Kerry: Bombing suspect got radicalized in Chechnya

posted at 9:21 am on April 24, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

He did? We certainly suspect this might be the case, given Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s unusual six-month sojourn to Dagestan and Chechnya, but, er … no one has actually established that as fact. At least judging by media reports, the current case theory postulates that Tsarnaev self-radicalized, and apparently approached bombmaking with the same auto-didactic enthusiasm.  And yet, Secretary of State John Kerry told a Brussels press conference that Tsarnaev got radicalized in the Caucasus and came back to blow people up in Boston:

The question from the reporter, according to a transcript provided by the State Department, was, “Sir, with the problem we have that young people go to Syria (inaudible), does that matter also to the U.S., do you have the same problem?”

“Well, of course we have the same problem. We just had a young person who went to Russia, Chechnya, who blew people up in Boston. So he didn’t stay where he went, but he learned something where he went and he came back with a willingness to kill people,” said Kerry.

“I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law, but who just want to kill people because they don’t like what they see. There’s not room for that. That’s what we’ve been fighting against after all of the wars of the 20th century. Now we’re in the 21st century, and it’s time for a different organizational principle. And we need to, all of us, do a better job of communicating to people what the options of life are. And we’re open. Democracies are open to people participating in the democracy, not killing people. And so I hope that we can all figure out how we translate these better opportunities more effectively in our politics.”

You see, this is why government officials should exercise restraint when discussing criminal cases.  It’s not just that their comments might be seen as unfairly prejudicial, which is certainly one rational concern, but also that they end up sounding like idiots.  

This may have escaped the notice of America’s top diplomatic officer, but American officials are only now flying to Dagestan to start investigating exactly what Tamerlan did on his sabbatical:

A team from the U.S. embassy in Moscow is in Dagestan today to interview the parents of two brothers suspected of planting bombs at last week’s Boston marathon, ABC News has learned. …

Investigators want to know what Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the eldest brother, did in Dagestan, a restive region in southern Russia that is home to an Islamist insurgency, during a six month visit in 2012. Specifically they want to know if Tamerlan, who began linking to Islamic extremist web videos on YouTube after the trip, met any radicals or militants during his trip.

They’re coming from the US embassy? Shouldn’t the Secretary of State be informed of what happens at our embassies?

It’s more than possible that the investigators will find exactly what Kerry claims, but shouldn’t we wait until they actually find it first?  It hardly seems diplomatic to publicly blame Russia (and Dagestan and Chechnya are still part of Russia) for radicalizing Tsarnaev without some solid evidence first.


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“And we need to, all of us, do a better job of communicating to people what the options of life are. And we’re open. Democracies are open to people participating in the democracy, not killing people. And so I hope that we can all figure out how we translate these better opportunities more effectively in our politics.”

John Fn Kerry, Secretary of Peace.

fogw on April 24, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Alternate Headline:

“Kerry: US intel indicates gate was open before horse walked out, barn is now empty”

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 9:25 AM

I doubt Tammy could have entered Chechnya.

And frankly Dagestan is such a miserable place, I’m amazed he stayed for 6 months. Why? We know the guy liked the easy life. I’m sure the women waited on him hand and foot but beyond that, what was there for him to do?

Blake on April 24, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Huh? I thought it was American society that turned him ‘radical’?

These liberals can’t get their own narrative straight, can they?

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Is Kerry insinuating that a lack of a job turned him into a killer?

EnglishRogue on April 24, 2013 at 9:28 AM

MeanWhile,the Virgins are on hold…………….

Boston Marathon explosion

Boston mosque refuses to hold funeral service for dead marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, his aunt says – @NBCNews

1 hour ago from usnews.nbcnews.com by editor
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/24/17893358-boston-bomb-suspects-aunt-mosque-wont-bury-tamerlan-tsarnaev?lite

canopfor on April 24, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Huh? I thought it was American society that turned him ‘radical’?

These liberals can’t get their own narrative straight, can they?

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Confusing, isn’t it?

Meanwhile ol’ Horse Face is following the “I see nothing” template of Killary, and the terrorists of the world are gearing up for their shot at the Great Satan. Can you blame them, they see a soft target, softer than it’s ever been before.

Bishop on April 24, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Huh? I thought it was American society that turned him ‘radical’?

These liberals can’t get their own narrative straight, can they?

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Exactly, I thought it was boxing plus the crummy life of a US immigrant that made him kill.

thebrokenrattle on April 24, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Ich bin ein schmuck!

Shy Guy on April 24, 2013 at 9:32 AM

And yet the Ivy League educated MØRØN Hanoi John wants to double down and fund Al Qaeda and Chechen rebels in Syria, DUH!

Jayrae on April 24, 2013 at 9:33 AM

How are we going to survive the next 3+ years with these folls running our country?
Scratch that, I think I know the answer.

D-fusit on April 24, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Radicalized in Chechnya?

Thought it was on the Mekong, on the Cambodian border, on Christmas Eve or something?

John F. Kerry, redefining pompous dumb*ss downward, once again.

And our foreign policy is in his hands?

We are sooo screwed.

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Why sure John !
Why don’t you give those folks a quick dissertation on our belief in the Separation of Church and State.

That will win ‘em over any day. No ?

Jabberwock on April 24, 2013 at 9:34 AM

It’s more than possible that the investigators will find exactly what Kerry claims, but shouldn’t we wait until they actually find it first? It hardly seems diplomatic to publicly blame Russia (and Dagestan and Chechnya are still part of Russia) for radicalizing Tsarnaev without some solid evidence first.

It’s also possible that the investigators know more about what went on there than they have admitted. The interview with the terrorists’ parents is pro forma window dressing for the latest narrative being written to cover up this administration’s dogged attempt to make the Boston Marathon bombing a one off event and not yet another attack on American soil by adherents of the so-called religion of peace.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 9:35 AM

It hardly seems diplomatic to publicly blame Russia (and Dagestan and Chechnya are still part of Russia) for radicalizing Tsarnaev without some solid evidence first.

No, but it does seem political to determine he was radicalized elsewhere, since he turned out not to be a “right wing” nutjob.

Kerry himself admits as much in his quote:

And so I hope that we can all figure out how we translate these better opportunities more effectively in our politics.”

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on April 24, 2013 at 9:35 AM

And our foreign policy is in his hands?

We are sooo screwed.

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 9:33 AM

This administration runs foreign policy out of the West Wing. It is the rat-eared coward and Valarie Jarrett that are running foreign policy, not Kerry. That make you feel better?

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM

The upside, investigators are getting to Dagestan a hell of a lot faster than they got to Benghazi.

slickwillie2001 on April 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM

“I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law,

I think the last presidential election proves that theory wrong.

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Ummm, no?

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 9:42 AM

“I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system

Say what sucker ?

J_Crater on April 24, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Holly cow…

The media has way to many angles to cover..

Luckily we have way to many media outlets.

Electrongod on April 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM

to = too

Electrongod on April 24, 2013 at 9:45 AM

This administration runs foreign policy out of the West Wing. It is the rat-eared coward and Valarie Jarrett that are running foreign policy, not Kerry. That make you feel better?

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Indeed. Jean-Francois’ job is to simply parrot whatever The One and Ms. Delusion come up with. Unless of course he can come up with something even stupider on his own. Which, so far, he’s been pretty good at.

He’s starting to make Biden look almost…. incoherent. Which would be a step up for Joe, at least.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 24, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Who cares what Dogface has to say.

avagreen on April 24, 2013 at 9:47 AM

“And we need to, all of us, do a better job of communicating to people what the options of life are”.

Yes John,the next crew will paint a nice flower on the side of the bomb.

docflash on April 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM

And we need to, all of us, do a better job of communicating to people what the options of life are.

With all due respect, Mr. Secretary, #1 was brought here as a child, and grew up seeing and enjoying the freedoms and options we have here. He still chose to kill and maim. What more could have been said or done to show him that our way of life was better than the one he is trying to achieve?
You are a clueless, useful idiot, John.

Kissmygrits on April 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM

What difference does it make?!?

avagreen on April 24, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Radicalized by the Chechen Tea Party, right?

Good Lt on April 24, 2013 at 9:50 AM

“I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system“

Say what sucker ?

J_Crater on April 24, 2013 at 9:42 AM

I suspect he meant,

The world has had enough of people who have a belief system different from the Messiah, and really smart people like me

As witnessed by the rest of the paragraph.

Actually, John-Boy, we’re a bit sick of your belief system, too.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 24, 2013 at 9:50 AM

“I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law, but who just want to kill people because they don’t like what they see. There’s not room for that.

That sounds like the Obama administration Kerry is talking about. No belief system, no economic policy, no education policy, doesn’t enforce existing law (immigration-border security etc.) and last but not least—the dreaded DRONES.

Herb on April 24, 2013 at 9:53 AM

This administration all connects to DIFFERENT dots. Lord help us.

hillsoftx on April 24, 2013 at 9:53 AM

With all due respect, Mr. Secretary, #1 was brought here as a child, and grew up seeing and enjoying the freedoms and options we have here. He still chose to kill and maim. What more could have been said or done to show him that our way of life was better than the one he is trying to achieve?
You are a clueless, useful idiot, John.

Kissmygrits on April 24, 2013 at 9:49 AM

To be fair though, he grew up in a blue state, Yemen is a beacon of hope and prosperity in comparison.

Bishop on April 24, 2013 at 9:54 AM

From Walid Shoebat – very interesting piece of information as we learn more about his family:

Americans need to monitor Tsarnaev’s funeral; will he be washed and shrouded with white cloth, or if he is buried whole in his original clothes which he died in. This makes a big difference, since the second choice would mean that the family believes in his martyrdom.

But who in this naïve America even understands all this or are ready to monitor his funeral?

LordMaximus on April 24, 2013 at 9:57 AM

I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law, but who just want to kill people because they don’t like what they see.

Like the Palestinians Johnny?

I don’t even see how this applies to Tsarnaev… He had a belief system with a policy for how people are supposed to be educated and cared for… I seem to recall your boss has fond memories of that.

This sounds more like your basic talking points of you vs. the Tea Party…

(BTW on Fox News this morning one of the reporters was going on and on about how Tsarnaev was being trained by conservative Islamists…)

Skywise on April 24, 2013 at 10:01 AM

LordMaximus on April 24, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Who is Obama sending?

Or will he be there, himself?

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 10:01 AM

‘Cuz, like, um, it would be impossible for any Muslim to become radicalised in the United States.

Faisal Shahzad traveled to Pakistan on holiday, somehow drank some radicalised water and only then decided to go to Taliban bombmaking school so he could blow up Times Square.

Colleen Renee LaRose traveled to Pennsylvania, hooked up with a non-Muslim, who somehow caused her to convert to Islam and become radicalised, dumped him and miraculously transformed into Jihad Jane somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean on her way to wage jihad in Ireland.

Carlos Bledsoe was living a nice, quiet, Baptist life in Memphis when some ‘radical Muslim extremist chemtrail’ caused him to suddenly convert to Islam, fall in ‘love’ with jihad, leave the country for the very first time in order to travel to Yemen, and then return home and wage some up close and personal jihad on Private Andy Long and Private Quinton Ezeagwula.

Lurch, isn’t it a little arrogant, imperialistic, and racist to assume that the ‘bad Muslims only’ live overseas, preferably in some backwater country?

Besides, it totally contradicts your default ‘Blame America First!’ position.

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Shouldn’t the Secretary of State be informed of what happens at our embassies?

LOL

Ambassador Chris Stevens is unavailable for comment.

rbj on April 24, 2013 at 10:05 AM

I wonder if Romney is thanking God he lost the election. Imagine the hot water he’d be in with current events: the gun control bill, amnesty, the Boston bombings, and everything attached to them. Plus all else going on. Obama is untouchable, while Mitt would probably be hanged in effigy every day all over the LSM.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 10:05 AM

When does Kerry announce we have never been at war with Eastasia?

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 10:05 AM

If Romney were President there wouldn’t be gun-grabbing legislation or any real discussion of amnesty for the illegals. I’m not smart enough to say what the agenda was but it certainly wouldn’t be the one we’ve got. And Mitt wouldn’t be afraid to call the Boston Marathon bombing what it is- Islamic terrorism.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 10:12 AM

It’s more than possible that the investigators will find exactly what Kerry claims, but shouldn’t we wait until they actually find it first?

Maybe the Admin. knows more than they’re telling us.

rich801 on April 24, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Be sure to let the FBI know.
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Yup,the Agencies aren’t talking to each other……again!?

Press Relations » Daily Press Briefings » 2013 » April » Daily Press Briefing – April 23, 2013
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Patrick Ventrell
Acting Deputy Spokesperson
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
April 23, 2013
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TRANSCRIPT:
12:45 p.m. EDT
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QUESTION: Thank you. So the Canadian authorities have confirmed that they were working with the U.S. on these terror plots yesterday in Toronto. Can you give more details on the U.S. involvements? And also, what do we know about al-Qaida operations in Iran?

MR. VENTRELL: Sorry to disappoint, but I really refer you to the Department of Justice and the FBI in terms of law enforcement cooperation.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2013/04/207905.htm

canopfor on April 24, 2013 at 10:17 AM

(BTW on Fox News this morning one of the reporters was going on and on about how Tsarnaev was being trained by conservative Islamists…)

Skywise on April 24, 2013 at 10:01 AM

In fairness, their use of “conservative” in this instance would be to say that he was being trained by the *more stringent* – or most ‘orthodox’ – imams. It has nothing to do with “conservative” politics.

Solaratov on April 24, 2013 at 10:21 AM

He might as well have called himself a jelly doughnut. It would be just as foolish, but possibly do less damage to America’s position.

slickwillie2001 on April 24, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Breaking:

Beck is revealing AMAZING info on that Saudi kid. He was a terrorist, was on a a no fly list, and was classified as “armed and dangerous”. Beck names agents who createtd the 212-3B event file, says the saudi kid already had a 212-3B terrorist status!!! Original 212-3B file was attempted to be first altered and then destroyed, Beck has the email address of where those attempts originated, will reveal those emails later. Holy CRAP!

Weight of Glory on April 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM

In fairness, their use of “conservative” in this instance would be to say that he was being trained by the *more stringent* – or most ‘orthodox’ – imams. It has nothing to do with “conservative” politics.

Solaratov on April 24, 2013 at 10:21 AM

But most followers of the LSM wouldn’t see that. They’re long conditioned to equate ‘conservative’ with ‘Tea Party extremists and Christian fundamentalists’.

Fairness? We don’t get fairness like alcoholics don’t get excuses for drinking.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Beck is revealing AMAZING info on that Saudi kid. He was a terrorist, was on a a no fly list, and was classified as “armed and dangerous”. Beck names agents who createtd the 212-3B event file, says the saudi kid already had a 212-3B terrorist status!!! Original 212-3B file was attempted to be first altered and then destroyed, Beck has the email address of where those attempts originated, will reveal those emails later. Holy CRAP!

Weight of Glory on April 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Okay. So is the Saudi involved with the Marathon bombing or was he just a terrorist in the wrong place at the wrong time? And what did they take from his apartment?

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Isn’t it more likely that he went to Chechnya because he had already been radicalized?

steebo77 on April 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM

You see, this is why government officials should exercise restraint when discussing criminal cases. It’s not just that their comments might be seen as unfairly prejudicial, which is certainly one rational concern, but also that they end up sounding like idiots.

Agreed. It’s also why elected representatives should exercise restraint when voting to approve nominations to important posts.

Anyway, who’d of thought the Gaffemaster to jump to an early lead Idiot Marathon would be Kerry and not Hagel?

/bad puns

Dusty on April 24, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Okay. So is the Saudi involved with the Marathon bombing or was he just a terrorist in the wrong place at the wrong time? And what did they take from his apartment?

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 10:27 AM

It’s not just that he was a terrorist, he was a “known” terrorist. That means he was in the system on a no fly list. Yet he was admitted into this country on a special program that specifically waives background checks. He was supposed to be at a school in Ohio, but the school said he never showed up and never transfered. He then shows up in Boston, and after searching his home for 9 hours, the two NCTC agents that Beck named created a 212-3B file on him, only to discover that he already had a terrorist designation file (Beck is now clearing up that the previous designation may or may not have been a 212-3B but that he was already in the system as a terrorist). Beck then says that the event file was opened outside of the NCTC in order to first alter then to destroy the file. The email address of where that originated were logged by Beck and others, as well as copies of the original 212-3B file. He says he will release the email addresses.

Weight of Glory on April 24, 2013 at 10:42 AM

(BTW on Fox News this morning one of the reporters was going on and on about how Tsarnaev was being trained by conservative Islamists…)

Skywise on April 24, 2013 at 10:01 AM

In fairness, their use of “conservative” in this instance would be to say that he was being trained by the *more stringent* – or most ‘orthodox’ – imams. It has nothing to do with “conservative” politics.

Solaratov on April 24, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Remember when liberals called the Stalinist hardliners in the Soviet Union ‘conservatives’?

Gorbachev was the ‘liberal’ and the pure communists were ‘conservatives.’

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 10:43 AM

In fairness, their use of “conservative” in this instance would be to say that he was being trained by the *more stringent* – or most ‘orthodox’ – imams. It has nothing to do with “conservative” politics.
Solaratov on April 24, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Oh… Like conservative Catholics?

As in liberal Muslims don’t try to bomb people?

Skywise on April 24, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Okay. So is the Saudi involved with the Marathon bombing or was he just a terrorist in the wrong place at the wrong time? And what did they take from his apartment?

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Saudi money and organization is behind much of the islamic evil that’s being done around the world. Like the old saying goes – “With friends like that we don’t need…”

So at a guess, I’d say that “wrong place, wrong time” is pretty unlikely. As far as what they took from the apartment? Doesn’t really matter, since it’s all probably been returned by now. The Saudi’s weren’t visiting Barky to just wish him a happy spring day.

bofh on April 24, 2013 at 10:53 AM

And, so everyone who knew the bombers were so worried about offending them, so much so that when they went on tirades about America and 911 conspiracies that as they plotted and planned their religious war assault on innocent American citizens, those around them just kept completely silent sitting on their collective arses and did nothing to prevent it.

I wonder…. did the Bomber Bros watch any Al Jazeera?

Al Gore selling his dismally failing Current Network to Jehad propaganda network Al Jezerra could honestly connect him to aiding and abetting status.

See… souls can be bought for around $70 million!

ActinUpinTexas on April 24, 2013 at 10:57 AM

When does Kerry announce we have never been at war with Eastasia?

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 10:12 AM

What are you talking about? We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

Lily on April 24, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Lily on April 24, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Well, that’s very doubleplus ungood. :-)

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Now we’re in the 21st century, and it’s time for a different organizational principle.

And what might that be, Mr. Kerry?

PattyJ on April 24, 2013 at 11:20 AM

I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law, but who just want to kill people because they don’t like what they see. There’s not room for that.

No policy, huh? I think a certain somebody has been a legislator for too long.

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM

“I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law, but who just want to kill people because they don’t like what they see. There’s not room for that. ” ~ Village Idiot John Kerry

No belief system?? Who is he talking about here? Atheists?

starboardhelm on April 24, 2013 at 11:25 AM

“I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law, but who just want to kill people because they don’t like what they see. There’s not room for that. ” ~ Village Idiot John Kerry

No belief system?? Who is he talking about here? Atheists?

starboardhelm on April 24, 2013 at 11:26 AM

And what might that be, Mr. Kerry?

PattyJ on April 24, 2013 at 11:20 AM

The Third Reich comes to mind.

starboardhelm on April 24, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Sounds like the foundational principles of the current Obama Administration and its minions.

coldwarrior on April 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM

The man is practically incoherent. Forest Gump is better at expressing himself.

Ann on April 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM

“I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law,

I think the last presidential election proves that theory wrong.

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM

+1000

Best of the month

in_awe on April 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM

This dope is SecState? Jezz! NKorea could steal the Statue of Liberty, take us 2 dayd to find out.

StevC on April 24, 2013 at 12:20 PM

What difference does it make?!?

avagreen on April 24, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Exactly. What they are trying to do is find anything, anyone to blame. It’s not our fault, it’s not the terrorists fault, i.e. the devil made him do it.

Oh and let’s have some more immigration from all of the Countries that hate us. That’s where the fault/blame lies.

Idiots all!

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM