Syrian rebels: Assad used chemical weapons again — just yesterday

posted at 11:21 am on April 26, 2013 by Allahpundit

With all the whispers about sarin lately from western intelligence, you’d think Assad might ease off for awhile so as not to put extra pressure on Obama to act at a moment of rising public interest. Nope — if a pro-rebel group is to be believed.

On Thursday, the Syrian Support Group (SSG), a U.S.-based advocacy organization that has pressed Obama to provide the Syrian opposition with advanced weapons, issued a report that said two chemical weapons attacks were conducted on April 25 in the southern part of Daraya, a suburb of Damascus. One doctor working from the Daraya medical center said 75 victims were treated for symptoms including “muscle spasms, bronchial spasms, headaches, dizziness, vomiting, and miosis” following a 1 a.m. rocket strike. Another 25 victims were sent to the medical center complaining of similar symptoms when a second attack hit the area at 7 a.m. local time, according to the SSG and a statement from the local coordinating council of Dariya, a media group affiliated with the Syrian opposition…

The SSG, one of the first to report on the March 19 attacks, said victims of Thursday’s chemical strike exhibited symptoms similar to those March 19 attacks, in which rebel groups claimed the regime used weapons armed with echothiophate—an organophosphate similar to Sarin…

Two U.S. officials who work on Syria policy tell The Daily Beast that assessments from three allied services—France, Israel and the United Kingdom—are not ironclad and leave room for interpretation. “The French and the British assessment are squishy,” one of these officials said. The Israeli assessment is largely based on photo analysis, another official said, pointing out that photographic analysis is not as solid as other kinds of evidence.

Another U.S. intelligence official, however, disputed this view. “The British have soil samples,” this official said. “When you have the Israelis, the French, the British and even some of our Arab friends saying this happened, I don’t know what the White House is really waiting for.”

That’s from Eli Lake, noting that yesterday’s attacks are, of course, unconfirmed. As for evidence of prior attacks, according to Danger Room, it’s not true that western intel is limited to soil samples. Supposedly they have blood samples from multiple victims of the alleged March 19 attack in Aleppo, all showing the presence of either sarin or something awfully similar to it. If you want to see what that looks like, watch the two videos below via the NYT. One of the victims says in the video, “Missiles came and they exploded, and they discharged something like water, but it was dark. It emitted a very foul smell.” The man/child in the first clip seems glassy-eyed and either has mucous on his face or, maybe, some residue from frothing at the mouth, a symptom mentioned by one of the IDF’s intelligence experts in accusing Assad of using sarin a few days ago. The man in the second clip appears to have some sort of facial burn, and looks dead.

One theory mentioned in my post yesterday was that the IDF gaffed by announcing their WMD suspicions publicly at a moment when the White House was huddling over what to do. Was it a gaffe, or was it done deliberately to pressure Obama to act? New evidence for the latter theory:

Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister Zev Elkin, a confidant of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said that world powers may now conclude that there was “no avoiding” action to take control of Assad’s chemical stockpile…

Reuters reported that Elkin told Israel’s Army Radio on Friday that “there is a question here of when you set a red line, do you stand behind it?”

“Now that the Americans’ red line has apparently been crossed, there is a test,” he added. “It is clear that if the United States wants to and the international community wants to, it could act – inter alia, militarily – to take control of the chemical weapons, and then all the fears … will not be relevant.”

At RCP, Greg Scoblete ticks off four reasons why intervention is a bad idea, culminating in the argument that while Obama might well be a moron for having issued a “red line” ultimatum that he’s not prepared to enforce, that’s not a good enough reason to wade into a clusterfark that involves a dictator fighting Al Qaeda fighting Hezbollah fighting the Muslim Brotherhood fighting Iran. If Israel’s nudging the U.S. to side with the rebels, though, it must be because they’ve concluded Assad’s hold on power has now slipped to the point where WMD stockpiles going loose is a real possibility, such that they’re willing trade a quicker victory for the Islamist factions next door if it means securing chemical weapons that might eventually be used against Israel.

Exit question: Why, exactly, did Obama announce the “red line” in the first place if he wasn’t serious about it? Ninety percent of the arguments coming from the McCains and Grahams of the world right now is that he’s obliged to intervene simply to protect U.S. credibility and show the world that when the president issues an ultimatum, he means it. If O hadn’t declared the “red line” — which he didn’t have to do formally, given the taboo that already exists for WMD — he’d have more room to maneuver now. Think he’ll be announcing any more red lines before the end of his term?



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workingclass artist on April 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Another U.S. intelligence official, however, disputed this view. “The British have soil samples,” this official said. “When you have the Israelis, the French, the British and even some of our Arab friends saying this happened, I don’t know what the White House is really waiting for.”

Well, the Israelis, the French and the British are cordially invited to step in and do something, if they think it needs to be done. Why is everyone always waiting on the US to ‘act’?

Midas on April 26, 2013 at 11:25 AM

The first video is fake.

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Obama going from “red line” to “brown stain”.
What a mess!

aquaviva on April 26, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Exit question: Why, exactly, did Obama announce the “red line” in the first place if he wasn’t serious about it? Ninety percent of the arguments coming from the McCains and Grahams of the world right now is that he’s obliged to intervene simply to protect U.S. credibility and show the world that when the president issues an ultimatum, he means it. If O hadn’t declared the “red line” — which he didn’t have to do formally, given the taboo that already exists for WMD — he’d have more room to maneuver now. Think he’ll be announcing any more red lines before the end of his term?

Clearly, Obama is nowhere near as smart as nonpartisan likes to think he is.

Bitter Clinger on April 26, 2013 at 11:27 AM

thats obamacare for you. no pillows or sheets. the kefayah is your toilet paper.

yikes!

renalin on April 26, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I have seen several videos and numerous photos of people who they claimed have been exposed to sarin and all have been faked.

Even if they have soil samples contaminated with sarin, what does that really mean?

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Well, the Israelis, the French and the British are cordially invited to step in and do something, if they think it needs to be done. Why is everyone always waiting on the US to ‘act’?

Midas on April 26, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I think they want to see if Obama can lead from the front. They’ll be sorely disappointed on that one.

Bitter Clinger on April 26, 2013 at 11:28 AM

They crossed the red line!!!

“Now lets not jump to any conclusions…”

Electrongod on April 26, 2013 at 11:28 AM

… and is that camera-person drunk or something? WTF’s with the swaying back and forth?

Midas on April 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM

This requires at least as much scrutiny as the Keystone Pipeline decision.

aquaviva on April 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

First, Aquaviva, you made me coffee spurt.

Second, freaking McCain has lost what little was left of his mind. He wants to attack Syria like Ralphie wanted his Red Ryder BB-Gun.

Neither side should get any support from the US.

hawkdriver on April 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Regardless, I hope the US stays out of this war. There was an article that showed Rebels beheading a Syrian pilot a couple of weeks ago plus another aticle showing they use child soldiers. There are no “good” guys. As the Israelis – let them kill each other. I mean seriously, Iraq & Afghanistan are still going while Haliburton and other military industrial complex companies rake in the money.

Mangofish26 on April 26, 2013 at 11:31 AM

I hope we dont touch syria with a 10,000 mile long pole. It is a no win scenario.

Imrahil on April 26, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 11:28 AM

I haven’t seen anything regarding blood choline esterase levels.

a capella on April 26, 2013 at 11:34 AM

if a pro-rebel group is to be believed

“if” should be verified, unfortunately verification seems to be in disfavor with most of those in power.

Eren on April 26, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Assad probably doesn’t see the Obama Administration as a serious threat.

@AsalamaTweetum

Opinionnation on April 26, 2013 at 11:38 AM

The rat-eared coward said there would be consequences. Seems like he has sorta painted himself into a corner here.

Happy Nomad on April 26, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Does Sarin make someone ‘more’ dead than a 152mm high explosive howitzer shell?

The other day, the rebels destroyed the minaret of a 900 year old mosque — something historic and a treasure even though I’m no Moslem. They have no regard for anything, either. They lie just as much, if not more, than will Damascus. And if they get power, they’re going to be worse than Assad.

To my knowledge, there are no stonings under Assad. But these guys will make it public and national policy under Sharia if they take over.

The US needs to stay out of this one. But we won’t, the instant Obama’s popularity hits 40%. Then, all of a sudden, liberals will be all for war and American interventionism. Not for the Syrian children, mind you.

But for Obama.

Liam on April 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM

solving proliferation problem is the major issue; all else….

runner on April 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I was wrong. There is blood confirmation of abnormal cholinesterase levels. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/sarin-tainted-blood/

a capella on April 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM

We just don’t know. Do we Charlie (Rose)? Do we Mr. Vice President? David Remnick? We just don’t know. No, we don’t know.

Maybe it’s a shave gone bad and it’s Barbasol. We just don’t know.

aquaviva on April 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Neither side should get any support from the US.

hawkdriver on April 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Okay, now you’re messing with the rat-eared coward’s Arab Spring accomplishments. Which proves that you only want him to fail because he is black or something. Don’t be a hater. ;0

But seriously, the US is going to get involved because of legacy building by the rat-eared coward.

Happy Nomad on April 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Yeah, this will be reported NO WHERE in the Socialist media. It is so certain, that Obamao and his Ministry of Islamic Outreach and Good Tidings won’t do a DAMN thing about this, that this use of chemical weapons, will be covered up by the Socialist media at all costs.

Meople on April 26, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Neither side should get any support from the US.

hawkdriver on April 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I’m of the view we should arm both sides, and make a tidy profit. Jobs, man! Union jobs! /

Liam on April 26, 2013 at 11:45 AM

I was wrong. There is blood confirmation of abnormal cholinesterase levels. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/sarin-tainted-blood/

a capella on April 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Highly questionable sources reported by a highly questionable leftard. Also, if true, why the need to stage all these fake videos? I still say it’s all BS.

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Neither side should get any support from the US.

hawkdriver on April 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I agree. Let’s focus on US before worrying about other countries.

nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 11:47 AM

More fake videos: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313971/Syria-Does-video-Aleppo-victims-foaming-mouths-prove-Assad-used-chemical-weapons.html

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Not trying to argue but how does that prove they are fake?

VegasRick on April 26, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Syrian rebels: Assad used chemical weapons again — just yesterday

As long as Syrians are being killed, it’s cool.

I think Barky should make a visit to Damascus, though … to check in on “a real reformer”. He should take a nice, big Congressional dem delegation with him (Congressional dems love going on trips to Syria to suck up to assad) and Holder and Horse-Face.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 26, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Looks like the “reformer” has taken a turn for the worse. I’m shocked that he would test Obama’s Maginot red line.

Since this really would be an idiotic war to get involved with, I wonder if Barko will actually do something. Since he’s not a Republican, it’s not like he has to worry about Code Pink showing up on the WH lawn. This is one case where I’m hoping his inclination to be a pu$sy on the world stage gets the better of him.

crrr6 on April 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Neither side should get any support from the US.

hawkdriver on April 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I agree. Let’s focus on US before worrying about other countries.

nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 11:47 AM

O_o
Finally on your meds again?

RovesChins on April 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Let’s send Joe Wilson to find out for sure.

Barnestormer on April 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM

1 million + syrian refugees in Lebanon so far

workingclass artist on April 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM

O_o
Finally on your meds again?

RovesChins on April 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM

He better be careful. They might take away his “I *heart* Obama” T-shirt.

Liam on April 26, 2013 at 11:52 AM

O_o
Finally on your meds again?

RovesChins on April 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM

He plays a nonpartisan on HA blogs.

VegasRick on April 26, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Not trying to argue but how does that prove they are fake?

VegasRick on April 26, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Work in a hospital ER or ICU and you will know. It’s not how “foam” looks. Go dig up some photos of people who have drowned on the internet. Nothing is coming out of their noses – or even their mouths. It’s just smeared around their faces. And, the treating staff has jus left it there.

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM

bho probably wants the un to do something about this so he doesn’t have to get involved? But, china and Russia probably won’t vote for action?

bho has got to get his skinny rear end out of this mess he opened his lying mouth to start! It sure is going to be hard to blame anyone else but bho for this, but I bet bho/team tries?
L

letget on April 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM

he’d have more room to maneuver now

I thought he got all the flexibility he needed once he was re-elected…..

dentarthurdent on April 26, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Say, remember all that talk about Iraq moving all it’s WMD production to Syria while we were sitting around here arguing about going into Iraq or not? I’m sure that’s just a coinky dink.

clearbluesky on April 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Exit question: Why, exactly, did Obama announce the “red line” in the first place if he wasn’t serious about it?

pResident “Don’t Call My Bluff” Obama was bluffing.

ITguy on April 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM

We should have stayed out of Libya and we should stay out of this. When we have a clear plan and clear goals and we decide to allow our military to execute without tying their hands we can consider interventions. There is zero evidence the opposition would be any better than Assad. Obamas red line and toss off to the UN just makes us weaker. He’ll continue to bumble through foreign policy with wrong headed ideas. Further attacks here are likely as we continue to wring our hands over why they hate us and how we can respect their evil religion all the while bashing and demonizing christians and catholicsi

ldbgcoleman on April 26, 2013 at 12:02 PM

The suctioning is fake, too.

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Neither side should get any support from the US.

hawkdriver on April 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I’m of the view we should arm both sides, and make a tidy profit. Jobs, man! Union jobs! /

Liam on April 26, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Tough choice between these 2 options.
I don’t think we should get involved – let the muslims kill each other.
BUT – I like the idea of making money by selling weapons to both sides to help them kill each other. Perhaps all the sceery assault weapons that can no longer be sold in NY and CT.
Except, I really don’t want whoever wins to have lots of decent weapons to turn on Israel either.

You Syrians just carry on killing each other while I think about this for awhile…… decisions, decision….

dentarthurdent on April 26, 2013 at 12:02 PM

But seriously, the US is going to get involved because of legacy building by the rat-eared coward.

Happy Nomad on April 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM

… because it worked so well in Libya! ;)

Midas on April 26, 2013 at 12:03 PM

if a pro-rebel group is to be believed.

Operative phrase right there.

BL@KBIRD on April 26, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Muslims in the Balkans whipped up a Shrebrenica, why not Syrian gas attacks to trick you in?

BL@KBIRD on April 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM

I think Obama better give another Cairo speech.

John the Libertarian on April 26, 2013 at 12:18 PM

so we help them and get assad out of the way. What will we get in return? “death to america”. stay out of it let them settle it their way. Perhaps use islam to resolve their problem after all it is a religion of peace.

phatfawzi on April 26, 2013 at 12:20 PM

… because it worked so well in Libya! ;)

Midas on April 26, 2013 at 12:03 PM

BUT – we’ll get it right THIS time, really, promise…. just like with all their socialist policies that have always failed before….

dentarthurdent on April 26, 2013 at 12:22 PM

that’s not a good enough reason to wade into a clusterfark that involves a dictator fighting Al Qaeda fighting Hezbollah fighting the Muslim Brotherhood fighting Iran.

But that is a good enough reason to make some more popcorn.

rbj on April 26, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Why do you guys want to go to war again?

The GOP will betray you

True_King on April 26, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Why do you guys want to go to war again?

The GOP will betray you

True_King on April 26, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Who here do you see lobbying for this?

Midas on April 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Why is everyone always waiting on the US to ‘act’?

Midas on April 26, 2013 at 11:25 AM

“Let’s see if Mikey likes it. He’ll eat anything!

Solaratov on April 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Killing hundreds of “innocents” in Syria…….NOT okay with Obama.

Murdering tens of millions of little black babies like Obama once was…..A-OKAY, Kill more and more and more!!

Welcome to the last days of our very own Rome.

PappyD61 on April 26, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Clearly, Obama is nowhere near as smart as nonpartisan likes to think he is.

Bitter Clinger on April 26, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Oh, but his intentions are noble!

/scoamf

Solaratov on April 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Why did Obama threaten a red line? He knew that as a Nobel Peace Prize winner beloved by Arabs and Muslims throughout the Middle East (not to mention the NYT), that Assad would immediately obey!

prigsbee on April 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Exit question: Why, exactly, did Obama announce the “red line” in the first place if he wasn’t serious about it?

Because the dope in the white house actually believed when he told them not to use gas they would listen.
This dope actually thinks the world respects him….

ouldbollix on April 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Exit question: Why, exactly, did Obama announce the “red line” in the first place if he wasn’t serious about it?

Is this a trick question? He lies because that’s what pathological liars do. Every day his people load up the teleprompter with whatever rhetoric they think will be helpful that day. It does not matter what has come before or what will follow, because as surely as the sun rises in the east, the lapdog media will not ask embarrassing follow up questions or hold him accountable.

Mayday on April 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Say, remember all that talk about Iraq moving all it’s WMD production to Syria while we were sitting around here arguing about going into Iraq or not? I’m sure that’s just a coinky dink.

clearbluesky on April 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM

And there you have it-O’bama is afraid that if we go in, we will find WMDs that say “Made in Iraq, circa 2002″. Which will mean Chimpy Bush was right. He can’t have that.

Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2013 at 12:55 PM

This whole “Arab Spring” thingie ain’t working out the way it was advertised. Has the situation improved in Libya and Egypt since we backed the rebels there?

myiq2xu on April 26, 2013 at 1:00 PM

So, we’ve now crossed the amaranth line…and the carmine line as well as the burgundy line….when we finally get to the red line Obama is really gonna get a bit put out.

Putz.

His Arab Spring is working out sooo well.

Valerie and Samantha will stop at nothing to protect Assad and Ahmadinnerjaqcket.

coldwarrior on April 26, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Smart Power!

jnelchef on April 26, 2013 at 1:05 PM

So Team Assad (all around bad guys) used chemical/nerve agents on Team Rebel Alliance (the farm teams for the muslim brotherhood, Al Qaeda, and team Edward) and we should care? This is bad guy on bad guy violence. Lets file this under who cares.

bannor on April 26, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Muslims killing Muslims….

It is like freaking out over the sun rising each morning.

The should not get involved in Syria, period. If the Turks and Israelis and Arabs want to divide the place up be my guest.

Syria, like Iraq, is a fake country anyway. It was something drawn up by the French and British to determine who had what after WWI.

William Eaton on April 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM

I truly hope and pray that Obama does not have a snit and get us more involved than we already are (and should not be) but if most of the muzzies want to destroy each other…why stop them?

The sad part, the difficult part, is that our president made public declarations about “red lines” and “oh, don’t be doin’ that” and stuff…not as a private person but as the “leader” of the United States.

He caused the Egyptian fiasco…one which will take decades to recover. He made a fine mess of Libya. Is making Pakistan a deeper mess. And in a number of other places, he has gone out of his way to upset things.

But his public declarations…his “red line” speeches…

We, the People, of these United States will be dealing with the fallout for decades. Hell, we are still trying to undo all that Jimmy Carter set in motion, and it’s been how long?

And Obama?

He does not matter one bit in all of this, save to practice his community organizer rabble rousing. It is all he knows.

He’s proven it time and time again.

His district in Chicago is a more dangerous war zone today than Damascus.

Still a putz.

coldwarrior on April 26, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Highly questionable sources reported by a highly questionable leftard. Also, if true, why the need to stage all these fake videos? I still say it’s all BS.

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Just because you seriously want it to be so, it doesn’t make it so. I don’t see the fakery, but perhaps that’s because my discerning eye isn’t as well connected to the libertarian part of my brain as yours is.

But I am amused by this “leftard” stuff — for, after all, it is the “leftards” who think Bush did a very bad thing by deposing a man making war on his own people, and yet want us to become involved here.

Perhaps the difference is mustard gas vs. sarin.

Now, as much as we don’t like it, Mr. Obama did draw that red line in the sand, and even stated what would happen were it to be crossed. If he fails to take action, we do have a problem — the next time the United States draws a red line in the sand, it may be interpreted as no line at all.

And how many red lines in the sand has Mr. Obama drawn — some of which I’m sure all of us want?

unclesmrgol on April 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM

With all the whispers about sarin lately from western intelligence, you’d think Assad might ease off for awhile so as not to put extra pressure on Obama to act at a moment of rising public interest.

My guess is Assad is not too worried about Comrade O acting, at least not effectively.

The bad guys have put Dear Leader to the test repeatedly and have found him weak and indecisive. Assad just called his “red line” bluff. At the moment the bad guys’ measure of the man is he will impose no limits on their freedom to do as they please. That he will finger wag, condemn, and threaten, but will take no effective action.

Israel will have to do what it must to protect its security, with little or no help from the US.

farsighted on April 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM

pResident “Don’t Call My Bluff” Obama was bluffing.

ITguy on April 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I would say I pity someone who sincerely believes him, but at some point you look like a fool for continuing to do so.

itsspideyman on April 26, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Remember the “opposition” in Libya and Egypt? So the Muslim Brotherhood are the opposition now? LOL Assad I don’t think would be so stupid to give the M.B. any advantage by using chemicals. But I certainly can see the M.B. using them & blaming Syria.

Syria is another Libya and another Egypt imo.

Just my take.

bluefox on April 26, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Why, exactly, did Obama announce the “red line” in the first place if he wasn’t serious about it?

Because he is a fool.

About what you would expect from an idealistic arrogant naive community organizer who thinks he knows how the world works but doesn’t have a clue.

He thinks threats alone will make the bad guys back off quivering in fear of his wrath.

Actually, they are laughing at him. Putin and Medvedev probably tell jokes about how weak, naive, indecisive, and clueless he is as they down shots of vodka.

farsighted on April 26, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Syrian Rebels, aka imported from Saudi Wahhabi Muslim Brotherhood (not Syrian)

really reliable source, the M.B., ever so trustworthy. Not.

maverick muse on April 26, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Assad is on “double-secret probation” now!
He’d better not cross the crimson line, or things will get serious! And I’m not joking!
~BO

Dexter_Alarius on April 26, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Just because you seriously want it to be so, it doesn’t make it so.

No, it is so based on my background/training/experience.

I don’t see the fakery, but perhaps that’s because my discerning eye isn’t as well connected to the libertarian part of my brain as yours is.

I’m not a libertarian. You don’t see the fakery because you lack the training and education I have.

But I am amused by this “leftard” stuff — for, after all, it is the “leftards” who think Bush did a very bad thing by deposing a man making war on his own people, and yet want us to become involved here.

My reference to “leftard” was to the linked article written by Spencer Ackerman, a nasty piece of leftard if there ever was one. His argument in support of sarin gas being used is comical.

Perhaps the difference is mustard gas vs. sarin.

No one was gassed.

Now, as much as we don’t like it, Mr. Obama did draw that red line in the sand, and even stated what would happen were it to be crossed. If he fails to take action, we do have a problem — the next time the United States draws a red line in the sand, it may be interpreted as no line at all.

There is no proof that gas was used.

And how many red lines in the sand has Mr. Obama drawn — some of which I’m sure all of us want?

unclesmrgol on April 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Don’t know. Don’t care. Again, these videos are fake and the link offered as proof that gas was used is deficient, to put it nicely.

For some bizarre reason you tried to make this personal. Piss off.

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM

The bat faced snake eater is no leader.

tom daschle concerned on April 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Syria is another Libya and another Egypt imo.

Just my take.

bluefox on April 26, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Read the last April (2012) issue of The Air Force Magazine.

Main article:

“Syria Is Not Libya”

Our military brass have been warning our dear leader to not get involved in Syria. The points of concern:

1) No way to surgically strike Assad supporters without taking out entire population of Syrians regardless of their political leanings. Syrians do not live in segregated neighborhoods or towns as the Libyans typically did. They have been living together as a tradition, regardless of religious affiliation, for thousands of years.

2) Bombing raids would only recreate for the US Military the nightmare that the Germans created for themselves in the Battle of Stalingrad. First, the civilian population would be hardest hit; not any military forces. Second, the buildings would provide cover for guerrilla warfare perpetuating the carnage against the civilian population of Syrians. Third, our ground forces would face the nearly impossible, as boots on the ground would of necessity be required following bombing raids to “secure” territory. Compound our troops being caught between a rock and a hard spot, being placed between the imported Muslim Brotherhood radical “rebels” v. Syrian “patriots” (multiple factions inevitably in “civil” wars).

3) Our Air Force machines are already worn out with no supplies on hand to repair current stock. The Libyan US Air Force bombing raids were the last straw when it comes to our older bombers that still are the basis for most in our arsenal, already long past expiration date.

4) To become spread even thinner, becoming embroiled in Syria, would place our entire military in a bad situation, to the extend that could threaten our military’s ability to function efficiently anywhere, including in defense of our own borders.

5) Syrian treaties with Russia, Iran and China NOT to be ignored or dismissed as meaningless.

Those points were made by our military brass a year ago. Read that issue yourself. Nothing’s improved regarding our economy, either, since then.

maverick muse on April 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Allow me to restate a point I made: Even without training and experience, you should be able to tell the photos and videos are fakes. If you critically read the Wired article, you will see that is BS, too.

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Allow me to restate a point I made: Even without training and experience, you should be able to tell the photos and videos are fakes. If you critically read the Wired article, you will see that is BS, too.

Blake on April 26, 2013 at 2:52 PM

No doubt. I don’t think we can trust ANY of the Syrian muslims in any way.
But then, whether they did or didn’t use chemicals (at any time or place), Obumble was an idiot to draw a line in the sand, and my vote is still to just stay completely out of it.

dentarthurdent on April 26, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Here’s something completely missed in all the “evidence” of chemical weapons use. Ready?

Who used them?

Short answer; we have no idea. Nobody knows if this is a setup by AQ and their allies to get additional help from the US and NATO which we foolishly made contingent of such conditions.

This precursor was not only short-sighted, but it increased the possibility such weapons would be used. By someone.

Marcus Traianus on April 26, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Mclames argument is that if we don’t get involved and pave the way for the brotherhood, the Syrians will end up hating the US or something.. sounds a lot like preemptive appeasement..

if they all hate us anyway.. just leave them to their own fate.

And if all roads lead to Damascus… why not pave over it with one big parking lot

jomondo44 on April 26, 2013 at 3:11 PM

It doesn’t matter whether there is evidence or not. Comrade O will not do anything. They could pile dozens of bodies that unquestionably died from sarin gas on the WH lawn and he wouldn’t do anything, most likely saying the following…

“Now lets not jump to any conclusions…”

Electrongod on April 26, 2013 at 11:28 AM

That is a legacy of Iraq. Only indisputable evidence with ever be enough, and one rarely has indisputable evidence in these things.

He was a fool to draw a “red line”. He was bluffing. The bad guys know he was bluffing.

Dear Leader knows the American people will not support him if he morphs into GWB II and orders another intervention in the region.

Our interest in Syria’s WMDs is assuring they do not show up on US soil in the hands of terrorists. Hopefully we can do that without major intervention, because for many reasons there will not be a major intervention in Syria.

If France, Britain, and Israel believe their security is threatened, let them deal with it. Between them they have enough military power to do whatever they deem necessary. They had no problem collaborating in 1956 when Egpyt nationalized the Suez canal.

farsighted on April 26, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Those points were made by our military brass a year ago. Read that issue yourself. Nothing’s improved regarding our economy, either, since then.

maverick muse on April 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM

The points and concerns the article you referenced are informational and I’d concede to them. I haven’t read the article, but your quotes from it makes sense.

When I said Syria is another Libya & Egypt, I meant that the result was M.B. control, i.e. government. The propaganda prior to the U.S. going into Libya & Egypt was “democracy” & put down the “dictator”. Yes, they were dictators, but there is no democracy, just different dictators, i.e. the M.B. It is in what happened in those two Countries is what I think the intent is in Syria. Let’s take out those bad dictators and replace them with worse dictators.

The U.S. doesn’t need to be in Syria nor anymore wars. We are in more Countries and for what? What is our Military fighting and losing their lives for??? What does the Brass say about that? I hope they don’t say for Freedom, for our Country. For if that is their answer, then our Military needs to be here in the U.S. It is our Freedoms that are being lost on a daily basis. It is our Country that is being lost.

bluefox on April 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM

jomondo44 on April 26, 2013 at 3:11 PM

McCain is an idiot. Too bad he doesn’t support the U.S. Not only him, but the rest of the R’s who have joined the Dem party. Wish they would make it official.

bluefox on April 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Why do you guys want to go to war again?

The GOP will betray you

True_King on April 26, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I think you need to change your mantra. Our government has betrayed us.

bluefox on April 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Watch this and imagine Obama as the bully(I know, doesn’t take too much imagination, does it?!): One Punch Opie

Sterling Holobyte on April 26, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Let me see. Iraq had chemical weapons like these under Saddam. We have reports of large trucks leaving Iraq just before invasion going to Syria and reports Syrians are “holding onto them” until the end of war.

(They just didn’t get the fact we were there to kill the old boy!)

Now we have similar attacks on Syrian people as on the Kurds.

Hmm…..

Okay, MSM, nothing to see here.

On the should we intervene issue, the answer is NO! as in HECK NO!

Do we really care if a bunch of Arabs kill each other off? No.

Assad is dead- the when and how is the only issue left. He can’t leave, he can’t win, and he can’t quit. Just like Gaddafi.

If we help we’ll only upset one side or the other and end up with another problem here. Helping got us Benghazi.

archer52 on April 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM

the next time the United States draws a red line in the sand, it may be interpreted as no line at all.

unclesmrgol on April 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM

The United States lost any credibility about promises or threats long ago; everyone knows that a change in President or Congressional majority “reboots” everything not in writing, and a goodly portion of that if the lawyers work it right.

The problem with Obama’s administration is that their inconsistency about promises and threats makes the risk-assessment for every situation a crap shoot.

AesopFan on April 26, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Red line, schmedline! Best of luck Isreal. You’re on your own.

Kenz on April 27, 2013 at 3:23 AM

What we are seeing here are images of Christians gassed by the Muj who then blame it on Assad.

Does anyone think Assad actually wants to give the West the excuse they’re looking for to join the fray and overthrow him?

Liam1304 on April 27, 2013 at 3:33 PM