Scarborough: Republicans are going to lose “in a big, big way” because of their gun votes

posted at 4:41 pm on April 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

A fun clip from yesterday’s show via RCP, not just because this little wishcast/harangue is so obviously the product of spite and disgruntlement over losing the big vote but because it’s so obviously wrong. If you saw the new data from Pew this morning, you know why. Ninety percent support for expanded background checks in no way means that 90 percent of the pubic is angry at the GOP over the Senate vote. Rather, the vote on Toomey/Manchin was more of a proxy vote on gun control generally: If you want more GC then you’re angry or disappointed, if you don’t then you’re fine with it even if you supported T/M. Sean Trende predicted that a few days ago, before the Pew data was released, in arguing why the vote almost certainly won’t hurt Republicans next year:

Finally, we need to remember that most Americans are relatively low-information voters who are unlikely to dig down into the details of policy papers and voting records. What they tend to do instead is use what political scientists call “shortcuts” to fill in a picture of what a candidate believes in.

For example, few voters vote primarily on the abortion issue (and those who do tend to be pro-life), but voters will use a pro-life stance to paint a broader picture of a politician as having ties to the religious right, or being opposed to broader women’s rights. Similarly, affirmative action doesn’t poll particularly well, and few politicians will actually run on the issue because it is low-salience and can paint a picture of someone who needlessly brings up a divisive racial issue.

My sense is the gun issue works the same way. While most voters are unlikely to punish a senator who supports, say, background checks, such support paints a broader picture of that senator as someone who possibly backs broader gun control, or who is liberal, or who supports an administration with mediocre national approval ratings. This is a real problem for proponents, and it isn’t likely to change anytime soon.

Gun control is, as Trende says, a proxy issue for ideology generally, which helps minimize the backlash over voting no on a bill that 90 percent of the public supports. If you like the idea of expanded background checks but don’t trust Obama or liberals or gun-grabbers generally, you can live very easily with Toomey/Manchin going down. Related to that is the fact that gun control is a quintessential (maybe the ultimate) “slippery slope” issue, if only because some of the left’s favorite proposals all but guarantee further action down the line. No one, including Joe Biden, thinks that banning “assault weapons” is going to stop mass shootings. There’ll be more, and when there are, further bans will be demanded. Give an inch now and they’ll ask for a mile later, almost necessarily. All gun-rights supporters understand that, so if you’re one of them, how broken up are you really about Toomey/Manchin failing, even if you thought the bill on its own merits was okay? Toomey himself seems to understand this. If you don’t trust Obama to protect your Second Amendment rights, you’re not going to go crying that the administration was denied an extra bit of power to regulate guns.

If Trende doesn’t convince you, read Nate Silver’s statistical analysis of whether the gun vote will hurt Republicans next year. Short answer: Probably not, unless the left can build it into some broader narrative about the GOP being “out of touch” on issues that voters care more about, like the economy. Who knows, though, if gun control will still be salient next November vis-a-vis other topics? If ObamaCare’s falling apart and insurance premiums are ticking upwards, who’s switching their vote based on what the Senate did about background checks 16 months ago? How bad would the next 16 months have to be for Obama that one of his best arguments against the GOP, worth spending lots of time and money on, is how they voted — with some Democratic support — on Toomey/Manchin? C’mon.

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Scarborough has become a really odd man – a loud mouth.

His little ditzy side kick is Robin Quivers with bleached hair.

Simple as that.

jake-the-goose on April 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I would happy with that, if they were replaced with real conservatives.

nobar on April 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

RINO scumbag Scarborough lives in the same alternative (non-real) universe as the rest of the lunatic-left.

TeaPartyNation on April 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

read Nate Silver’s statistical analysis of whether the gun vote will hurt Republicans next year. Short answer: Probably not, unless the left can build it into some broader narrative about the GOP being “out of touch” on issues that voters care more about, like the economy.

Hint hint Nate said…

Skywise on April 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Someone should record all of these predictions and then confront the prognosticators after the 2014 election.

aunursa on April 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

The progressive Republicans seem almost as upset as the left. What a surprise. /

Doomberg on April 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Backpfeifengesicht

M240H on April 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Delusional

Daily rant

Look at the sc poll or the new Hampshire poll…they support checks…you’re going down at the next election
-joe this am

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

I would like to know why Obama wasted so much of his most valuable political time, the period after being re-elected, on an issue that any reasonable person could have predicted a loss. Was it hubris?

thuja on April 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Joe needs to wash the sand out of his vag.

He’s like watching Piers Morgan in the Morning.

You know nothing about guns, your statistics are a lie, and you suck at life.

STFU already.

RarestRX on April 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Fluke you, you stupid Mika apron, er panties, dweller.

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Is there a more stupid female face on TV than Mika?

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I laughed the other morning when Schmoe said….

And he was dead serious……

Obama should send bulldozers to Alaska as revenge to destroy the highways,
-and-
Sanford was losing in SC only because the residents want to punish Republicans for their gun support.

Oh yes he did!

Marcus on April 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Living proof that repeated exposure to MSNBC makes you terminally stupid.

Bruno Strozek on April 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

May all the carrion-feeding hyenas choke from it, instantly.

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Scarborough: Republicans are going to lose “in a big, big way” because of their gun votes

No. They’re going to lose in a big, big way because of their work to represent illegals and their insane push against the notion of sovereignty and the nation-state, in general, not to mention trampling all over our Constitution as they advocate for third world invaders who have no right to be here.

The only gun votes the GOP is going to lose because of are those of idiots like Toomey who colluded with the despicable, lying scumbag left.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Is there a more stupid female face on TV than Mika?

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Rachel Maddow comes to mind…unfortunately…

Khun Joe on April 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Another Republican who should have left us for the other side a long time ago…

melle1228 on April 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

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Slo Joe.

On a non-laughing matter, Joe, why did you resign mere months after winning reelection and does the name ‘Lori Klausutis’ mean anything to you?

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

The advocates for more gun control, people who don’t own guns and demand no one else own guns, is vastly outnumbered by those who do own guns.

Most people who don’t own guns don’t care much about the issue unless they’ve been victims of gun crimes so Joe’s just wrong.

Charlemagne on April 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

If Sandy Hook couldn’t help Statist gun grabs, what can?

mjbrooks3 on April 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Rachel Maddow comes to mind…unfortunately…

Khun Joe on April 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Maddow is female?

She look like a man.

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

No, Joe is right, in at least one case. Pat Toomey is going to lose in a big, big way because of his gun vote.

ROCnPhilly on April 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Gun Control better be an issue next year, and it should be used as a referendum on the entire Democratic party in every red state. Send a message to the National party: NO more Federal Legislation; your supposed blue dogs will be tossed to the curb as a warning.

Daemonocracy on April 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

And to think he calls himself a conservative.

D-fusit on April 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

No. They’re going to lose in a big, big way because of their work to represent illegals and their insane push against the notion of sovereignty and the nation-state, in general, not to mention trampling all over our Constitution as they advocate for third world invaders who have no right to be here.

The only gun votes the GOP is going to lose because of are those of idiots like Toomey who colluded with the despicable, lying scumbag left.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Yep this +1000

melle1228 on April 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I wonder if he has any interns there at MSNBC.

2lbsTest on April 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

If Lori had a gun, she might still be alive today.

Just tossing that out there.

Irony.

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Somebody needs to send Joe a case of Preparation H for that lingering butthurt he has going on there.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

If all that is true Joe, you should be eagerly awaiting that point when you can smugly tell us:
I told you so!

Me, I eagerly await your cancellation.

Another Drew on April 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

The far right is like the far left, the live in an echo chamber where their views are the views of the “normal” people. Only in America, and possibly Iran, would a minority of Alex Jones-leaning people be able to kowtow the political establishment into allowing radicals to own weapons of mass destruction. We don’t allow people to go into a bomb store and buy bombs – bombs are not for sale – why would we let them go into a gun store to buy guns?

And all of it stems from paranoia. Just ask any gun nut why any law restricting guns is something they oppose, and they will tell you in no uncertain terms that “gun control” is all part of a massive conspiratorial plot to disarm them so that the US government can come and do bad things to them.

This is a mental illness that exists in no other advanced nation on earth. Nobody else thinks like this except the crazies in the third world.

keep the change on April 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Can the GOP sue Joe S for claiming to be a Republican?

mjbrooks3 on April 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I would think the terrorist attack in Boston would hurt those who have been shilling for GC.

Blake on April 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Indeed, indeed, and they don’t even know it.

Faux and idiot Fred Barnes were avidly advocating for amenesty this a.m.

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Was it hubris?

thuja on April 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Is that a rhetorical question?

GWB on April 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM

So what’s super-de-dooper predictor Nate Silver’s thought on how many votes the GOP could gain if they built a campaign around the DNCs playing politics with Americans lives with thjngs like the sequester and trying to destroy our Constitutional liberties?

Skywise on April 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Doesn’t Scarborogh have to get back to promoting Jeb Bush for President?

Illinidiva on April 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Rachel Maddow comes to mind…unfortunately…

The question was a “female” face.

Another Drew on April 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

be able to kowtow the political establishment into

keep the change on April 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

English isn’t your thing. You don’t “kowtow someone into something”. They kowtow to you, you blithering idiot.

Where are you commenting from? Gaza, Cairo or islamabad?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Is there a more stupid female face on TV than Mika?

Diane Sawyer can give her a run. I found myself cringing when listening to her coverage of Boston. And then I noticed Brian Williams must have the same coach. Listening to their sing songy way of delivery is grating. Maybe not face but tone.

DanMan on April 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Looks like everyone’s other favorite fat unpopular teenager showed up.

There must have been a seminar today. None of the trolls showed up until about 3 o’clock.

CurtZHP on April 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

I would think the terrorist attack in Boston would hurt those who have been shilling for GC.

It might be, but GC isn’t going away until either we’ve been disarmed, or we’ve driven proponents out of office.

hawkeye54 on April 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

It will likely hurt in more liberal states. Kelly Ayotte’s approval rating is down 15 points since the vote and is now underwater.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/04/ayotte-faces-backlash-over-gun-vote.html

cam2 on April 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

“If you don’t trust Obama to protect your Second Amendment rights…”

O_o

Seven Percent Solution on April 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM

keep the change on April 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

You must not be familiar with the history of the Progressive movement. We “gun nuts” are.

Theirs is a history of incrementalism or baby steps. They advocate for small “common sense” changes over long periods of time. Who would oppose common sense? After enough time they’ve sneaked into the end zone.

Just look at Obamacare. The Leftists have been dreaming of and plotting a health care take over for generations and they are now almost there.

So when you say we’re crazy for thinking confiscation is the Left’s ultimate goal I say that we have history as a guide. WTH do you have?

Charlemagne on April 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

If Lori had a gun, she might still be alive today.

Just tossing that out there.

Irony.

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM

She may have been able to benefit from the expulsion of bodily fluids, but that self-defense technique hadn’t been invented yet.

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Rachel Maddow comes to mind…unfortunately…

Another Drew on April 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

I can literally go for weeks without doing that……

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

keep the change on April 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

You must not be familiar with the history of the Progressive movement. We “gun nuts” are.

Theirs is a history of incrementalism or baby steps. They advocate for small “common sense” changes over long periods of time. Who would oppose common sense? After enough time they’ve sneaked into the end zone.

Just look at Obamacare. The Leftists have been dreaming of and plotting a health care take over for generations and they are now almost there.

So when you say we’re crazy for thinking confiscation is the Left’s ultimate goal I say that we have history as a guide. WTH do you have?

Charlemagne on April 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, … Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.”

CurtZHP on April 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Is there a more stupid female face on TV than Mika?

Diane Sawyer can give her a run. I found myself cringing when listening to her coverage of Boston. And then I noticed Brian Williams must have the same coach. Listening to their sing songy way of delivery is grating. Maybe not face but tone.

DanMan on April 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Wow, this is loaded up, and raring to go!!

Hey, speaking of Clueless Females who should be stuck on
Pluto….Soledad O’brian has become a “fellow” at Harvard.
So you see, in Leftist Land, it really DOES pay to be
Mentally deranged Stupid.

ToddPA on April 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

keep the change on April 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Why aren’t you leading the charge to repeal that pesky 2nd-Amendment that the Founders imposed upon us, the un-enlightened?

Another Drew on April 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Soledad O’brian has become a “fellow” at Harvard.

ToddPA on April 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Who paid for the surgery?

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Who paid for the surgery?

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Addadicktome

VegasRick on April 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

I’m surprised that I made it to 4/5 of the way through that video. I foolishly kept thinking he might make a point that was at least coherent so that I could evaluate it. No luck.

WhatSlushfund on April 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Mika and Joe are threatening to reverse their sex changes and switch seats.

crash72 on April 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Mor to the on.

2Tru2Tru on April 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

You’re speaking to a handful, Scarborough, literally.

rickv404 on April 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Why aren’t you leading the charge to repeal that pesky 2nd-Amendment that the Founders imposed upon us, the un-enlightened?

Another Drew on April 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Because KTC thinks that the government should be able to “suspend” any rights that he/she thinks is archaic; proving that we need more than the Constitution to protect us from useful idiots who trust the government..

melle1228 on April 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

And all of it stems from paranoia.

keep the change on April 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

110% correct. Anyone who believes an inanimate object is capable of taking human life has likely left the paranoia station headed for delusional.

antipc on April 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Acknowledge move on dude

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Is there a more stupid female face on TV than Mika?

You can add that Melissa-your child belongs to the community-Perry to that list.

Barred on April 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Rightttttttttttt

Repubtallygirl on April 24, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Wrong Scarborough . . . you’ve been totally contaminated and brain washed by your leftist cohorts at MSNBC.-

rplat on April 24, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Diane Sawyer can give her a run. I found myself cringing when listening to her coverage of Boston. And then I noticed Brian Williams must have the same coach. Listening to their sing songy way of delivery is grating. Maybe not face but tone.

DanMan on April 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

I’m with you :) I never watch her show but I ended up watching the Boston coverage on a local ABC channel that at some point ceded coverage of the Boston bombers chase to ABC world news. I quote from memory: Diane Sawyer to one of the reporters in the field: ‘what exactly does it mean when the police say ‘the suspect is in custody? Reporter: : ‘it means the suspect in custody’. I mean you couldn’t make those exchanges up :)

jimver on April 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

They play like a B movie.

Look at these people. They are surrounded by all the trappings of “news journalism” supported by a budget that has got to be in the hundreds of millions. The ability to carry their voices all around the globe. A highly paid staff that has the ability to gather any number of facts and a mass amount of information on any subject or issue out there… and yet they are clueless. None of it is real. It’s all just a show. A lie. In reality… they hide facts and information. Or, at the least, are completely ignorant of both.

In spite of all the trappings, glamor and massive budgets and titles.. they are little people who live in tiny little worlds. They have tiny little minds and tiny little thoughts and every thing they spew from their tiny little mouths has nothing to do with what really is.

JellyToast on April 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Soledad O’brian has become a “fellow” at Harvard.

ToddPA on April 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

You’re kidding, right?

jimver on April 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

No. They’re going to lose in a big, big way because of their work to represent illegals and their insane push against the notion of sovereignty and the nation-state, in general, not to mention trampling all over our Constitution as they advocate for third world invaders who have no right to be here.

The only gun votes the GOP is going to lose because of are those of idiots like Toomey who colluded with the despicable, lying scumbag left.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Exactly.

Scarborough needs to get out for some fresh air every now and then. MSNBC is rotting his brain.

Murf76 on April 24, 2013 at 5:31 PM

I know what the Republicans can do to win over stupid Obama voters ,
they should ban pressure cookers in the US .
Imagine how many dumazz democrats will suddenly start voting Republican
:O

burrata on April 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM

VegasRick on April 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

+ 1 and totally awesome response!

rsherwd65 on April 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Only in America, and possibly Iran, would a minority of Alex Jones-leaning people be able to kowtow the political establishment into allowing radicals to own weapons of mass destruction. We don’t allow people to go into a bomb store and buy bombs – bombs are not for sale – why would we let them go into a gun store to buy guns?

keep the change on April 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

So, guns are WMD? Great. I guess you have resolved the question of whether Saddam had WMD once and for all.

And all of it stems from paranoia. Just ask any gun nut why any law restricting guns is something they oppose, and they will tell you in no uncertain terms that “gun control” is all part of a massive conspiratorial plot to disarm them so that the US government can come and do bad things to them.

Really?

Of course, it would be nice if we could get the thoughts of slaves, blacks abused under Jim Crow LAWS (that means GOVERNMENT), the 110,000 Japanese-Americans interned during WWII, the thousands of German-Americans interned by both Wilson and FDR during both world wars, the thousands of Italian-Americans that were interned in WWII, the more than 70,000 Americans who were FORCIBLY sterilised by their government, the Mormons subjected to Missouri Executive Order No 44 a/k/a the Mormon Extermination Order, the suffragettes/homosexuals/antiwar protestors incarcerated by Wilson, etc, on the record.

I’m sure that all of their experiences were just paranoid, figments of their imaginations.

This is a mental illness that exists in no other advanced nation on earth. Nobody else thinks like this except the crazies in the third world.

Luv, I’m from the UK…you know, a country where guns are ‘banned’ except for criminals. Do you know that the UK has a higher violent crime rate than even the very violent South Africa?

Country: # of violence crimes…rate/100,000 residents

1. UK: 1,158,957…2,034

2. Austria: 133,546…1,677

3. South Africa: 732,121…1,609

4. Sweden: 108,004…1,123

5. Belgium: 107,885…1,006

6. Canada: 306,559…935

7. Finland: 41,664…738

8. Netherlands: 111,888…676

9. Luxembourg: 3,233…565

10. France: 324,765…504

The US was: 1,318,398…466 (now 1,246,248… 403.6 in 2010)

Do you know that the homicide rate in the US is the lowest that it has been in nearly 5 decades, lower than it ever was during the AWB, and lower than any time when there has been a gun control push in the last century?

The AWB or CCW Laws: Which Has Had More Of An Impact On The Murder Rate?

Chart of the Day: United States Homicide Rate 1885-2012

Do you know that there are at least twice as many Bushmaster AR-15s now as there were in 1994, the year the AWB was passed, but the homicide rate is HALF of what it was then?

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Liberals are only onto guns and immigration because they don’t want to focus on jobs and the economy. Guns are going down and over at HP today they were pushing immigration to no avail. Even the D’s weren’t having any of it.

Tater Salad on April 24, 2013 at 5:39 PM

They will. I swear. They’ll lose in a big way in those conservative states of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maryland, New York and California. They would be shoe-ins in those states if they’d just ignore the 2nd Amendment (and the rest of the Constitution) to vote for what’s right. Joe Knows. And you know how I know he knows. Because Bo Knows was a commercial and Bo rhymes with Joe.

This makes as much sense as whatever Joe was blathering about.

njrob on April 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Who paid for the surgery?

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Doesn’t 0care cover that now? I guess we all did…

affenhauer on April 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM

I guess that Scarborough’s Big Boat Bash wasn’t as successful as he had hoped.

onlineanalyst on April 24, 2013 at 5:43 PM

They’re going to lose because of AMNESTY. I just don’t know whether to go Libertarian or go full stupid and join the communist democrats.

El_Terrible on April 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Scarborough better hope that background checks to ferret out the mentally ill never passes. If it does, he’ll never get a gun.

NOMOBO on April 24, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Wait- didn’t the bill fail because Democrats voted it down?

MTF on April 24, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Make no mistake: all politicians — even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership — hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because because it’s an X-ray machine. It’s a Vulcan mind-meld. It’s the ultimate test to which any politician — or political philosophy — can be put.

His attitude towards your ownership and use of weapons is a perfect litmus test. If he supports restrictions to the sale, purchase and storage of firearms, he’s saying he doesn’t trust you with a free man’s ultimate power: the power of life and death. He reserves that right for government-run law enforcement and military.
And if he doesn’t trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him? If he doesn’t want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

– L. Neil Smith

Socratease on April 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Wait- didn’t the bill fail because Democrats voted it down?

MTF on April 24, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Shh… we were always at war with Eastasia. Get with the program if you don’t want to be reeducated. Everything is the Republicans fault, always.

njrob on April 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Gun control advocates have historically made their biggest gains when crime rates, especially violent/murder rates, were high. Think of the sixties through the eighties.

With those rates dropping enormously over the past two decades, the issue of crime has fallen off the list of concerns of voters. And with that, concerns about guns. The two are linked.

No, this is going to have very little influence, if any, on elections next year. It’s a non-issue.

SteveMG on April 24, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Dont know why H. A. bothers. In my book, the faux-journalists at MSNBC are spectacularly irrelevent.

Erich66 on April 24, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Wait- didn’t the bill fail because Democrats voted it down?

MTF on April 24, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Yes, and that’s what has Mourning Joe’s panties in a twist. He knows how the gun bill failed and who is responsible, but he’s unwilling to turn cannibal on his fellow travelers. The lines he’s using were meant for if/when the House knocked down gun control, Joe surely expecting the Dem Senate to pass it. But they knifed him in the back, so to speak, after all the LSM efforts for so long to bring about the desired result.

Feelings of betrayal never sit well with liberals, making them tend to lash out blindly and incoherently.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Everything is the Republicans fault, always.

That always sells well with the low-info voting bloc.

hawkeye54 on April 24, 2013 at 6:01 PM

What do you expect? Scarborough is a bigger liberal than Mika. Always has been. Or should I just say “has been”.

MrX on April 24, 2013 at 6:04 PM

I would not at all be surprised to find out that Scarborough is taking “payola” under the table from Bloomberg.

Robert_Paulson on April 24, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Lil’ Joey Scarborough caters to the ‘low info voter’. They’ve got the same intellectual strengths.

GarandFan on April 24, 2013 at 6:09 PM

That’s it he is on painkillers. Gotta be. What a kook.

jake49 on April 24, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Gun control is, as Trende says, a proxy issue for ideology generally, which helps minimize the backlash over voting no on a bill that 90 percent of the public supports.

90% of the public did not support expanding background checks in general, much less this bill to expand background checks. That comes from a very generic question about whether people support background checks generally, and had nothing to do with whether background checks needed to be expanded.

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 24, 2013 at 6:12 PM

That always sells well with the low-info voting bloc.

hawkeye54 on April 24, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Sadly, I know. I’ve bashed my head against the wall often enough trying to explain how certain errors were the fault of the god king Obama. But they won’t accept it. Even when Obama had a 60 seat majority in the Senate and a vast majority of the House, everything bad was either Bush’s fault or the Republicans.

“Stupid is no way to go through life son.”

njrob on April 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Let’s get this out of the way first, the comments Scarborough made do not reflect the beliefs of the voters he used to represent, which may say something about why he’s not in Congress any more. Secondly, I’d love to know how many people have rethought their position after what happened in Boston. I can’t imagine being told I can’t go out and don’t answer the door, without having some sort of protection in my house.

The saying goes, “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.” Count the minutes between when the guy with the boat reported the terrorist there and the cops arrive. Just imagine if the terrorist had decided he wanted to hide in this guys house!!!

bflat879 on April 24, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Luv, I’m from the UK…you know, a country where guns are ‘banned’ except for criminals. Do you know that the UK has a higher violent crime rate than even the very violent South Africa?

Country: # of violence crimes…rate/100,000 residents

1. UK: 1,158,957…2,034

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 5:37 PM

The UK’s violent crime rate is higher than the US, but nowhere near as high as you report. The number you cite includes all offenses against the person, including simple assault, harassment, etc., while the US violent crime rate includes only murder, non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Because the UK and US define violent crime so differently, you’re comparing apples and oranges. For a more detailed explanation, see:
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/01/12/fact-checking-ben-swann-is-the-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

When you look at murder rates alone, the US is much, much higher than the UK and every other OECD country.
http://i0.wp.com/blog.skepticallibertarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/America-is-violent-graph.png

cam2 on April 24, 2013 at 6:20 PM

What they are also forgetting is that this isn’t a strict R vs D issue. I have some dippy relatives in MI who are pro-union and vote D for everything, but they also hunt and have concealed-carry permits. They won’t support gun control. They may not switch votes over the issue, but they would stay home if it were made into a central campaign issue, and I don’t think they’d be the only ones.

Boudica on April 24, 2013 at 6:21 PM

“She look like a man.“

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

THAT made me think of THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1zGvQ9WcWg

rottenrobbie on April 24, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Hahahahahahahahaahahaha

CW on April 24, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Joe there’s at least 300 million guns in the USA…..get a clue.

CW on April 24, 2013 at 6:23 PM

What is it about law abiding citizens that makes liberals afraid of us owning guns?

CurtZHP on April 24, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Bruno Strozek on April 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

+1

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GT on April 24, 2013 at 6:32 PM

What is it about law abiding citizens that makes liberals afraid of us owning guns?

CurtZHP on April 24, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Criminals are victims of society, which is why they own guns. It’s not really their fault, and they deserve every possible break that can be accomodated.

Law-abiding people who own guns (ours are now called ‘weapons of mass destruction’) are simply crazy and have an inherent nature and propensity toward violence. Any person who hasn’t been victimized by American society is clearly not in his right mind, and could go off at any time. While they can’t all be stopped, the means by which they kill must be restricted far as possible.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Obama really should “lean in hard” on anti-Gun Dems… maybe use his new OFA fundraiser that he won’t need for any future campaign to primary them with good hard leftists in states like Arkansas, Alaska, and Montana.

These are clearly Senators who are out of touch and these states will welcome Obama’s intrusion with support for a hard-left full on liberal Senate candidate.

I don’t see how this could possibly backfire.

gekkobear on April 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM

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