WaPo-Pew poll: So much for that tide of anger over gun-control failure

posted at 12:01 pm on April 24, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama might be employing “the audacity of mope” after the failure of his gun-control initiative, but he’s mostly alone.  According to a new poll from the Washington Post and Pew, there is no rising tide of outrage over the failure to pass any kind of gun-control legislation this month.  In fact, there are about as many people delighted over it as angry, especially among those who actually cared enough to pay close attention to the debate:

The Senate’s defeat of a package of popular proposals aimed at curbing gun violence last week seemed certain to foment public outrage at out-of-touch politicians who don’t listen to their constituents.

Only if one ignored the actual polling on issue prioritization.  Even at the height of the media coverage of the Newtown shooting, the number of people who considered guns a top public-issue priority never climbed out of the single digits, according to Gallup.  By the time the bills failed, only 4% thought of guns as the most important public issue facing the country, down from 6% in early February.  The only angry people were on CNN and MSNBC. And bear in mind that the Gallup question would have included people who thought protecting gun rights were the most important issue, too.

That explains these results:

Yes, a plurality (47 percent) describe themselves as either “angry” or “disappointed” about the failure of the gun legislation but 39 percent call themselves “relieved” or  ”happy” about what happened. That’s a far cry from the 90-ish percent support that expanding background checks – the centerpiece of the proposed legislation — enjoyed.

And, among those who said they were “very closely” keeping tabs on the vote, the split was even closer; 48 percent said they were angry/disappointed while 47 percent were relieved or happy. (That piece of data is indicative of the passion gap on the issue between those supporting gun rights and those pushing for more restrictions.)

Viewed broadly, the new Post-Pew poll numbers suggest that, in the end, the Senate vote last week wound up functioning in the minds of most Americans as a sort of stand-in for how they feel about gun rights more generally as opposed to the specifics (background checks in particular) of the legislation.

So, not surprisingly, those who who were most angry about the failure of the gun bill were reliably Democratic groups like those with postgraduate degrees and those living in the Northeast.

Be sure to check out the graph accompanying this claim, because the scale of the “anger” speaks volumes.  Only 31% of postgrads felt “anger” over the results of the vote — and they were the most angry demographic in the poll. The only other demos in the poll with 20% or more angry were Northeasterners, Democrats, and those 65 years of age or older.  As I wrote this weekend, it’s basically the Richard Jenkins character in Liberal Arts (and again, which is a very good film).

In comparison, there are a baker’s-dozen demographics with 20% or more happy about the collapse of the legislative effort.  That includes the demographic-of-the-whole “all adults” (20%), and independents (26%), and the West (28%) — which surprisingly outstrips the South (22%) and Midwest (20%).

Chris Cillizza argues that the results show people weren’t actually listening to Obama’s argument:

To their credit, the President and his White House tried like hell to emphasize that the proposals in the bill were ones that drew support across party lines. But, their failure to make that case effectively speaks to the entrenched views much of the country holds on guns. The conclusion? Most people simply weren’t really listening to the argument President Obama was trying to make.

They only started making those arguments, though, after demonizing gun owners and the NRA and demagoguing on a tragedy that those solutions didn’t actually address. Had the White House taken the more moderate tenor and position immediately rather than seizing on a ban of so-called “assault weapons,” they might have made progress on expanded background checks, and may have even gotten the NRA (which has previously endorsed those in concept, if not in the details) to either support them or remain agnostic.

Here’s a pro-tip for politicians: If you want to make a reasonable case, don’t start by blaming all gun owners for the acts of a madman, and then insinuate that their opposition to legislative non-sequiturs means they don’t care about children or crime.  This became a referendum on the principles of gun rights because Obama and his administration made it one, and they fell on their face for that reason.


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The only ones freaked out and still nagging about their loss are LSM talking heads. They simply can’t get over their Democrat Senate let them down, after all they invested in promoting DiFi and her ilk. The crybabies act as if they got stood up on a date, for all their whining.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I used my pooched-out-lip look too, and nothing.

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Most people simply weren’t really listening to the argument President Obama was trying to make.

Not to worry, this lot isn’t giving up on getting guns out of our hands over a temporary bump and misguided resistance to their plan.

hawkeye54 on April 24, 2013 at 12:08 PM

To their credit, the President and his White House tried like hell to emphasize that the proposals in the bill were ones that drew support across party lines. But, their failure to make that case effectively speaks to the entrenched views much of the country holds on guns. The conclusion? Most people simply weren’t really listening to the argument President Obama was trying to make.

Ah, the old “stupid citizens weren’t listening to the wise sage Democrats” and/or “it’s not the brilliant message that’s the problem, it’s just that the messengers weren’t able to successfully communicate it to the rubes in the hinterland”.

GFY – the message was sh1te, and the messengers were sh1te.

Midas on April 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

It would help immensely if our political/commutariate class could see a problem, and devise a solution that actually deals with it instead of just advancing one of their pet goals of disestablishing the Rights & Liberties of the American People.

Another Drew on April 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The conclusion? Most people simply weren’t really listening to the argument President Obama was trying to make.

I think the evidence supports the opposite. Most people heard very clearly and understood without ambiguity the argument Obama was making:

“2nd Amendment or not, I’m getting your guns”

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I’d be shocked if there weren’t a heck of a lot more people furious that it was even voted on than there were people who are upset it was voted down.

jarodea on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Americans who agree with my ideology outnumber your kind. My team always and I mean always wins when Americans come out in great numbers to vote.
 
HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

rogerb on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Jim Carrey hardest hit.

pain train on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

mika and joe hardest hit

and yet, they will continue their daily rant…those folks will rue the day they voted against this…they are going to suffer at the next election, mark joe’s words
/

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

The media butthurt is real…

d1carter on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Auto Related deaths in 2012: 25,580

Homicide by Guns in 2012: 9,146

I am calling for the banning of Automobiles.

portlandon on April 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM

They only started making those arguments, though, after demonizing gun owners and the NRA and demagoguing on a tragedy that those solutions didn’t actually address.

ding ding ding

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 12:17 PM

If you want to make a reasonable case, don’t start by blaming all gun owners for the acts of a madman, and then insinuate that their opposition to legislative non-sequiturs means they don’t care about children or crime

it’s their MO for anything that has to do with the right…

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

May Obama have eternal acid stomac from consuming all that carrion.

May Fox and Fred Barnes go to Hell, for openly promoting illegal immigration. May all who do spontaneously combust, you traitors to the land.

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

t would help immensely if our political/commutariate class could see a problem, and devise a solution that actually deals with it instead of just advancing one of their pet goals of disestablishing the Rights & Liberties of the American People.

It’s just that the elite political class does see a problem, which happens to be the rights & liberties to which a vast number of people insist upon clinging which conflicts with the elites’ objectives.

And they are working diligently, if not completely compentently, in continually devising a solution to their problem in order to advance their goals.

Absolute perennial power and control is what they want more than anything else.

hawkeye54 on April 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I am calling for the banning of Automobiles.

No worries…the Left is working on that too, eventually. The privilege of owning and driving automobiles should be reserved for our elite class.

hawkeye54 on April 24, 2013 at 12:21 PM

This became a referendum on the principles of gun rights because Obama and his administration made it one, and they fell on their face for that reason.

Barky’s criminal and inept administration has fallen on its face on EVERYTHING it has tried to do. The only thing it ever managed was to pass un-Constitutional, un-American, insane and stupid legislation through a totally dem controlled Congress and they only did that by illegal means, parliamentary chicanery (that was also illegal), bribes, and taking advantage of Barky’s skin (the only “talent” the inept, America-hating imbecile has).

I cannot think of any issue that Barky has not mucked up and fallen flat on his face on. Not a one. It’s only lucky for Barky that he gets the affirmative action bonus mulligan each and every time.

Incitatus would do better at arguing horse-centric policies than Barky has done. Mostly because Incitatus had a higher IQ than the Indonesian Dog-Eating dimwit.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 24, 2013 at 12:21 PM

So, not surprisingly, those who who were most angry about the failure of the gun bill were reliably Democratic groups like those with postgraduate degrees and those living in the Northeast.

Ironically, this would be the very demographic that would be first up against the wall when the Revo!ution comes.

At least judging by the French Revo!ution, the Bolshevik Revo!ution, the Great Leap Forward, etc.

Lily on April 24, 2013 at 12:23 PM

I cannot think of any issue that Barky has not mucked up and fallen flat on his face on.

The WH party calendar is awesome.

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 12:24 PM

This became a referendum on the principles of gun rights because Obama and his administration made it one, and they fell on their face for that reason.

I easily see the amnesty legislation in the Senate going the same way for the same reason. It is becoming a referendum on the illegals. You can’t oppose amnesty for illegals without it being insinuated that you hate Hispanics and are morally corrupt since you don’t want to gift citizenship to a bunch of unvetted people who work here with fake documents and have no legal status for even being here.

If the administration tries to over-reach then they will fall flat on their face again

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM

HA’s hardest hit:

‘Nonpartisan’

Liveenslavedthendie

Sesquipedalian

HotAirLib

Lester

Verbaluce

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 12:31 PM

The world leaders just have to be cringing at JugEars’ …

FBI screws up the ‘review’ of Boston’s latest speed bump
Obama’s tantrum and pouting over the gun grab fail
Hillary can’t keep her lies straight (at least Bill could!)

The prez will likely be scorned at the next G4 (or 6 or 8?) meet-up, as he sashays into the room with his Mom jeans, flouting his arrogance…

can’t wait.

socalcon on April 24, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Ah, the ‘pants on fire’ taunt is always effective:

The votes were a setback for President Obama, who angrily blasted Republicans for defeating the background check compromise, saying, “The gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill.”

socalcon on April 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Is there any real difference between putting a “drone” overhead or a helicopter? Both MIGHT be armed and both can see right into your backyard (or inside your covered boat).

rhombus on April 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

how could this cost them the senate if 90% of Americans, 80% of gunowners, and 70% of NRA households favor it?

the cowards who voted no, on the other hand, may be in for a surprise when reelection comes

nonpartisan on April 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Obama is showing his anger on behalf of the parents of newtown

He is angry that the congress is so limp as to not even able to pass something that 90% of Americans, 80% of gunowners, and 70% of NRA households support

he is livid at the cowards who have let the newtown victims die in vain

it is righteous anger

nonpartisan on April 17, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Erika, you have to understand, this issue is not political for the democrats. its a losing issue.

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 12:34 PM

The WH party calendar is awesome.

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 12:24 PM

+1

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I think a lot of people finally woke up to the exploitation of the victims of gun violence and realized not one bit of any proposed legislation was going to undo or prevent a sick demented individual to wreak havoc by any means.

fourdeucer on April 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM

The prez will likely be scorned at the next G4 (or 6 or 8?) meet-up, as he sashays into the room with his Mom jeans, flouting his arrogance…

can’t wait.

socalcon on April 24, 2013 at 12:31 PM

It’s sad that the rest of the world laughs at our dear leader and we have no way to defend him as we laugh at him as well.

VegasRick on April 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Members of Congress, from both party’s, would be better off to come forward and endorse one world globalization (Governance). Instead, we get the “dilute the electorate” attempt though De-fact o amnesty and draconian gun control making the citizens they suspect criminals for an uprising.

Is this by design? A big fat simple yes!

jjnco73 on April 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Well HotAirians, this is OT, but simply too good to pass up!

Soledad O’Brian has been named a “fellow” at HARVARD!!

Let that soak in for a moment……that sound you hear
is the entire WORLD LAUGHING AT US!!

ToddPA on April 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

but look at this poll in south carolina and new hampshire
-whining morning joe

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

The prez will likely be scorned at the next G4 (or 6 or 8?) meet-up, as he sashays into the room with his Mom jeans, flouting his arrogance…

can’t wait.

socalcon on April 24, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Pic of the Day: The Next Greatest Thing In Water Sanitation: Mom-Jeans Bike Power

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

King Putt is our first (hopefully last) Affirmative Action President. He is not very good at politics. He has no understanding how a direct and honest negotiation process is conducted, nor has he any ability to ‘compromise’ because he has a world class narcissistic personality.
He has no understanding of the American Spirit or our nation of E Pluribus Unum.
He was barely born ‘here’ and he wasn’t raised here and he spent his formative youth stoned out of his mind. (Maui Wowee was some potent weed.) He was promoted thru three colleges because he could sell his ‘poor black kid’ story to anyone who cared to listen. Do you know anyone who was editor of the Harvard Law Review who never wrote ANYTHING for that honored publication?
As a narcissist he must hide and mask his fundamental beliefs.
He attended a church (black congregation for political considerations) of Jeremiah Wright which could be labeled The Church of Hate Whitey for TWENTY YEARS but didn’t hear a SINGLE SERMON?
His ‘Good War’ in Afghanistan will leave us with more dead and wounded than OIF and Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink (along with the Manure Steam Media) are totally SILENT on this issue.
There are so many things fundamentally wrong with this character it will be written about for decades once he leaves office. His presidency will be graded BELOW James Earl Carter … when all the FACTS (which even the trolls must recognize are HARD THINGS) of his two terms are examined in the grand flow of human history.
The country will be crippled for at least a decade after he and his Criminal Chicago Cronies leave office.
The recovery begins with the complete sweep of the Obama Care Dhimmicrat Senators in 2014.
Then just hide all of the Teleprompters and there will be peace across the land.

Missilengr on April 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

ToddPA on April 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

cripe…more liberlism to be taught, don’t you know

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Well HotAirians, this is OT, but simply too good to pass up!

Soledad O’Brian has been named a “fellow” at HARVARD!!

Let that soak in for a moment……that sound you hear
is the entire WORLD LAUGHING AT US!!

ToddPA on April 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Whose this “us”, Kemosabe?

I don’t identify with Harvard in any way.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM

What do you expect from 4%?

Dunno. Let’s ask HAL…

Americans who agree with my ideology outnumber your kind. My team always and I mean always wins when Americans come out in great numbers to vote.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Scmope Scarborough makes Obama’s mope look like a dance. Even Twitter followers who I suppose like him are telling him to moveon-dot-org. I promise you be was going to get a $$$ bonus if it passed and maybe a cut if it didn’t the way he acts.

Marcus on April 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM

mika and joe hardest hit

and yet, they will continue their daily rant…those folks will rue the day they voted against this…they are going to suffer at the next election, mark joe’s words
/

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

He really needs to give it a rest. If he were so damned shrewd on political ramifications of votes, why isn’t he still in Congress instead of sitting at a third-rate cable outlet with the daughter of the architect of Jimmy Carter’s failed foreign policy? People forget he left office abruptly with the “spend more time with my family” meme. I’m sure it was only a coincidence that a staffer was found dead in his district office.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Whose this “us”, Kemosabe?

I don’t identify with Harvard in any way.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Point made.

So the Elites are being laughed at…I can live with that.

ToddPA on April 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM

amen HN

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 12:50 PM

The most potentially useful part of this poll would be out of those who were happy or relieved- what is their party affiliation?

Democrats have given people who are either Independent’s or old-time Democrats little reason to love or trust them. That will make a big difference in the upcoming midterms- especially with Democrats up for reelection who have otherwise voted lock-step for Mr. Obama’s agenda.

Combined with the increasingly terrible affects of Obamacare, Democrats are creating the perfect electoral storm of anger. And it’s not going to be pretty.

Marcus Traianus on April 24, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Soledad O’Brian has been named a “fellow” at HARVARD!!

ToddPA on April 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Perfect match. In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing, they asked neighbors in Cambridge if they had heard anything anti-American coming from the Tsarnaevs. One guy answered with great honesty that there were so much anti-American comments around Cambridge that he really didn’t notice.

Good luck Soledad. I’m sure you’ll impart all your wisdom for the world to see. Then you’ll be able to spend the other 55 minutes of the hour-long lecture talking about what Jay-Z is like.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Ah, the ‘pants on fire’ taunt is always effective:

The votes were a setback for President Obama, who angrily blasted Republicans for defeating the background check compromise, saying, “The gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill.”

socalcon on April 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

 
Ha. That’s right.
 
Lying, you say? IIRC the president was criticizing them about a gun registry and making a big deal that the law made it illegal to create one, but the law only prohibited the attorney general from creating a database.
 
I don’t believe any other department or entity was named. So only the attorney general couldn’t make a registry. FBI? Fine. DHS? Yep. Social Security? Why not.
 
Willfully lying? Nicely played, Mr. President.

rogerb on April 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Most people simply weren’t really listening to the argument President Obama was trying to make.

Cillizza spends all his time kissing King Barry’s ass. He can’t wrap that feeble mind around the fact that people hear King Barry’s argument, and recognized it for the bovine excrement that it was.

GarandFan on April 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

This is another slap to Obama’s face, that he was so resoundingly ignored. I’m sure he figured popular opinion would swing his way, and he’d feel vindicated enough to push for Congress to take up the issue again right away. No chance of that now. That’s gotta hurt.

I wonder where he’ll strike next, to ‘punish’ the American people for this offense. We know his overblown ego will never allow him to forget, and he’s going to eventually feel need to lash out again like he did with sequester.

This isn’t over for him, not by a long shot.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

And this gun control thing will live day to day on NPR.
Those stations will be giving it airtime from now until they are defunded from the Federal largess.
BTW Senator McCain, how is that legislation progressing?
Yea, I thought so.

Missilengr on April 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Here’s a pro-tip for politicians: If you want to make a reasonable case, don’t start by blaming all gun owners for the acts of a madman

Or, to quote the Great ObamAss in response to the terrorist attacks by his muslim brethren in Boston;

“That’s why we take care not to rush to judgement, not about the motivations of these individuals and certainly not about entire groups of people.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-on-bomb-suspect-arrest-don-t-rush-to-judge-entire-groups-of-people

Pork-Chop on April 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Pork-Chop on April 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

 
Ha. Thanks. Definitely going to be seeing that one again.

rogerb on April 24, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I wonder where he’ll strike next, to ‘punish’ the American people for this offense. We know his overblown ego will never allow him to forget, and he’s going to eventually feel need to lash out again like he did with sequester.

This isn’t over for him, not by a long shot.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

A local talk radio host refers to this as the harm offensive.

Face it, Obama thought that he could just attach his name to this issue and it would sail through Congress. The reality is that even strong-arming couldn’t get enough Democrats onboard and not one uncommitted Republican joined ranks with McCain and the other three RINOs who decided that gun-grabbing wasn’t all that bad an idea.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Missilengr on April 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Nice summary. I would add:

He attended a church (black congregation for political considerations) of Jeremiah Wright which could be labeled The Church of Hate Whitey for TWENTY YEARS but didn’t hear a SINGLE SERMON?

… yet one of his atrocious books had a title taken from the title of a Rev Wright sermon.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Said it before, sayin’ it again:

Joining the NRA in December was the best political money I’ve spent.

That, and sending a check to Michelle Bachman.

Bruno Strozek on April 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Gee 3.6 percent (that’s 90 percent of 4 percent) were the driving force behind the senate bill and Obama managed to get all wee weed up.

jaydee_007 on April 24, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Obama. What an A-hole. He thinks he can raise righteous indignation and spit fire, and the public will fall in line. He forgets that we’re a center-right nation. He’s so full of himself you can’t tell his skin color from the bile welling up inside him. Keep it up, bull$hit-in-chief.

HiJack on April 24, 2013 at 1:49 PM

When the People come to understand once and for all that the Second Amendment has nothing at all to do with hunting, or target shooting, or skeet matches, and once again believe to their core that the Second Amendment is all about the tyranny of government and the threat of foreign invasion, and the protection of life and liberty, perhaps those numbers will change drastically, for the better.

And government?

Our Progressive elites should be quaking in their jackboots.

It is “We, the People…” not ever “We, the government” or “Me, the President.”

They’d prefer it were not the case.

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Nobody watches CNN or MSDNC. Therefore the reason why only a few were disappointed in the result.

TulsAmerican on April 24, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Obutthead’s rant seems to have worked against him, along with his unbridled support of disarming us. Today, Rassmussen has his favorability rating at -15%. Hasn’t been that low since last October.

NOMOBO on April 24, 2013 at 2:56 PM

WaPo-Pew poll: So much for that tide of anger over gun-control failure

You folks keep this in mind when amnesty shills try to convince you that 80% want “immigration reform” and only republicans will be blamed if it doesn’t happen.

xblade on April 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Fell flatter than a piece of paper, not to mention those in Hollywood that will never reclaim the audience dynamic they once had.

Pro-tip to private industry. Don’t insult over half your audience or customer base and expect to remain viable, you won’t.

Tangerinesong on April 24, 2013 at 3:23 PM

and they were the most angry demographic in the poll.

Nothing I like more than graphic angry demos! ;)

Marcola on April 24, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Color me happy – for now.
But since I know they won’t stop trying, I’m still stocking up on ammo, skeery black assault weapons, and deadly high cap assault mag clips…

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Me: If the Second Amendment is eliminated, why not the First?

Lib: The people would not stand for it!

Me: Without that final threat, how could they stand against it?

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on April 25, 2013 at 3:09 AM

Today, Rassmussen has his favorability rating at -15%. Hasn’t been that low since last October.

NOMOBO on April 24, 2013 at 2:56 PM

SCRE-E-E-E-E-EAMMMMMM! How many thousands of times did I read how this matters heading into the election.

Much of this very likely means his side of the aisle thinks he should be running rough-shod over the country by taking a more Dictatorial role and signing/implementing even more executive orders.

Don’t anyone think for a moment that a lack of favorability equates to disagreement with his socialist-progressive philosophy. We found that out loud and clear last November.

Carnac on April 25, 2013 at 1:04 PM

“Dang it, I said 90% agree with me – AND – AND – AND – the NRA and the Tea Party Republicans are the liars.” – Barack Obama

Carnac on April 25, 2013 at 1:07 PM