guts E-Verify for years but this claim is vehemently disputed by the bills’ advocates, including staffers working for Sen. Marco Rubio.

However, Rubio staffers were unable to show The DC any text in the legislation that gives the current E-Verify system legal backing until the new system is mandated in several years.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/27/immigration-bill-guts-e-verify-for-years/#ixzz2Rhr0a66b

lynncgb on April 27, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem.

What risk is he exposing himself to? Appealing to liberal, media favored policy positions is not risky. Coming at problems from a conservative angle is. He’s taking the easy, popular route to electoral success. Based on the past two Republican presidential candidates, it’s clear that moderating conservative candidates find success on the national, media approved stage.

Braveheart on April 27, 2013 at 6:02 PM

I disagree. Rubio has taken the risk of alienating millions of conservatives. A few months ago, I liked Rubio, but thanks to his support of the Democratic immigration reform, I doubt that I will ever support him in any future election for any office. He’s also taking a position which will tend to increase the number of Democratic voters, which would make it difficult for him to eventually make it to the White House, or even retain his Senate seat.

So, yes, Rubio is sticking his neck out. He’s sticking his neck out for something I oppose and which has the potential to destroy the Republican Party, so I don’t applaud him for doing so, but I have to admit that he’s taking a risk.

J.S.K. on April 27, 2013 at 6:52 PM

you’re staring at a dizzying “reform” maze that will be extraordinarily difficult to administer properly.

But, it would be soooooo much harder to find and deport these folks, right? It would take double or triple, heck maybe even a 300% increase in manpower and resources to actually just kick them all out of the country, I’m sure! Wow, what was I thinking, advocating applying the immigration laws? That would never have worked!

GWB on April 27, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Extended open season for illegals,

Happy Nomad on April 27, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Cool! Oh, wait… dangit! You said it’s open season for illegals……..

Face it, Rubio has no integrity and has proven himself just a younger McCain.

Happy Nomad on April 27, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Ah, but with an important difference: he’s a minority McCain!

GWB on April 27, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem.Look, I continue to applaud guys like Rubio for sticking their necks out and trying to tackle a very complex problem.

…just puke!

KOOLAID2 on April 27, 2013 at 6:59 PM

AMNESTY……America’s Death Panel !!’n

Dr. Napolitano will be administering the poison to the patient.

PappyD61 on April 27, 2013 at 6:59 PM

I made a wisecrack a few months back about getting a degree in government.

Well, here you go.

tom daschle concerned on April 27, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Epic fail

cmsinaz on April 27, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I agree that this bill does not do enough to provide border security and gives too much power to Homeland Security..This bill needs to be reworked..:)

PS..Nice post Guy Benson..:)

Dire Straits on April 27, 2013 at 7:16 PM

cmsinaz on April 27, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Agreed..Due to it’s security measures..It is a submarine with a screen door..:)

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on April 27, 2013 at 7:17 PM

My understanding is that there will have to be security measures done first…so chances are the present DHS Secretary will not even be the person making any of these decisions anwyay. This will be a long process.

The thing is this bill offers E-Verify, it limits student visas, it requires back ground checks…it makes it plain that no one who wants this provisional status can be taking any kind of assistance from the government and they have to have a job. There will be an additional 5.5 billion for the border. There will be a way to track visas…and that is important because 40% of the illegals in the US come in legally on a visa and just do not leave.

You can nit pick this all you want, but hardliners do not have any kind of alternative other than the status quo and they claim they hate that too. Just like last time, they raise hell about all this, but they do not actually come up with solutions. Other than alienating an entire demographic I fail to see where a lot of this paranoia has accomplished anything.

A strong majority of Americans support this kind of policy…but then again, a lot of people on here do not seem to give a rat’s ass what a majority of the American people want.

Terrye on April 27, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Many unlawfully present parents of “DREAMers” may decide they would be better off never applying for Registered Provisional Immigrant status. Since DREAM Act eligible persons would get their citizenship within 5 years, the Senate legislation provides an incentive for the illegal parents of “DREAMers” to remain out of RPI status and live illegally in the country for 5 years until their “DREAMer” children get U.S. citizenship… at which time the parents would become eligible for a green card as the immediate relative of a U.S. citizen.
Why wait ten years to apply for a green card when you may only have to wait for five?

lynncgb on April 27, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Terrye on April 27, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Just another thought to add..It would be a nightmare to enforce at first..Americans will not be happy to “show their papers”..:)

Dire Straits on April 27, 2013 at 7:37 PM

It looks like Guy Benson has been on Ed’s radio show once or twice too often. I wonder if more people listen to the show than comment on it here at HA?

bw222 on April 27, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Did you also buy a million dollar beach house in Kansas from laudable Rubio?

VorDaj on April 27, 2013 at 5:55 PM

No. Terrye outbid Guy for for the beach house.

bw222 on April 27, 2013 at 8:01 PM

No. Terrye outbid Guy for for the beach house.

bw222 on April 27, 2013 at 8:01 PM

So he bid a million and a half and she bid two million.

VorDaj on April 27, 2013 at 8:12 PM

If the laws were enforced all of the provisions, requirements and triggers might mean something. But then again if the laws were enforced we wouldn’t be watching this farce.

The only upsides to passage are it will mean the relegation of the GOP to permanent minority status. Immediately. Their base will tell them to ask La Raza for votes and money.

Second it will put the black democrat constituency in the position of playing the race card on Latinos instead of whitey. That will be fun to watch.

bluesdoc70 on April 27, 2013 at 8:14 PM

The thing is this bill offers E-Verify …

I don’t want a bill that offers E-Verify. I want a bill that requires E-Verify. And I really don’t want a bill that eliminates E-Verify for four years until its replacement can be implemented.

A strong majority of Americans support this kind of policy…but then again, a lot of people on here do not seem to give a rat’s ass what a majority of the American people want.

Terrye on April 27, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Although I would guess that a majority of Americans do support some kind of legal status for many illegal aliens who are here already, I understand that a majority also wants to enforce the border against future illegal aliens coming in. What we are likely to get with this bill is definite legalization of illegal aliens, and only hazy promises of future enforcement, plus lots of waivers of the supposedly strict requirements for legalization.

J.S.K. on April 27, 2013 at 8:37 PM

a lot of people on here do not seem to give a rat’s ass what a majority of the American people want.

Terrye on April 27, 2013 at 7:27 PM

A lot of people on here remember the “promises” they were given the last time amnesty was ‘what the American people wanted’.

I’d say about 100% of them know they were lied to then, and they’re being lied to now.

Fool me once, you can’t get fooled again.

BobMbx on April 27, 2013 at 8:45 PM

My understanding is that there will have to be security measures done first…so chances are the present DHS Secretary will not even be the person making any of these decisions anwyay. This will be a long process.

The thing is this bill offers E-Verify, it limits student visas, it requires back ground checks…it makes it plain that no one who wants this provisional status can be taking any kind of assistance from the government and they have to have a job. There will be an additional 5.5 billion for the border. There will be a way to track visas…and that is important because 40% of the illegals in the US come in legally on a visa and just do not leave.

You can nit pick this all you want, but hardliners do not have any kind of alternative other than the status quo and they claim they hate that too. Just like last time, they raise hell about all this, but they do not actually come up with solutions. Other than alienating an entire demographic I fail to see where a lot of this paranoia has accomplished anything.

A strong majority of Americans support this kind of policy…but then again, a lot of people on here do not seem to give a rat’s ass what a majority of the American people want.

Terrye on April 27, 2013 at 7:27 PM

1986. If we repeat history, we are doomed to repeat it.
Obama got elected and then re-elected. Was that great for the American people?
Following the rule of law isn’t hard liner.
Why don’t you slither back into McCain’s wrinkled butt and shut up.
You’ve gone full stupid. You never go full stupid.

RovesChins on April 27, 2013 at 8:58 PM

A strong majority of Americans support this kind of policy…but then again, a lot of people on here do not seem to give a rat’s ass what a majority of the American people want.

Terrye on April 27, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Did the government give a rat’s ass what the majority wanted on illegal immigration in the first place? How about Obamacare?

arnold ziffel on April 27, 2013 at 9:05 PM

I disagree. Rubio has taken the risk of alienating millions of conservatives. A few months ago, I liked Rubio, but thanks to his support of the Democratic immigration reform, I doubt that I will ever support him in any future election for any office. He’s also taking a position which will tend to increase the number of Democratic voters, which would make it difficult for him to eventually make it to the White House, or even retain his Senate seat.

So, yes, Rubio is sticking his neck out. He’s sticking his neck out for something I oppose and which has the potential to destroy the Republican Party, so I don’t applaud him for doing so, but I have to admit that he’s taking a risk.

J.S.K. on April 27, 2013 at 6:52 PM

What if he changes over to the democratic party in six months?

slickwillie2001 on April 27, 2013 at 9:10 PM

World wide socialism! Wooohooo. And you silly wingnuts thought it was all going to go through the UN. Aw heck no. We are just going to make EVERYONE in the world a US citizens. And then we will all be Global Citizens of TEH Wuuurld! Then it is Obamacare and Obamaphones for everybody! All paid for by our unicorn fart economy! Hurray.

bitsy on April 27, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Remember, this bill would require the federal government to … administer and enforce E-Verify from coast-to-coast,

WRONG!!!

Page 503 — E-Verify is REPEALED!!!

And most state laws trying to enforce E-Verify are REPEALED!!

It is replaced by a “plan” to implement a replacement system in the future.

And Janet Napolitano and Dick Durbin and a few other advocates for amnesty BRAGGED during the Senate hearing about how good E-Verify was these days to help sell the bill, while they knew their bill REPEALED E-Verify!!!

TREASON. Simply TREASON.

fred5678 on April 27, 2013 at 9:13 PM

How much documentation is sufficient to qualify as “proof”? One bank statement or utility bill? Two? Will there be a uniform standard, or will officials make judgments on an ad hoc basis? Also, wouldn’t this system invite widespread fraud? One can easily picture a black market for relatively easily-forged documents cropping up overnight.

After the 1986 amnesty bill passed, the government admitted that the program was rife with fraud. It also estimated that 1/3 of the approved amnesty applications (and there were over 3 million) were based on phony documents. The government said it was powerless to do anything about the widespread fraud.

That was in the 1980′s, before computers and software like PhotoShop were ubiquitous. It’ll be much easier (and cheaper) for illegals to forge phony documents this time. Also, the government will be processing many millions more amnesty applications this time.

This amnesty will be like Pigford, on steroids.

AZCoyote on April 27, 2013 at 9:31 PM

We are just going to make EVERYONE in the world a US citizens.

bitsy on April 27, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Of course we are. We have to make all illegal aliens U.S. citizens, otherwise we’re violating their civil rights, as our genius Attorney General Eric Holder explained the other day.

We must reward law-breaking foreigners in our country with the privilege of U.S. citizenship. Otherwise, these people might start obeying our laws, and we certainly don’t want to encourage that!

AZCoyote on April 27, 2013 at 9:35 PM

The thing is this bill offers E-Verify,

No, it REPEALS E-Verify. Please read page 503.

The bill’s advocates are LYING.

You can nit pick this all you want, but hardliners do not have any kind of alternative other than the status quo and they claim they hate that too.

Nit picking? I call it reading the damn bill.

No alternative? Attrition through enforcement has been mentioned all the time on these posts – only those who offer that tired false dichotomy (like Newt) of, “We can’t deport grandma, THEREFORE we have to make her a citizen”, are blind and deaf when it is mentioned over and over again.

A strong majority of Americans support this kind of policy…but then again, a lot of people on here do not seem to give a rat’s ass what a majority of the American people want.

READ the damn poll — the ONLY one that offers not only all three choices, but referenced two specific bills of that year. And if you don’t like that poll, show me a more recent poll that offers ALL THREE choices, not just 3 flavors of amnesty verus mass deportation.

And if you don’t understand how well attrition works, watch and listen to this illegal alien explain it to you.

Terrye on April 27, 2013 at 7:27 PM

fred5678 on April 27, 2013 at 9:38 PM

It’s nice to see Georgia protecting its citizens and legal immigrants from thievery.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/deal-signs-bill-expanding-immigration-crackdown/nXXYg/

Wigglesworth on April 27, 2013 at 9:54 PM

I officially dub this bill The Comprehensively Whimsical and Capricious Immigration Loophole Act.

Dusty on April 27, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Nope, it’s the “We Give Up Act of 2013″.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on April 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM

fred5678 on April 27, 2013 at 9:38 PM

She’s really gullible, isn’t she?

bw222 on April 27, 2013 at 10:21 PM

I have a basic question about this amnesty process. When someone signs up to get their legal status what identification is required and what kind of verification and background checking is done? How do we know it’s really Jose or Abdul, or Gunter who’s signing up and not mad max who has a criminal record and came to the US one step ahead of the police?

Nomas on April 27, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Regarding the risk Rubio is taking by supporting the amnesty bill:

What if he changes over to the democratic party in six months?

slickwillie2001 on April 27, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Well, he’d be writing off his chance at a 2016 presidential nomination — Hillary is assured of that if she runs. Even with this amnesty bill, Rubio still has some chance at the Republican nomination in 2016.

J.S.K. on April 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Hey Mr. Benson – here’s an idea. Why not email these questions to Rubio’s office and ask them to answer them electronically. That way a staff puke can do the research, form the answer, get Rubio’s approval and get it back to you… because frankly, I WANT those questions answered. I totally oppose this bill as is right now because I trust the Federal government as far as I can throw it (which ain’t far.) Let’s get some honest answers and see what Rubio has to say!

eyesights on April 27, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Well, he’d be writing off his chance at a 2016 presidential nomination — Hillary is assured of that if she runs. Even with this amnesty bill, Rubio still has some chance at the Republican nomination in 2016.

J.S.K. on April 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Rubio might well get the nomination but he will never get the votes. He can’t even pull the Romney “oh lookit me I’m so conservative now” BS; he’s gone full-bore for amnesty.

MelonCollie on April 27, 2013 at 10:58 PM

What are they going to do about all the people that go to fraud the system. What about all the non illegals that go apply so they can get a new name and SS number drivers license etc.. How many would like to have another SS number or drivers license to throw for say that speeding ticket. Or to collect welfare to, to game taxes all kinds of crap.

There will be so much fraud produced in this it will boggle the mind.

C-Low on April 27, 2013 at 11:10 PM

My understanding is that there will have to be security measures done first…

And as is often the case, your understanding is wrong.

You can nit pick this all you want, but hardliners do not have any kind of alternative other than the status quo and they claim they hate that too. Just like last time, they raise hell about all this, but they do not actually come up with solutions. Other than alienating an entire demographic I fail to see where a lot of this paranoia has accomplished anything.

So, you’re a liar AND an amnesty shill. But then, I guess being an amnesty shill requires that.

A strong majority of Americans support this kind of policy…but then again, a lot of people on here do not seem to give a rat’s ass what a majority of the American people want.

Terrye

Yeah, it’s called thinking for ones self, something you are apparently incapable of. But it’s good to know if a majority of Americans wanted slavery brought back, you’d be more than ok with it. And at least we know you’re an Obama supporter too. After all, a majority of Americans elected him, right?

xblade on April 28, 2013 at 12:35 AM

As a strong supporter of comprehensive reform and drastically increased legal immigration (although not on the family-ties basis of the last half-century, we should admit more of those healthy young applicants whose skills and attributes meet our needs, and no welfare or other benefits for seven years, period), I can never support a plan which does not begin only when the promised enforcement goals have been achieved in fact, not in a mythical future.

Been there, done that, got the tee shirt, turn the page.

Adjoran on April 28, 2013 at 12:50 AM

IOW, the border must be secured AND e-verify in place BEFORE any of the legalization, blue card, application processes, etc. can begin.

Adjoran on April 28, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Rubio’s response raises more questions: How much documentation is sufficient to qualify as “proof”? One bank statement or utility bill? Two? Will there be a uniform standard, or will officials make judgments on an ad hoc basis? Also, wouldn’t this system invite widespread fraud?

The disasterous “Reagan Amnesty” is directly responsible for the burgeoning document-fraud industry — and it is an industry — that sprang up in Southern CA and then soon grew nationwide.

We should expect that damage to occur ten-fold in these current times along with all the other liabilities created by the Reagan Amnesty if this wretched Rubio-Obama-McCain mess is passed.

HOW MANY TIMES is DC going to pull this lying crud off and escape public lashing for their deceit, nonsense and, uhh, deceit? They’re all lying OR they’re all too stupid to know where their noses are. Or both.

Proponents of this amnesty crud are LYING. They’re LYING. That includes Obama, that includes Rubio, McCain, Graham, Schumer, the whole lot of them, lying.

It’s tough to hear and see these people with their feigned pleadings to the public for this and that –“woe, the poor children, the poor, the poor undocumented, oh, woe” — but the sooner people realize that these people are lying, they’re engaged in public theatre (“acting”) for the cameras and other media, the better. Admit it and get these creeps out of our government.

“The poor you will always have with you…”

Exploiting “the poor” for political, economic, egotistical, greedy, whatever, reasons is evil.

Lourdes on April 28, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Politicians have used every possible rationalization imaginable to try and sell their pack o’ lies to the US citizens among which are immigrants, those who arrived here to become citizens and followed the (legal) rules.

The US population is so awful and incapable that the politicians have to go shopping for suitable populations in other nations and import them here? Isn’t that the excuse used by certain billionaire political donors who want “more” from other nations because the US population isn’t useful enough to them?

Not to mention the ethnic and racial motivations by some who need more of what-color-kind from wherever to induce their sense of “community” in the US.

Do this:

enforce our laws for ten years including against everyone who comes here illegally — if they’re deportable, deport them.

THEN come back to the citizens/voters and tell us why we then need more people from somewhere else.

Lourdes on April 28, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Sorry, but I’ve lot the “give Rubio the benefit of the doubt” feeling.

Its Perfidy!

LilyBart on April 28, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Many religious and other do-gooders as well as liberals want the borders wide open, while they proclaim to be the paragons of virtue, living the Word, Love and general “feel good” platitudes. But then they put huge locks on their doors, barricade themselves behind armed police men (women), gated communities, private schools etc. If they are so loving as to invite all people into our country why put barriers between themselves and these “good-people” they want to let in? I ask them to tear the locks off their doors, fire their watchmen, get into public schools, move out into the communities of we who are less wealthy. Oh yes, one more thing. Are you going to give your money to the poor immigrants so we won’t have to pay more taxes to feed terrorists like the Boston Bombers?

Herb on April 28, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Everything these politicians say is a lie including “a” and “the”.

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/

Chessplayer on April 28, 2013 at 10:35 AM

The only amendment that would be effective for this bill is its withdrawal. Even Rubio is lying through his teeth on this one.

Quartermaster on April 28, 2013 at 11:39 AM

The politicians who lied to your before about securing the borders are now going to tell you the truth.

Trust them.

profitsbeard on April 28, 2013 at 6:31 PM