Lolz at workers. 65% of coal powered plants may close thanks to EPA

posted at 4:01 pm on April 25, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Great news! Those new EPA regulations which we’ve been trying to warn all of you voters about since the day Obama was elected are close to a reality. And when they go into effect there will be some really super terriffic things happening, at least according to a new study from Duke University, based on the employers in question.

New EPA regulations could force the closure of 65 percent of coal plants across the country, A Duke University study shows. That trend can already be seen in Indiana.

Duke Energy officials is planning to close four of its coal processing units at its Wabash River Facility in 2015. They are still deciding whether to transition a fifth unit to a natural gas processor.

Duke Energy Spokesman Lew Middleton says since 1990, Duke has spent about $2.8 billion to upgrade its Indiana facilities so they comply with EPA regulations.

“These units here at Wabash River—units two, three, four and five—are some of the oldest that we have in our system,” Middleton says. “When you do the economic analysis, it just does not make economic sense for us to install the pollution controls that would be necessary to meet the new EPA standards.”

There are some sobering numbers in there. A single employer in one state has spent enough to cover Barack Obama’s deficits for two years simply to catch up traditional technology with science which was unimagined when they constructed the plants and is still beyond the reach of most. Progress is being made, but apparently not on the government’s schedule.

So how is this “good news” you might wonder? Well, I suppose that depends who you ask.

Citizens Action Coalition Director Kerwin Olson says regardless of the reason, shutting down coal plants is a good thing.

“The environmentally friendly choice, the best choice for public health and the best choice for our economy is transitioning away from coal to renewable energy and energy efficiency,” he says. “There’s an enormous opportunity economically to develop those resources.”

This guy must be the inspiration for The Killers singing Mr. Brightside. There’s a silver lining for every cloud, even if it means that the thousands of people employed directly or indirectly by these companies and the communities they support have to go hit the unemployment lines. And the real bite in the backside is the vast amount of time, energy and money which has been spent in new technologies intended to bring them in line with rapidly evolving government expectations. Their investments are being rewarded with a big, wet slap in the face.

But hey… we’ll at least still have plenty of taxpayer money to keep the next solar energy and algae company in business, eh?


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Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

nobar on April 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM

N. Korea and the U.S will soon have something in common.

Electrongod on April 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM

nobar on April 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM

:)
Never gets old.

Electrongod on April 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM

The commie Dems and their bulldogs at the EPA are shutting down America.

Axion on April 25, 2013 at 4:05 PM

:)
Never gets old.

Electrongod on April 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM

All day, everyday until Obozo leave office (and maybe even long after).

nobar on April 25, 2013 at 4:06 PM

I recall a certain Presidential nominee stating “jobs will be lost, plants will be closed and energy prices will go up” whilst being interviewed in Western PA.

Odie1941 on April 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Mission accomplished

MoreLiberty on April 25, 2013 at 4:08 PM

You left something out Jazz. There’s the little matter of what will happen to the price of electricity when 65% of all coal plants close.

According to Wikipedia, 22% of our power comes from coal. 65% of 22% is ~14% of total power production.

If the United States has a drop of 14% of ALL electricity, what will be the results? Given electricity is a pretty inelastic good, I’m guessing we’ll be seeing significant increases in cost. I’d be surprised if it was less than a 25% increase.

And, of course, the poor have a much larger percentage of their income devoted to energy costs. They will be hit disproportionately. This is a massively regressive cost to this regulation.

IF the Republicans were smart, they’d be shouting all day that the environmentalists don’t care about poor people. But, of course, they aren’t called the stupid party for nothing.

makattak on April 25, 2013 at 4:08 PM

No doubt Obama will delay their release until after the 2014 election, along with the Keystone pipeline decision and release of documents on Benghazi and Fast & Furious.

Socratease on April 25, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Meanwhile in Germany the price of electricity is dropping because of increased reliance on coal fired electricity

tmitsss on April 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Maybe Duke Energy will go Galt. And if they do I hope they leave a hopelessly sabotaged facility behind. Because:

“The environmentally friendly choice, the best choice for public health and the best choice for our economy is transitioning away from coal to renewable energy and energy efficiency,” he says. “There’s an enormous opportunity economically to develop those resources.”

Sure sounds like a way to seize the plant and all of its assets, to me.

RushBaby on April 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Wailing and gnashing of teeth from pro-Obama coal-industry union presidents in 5… 4… 3… 2…

And they’ll honestly wonder why the press doesn’t show up to their pressers.
And why their OFA rep doesn’t return their calls.

Marcola on April 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM

A single employer in one state has spent enough to cover Barack Obama’s deficits for two years

2.8 Billion dollars is *a lot* of money…it is only 1 tenth of one percent of two years of the federal deficit though. Yikes.

MMW on April 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM

2013 Dem Playbook:

Enviro-Nazis > Unions

sentinelrules on April 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM

“There’s an enormous opportunity economically to develop those resources.”

There probably is — IF you happen to be very good friends with a highly-placed Democrat politician, or one of their supporters.

Socratease on April 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM

At what point will Americans tire of Washington and its bureaucrats fucking with their lives? I’m guessing that Americans are indefatigable in that regard… more regulation and taxation is the order of the day. Ain’t no one gonna do anything about this.

beatcanvas on April 25, 2013 at 4:16 PM

“The environmentally friendly choice, the best choice for public health and the best choice for our economy is transitioning away from coal to renewable energy and energy efficiency,” he says. “There’s an enormous opportunity economically to develop those resources.”

Taxpayer loans to now bankrupt renewable energy industries proves nothing right?

antipc on April 25, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Well 82% of the electricity that is created in Missouri is from coal fired plants. How are we supposed to live if they’re shut down?

GeeWhiz on April 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM

The great irony of this is that Duke Energy gave $10 million for the DNC convention.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/1/dnc-wont-repay-duke-energy-charlotte-convention-co/?page=all

Idiots. Utter idiots.

beatcanvas on April 25, 2013 at 4:20 PM

The man said on national TV he was going to shut them down.Did the coal unions think he was kidding?

docflash on April 25, 2013 at 4:21 PM

We have to stop using coal because there is a few picograms of Mercury emitted per thousand tons of coal burned and that means 1,003 people will die of lung cancer instead of 1,000 if we didn’t use coal.

Meanwhile keep using those CFL lamps, and if you break one just vacuum it up and shut up about it.

slickwillie2001 on April 25, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Well 82% of the electricity that is created in Missouri is from coal fired plants. How are we supposed to live if they’re shut down?

GeeWhiz on April 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Simple answer is, you aren’t!

fourdeucer on April 25, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Rome burns while the Romans watch American Idol.

We’re f_cked.

Polish Rifle on April 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM

May they all close in blue states.

That’ll fix the planet for sure!

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 4:25 PM

And, of course, the poor have a much larger percentage of their income devoted to energy costs. They will be hit disproportionately.

makattak on April 25, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Oh no, WE will get to pay for the increased energy cost to the poor with new forms of welfare.

This is perfect for the Democrat agenda, to continue to take wealth from those that work and hand it over to the so called poor in order to increase the Democrat voting base.

Axion on April 25, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Well 82% of the electricity that is created in Missouri is from coal fired plants. How are we supposed to live if they’re shut down?

GeeWhiz on April 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Your state voted for Romney – Obama doesn’t care what happens to you.

DamnCat on April 25, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Ooo…liberals will DESPISE Obama for destroying the coal mining industry, just like they despised Thatcher for doing the same in Britain. Oh wait…

Sharke on April 25, 2013 at 4:29 PM

I’m on board with this.

Every state that went for Obama should have its coal-fired power plants shut down immediately.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Well 82% of the electricity that is created in Missouri is from coal fired plants. How are we supposed to live if they’re shut down?

GeeWhiz on April 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Your state voted for Romney.

You get coal.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Well 82% of the electricity that is created in Missouri is from coal fired plants. How are we supposed to live if they’re shut down?

GeeWhiz on April 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM

There is actually an easy remedy to that, and it comes from Obama’s sequester playbook. If the decision is made that the plants must be shut down the operators should immediately take their previously prepared stack of pink slips to the power plants, hand them out, and literally turn off all the lights on the spot.

I can almost guarantee you that the EPA will be over-ridden.
Of course, in Texas I can see Gov. Perry telling the EPA to go conduct some more studies, ’cause the lights are staying on. Gov. Nixon ain’t got that kind of ……attitude.

questionmark on April 25, 2013 at 4:31 PM

But hey… we’ll at least still have plenty of taxpayer money to keep the next solar energy and algae company in business, eh?

With fewer taxpayers? No, we won’t. It’ll all be funny money.

The Rogue Tomato on April 25, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Well 82% of the electricity that is created in Missouri is from coal fired plants. How are we supposed to live if they’re shut down?

GeeWhiz on April 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM

“Live” is such an outdated term.

Bishop on April 25, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

nobar on April 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM

That’s going to get lots of use over the next three years.

Hard to care for places/people/businesses that voted for Obama. It’s too bad they have to take others down with them.

kim roy on April 25, 2013 at 4:35 PM

It’s high time we punish Democrats and all other liberals. Best way to do that is to give them all what they want.

Not all of the country, mind you.

Just them.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 4:36 PM

At what point will Americans tire of Washington and its bureaucrats fucking with their lives? I’m guessing that Americans are indefatigable in that regard… more regulation and taxation is the order of the day. Ain’t no one gonna do anything about this.

beatcanvas on April 25, 2013 at 4:16 PM

QUIET. I can’t hear you over Honey Boo Boo and Maury.

kim roy on April 25, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Do you think the envir-zealots have thought about this:

- Once all of the coal fired plants are shut down in this country, there will be no incentive for them to further develop clean coal technology.

- All coal produced in this country will be shipped to countries around the world that have no EPA restrictions.

MichaelGabriel on April 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM

http://tinyurl.com/c8wqs9s

No End to Power Rout as Carbon Market Vote Fails: Energy Markets
By Rachel Morison, Julia Mengewein & Marek Strzelecki – Apr 25, 2013 11:49 AM ET

Europe’s failure to rescue the region’s carbon market is likely to encourage utilities to burn record amounts of coal, putting power prices in Germany on course for the worst-ever sequence of quarterly declines.

Electricity for next year, the benchmark contract already trading near an almost eight-year low, may drop a further 4.8 percent through June, according to a Bloomberg News survey, extending an unprecedented eight quarters of losses. Coal-fed power generation in Germany rose 16 percent last quarter, Federal Statistical Office data show.

tmitsss on April 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM

FORWARD!

mintycrys on April 25, 2013 at 4:44 PM

CA uses huge amounts of energy, contributing to global warming.

To stop that bane, they shut out any chance to build new power stations, and so have to buy energy from other states.

How about those states terminate sending power to CA?

It’s good for the planet, after all.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 4:44 PM

A few trendy Manhattan cocktail parties without A/C, or Starbucks raising prices to account for their rising energy costs will have the libs marching in the streets.

Liberal trash are more than willing to let flyover types suffer and die, but mess with their lifestyle and it’s march in the streets time.

Bishop on April 25, 2013 at 4:45 PM

They shipping all the coal to China. If the government keeps this up the American people may start questioning their patriotism.

FloatingRock on April 25, 2013 at 4:46 PM

A few trendy Manhattan cocktail parties without A/C, or Starbucks raising prices to account for their rising energy costs will have the libs marching in the streets.

Liberal trash are more than willing to let flyover types suffer and die, but mess with their lifestyle and it’s march in the streets time.

Bishop on April 25, 2013 at 4:45 PM

“No latte,
No peace!”

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Liberal trash are more than willing to let flyover types suffer and die, but mess with their lifestyle and it’s march in the streets time.

Bishop on April 25, 2013 at 4:45 PM

“My barista is brown,
And I want to keep him in my town!”

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 4:50 PM

The real question is what are we conservatives going to do about it? We had four years to organize and unite politically inside a political party on our respective local Republican Party committees. Still, about half of the precinct-level voting slots of the Party (about 200,000 of the 400,000 total) are vacant. And the RINOs like that just fine and won’t say a word about it. And, the incumbent “conservatives” like it just fine, too. They don’t want conservatives to unite and organize for real political action where they live, because then the incumbents might have to face a real conservative challenger from their right with a chance of defeating them.
Want to “do something?” Call your county chairman, find when and where your local committee meets, and GO TO THE MEETING. Learn how to become a voting member of your committee. Get access to the GOP Data Center GOTV tool. Recruit all the conservatives you know to do the same.
Go here for more info: http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
http://precinctproject.us
Here’s a short overview of The Neighborhood Precinct Committeeman Strategy:
http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/what-we-need-to-do-as-soon-as

It works. But you have to show up and fill up all the vacant PC slots with conservatives. Are you willing to do that?
Thank you.
Cold Warrior

Cold Warrior on April 25, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Why the surprise? He’s just doing what he said he was going to do 4-6 years ago. Nothing was hidden, and yet coal country voted for him. Must be because he’s so cool, and jokes on late night tv.

Mimzey on April 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Citizens Action Coalition Director Kerwin Olson says regardless of the reason, shutting down coal plants is a good thing.

TRANSLATION: I am a ‘community organizer’, I have a job. I don’t personally produce or create anything, but I get paid on the taxpayer’s dime.

GarandFan on April 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

I’m sure this can be blamed on Bain Capital.

myiq2xu on April 25, 2013 at 4:54 PM

How is this going to stop the coal power plants in China?

John the Libertarian on April 25, 2013 at 4:57 PM

TRANSLATION: I am a ‘community organizer’, I have a job. I don’t personally produce or create anything, but I get paid on the taxpayer’s dime.

GarandFan on April 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

We’re looking at it the wrong way, I often think.

We have been fighting, and the Left has had the comfort of being able to ignore us for fifty years. But those days are gone.

At this point, the sanctimonious liberals are stuck in position where they are finally going to have to pony up, too. We have been braced for this a long time, adapting and still surviving for years.

THEY aren’t ready for it.

Life seems to come as a shock for those who ignore that it happens outside of the dream.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Don’t cry for Duke Energy, they are huge contributors to the Democrats.

blue13326 on April 25, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Way to go Ohio and Pennsylvania!

Maybe, we can amend the Constitution so Obama can run for a third term and close the remaining 35%.

Resist We Much on April 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM

The jerkwad from the Citizens Action Coalition is right for the wrong reasons, of course.

What’s going to drive the shutdown of coal-fired generating units in this country is exactly what’s driving the full-tilt construction of coal plants in Germany and utter feckless desperation in the UK.

Economics.

Natural gas, brought to you by fracking, is cheap in this country. Even if prices have bounced from their lows the utilities see a future of cheap gas here.

I’ve said this before: the plant operators love gas. It comes in through a pipe, it burns clean and consistently and doesn’t leave any residue. Gas also permits much more creative and efficient plant design.

Coal, by contrast, is a hassle. It comes in via train, it has to be pulverized and cleaned of all the crap in it before it goes into the boiler, you have to clean up after it, and it limits your plant design options.

So, much as I hate the EPA, in this case they’re really only helping along something that’d happen anyway.

The situation’s altogether different in Europe. Over here, the greens are a nuisance and a parasite, but in Europe they’re a cancer, a crippling malignancy that’s harmful in many ways.

They stampeded the Germans into a complete nuke shutdown post-Fukushima, and they’ve so far managed to prevent commercial exploitation of fracking. The end result of this is to cede control of their economy to Gazprom and EdF. So, at a very late stage, someone got a clue and decided the only thing they could get away with before the whole country’s economy dried up and blew away was building coal-fired generators.

At least some German found a clue. The British couldn’t find one with two hands and a windmill.

JEM on April 25, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Well 82% of the electricity that is created in Missouri is from coal fired plants. How are we supposed to live if they’re shut down?

GeeWhiz on April 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Simple answer is, you aren’t!

fourdeucer on April 25, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Well… when brownouts happen for the first time in US history..

will the friggin MSM even notice?

Liberals are the most profoundly ignorant of reality beings on the planet. That the working poor will be struck with gawd awful utility bills is a plus in their affluent world.. FORCES them to conserve like the caring left has been telling them.. that they already have been, because their income isn’t the cushy liberal kind, doesn’t matter..

These scumbags must be heavily invested in candle making companies..

and the first neighbor who b1tches about his electric bill and voted for Obama, is going to be called an idiot.

mark81150 on April 25, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Way to go Ohio and Pennsylvania!

Maybe, we can amend the Constitution so Obama can run for a third term and close the remaining 35%.

Resist We Much on April 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM

You need to be immediately deported for the crime of Trying To Give Liberals New Ideas.

For further punishment, Piers Morgan is to be your seatmate, and there’s a major headwind so the flight takes 27 squillion hours to get from NY to London.

/

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I’m curious how the greentards expect to power up all of those “green” electric cars they’re trying to get us to buy.

Renewables? Really? Do any of you libtard morons have a clue how many acres of land need to be covered with soar panels or bird-killing windmills to replace the electricity of one coal fired power plant?

Further proof that what the libtards really want is to return us to the stone age.

The Idiocracy is here.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:15 PM

A single employer in one state has spent enough to cover Barack Obama’s deficits for two years

Jazz, what employer in/on ANY state country planet has spent $2.387 trillion (last two Obama deficits) to ‘catch up traditional technology with science which was unimagined when they constructed the plants and is still beyond the reach of most’?

Math fail.

Resist We Much on April 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I’m curious how the greentards expect to power up all of those “green” electric cars they’re trying to get us to buy.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Now, now — you need to stop with the reality-vs-liberalism thing. Liberals can’t handle that, you insensitive brute! Where is your empathy?

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:19 PM

This should help preserve the strategic coal reserves.

flstc on April 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Who needs coal anyway?
Let’s use Brawndo – it has electrolytes – sounds perfect for generating electricity…..

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM

For further punishment, Piers Morgan is to be your seatmate, and there’s a major headwind so the flight takes 27 squillion hours to get from NY to London.

/

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:15 PM

SHUSH YOUR MOUTH! Don’t even joke about that! I left the UK…only to be followed here by that pompous arse…and David Miliband. I’d rather get a ‘mani, pedi, and decapi’ in Islamabad than to be seatmates with Musket Morgan.

Piers, a Short Pier, and a Long Walk. Some Assembly Required.

Resist We Much on April 25, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Now, now — you need to stop with the reality-vs-liberalism thing. Liberals can’t handle that, you insensitive brute! Where is your empathy?

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Rhetorical question – they don’t really want us to actually power up those electric cars – just buy them. I’m sure they’ll make great yard ornaments.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:22 PM

SHUSH YOUR MOUTH! Don’t even joke about that! I left the UK…only to be followed here by that pompous arse…and David Miliband. I’d rather get a ‘mani, pedi, and decapi’ in Islamabad than to be seatmates with Musket Morgan.

Piers, a Short Pier, and a Long Walk. Some Assembly Required.

Resist We Much on April 25, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Good thing I didn’t add, “And all the plane’s lavatories are out of order.”

Better we have you, I think — Fellow American…

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Rhetorical question – they don’t really want us to actually power up those electric cars – just buy them. I’m sure they’ll make great yard ornaments.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Liberals don’t want us to have anything more than street panhandler has. That is the liberal concept of ‘fairness’, ‘equality’, and ‘social justice’.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Duke energy’s CEO is a radical leftist who doesn’t give a damn about the rate payer. The role of regional regulated utilities will hopefully come to pass in the next decade or two.

tom daschle concerned on April 25, 2013 at 5:29 PM

If the United States has a drop of 14% of ALL electricity, what will be the results?

We’ll just make up the shortfall with Unicorn farts, and the little bamboo-ribbed hand-held fans that ladies used to use at the Opera.
And when significant numbers of seniors without A/C succumb to the summers/falls heat-wave, the NYT will note that SocSec/Medicare have been relieved of a great burden.

Another Drew on April 25, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Liberals don’t want us to have anything more than street panhandler has. That is the liberal concept of ‘fairness’, ‘equality’, and ‘social justice’.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Of course – a return to the stone age would be a libtard utopia.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Of course – a return to the stone age would be a libtard utopia.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Except certain people wouldn’t be allowed to have either stones or fire.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Resist We Much on April 25, 2013 at 5:21 PM

~peeks up from behind my couch, cocking an eyebrow~

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:34 PM

JEM on April 25, 2013 at 5:12 PM

You don’t think that the enviro-proggies would shut down Natural Gas exploration and fracking if they could find a way?

slickwillie2001 on April 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Except certain people wouldn’t be allowed to have either stones or fire.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Well for gaia’s sake – not FIRE!!! That’s what got us into this whole globull warming catastrophe to begin with.
No, fire must be outlawed, except for the privileged few who will need to cook their lobster and arugula.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:36 PM

I just hope and pray that the liberals who voted for this marxist are hit in the pocket….. But they are probably too stupid to realize it and are still blaming GW. Liberalism is eating at the Republic, people.

ultracon on April 25, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Of course – a return to the stone age would be a libtard utopia.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Except certain people wouldn’t be allowed to have either stones or fire.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Think about it — How would humans have been 100,000 years ago, if we had liberals?

“We need to outlaw rocks, they kill and there’s too much violence.”

“Fire is a weapon of mass destruction; it can set whole plains to flame. We need to ban fire.”

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Well for gaia’s sake – not FIRE!!! That’s what got us into this whole globull warming catastrophe to begin with.
No, fire must be outlawed, except for the privileged few who will need to cook their lobster and arugula.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Taking the word and tenets of liberals to their extreme is fun, isn’t it?

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Think about it — How would humans have been 100,000 years ago, if we had liberals?
“We need to outlaw rocks, they kill and there’s too much violence.”
“Fire is a weapon of mass destruction; it can set whole plains to flame. We need to ban fire.”

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Well, that seems to be a perfectly logical approach for the descendents of the Golgafrinchans….

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Taking the word and tenets of liberals to their extreme is fun, isn’t it?

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Laughing at them as they destroy us seems to be about all we have left.
We’re doomed – might as well have some fun with it….

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Unintended consequences part tre:

‘It’s like living in a tanning salon, we have to shut the curtains’: Feud as solar panels reflect sunlight directly into neighbour’s home

tom daschle concerned on April 25, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Well, that seems to be a perfectly logical approach for the descendents of the Golgafrinchans….

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:45 PM

If there were liberals at the Dawn of Man, we’d still be eating grass.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:47 PM

“Fire is a weapon of mass destruction; it can set whole plains to flame. We need to ban fire.”

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:38 PM

However, it can be useful in controlling the inflation effects of the tree leaf monetary system….

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Laughing at them as they destroy us seems to be about all we have left.
We’re doomed – might as well have some fun with it….

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:46 PM

What I find most entertaining about liberals is that they take themselves SO seriously.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM

If there were liberals at the Dawn of Man, we’d still be eating grass.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Which is of course exactly what moochelle wants to get us back to…

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Which is of course exactly what moochelle wants to get us back to…

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Except for the part of her having so much lobster and $60/lb steaks.

Seems to be like a cheating wife telling her husband, “I only have eyes for you.”

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Well… when brownouts happen for the first time in US history..

will the friggin MSM even notice?

Already happened. Google “Grayout Davis”. Expect the entire country to look like CA. Only worse, especially in the winter.

Liberals are the most profoundly ignorant of reality beings on the planet. That the working poor will be struck with gawd awful utility bills is a plus in their affluent world.. FORCES them to conserve like the caring left has been telling them.. that they already have been, because their income isn’t the cushy liberal kind, doesn’t matter..

Progressives will simply demand more money for programs. What they will do when everyone else is broke, they haven’t thought of, because they simply reject the idea that it could ever happen, and have done so for over a century. Look up John Maynard Keynes, sometime.

These scumbags must be heavily invested in candle making companies..

Of course. That’s a “small”, “authentic”, “Gaia-friendly” sort of thing. If you suggest that candles aren’t the best way to light your home, you will very likely be burned at the stake.

and the first neighbor who b1tches about his electric bill and voted for Obama, is going to be called an idiot.

mark81150 on April 25, 2013 at 5:13 PM

And he’ll accuse you of a hate crime, at which point The Authorities will move in. On you.

Moral; giving progressives political power is approximately like giving a sixteen-year-old a six-pack of beer, a packet of condoms, five hundred bucks, and the keys to a Corvette.

The only question left to be answered is how big the disaster will be.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 25, 2013 at 5:55 PM

What I find most entertaining about liberals is that they take themselves SO seriously.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Oh, no kiddin. My wife’s younger sister was with a hardcore tree-hugging libtard for many years (not married of course).
Because we don’t recycle glass, they would actually collect all of our beer/wine/soda bottles when they came to visit, and would fill the trunk of their car and haul them back to Washington (state) with them – to save the planet from us inconsiderate conservatives of course.
No clue that they were expending more fuel due to the extra weight in the car than any “savings” by recycling the glass.
He always made snide comments about our BIG house, but he sure loved the comfort and laying around holding our TV remote the whole time he was staying for free in our horribly anti-environment house.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Well, that seems to be a perfectly logical approach for the descendents of the Golgafrinchans….

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:45 PM

I’m wondering how many of us non-progressives are the descendants of the cavemen.

And no, I have no idea what The Question is. I just have a total non-affinity for mice.

cheers

eon

eon on April 25, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Except for the part of her having so much lobster and $60/lb steaks.

Seems to be like a cheating wife telling her husband, “I only have eyes for you.”

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 5:55 PM

As with most libtard elites – SHE will be exempted from the laws and be free to do whatever SHE wants.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:59 PM

eon on April 25, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Let the blue states do as they will, let them cut off their own power.

And other states tell them to get lost when they come begging.

The only way to finally destroy liberalism is to let those who want it to have it in full; no bailouts. Let them live under what they have chosen.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 4:29 PM

I’ll go you one further they also can’t buy electricity from states next to them that have coal plants. California does this. They won’t allow new power plants (coal or gas) and then contract with Arizona and Nevada to supply them with electricity.

chemman on April 25, 2013 at 6:00 PM

As with most libtard elites – SHE will be exempted from the laws and be free to do whatever SHE wants.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:59 PM

And when they get bored with Absolute Power, look out. That’s when they’ll kick into full-on RedJac mode.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 25, 2013 at 6:00 PM

And no, I have no idea what The Question is. I just have a total non-affinity for mice.
eon on April 25, 2013 at 5:58 PM

“What is six times…..”

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 6:02 PM

The only way to finally destroy liberalism is to let those who want it to have it in full; no bailouts. Let them live under what they have chosen.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Just make them watch the entire Gilligans Island collection.

No phone, no lights, not a single luxury. Erh….except for Ginger. And Mary Ann.

BobMbx on April 25, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Yous get what you vote for…

CW on April 25, 2013 at 6:03 PM

As with most libtard elites – SHE will be exempted from the laws and be free to do whatever SHE wants.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Well, we know who gets tied to the bed in that marriage, don’t we?

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Just make them watch the entire Gilligans Island collection.

No phone, no lights, not a single luxury. Erh….except for Ginger. And Mary Ann.

BobMbx on April 25, 2013 at 6:03 PM

But make sure they’re told that in their world, no Professor will be allowed to make ANY mechanical devices either – under penalty of being burned at the stake as a witch gaia-utopia denier.

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Just make them watch the entire Gilligans Island collection.

No phone, no lights, not a single luxury. Erh….except for Ginger. And Mary Ann.

BobMbx on April 25, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Liberals could never cope with the reality that they have pushed, and is on the way. We have largely been been ready, and they are not.

Though they’re liberals, liberalism itself is going to come as quite a shock to them.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 6:07 PM

No phone, no lights, not a single luxury. Erh….except for Ginger. And Mary Ann.

BobMbx on April 25, 2013 at 6:03 PM

I always liked Mary Ann much better….

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 6:08 PM

No phone, no lights, not a single luxury. Erh….except for Ginger. And Mary Ann.

BobMbx on April 25, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Or…

No phone,
No pool,
No pets…
I ain’t got no cigarettes…

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 6:10 PM

I always liked Mary Ann much better….

dentarthurdent on April 25, 2013 at 6:08 PM

The better one, to be sure!

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Let the blue states do as they will, let them cut off their own power.

And other states tell them to get lost when they come begging.

The only way to finally destroy liberalism is to let those who want it to have it in full; no bailouts. Let them live under what they have chosen.

Liam on April 25, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Except that like the Duke and the King in Huckleberry Finn, they are determined that everyone be a participant in their production of “The Royal Nonesuch”. Only when everyone is parading around the stage, buck-naked and painted blue, will they be satisfied, because (as in the novel), if everyone has to do it, none dare call it a f**k-up.

Also, don’t forget sheer sadism. It’s already been established that progressives have very low regard for people other than themselves, so it’s entirely reasonable to expect that they will seek to inflict as much pain as possible on everyone else for their own edification.

Furthermore, since they do not believe that their delusions can result in anything but Utopia, they aren’t about to let anyone escape from their Perfect, Radiant Future. No matter what it takes to stop them from doing so.

And of course, absolutists are not about to settle for anything less that Absolute Power. Over everybody. Not to mention Total Worship from same. (The Messiah isn’t the only clinical narcissist in the4 bunch, just the most blatantly-delusional one.)

Don’t expect them to suddenly become even partly reasonable. To them, that is a betrayal of The Cause.

And besides, they don’t like anyone else enough to leave them alone.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 25, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Damn….I forgot the words.

No phone, no lights, no motor car, not a single luxury.

Let the Me Generation discover that anthem and we’re all in trouble.

BobMbx on April 25, 2013 at 6:14 PM

The burn, she is a-coming.

Midas on April 25, 2013 at 6:16 PM

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