Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on April 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

Rubio really is a one-man conservative outreach program when it comes to this bill. His ties to the tea party base are so deep that reformers were constantly worried he’d abandon negotiations rather than risk an inevitable backlash by signing onto a compromise. Rubio made light of the dynamic at a press conference introducing the legislation on Thursday when he took the podium, said “Actually, I changed my mind,” and pretended to walk off.

It’s created tension at times with more progressive reformers, but Rubio’s general strategy has been to acknowledge conservative complaints about the bill even while he refuses to back off his support. After reform skeptics in the Senate complained the process was moving too fast, for example, he fought to make sure there were multiple hearings on the bill. He’s spent much of the week appearing on conservative talk radio shows, many of which are hosted by skeptics — even leading opponents — of reform. And his office launched a website devoted entirely to knocking down “myths” about immigration reform, including a false claim this week on conservative blogs that the bill would give free “amnesty phones” to undocumented immigrants.

“It’s tragic that a nation of immigrants remains divided on immigration,” Rubio said at the presser.

None of the other “Gang of 8” Republicans have particularly strong followings on the populist right, so Rubio is really the only option when it comes to this kind of outreach. He’ll face another big test this month containing the fallout from the Boston bombing, where he’s already trying to ease Republican concerns about the bill’s national security implications.

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Extrapolating 2012 voting trends to elections several cycles in the future is an inherently speculative exercise. Under a 13-year path to citizenship, this would mean most undocumented immigrants could join the voting rolls in the 2028 presidential election (though the proposed 5-year timeline for citizenship under the DREAM Act and for agricultural workers would start the process even earlier than that). But it is one that highlights the political sword hanging over Republicans as they consider immigration reform with a path to citizenship, an idea that is already deeply unpopular with many red-state constituencies.

To support the measure virtually guarantees millions of new Democratic voters. But for Republicans to oppose immigration reform invites hostility among Hispanic-Americans who already are punishing the GOP and imperiling its electoral prospects…

If Republicans do nothing to repair their relationships with current and future Latino voters, “we certainly won’t be a national political party anymore,” said GOP strategist Steve Schmidt, a top adviser to John McCain in 2008.

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But the legislation’s most critical amnesty comes right away, before even the pretense of beefed-up security. Illegal aliens will get their illegal status removed six months after the bill is passed upon payment of $500. The formerly illegal aliens will be allowed to remain in the country legally, under so-called “probationary status,” for ten years (while those who wish to enter the country legally wait patiently in their home countries for permission to enter). This lawful presence is virtually everything that most would-be illegal aliens hope for, since few cross the border with any desire to become U.S. citizens. After the 1986 amnesty, the naturalization rate of newly legalized Hispanics remained depressed. Only after the passage of California’s Proposition 187, which barred illegal aliens from receiving government benefits, did Hispanic petitions for citizenship increase somewhat…

The political effects of the proposed amnesty won’t benefit the GOP, whatever the party’s hopes might be. Hispanics will not shift their vote to Republicans in the next presidential election unless Republicans promote the same big-government programs, such as Obamacare, that attract Hispanics to the Democratic Party in the first place. So Republican handwringing over how to woo the Hispanic vote will begin all over again, and the next solution will be to convert probationers immediately to legal permanent-resident or citizenship status. Expect to hear the mantra: “Bring the probationers out from the shadows.”

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Cruz hasn’t yet decided whether to become the face of the opposition. But if he does, the Texan could burnish his conservative credentials and establish himself as a right-wing foil to Rubio as well as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) — who has expressed support for legalizing undocumented immigrants — in a potential 2016 bid.

But if Cruz were to lead the fight against the comprehensive plan, it could also spark a revolt from the large — and growing — population of Texas Hispanics who opposed his candidacy in large numbers in 2012. Cruz’s thinking will be on fresh display Monday, when witnesses testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee could be subjected to his prosecutorial style of questioning…

“I briefed him on it and his staff, but I don’t think he’s prepared to support it — he’s got a lot of questions, and they’re legitimate questions,” Rubio said…

Last year, Cruz was losing the Hispanic vote by about 30 percent in a state where there were 4.4 million Latino voters last cycle, amounting to more than 27 percent of the electorate, according to polling conducted on the eve of the election by the firm Latino Decisions. Immigration was the second most important issue behind the economy for Latino voters in Texas, according to the firm.

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Breitbart News: What do you make of the conservative response to the Senate bill so far?

Rep. Ryan: I don’t think it’s a unified response. I think there have been different views. We’re the party who believes in the rule of law and economic growth. We’re the party that believes in upward mobility and opportunity. And so we’re the party who believes in a functional immigration system, and the principles we’re talking about are important principles, and if they are embodied in immigration reform it will be successful in a long-term, enduring way.

Breitbart News: Do you trust the Democrats to make a commitment to border security?

Rep. Ryan: We’re trying to negotiate. Now is not the time to question the other side’s motives.

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“We could have had a bill that was crafted by [Sen.] Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), or we could have a guy like Marco fighting his tail off in the Senate trying to make sure we didn’t end up with a bill that was a Democratic party wish list,” said Florida based Republican strategist Rick Wilson. “I’m all for calling out the stupid. But [conservative critics] are engaging in some red on red fratricide that is both unnecessary and dangerous and will have a net result that is negative for Republicans and conservatives.”…

In a statement to BuzzFeed, Pollak wrote, “Sen. Rubio enjoys enormous respect among conservatives and was given a great deal of leeway at first. As more details of the bill have emerged, however, it has become clear that he cannot deliver on his promise to achieve security first. In addition, the rushed process is a repeat of Obamacare. Increasingly, Rubio is representing the ‘Gang of 8′ to conservatives, rather than representing conservatives to the ‘Gang of 8.’ Rubio has in many ways made himself the ‘face’ of the bill by making it a signature issue and, among other things, appearing on a record seven talk shows in one day to promote it. In 2010, Rubio was elected over Charlie Crist because conservatives wanted to fight the go-along-to-get-along establishment. Hence growing concern about his support for this fatally flawed, 844-page bill that we are told must be passed within a few weeks.”…

“I have no animus towards Rubio… If he went out in a straightforward way [and said], ‘We need amnesty and we are going to spend all this money on border enforcement’ that would be one thing, but that he has fake border triggers that are trying to con conservatives seems unfortunate. And then if you have to wonder, how much does Rubio know what’s actually in the bill,” Kaus said…

“I’ve been calling it Schumer-Rubio. That’s not an accident. Also, Schumer has not been the one calling Schumer-Rubio opponents, ‘hysterical.’ That has been Rubio’s job,” [Conn Carroll] wrote. “There is clearly a campaign by pro-amnesty forces to brand all conservatives who oppose amnesty as racists. Rubio, unfortunately, appears to be leading that campaign.”

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The strange thing about the Republican members in the Gang of Eight debate is that to ram through immigration legislation, they and their supporters are beginning to adopt the same sort of tactics that we have seen used by the Left during the fights over Obamacare and gun control: obfuscate the issue by imprecise vocabulary and ahistorical allusions; demonize your opponents with all sorts of crazy accusations of quasi-tolerance of “slavery” to abortion; create a false sort of urgency (we are supposed to pass this very minute the huge and mostly unread immigration bill in the manner of the huge and unread Obamacare bill); and speak loftily of principles and humanitarianism when the issue is mostly driven by electoral politics and demography.

Finally, given the language of Conant and others, they are managing to turn off their own reasonable supporters, who are more than willing to consider a “pathway to citizenship” for those who are free of a criminal past, are not on public assistance, and are long-term residents — if only the assurances to enforce those provisions and ensure border security were believable. The present hysteria, invective, and mass rush to legislate suggest that they might not be.

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Schumer ran rings around Gang of Eight Republicans. Those Republicans gave away the store on every important issue. This immigration bill is a disaster. But why? Were our negotiators just stupid? I don’t think so. They were desperate. They believed that it was necessary to put the immigration issue “behind them” if the party was to prosper. Schumer used that desperation to stampede our negotiators into buying a bad bill…

They’re acting out of desperation, and what we’ve gotten from that is a disaster of a bill. Well it’s got to stop. Republicans need to snap out of it, wake up, and kill this bill. Circumstances have changed. Obama lost on the sequester and lost on gun control. The left is tearing itself apart on energy issues and making a fool of itself on terrorism. There’s no need for conservatives to go along with nonsense like this bill. It’s time to stop the surrender. This spirit of capitulation ends here, ends now.

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Regardless, if this is a time for choosing — and one gets the sense that it is — then I’m more concerned about long-term consequences than short-term setbacks. It is much more likely (and problematic) for the GOP to damage its image for a generation, than to lose some House races in 2014.

If the bill fails, it probably also matters how it goes down. Does it fade away (less likely), or does it go down in a blaze of glory? Is it perceived that Republicans are solely to blame (highly probable), or can the blame be spread around (as with the failed gun control bill)?

These are not arguments for passing bad legislation, but I suspect opponents of immigration reform underestimate the potential consequences.

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The Senate will be first to act this year, and the bill needs 60 votes to pass. With Mr. Rubio supporting it, Mr. Graham says it can get 70 votes, including half of the 45 Republicans. He suggests passage by 48 Democrats and 22 Republicans. That’s optimistic but not impossible…

Mr. Bell, a former adviser to Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp, goes further, arguing that Republicans shouldn’t worry about who gets credit for successful reform. “If Democrats get 10 times more credit, it’s still in Republicans’ interest,” he says. “It will free them” to compete for votes that, more often than not, were beyond their reach.

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Don’t Come Around Here No More – Petty

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 11:55 PM

I almost forgot ………. is that something like a “corndog”?

listens2glenn on April 23, 2013 at 11:46 PM

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*Glares*

annoyinglittletwerp on April 23, 2013 at 11:49 PM

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Oooooooooooooooooooh . . . . . . . . . . . that never feels good.

listens2glenn on April 23, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Inspired by his latest idiocy today, but still a work in progress (there’s so much material!)…

‘Cuz Nanny Napoleon Doomberg Knows Best…

M2RB: Napoleon XIV

He’d be hysterically funny…if he weren’t serious and in a position of power.

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 11:56 PM

First 2 hours of radio. He’s dribbling it out which I get. Brietbart style. Who are the Congressman in on it? Or on to it? That have the paper?
Is the Saudi the bank?

All I know is napoleontano is lying her ass off.

wolly4321 on April 23, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Have you seen this?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/22/beck-breaks-exclusive-information-on-saudi-national-allegedly-connected-to-boston-bombings/

Lot of active links within the article also.

bluefox on April 23, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Losers

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Axe, I’m a redhead and intensity seems to be tied genetically.

Did you know Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington were redheads? Not to mention Elizabeth I and Churchill. There are a few other rabble-rousers as well. Since it’s Petty night, this is our theme song:

I Won’t Back Down – Petty

INC on April 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 11:55 PM

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! ! !
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‘jack beat me. : (

listens2glenn on April 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Marco Rubio and the rest of the GOP!

As another meaning as Chrissy Amphlett also past away this week.

uncommon sense on April 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Don’t Come Around Here No More – Petty

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Petty Parody.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Good evening, Ken. How was your day? :)

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 11:59 PM

listens2glenn on April 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

LOL! :) Sorry, it was the final link in the series.

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:00 AM

I almost forgot ………. is that something like a “corndog”?

listens2glenn on April 23, 2013 at 11:46 PM
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*Glares*

annoyinglittletwerp on April 23, 2013 at 11:49 PM

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The first *glare*.
Should have gone for the horn dog, man.

RovesChins on April 23, 2013 at 11:51 PM

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I can’t tell ….. should that get a “rim-shot”?

listens2glenn on April 24, 2013 at 12:01 AM

“I’ve never argued against any technology being used when you have an imminent threat, an active crime going on,” Paul said. “If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and fifty dollars in cash. I don’t care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him.”

Say it ain’t so!

claudius on April 24, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Good evening, Ken. How was your day? :)

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 11:59 PM

An excellent day until Scrumpy departed. I hope that her time away is short. It is wonderful to see you! Rubio is being an ass, but the tunes are good..

KCB on April 24, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Immigrant Song – Led Zeppelin

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Maintenant Je Sais

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 12:03 AM

DEAL!!

williamg on April 24, 2013 at 12:03 AM

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Hi Jackie, long time no tunes :-0

uncommon sense on April 24, 2013 at 12:03 AM

All I know is napoleontano is lying her ass off.

wolly4321 on April 23, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Have you seen this?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/22/beck-breaks-exclusive-information-on-saudi-national-allegedly-connected-to-boston-bombings/

Lot of active links within the article also.

bluefox on April 23, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) said on Tuesday that law enforcement may have known in advance about the Boston Marathon suspects’ bombing plans. Speaking to local Atlanta Channel 2 Action News, Chambliss said, “There now appears that may have been some evidence that was obtained by one of the law enforcement agencies that did not get shared in a way that it could have been. If that turns out to be the case, then we have to determine whether or not that would have made a difference.”

So what is Chambliss talking about? The FBI? Big Sis? Boston PD?

It’s hard to imagine that Boston PD wouldn’t share any infor they had on a possible terrorist attack.

INC on April 24, 2013 at 12:03 AM

listens2glenn on April 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

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LOL! :) Sorry, it was the final link in the series.

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:00 AM

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I wasn’t really trying for it, but when I saw I was second after you ……………….. sooo close. Almost a “hat trick”.

listens2glenn on April 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM

I almost forgot ………. is that something like a “corndog”?

listens2glenn on April 23, 2013 at 11:46 PM
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*Glares*

annoyinglittletwerp on April 23, 2013 at 11:49 PM

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The first *glare*.
Should have gone for the horn dog, man.

RovesChins on April 23, 2013 at 11:51 PM

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I can’t tell ….. should that get a “rim-shot”?

You clowns keep messin with ALT. At.your.peril.

KCB on April 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM

KCB on April 24, 2013 at 12:02 AM

I’m delighted that everything went well for you today. :)

Scrumpy will come back. She’s upset, and it’s understandable.

How many of us have felt just that way from time to time?

The Glade will be here when she’s ready. :)

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM

…..as in “BAD” Deal!

williamg on April 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM

I can’t for the life of me, against their own base voters, with the two faced promises of Schumer and Obama they haven’t basically thrown open the borders.. the GOP leadership is Hell bent on allowing the democrats to import near 30 million socialist loving voters..

They will never win these voters over, when the so called Hispanic media and left tell them everyday, the GOP hates Hispanics.. It’s a full on indoctrination project which starts in Mexico with the Obama people posting ads on how to apply for food stamps before they even cross the border..

This happens, I’m going to support the red states seceding ,.. let the left ruin their own states.. we aren’t going to become serfs to the left wing and work to bankroll their open theft of a democracy anymore.

mark81150 on April 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM

More Weird Al.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Learning to fly

KCB on April 24, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 12:03 AM

You do? :)

Good evening, Schadenfreude. Wonderful to see you, as always. :)

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Madame Nostalgie

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 12:07 AM

INC- yea. Maybe they don’t see it at all. Or maybe they think it as a one
off. The evil. But come on, I’m no scholar and I see it.

I find it hard to believe someone like me reads more about history. I’m a dirtball landscaper.

I’d like to think they have read more than I have. Only a very stupid man wouldn’t see what’s so obvious.

Repeated history. Willfully blind.

wolly4321 on April 24, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Meet the welfare t
errorist…somehow I knew this but thought he might be selling drugs…maybe both?

d1carter on April 23, 2013 at 11:37 PM

That doesn’t surprise me at all. Don’t most of them receive taxpayers’ benefits? This administration has a website and last I heard are running ads in Spanish on how to apply for benefits. So I’m sure they run ads in other Countries as well.

Don’t dismiss the Drugs. Those 3 men that had their throats slashed were all Jewish. Also they were way way past ages to be going to school. 37? and still in school? A lot of smoke believe me.

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 12:07 AM

……… is that something like a “corndog”?

listens2glenn on April 23, 2013 at 11:46 PM

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*Glares*

annoyinglittletwerp on April 23, 2013 at 11:49 PM
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The first *glare*.
Should have gone for the horn dog, man.

RovesChins on April 23, 2013 at 11:51 PM

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Not. Enough. Proz@c. On earth.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 11:54 PM

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I’m already HOGGING it all.

listens2glenn on April 24, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Rubio really is a one-man conservative outreach program when it comes to this bill. His ties to the tea party base are so deep that reformers were constantly worried he’d abandon negotiations rather than risk an inevitable backlash by signing onto a compromise. Rubio made light of the dynamic at a press conference introducing the legislation on Thursday when he took the podium, said “Actually, I changed my mind,” and pretended to walk off.

Wow, I guess the remake is job, not jive.

arnold ziffel on April 24, 2013 at 12:07 AM

bluefox on April 23, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Fallon has hit a rough patch. The Gulch has gathered around her, and she’s managing it pretty well.

wolfsDad on April 23, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Oh, thanks. Will tend to that.

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 12:08 AM

You clowns keep messin with ALT. At.your.peril.

KCB on April 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM

What an awesome song… *smiles*

annoyinglittletwerp on April 24, 2013 at 12:08 AM

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 12:07 AM

How very cool. :) I hadn’t heard that… I’m going to go exploring later. I bookmarked it. Thank you. :)

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:08 AM

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM

True. I have my times. Gonna have a martini with you one day Jackie. Count on it!

KCB on April 24, 2013 at 12:08 AM

Learning to fly

KCB on April 24, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Could be my theme song.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 24, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Marco’s new theme song!

uncommon sense on April 24, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Baba O’Riley – The Who

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Speaking of flying…

annoyinglittletwerp on April 24, 2013 at 12:10 AM

INC on April 23, 2013 at 11:47 PM

We thought we saw a light in 2010, but it was just the headlight with Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy driving the train.

bw222 on April 24, 2013 at 12:11 AM

Evening Jackie :)

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 12:11 AM

To quote Jerry and Bobby:

“Doncha’ let that DEAL go down! Doncha’ let that DEAL go down! Doncha’ let that DEAL Go DOWN!

williamg on April 24, 2013 at 12:12 AM

Want to see Obama slam the border shut with tanks..

Tell him we’re canvassing Europe for all the disgruntled conservatives alienated by the left and telling em to slip in through Canada, and we’ll give em amnesty, and citizenship..

Why not..

The left is stealing a country, why not throw open the borders to right leaning voters, whatever the source.. we’d probably get fewer potential jihadists than they would.. if the game is rig the system..

kick over the card table..

mark81150 on April 24, 2013 at 12:12 AM

Rubio’s theme song (just the title)

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Inspired by his latest idiocy today, but still a work in progress (there’s so much material!)…

‘Cuz Nanny Napoleon Doomberg Knows Best…

M2RB: Napoleon XIV

He’d be hysterically funny…if he weren’t serious and in a position of power.

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 11:56 PM

‘I would argue if you want to sell your gun to your son, maybe you have a problem in your family.’

- Billionaire Doomberg

rotf

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/04/cuz-nanny-napoleon-doomberg-knows-best.html

That post is nuts. :) I mean, you know, the substance of it. Not the post. The “posted,” I suppose. The posted of that post is nuts.

Now that guy strikes me as unintelligent. I don’t understand it.

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:13 AM

idesign on April 23, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Well, that’s interesting. Do I need to ask who the idiots are going to listen to?

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Demons and Wizards – Uriah Heep

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 AM

mark81150 on April 24, 2013 at 12:12 AM

It’s what they do, the progressive elites won’t be happy until all of your independence is history.

uncommon sense on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 AM

wolly4321 on April 24, 2013 at 12:07 AM

History can give perspective. I saw a fb photo from the Federalist Papers that said History Is An Early Warning System. So true! Not just history, but good fiction gives perspective.

I don’t believe some of these Congress critters read much at all nor do they appear to think in a lot of depth.

INC on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Tom Petty and some friends

KCB on April 24, 2013 at 12:15 AM

How about obeying the law. Where do Latinos stand on that ?

rik on April 24, 2013 at 12:16 AM

We thought we saw a light in 2010, but it was just the headlight with Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy driving the train.

bw222 on April 24, 2013 at 12:11 AM

:)

Time to throw the switch and send them back to the yard.

INC on April 24, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Flight…into the abyss - immigration

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 12:17 AM

You guys are moving really fast tonight, but just so you know, I’m in 3rd and staying there. So I might lag. Plus, I’m trying to remember where I buried SparkPlug. You may have noticed he isn’t here. I’ll find him — I swear.

Anyway, I may lag. My mellow is unharshable. I’m relaxed into my center bits like a rubber-band-driven propeller-plane that’s completely released.

Anyway, I may lag.

*Cheeto*

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:17 AM

I am in awe of this. I almost can’t believe the GOP is about to do this. It’s literally committing electoral suicide, AND flipping off its base.

Even by the GOP’s standards, this is low, real low.

I’ve warned you for years, they WILL betray you.

Yet you’ll continue to do the bidding of Limbaugh and Hot Air and just keep voting these Judas’ into power.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on April 24, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Blind Eye – Uriah Heep

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Why?

Why is it imperative that this amnesty bill (which it is) MUST be passed in the “next few weeks”? Is the gang of 8 afraid that the illegal aliens will all go home if the bill isn’t rushed through?

WHAT is the rush on it? Why is there no time for hearings, discussion, debate and citizen participation in this process?
Are we going to be subjected to another, “pass the bill to find out what’s in it” operation?

This whole rush to get it rammed through without any discussion stinks out loud. And it looks more and more like the gang that can’t shoot straight is trying to pull a(nother) fast one on us.

Solaratov on April 23, 2013 at 11:29 PM


The RUSH is to get whatever Inside-The-Beltway agenda items they can get put in place before October and the ObamaCare clusterfark becomes the focus of attention.
When Obamacare kicks in, it is GAME OVER for the economic entity known as the U.S.A.

I am always amazed that MOST of the regular commenters on this website are completely indifferent about the economic state of affairs of this country.

(Note: The occasional economic posts on this website ALWAYS draw the LEAST number of comments.)

Let’s hit just a few of the WARNING BELLS, shall we?

- every media source is steadfastly pumping the propaganda that things are bad but might get better any minute now … but since March 2009 every single improvement is tied to the QE Uber Alles campaign of the Federal Reserve – take away the QE and the markets will be back to the March 2009 lows overnight … and then disintegrate.

- the bulk of our trading partners have negotiated direct currency exchange agreements for ALL their import/export trade with each other. The media (including this website) don’t bother to tell you this will allow these countries to END the dollar as the global reserve currency as soon as … tomorrow … if they choose to do so. WHEN, not if, this happens – every piece of paper currency you own will be immediately be reduced in value by 90% in less time than it took for both the bombs to go off in Boston.

- when was the last time you heard of ANY Republican leader raising a ruckus about the state of the economy???? Do you think this is by accident??? EVERY OTHER thing will be used to distract people – so far we’ve had guns, last week terrorists, this week immigration; I wouldn’t be surprised if they trotted out space aliens next.

- China is going to experience it’s first recession in over 20 years; ALL of the wealth of every person, company and bank vault in the EU is nowhere near enough to cover the debt owed by the EU; and just in case you missed it – Obama had to take a LOSS on gun control because there ISN’T ANY MONEY LEFT to hand out the usual Senatorial pork! (the piggy bank is EMPTY, folks)

Oh … the real reason for the RUSH to get an immigration deal done – the illegal immigrants are all very used to the idea of poltiial corruption and abuse of power - the folks running this country want as many of those folks as they can possibly get.

PolAgnostic on April 24, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:17 AM

The stone lying in the bed of the stream. The current flows over and around, but the stone is unmoved. :)

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:20 AM

This is what the GOP will wake up to!

uncommon sense on April 24, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Excellent. :)

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:21 AM

uncommon sense on April 24, 2013 at 12:20 AM

If they pass this, I’m finished with the GOP. They can ruin the nation without me.

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Rubio wants to be the first Hispanic President. Ryan wants to be President too, but demonstrated last fall that he isn’t much of a campaignen.

I got so frustrated with Levin that I will stop listening for a while. He bashes the other seven and attacks a columnist from the Washington Examiner who wrote a column critical of Rubio. Rubio is the guy leading the puch for amnesty and Levin keeps defending him.

bw222 on April 23, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Regarding Rubio and or Ryan wanting to be President..My message to them would be we already have one with no experience and don’t want anymore.

I get aggravated at Levin over Rubio also. He had a blind spot with Michelle Bachmann when she was running for Pres too. I don’t think he’s defending Rubio on this Immigration debaucle, since he hates it.

However, I have to give Levin much credit as he is the only one that covers so many important issues of the day. And he explains them so well.

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 12:22 AM

If they pass this, I’m finished with the GOP. They can ruin the nation without me.

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:21 AM

They have already ruined it with out us.

uncommon sense on April 24, 2013 at 12:22 AM

I’d like to know why Kansas. North Dakota would be the best choice to go first (since they could definitely survive separation)

nobar on April 23, 2013 at 11:51 PM

That’s true. I had forgotten about North Dakota. (Sorry, N.D.) I could see them partnering with South Dakota, too, and pulling out.

Kansas has just passed a really tough pro-Second Amendment set of laws which will definitely put them at loggerheads with the feds. And I believe that they’re breaking with the feds over ‘common core’ education.
It could be nothing more than wishful thinking on my part – but it would be nice to have someplace relatively close to run to when the SHTF.

Solaratov on April 24, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Highway Song – Blackfoot

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:24 AM

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:24 AM

how about this?

uncommon sense on April 24, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Axe, I’m a redhead

I had no idea. :)

and intensity seems to be tied genetically.

I believe you. :)

Did you know Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington were redheads? Not to mention Elizabeth I and Churchill. There are a few other rabble-rousers as well.

I had no idea.

Since it’s Petty night, this is our theme song:

I Won’t Back Down – Petty

K.

INC on April 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Wow.

INC is channeling Faust Wertz tonight. :)

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:26 AM

I don’t believe some of these Congress critters read much at all nor do they appear to think in a lot of depth.

INC on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 AM

How right you are. They’re entirely au courant on McCarthyism without a clue about the countervailing content of the Venona papers.

wolfsDad on April 24, 2013 at 12:26 AM

This modern GOP party – petty

uncommon sense on April 23, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Well I feel like this and this.

arnold ziffel on April 24, 2013 at 12:26 AM

That stone in the stream never met a pressure cooker.

wolly4321 on April 24, 2013 at 12:26 AM

INC on April 24, 2013 at 12:14 AM

I would agree with you that in fact history is the warning sign, except I think you would be better served using the Anti-Federalist papers for that argument. (“I smell a rat”) Remember Hamilton was a monarchist, and it wasn’t until that ginger named Jefferson got him back under control that Madison saw the light and started to put on the brakes. Remember too that in reality when they wrote the Constitution it was actually against what was agreed upon, they were only supposed to amend the Articles.

MarshFox on April 24, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:13 AM

He really is totally, bloody unfv(kingbelievable. He actually said all of those quotes and I’ve got tonnes more.

I need Bmore to make something for me.

Remember Field of Dreams and the scene where Shoeless Joe Jackson emerges from the cornfield and asks Ray: ‘Hey… is this heaven?’ and Ray replies ‘No. It’s Iowa.’?

I want a picture of Kevin Costner on his Waterworld raft-craft-boat-whatever in his ‘The Mariner’ gear speeding away from a dystopic police state. Leaning into the frame is Shoeless Joe Jackson, who asks ‘The Mariner’:

‘Hey…was that Hell?’

To which, Costner’s ‘The Mariner’ replies:

‘No. It was Bloombergland.’

lol

Resist We Much on April 24, 2013 at 12:27 AM

There are a handful of GOP congress members who are fighting this bill. I will support them in their efforts and will also help to get them re-elected.

Any member who votes for this bill will never have a vote from me, and I will actively volunteer my time, my skills, and my money to whomever chooses to primary them.

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Axe,
Stay mellow my friend:;

MarshFox on April 24, 2013 at 12:29 AM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on April 24, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Wish someone had said warned us sooner.

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:29 AM

*said

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:29 AM

wolly4321 on April 24, 2013 at 12:26 AM

It’s a philosophy, Wolly.

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:29 AM

So what is Chambliss talking about? The FBI? Big Sis? Boston PD?

It’s hard to imagine that Boston PD wouldn’t share any infor they had on a possible terrorist attack.

INC on April 24, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Since this is Chambliss, I think he has mixed up what he’s heard. I haven’t read anything to what he’s trying to refer to. Perhaps he’s speaking of the interview the FBI had with #1 at Russias’ request and the no follow up? That’s the only thing I can think of.

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Today we must all be aware that political expediency and latino ethnicity takes precedence over rule of law and constitutional procedure. However you say – WHAT THE – what does this mean… in relation to the tabulation whereby we must once again realize that the great reconquesta story is now being rehearsed before our very eyes, in the rise of Marco Rubio… indicating that only a two-faced … I mean a bi-faced … I mean a bi-polar … I mean a bi-lingual hombre can receive…the award for reconquesta, unlike Kenyan Hussein Obama whose reconquesta plans don’t drink water.

Amigos – comrades – muchachos – friends, we are gathered here as an edifice of the great glory that is now vanishing and the intuitive feeling, based on the assumption as Mencken once said, “He who underestimates the American public will never go broke.” This is merely a small indication to behold and to perceive that which has gone way into the behind and to that which might project .. I mean go forward … out of the mouth … I mean .. the future…we’ve got to rip up the constitution so we can rip down those outdated borders!

Senors y Senoritas, Ladies and Gentlemen. The time will come when a first world America will outlive its usefulness. Marx, either Groucho or Karl, I can’t remember which, maybe it was both or maybe it was Harpo, once said that America is the opiate of the people. I say that when America outlives its usefulness and becomes a majority latino nation , then opium…will be the opiate…Ahh that’s not a bad idea… we are going to need that badly especially when the booze runs out …

And the completely unbiased and bi-partisan panel, has determined to give the grand prize to Marco Rubio for his EARNESTY’S RAINBOW. Now EARNESTY’S RAINBOW is a token of this man’s genius…he told me so himself and repeatedly …that he could change perceptions by calling his plan for knocking down those pesky borders EARNESTY …in other words, he could have been more specific, but rather than to allude to an articulation of the mundane, he has come to the conclusion that brevity is the importance of our nation’s shallow first world existence. God damn!

Marco Rubio’s . EARNESTY’S RAINBOW – is a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 450 of them … million live in the United States and Mexico which is a very, very small amount compared to those who will be miserable and dying elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where citizenship is a commodity and a politician can become a TV personality, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…

But I do want to thank la Raza…I mean the RNC … I mean the DNC and it’s subsidiary the RNC, the organization for the $1,000 in affirmative action latino scholarships they’ve given out…tonight they took in over $4,000,000, but they do have expenses for their consultants you know, and I think that I have another appointment. I would like to stay here, but for the sake of brevity I, I must leave. I do want to thank you, and I want to thank Marco Rubio – acting el Presidenta of la Raza Mexiamerica and also Mr. Obama – acting Pharaoh and Drone Commander of the World – and also I want to thank Professor Irwin Corey and thank you. …

RasThavas on April 24, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:26 AM

I’m a bottled redhead(though red hair runs in my family) does that count?

annoyinglittletwerp on April 24, 2013 at 12:31 AM

uncommon sense on April 24, 2013 at 12:20 AM

If they pass this, I’m finished with the GOP. They can ruin the nation without me.

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:21 AM

If that happens, you’ll enjoy Independence. It goes with s*** kickers stepping out of ‘vettes. :)

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:32 AM

“HOW do ya Do It, HOW do ya DO it, HOW DO ya DO IT? VOLUME, VOLUME – TURN UP THE VOLUME!”

williamg on April 24, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Bad Company – Bad Company

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:33 AM

mark81150 on April 24, 2013 at 12:04 AM

We need to keep in mind that this massive immigration flood of aliens if passed, won’t apply to only Mexico. Many illegals from all over the world enter our Country via Mexico. Terrorists included.

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:32 AM

lol! You’d be surprised just how independent I’ve always been. :)

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Marco Rubio is literally more dangerous to the survival of the Republic than is al Qaeda. Rush Limbaugh and Marl Levin had both better man up and cast him out or the Founding Fathers will come back from the dead and rip them limb from limb.

VorDaj on April 24, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Marco Rubio should be declared an enemy combatant.

VorDaj on April 24, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Y’all been waiting for this- admit it.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 24, 2013 at 12:37 AM

arnold ziffel on April 24, 2013 at 12:26 AM

hey piggy, how’s it going? hope Mrs. Ziffel is well. This seems to work as well.

uncommon sense on April 24, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Son lo spirito (Mefistofele – Arrigo Boito) Samuel Ramey

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2013 at 12:37 AM

I suppose Rubio’s amnesty would also include his friends the Libyan and Syrian “rebels”.

VorDaj on April 24, 2013 at 12:38 AM

*Cheeto*

I’m a bottled redhead(though red hair runs in my family) does that count?

annoyinglittletwerp on April 24, 2013 at 12:31 AM

. . . Twerp, you are your own species, dude. :) Hey, you ever consider that bright purple/red anime look?

You know, I think I could pull that off. . . .Its just that straight guys don’t do that so I’d never get a date again. With a woman, I mean. Which would be sad, because I sort of hoped, one year, I could do that. McDonalds or something nice.

Anyway, I’ve seen your mug. I think you could do anime purple.

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:38 AM

“Change your shorts, change your life – change into a 9 year-old Hindu boy, get rid of your wife!…”

williamg on April 24, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Rove et al. are taking the lead from Ruy Teixeira. The left has been gaming this for a long time. Teixeira’s book in 2002 is now seen as prophetic…and wise. It is all demographics.

The Rs are making a long term gamble…take the short term mega-hit and bite the bullet on immigration. Legalize hispanics. Over the intermediate term, say 10 -15 years, they will be able to become a centrist part that can win. Honestly 2016 is shot anyway..and they know it. The earliest possible win is 2020 after 12 years of Left wing governance.

They don’t see a downside. The left/media/activists groups are going to keep the drums beating until it happens anyway…do it now, get it over with. Bring forth a New R party…Center, maybe Center-left. Then the argument will strictly be socialism, or socialism-lite.

here’s Teixeira interviewed at Tpm after the election

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/forget-nate-silver-meet-the-guy-who-called-2012-in-2002.php

How big a difference would Republican support for comprehensive immigration reform make? That seems to be the most popular suggestion among establishment Republicans this week.

I think it runs deeper. I think they have to do a pretty thorough rethink and move to the center and that includes not just immigration, but broader social issues like same sex marriage. And the thing they have the hardest problem with: they will have to some day dump this quasi-libertarian approach to government in which tax increases are verboten while military spending has to be raised. I think it’s just not what people want, but especially not what the constituencies they’re being beaten so badly with want.

imho, the risk is that this will happen every 20 years, tick tock. Rs will be a permanent deep minority party…60/40 for a generation…or two

r keller on April 24, 2013 at 12:38 AM

I’m gonna crash. Good night my HA friends!

Any member who votes for this bill will never have a vote from me, and I will actively volunteer my time, my skills, and my money to whomever chooses to primary them.

thatsafactjack on April 24, 2013 at 12:27 AM

100% with you!

KCB on April 24, 2013 at 12:39 AM

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