Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on April 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

Rubio really is a one-man conservative outreach program when it comes to this bill. His ties to the tea party base are so deep that reformers were constantly worried he’d abandon negotiations rather than risk an inevitable backlash by signing onto a compromise. Rubio made light of the dynamic at a press conference introducing the legislation on Thursday when he took the podium, said “Actually, I changed my mind,” and pretended to walk off.

It’s created tension at times with more progressive reformers, but Rubio’s general strategy has been to acknowledge conservative complaints about the bill even while he refuses to back off his support. After reform skeptics in the Senate complained the process was moving too fast, for example, he fought to make sure there were multiple hearings on the bill. He’s spent much of the week appearing on conservative talk radio shows, many of which are hosted by skeptics — even leading opponents — of reform. And his office launched a website devoted entirely to knocking down “myths” about immigration reform, including a false claim this week on conservative blogs that the bill would give free “amnesty phones” to undocumented immigrants.

“It’s tragic that a nation of immigrants remains divided on immigration,” Rubio said at the presser.

None of the other “Gang of 8” Republicans have particularly strong followings on the populist right, so Rubio is really the only option when it comes to this kind of outreach. He’ll face another big test this month containing the fallout from the Boston bombing, where he’s already trying to ease Republican concerns about the bill’s national security implications.

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Extrapolating 2012 voting trends to elections several cycles in the future is an inherently speculative exercise. Under a 13-year path to citizenship, this would mean most undocumented immigrants could join the voting rolls in the 2028 presidential election (though the proposed 5-year timeline for citizenship under the DREAM Act and for agricultural workers would start the process even earlier than that). But it is one that highlights the political sword hanging over Republicans as they consider immigration reform with a path to citizenship, an idea that is already deeply unpopular with many red-state constituencies.

To support the measure virtually guarantees millions of new Democratic voters. But for Republicans to oppose immigration reform invites hostility among Hispanic-Americans who already are punishing the GOP and imperiling its electoral prospects…

If Republicans do nothing to repair their relationships with current and future Latino voters, “we certainly won’t be a national political party anymore,” said GOP strategist Steve Schmidt, a top adviser to John McCain in 2008.

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But the legislation’s most critical amnesty comes right away, before even the pretense of beefed-up security. Illegal aliens will get their illegal status removed six months after the bill is passed upon payment of $500. The formerly illegal aliens will be allowed to remain in the country legally, under so-called “probationary status,” for ten years (while those who wish to enter the country legally wait patiently in their home countries for permission to enter). This lawful presence is virtually everything that most would-be illegal aliens hope for, since few cross the border with any desire to become U.S. citizens. After the 1986 amnesty, the naturalization rate of newly legalized Hispanics remained depressed. Only after the passage of California’s Proposition 187, which barred illegal aliens from receiving government benefits, did Hispanic petitions for citizenship increase somewhat…

The political effects of the proposed amnesty won’t benefit the GOP, whatever the party’s hopes might be. Hispanics will not shift their vote to Republicans in the next presidential election unless Republicans promote the same big-government programs, such as Obamacare, that attract Hispanics to the Democratic Party in the first place. So Republican handwringing over how to woo the Hispanic vote will begin all over again, and the next solution will be to convert probationers immediately to legal permanent-resident or citizenship status. Expect to hear the mantra: “Bring the probationers out from the shadows.”

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Cruz hasn’t yet decided whether to become the face of the opposition. But if he does, the Texan could burnish his conservative credentials and establish himself as a right-wing foil to Rubio as well as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) — who has expressed support for legalizing undocumented immigrants — in a potential 2016 bid.

But if Cruz were to lead the fight against the comprehensive plan, it could also spark a revolt from the large — and growing — population of Texas Hispanics who opposed his candidacy in large numbers in 2012. Cruz’s thinking will be on fresh display Monday, when witnesses testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee could be subjected to his prosecutorial style of questioning…

“I briefed him on it and his staff, but I don’t think he’s prepared to support it — he’s got a lot of questions, and they’re legitimate questions,” Rubio said…

Last year, Cruz was losing the Hispanic vote by about 30 percent in a state where there were 4.4 million Latino voters last cycle, amounting to more than 27 percent of the electorate, according to polling conducted on the eve of the election by the firm Latino Decisions. Immigration was the second most important issue behind the economy for Latino voters in Texas, according to the firm.

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Breitbart News: What do you make of the conservative response to the Senate bill so far?

Rep. Ryan: I don’t think it’s a unified response. I think there have been different views. We’re the party who believes in the rule of law and economic growth. We’re the party that believes in upward mobility and opportunity. And so we’re the party who believes in a functional immigration system, and the principles we’re talking about are important principles, and if they are embodied in immigration reform it will be successful in a long-term, enduring way.

Breitbart News: Do you trust the Democrats to make a commitment to border security?

Rep. Ryan: We’re trying to negotiate. Now is not the time to question the other side’s motives.

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“We could have had a bill that was crafted by [Sen.] Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), or we could have a guy like Marco fighting his tail off in the Senate trying to make sure we didn’t end up with a bill that was a Democratic party wish list,” said Florida based Republican strategist Rick Wilson. “I’m all for calling out the stupid. But [conservative critics] are engaging in some red on red fratricide that is both unnecessary and dangerous and will have a net result that is negative for Republicans and conservatives.”…

In a statement to BuzzFeed, Pollak wrote, “Sen. Rubio enjoys enormous respect among conservatives and was given a great deal of leeway at first. As more details of the bill have emerged, however, it has become clear that he cannot deliver on his promise to achieve security first. In addition, the rushed process is a repeat of Obamacare. Increasingly, Rubio is representing the ‘Gang of 8′ to conservatives, rather than representing conservatives to the ‘Gang of 8.’ Rubio has in many ways made himself the ‘face’ of the bill by making it a signature issue and, among other things, appearing on a record seven talk shows in one day to promote it. In 2010, Rubio was elected over Charlie Crist because conservatives wanted to fight the go-along-to-get-along establishment. Hence growing concern about his support for this fatally flawed, 844-page bill that we are told must be passed within a few weeks.”…

“I have no animus towards Rubio… If he went out in a straightforward way [and said], ‘We need amnesty and we are going to spend all this money on border enforcement’ that would be one thing, but that he has fake border triggers that are trying to con conservatives seems unfortunate. And then if you have to wonder, how much does Rubio know what’s actually in the bill,” Kaus said…

“I’ve been calling it Schumer-Rubio. That’s not an accident. Also, Schumer has not been the one calling Schumer-Rubio opponents, ‘hysterical.’ That has been Rubio’s job,” [Conn Carroll] wrote. “There is clearly a campaign by pro-amnesty forces to brand all conservatives who oppose amnesty as racists. Rubio, unfortunately, appears to be leading that campaign.”

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The strange thing about the Republican members in the Gang of Eight debate is that to ram through immigration legislation, they and their supporters are beginning to adopt the same sort of tactics that we have seen used by the Left during the fights over Obamacare and gun control: obfuscate the issue by imprecise vocabulary and ahistorical allusions; demonize your opponents with all sorts of crazy accusations of quasi-tolerance of “slavery” to abortion; create a false sort of urgency (we are supposed to pass this very minute the huge and mostly unread immigration bill in the manner of the huge and unread Obamacare bill); and speak loftily of principles and humanitarianism when the issue is mostly driven by electoral politics and demography.

Finally, given the language of Conant and others, they are managing to turn off their own reasonable supporters, who are more than willing to consider a “pathway to citizenship” for those who are free of a criminal past, are not on public assistance, and are long-term residents — if only the assurances to enforce those provisions and ensure border security were believable. The present hysteria, invective, and mass rush to legislate suggest that they might not be.

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Schumer ran rings around Gang of Eight Republicans. Those Republicans gave away the store on every important issue. This immigration bill is a disaster. But why? Were our negotiators just stupid? I don’t think so. They were desperate. They believed that it was necessary to put the immigration issue “behind them” if the party was to prosper. Schumer used that desperation to stampede our negotiators into buying a bad bill…

They’re acting out of desperation, and what we’ve gotten from that is a disaster of a bill. Well it’s got to stop. Republicans need to snap out of it, wake up, and kill this bill. Circumstances have changed. Obama lost on the sequester and lost on gun control. The left is tearing itself apart on energy issues and making a fool of itself on terrorism. There’s no need for conservatives to go along with nonsense like this bill. It’s time to stop the surrender. This spirit of capitulation ends here, ends now.

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Regardless, if this is a time for choosing — and one gets the sense that it is — then I’m more concerned about long-term consequences than short-term setbacks. It is much more likely (and problematic) for the GOP to damage its image for a generation, than to lose some House races in 2014.

If the bill fails, it probably also matters how it goes down. Does it fade away (less likely), or does it go down in a blaze of glory? Is it perceived that Republicans are solely to blame (highly probable), or can the blame be spread around (as with the failed gun control bill)?

These are not arguments for passing bad legislation, but I suspect opponents of immigration reform underestimate the potential consequences.

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The Senate will be first to act this year, and the bill needs 60 votes to pass. With Mr. Rubio supporting it, Mr. Graham says it can get 70 votes, including half of the 45 Republicans. He suggests passage by 48 Democrats and 22 Republicans. That’s optimistic but not impossible…

Mr. Bell, a former adviser to Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp, goes further, arguing that Republicans shouldn’t worry about who gets credit for successful reform. “If Democrats get 10 times more credit, it’s still in Republicans’ interest,” he says. “It will free them” to compete for votes that, more often than not, were beyond their reach.

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Where is the Super PAC devoted to running ads explaining to people why amnesty is wrong? I would donate to it.

bluegill on April 24, 2013 at 3:25 AM

It is far more tragic that Marco Rubio cannot distinguish between a nation of legal immigrants and one of foreign invaders here to suck dry our nation’s safety net.If Congress can develop a plan that costs the American taxpayers millions to reward illegals with a path to citizenship over the next 13 years,it could just as easily develop one to deport them all over the same time period,ultimately paid for by savings realized by their discontinued use of free health care,education,welfare and food stamps.The failure of Congress to commit to such a plan is not a matter of feasability,but a lack of will.Apparently our national sovereignty pales to insignificance when faced with the potential gold-mine of 11 million plus new voters,most of whom will be totally dependent on government assistance for their survival.How many “pieces of silver”did it take for you to betray this nation, Marco?

redware on April 24, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Man… the future for the Republican party and America looks incredibly bleak. I’m still in shock how Obama managed to win re-election with his terrible record. The demographics are changing in favor of the Democrats and they’ll eventually get millions of new voters when all those illegal immigrants get to vote. In the meantime, the Dems will continue to run the country into the ground while managing to largely avoid the blame for it and even successfully pin the blame for it on Republicans. People will turn to Democrats for support from the economic disaster caused by them and continue to vote them into power. Add to that the Rights failure in dealing with the MSM media who will push the Dem agenda while attacking Republicans and I don’t see how the Republicans are going to win in any meaningful way to get the country back on track and reverse the damage inflicted by the Dems. The last election was a game changer. The Dems can get away with just about anything. They might have a few setbacks here and there but in the long run they will win out and the US is doomed because of it.

gumble on April 24, 2013 at 4:11 AM

Republicans could sponsor and pass an immigration bill that included full amnesty to all, and open the borders to all comers for a year, and they still would not gain Hispanic votes. They’d just be hated as “pandering racists”. I get so angry when I see people separated from their families and working hard to LEGALLY come to this country. Why don’t we clear their cases before we give amnesty to the ones who sneaked in and don’t deserve it? The problem has been going on since Reagan’s big amnesty deal, why does it suddenly need to be solved this week?

I’m so frustrated. I guess we have finally reached some kind of critical mass where the schools have churned out a full generation of brainwashed morons, who are now raising the second generation of people who have never played outside by themselves, never questioned the other side of an argument, never NOT gotten a trophy in sports, and never celebrated achievement so as not to hurt the losers’ feelings… The list goes on. And they just don’t see it. I am feeling very defeated.

Boudica on April 24, 2013 at 5:13 AM

“It’s tragic that a nation of legal immigrants remains divided on illegal immigration,” Rubio said at the presser.

Edited for clarity.

Yes, it is tragic. But not in the way he means.

farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 6:16 AM

To support the measure virtually guarantees millions of new Democratic voters. But for Republicans to oppose immigration reform invites hostility among Hispanic-Americans who already are punishing the GOP and imperiling its electoral prospects…

So opposing illegal “immigration” is a no win situation?

May as well surrender to the inevitable then, is that it?

farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 6:19 AM

good morning

gop are delusional if they really think this will help them in the next couple of elections…

just handing out welcome papers….we remain divided immigrants because half of us want folks to follow the law and the other half don’t really care about the law, just want votes…mmmkay marco?

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 6:29 AM

morning joe must be loving this
Gabby Giffords is running gun control ads against folks who voted against the gun control bill…hello, vote has come and gone

these folks won’t survive their primaries/generals according to Joe

keep dreamiing there bub

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Boudica on April 24, 2013 at 5:13 AM

well said

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 6:36 AM

O/Y: “Drone Wars: The Adventures of Rand Skywalker” My take.

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 6:37 AM

Let the states simply refuse to comply with this crap sandwich if it passes. If an illegal is caught, drive him to the state border and drop him in his new state. If they state feels the same, they take him to the next border. And so on until the illegal reaches California. He’s not deported from the country. He’s simply deported from where he was found.

Washington can go to hell with this one. Come to think of it, for a lot of other things under Obama, too.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Actually “O/T”…it’s early, y’all. Mornin’.

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

hear hear

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM

morning joe must be loving this
Gabby Giffords is running gun control ads against folks who voted against the gun control bill…hello, vote has come and gone

these folks won’t survive their primaries/generals according to Joe

keep dreamiing there bub

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 6:34 AM

The gun bill wasn’t supposed to lose in the Senate. That’s what the liberal talking heads can’t handle, and why they’re in such a tizzy they can’t stop nagging about it. I bet they believe that if they keep nagging, the Senate will simply say, “Okay, let’s have another vote.”

Mourning Joke, his crew, and all the others like them are degenerate children who need to be duly spanked and sent to bed without supper.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:44 AM

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM

morning KJ
nice take :)

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 6:44 AM

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 6:44 AM

Thankyaverymuch…ma’am.

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 6:46 AM

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:44 AM

heh

finally going to talk about gosnell

tingles,’why does it matter why he did it’
idiot…

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 6:46 AM

heh

finally going to talk about gosnell

tingles,’why does it matter why he did it’
idiot…

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 6:46 AM

They’re going to be all over the story now that it’s time to present the defense. I bet even nonpartisan, who thinks it should be ignored, will be on every thread telling us the latest news/excuse why we are wrong about Gosnell and why he should be let go.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

or they will bash him and say hes an outlier and this is the reason why we need safe abortion places….

unstinkingbelievable

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 6:52 AM

In other news…

In a rare display of knowing what are top priorities needing government attention, Washington state has formally changed the name of the school subject ‘penmanship’ to the more gender-neutral name ‘handwriting’. With the stroke of a pen, liberals score another victory in the important matters of the day.

The kid who got suspended from school and arrested for wearing an NRA T-shirt returned yesterday. Wearing the same shirt! Other kids wore the exact same shirt, too. The evil bigoted little brats!

You know, I’m still trying to figure out when, exactly, I woke in this liberal Cartoonland that used to be my country.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:59 AM

Naturally Curly on April 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

geez louise

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:59 AM

Jan 2009?

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 7:06 AM

Naturally Curly on April 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

Must have been a pretty generous dole, considering extended trips to the motherland, fancy cars and a relatively comfortable lifestyle. We haven’t had a vacay in quite a while, but then again we’re taxpayers. Must be nice to be illegal and supported.

indypat on April 24, 2013 at 7:06 AM

so we are going to blame W for the boys’ motivation to bomb?
-morning joe talking heads

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM

indypat on April 24, 2013 at 7:06 AM

got 11+ million more coming aboard

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

indypat on April 24, 2013 at 7:06 AM

No kiddin’…they were probably getting SMAP, also.

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

On Tuesday, Massachusetts Health and Human Services spokesperson Alec Loftus confirmed to the Boston Herald that deceased Boston bombing ‘Suspect 1′ Tamerlan Tsarnaev received welfare benefits from the state until 2012.

The whole family was on the dole. But they just wanted a better life here in the land of milk and honey!

Naturally Curly on April 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

I hope someone in Congress uses this to try stopping the ‘immigration’ bill.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM

That’s “SNAP”. It’s still early.

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 7:12 AM

so we are going to blame W for the boys’ motivation to bomb?
-morning joe talking heads

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM

They’re not going to let ‘Obama’ and ‘Boston bombers’ be used in the same sentence, so why not?

Actually, I think they’re going to sweep the whole affair under the rug. The kid will cop a plea, no more details like exactly what explosive they used and where they got it will be released, and the kid will spend the rest of his life in Federal prison incummunicado. They want this mess to go away.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:14 AM

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:14 AM

i think you are right

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 7:16 AM

That’s “SNAP”. It’s still early.

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 7:12 AM

The more of this story comes out the more one has to question where the money was coming from. Lone wolves my eye! Somebody was paying and it wasn’t the Tsarnaevs.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:17 AM

The spokesman refused to say how much they were getting. But here in NJ, Section 8 pays $1800 per month for a 3-bedroom apartment. Plus all the other freebies.

Life is good when you’re spending other people’s money.

Naturally Curly on April 24, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:17 AM

Yep. The administration’s b.s. story is unraveling before our eyes.

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 7:19 AM

Actually, I think they’re going to sweep the whole affair under the rug. The kid will cop a plea, no more details like exactly what explosive they used and where they got it will be released, and the kid will spend the rest of his life in Federal prison incummunicado. They want this mess to go away.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:14 AM

As I posted when Ed was defending the decision to try this scum in federal court (as opposed to military tribunal). This administration isn’t going to seek the death penalty for a 19-year-old sociopath. They need to make this a “kid” led astray by his older and conveniently dead brother.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Yep. The administration’s b.s. story is unraveling before our eyes.

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 7:19 AM

True but that didn’t matter with Benghazi and it does not matter here. They have no intention of really finding out which part of the “religion of peace” funded this operation because they have made the claim that terrorism on American soil has not happened during this administration. They have no intention of seeking justice for the dead and maimed because it does not fit the narrative that this was just a one off incident. And they sure as hell are not going to explore all the failures of the FBI, DHS, and our immigration system.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:22 AM

On Tuesday, Massachusetts Health and Human Services spokesperson Alec Loftus confirmed to the Boston Herald that deceased Boston bombing ‘Suspect 1′ Tamerlan Tsarnaev received welfare benefits from the state until 2012.

The whole family was on the dole. But they just wanted a better life here in the land of milk and honey!

Naturally Curly on April 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

So, did they use obamaphones to carry out their nefarious deed? I wish we had the answer to that.

renalin on April 24, 2013 at 7:23 AM

Somebody was paying and it wasn’t the Tsarnaevs. Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:17 AM

Agreed. Is this where the Saudi who was visited by Flotus comes in? So much more to this story.

indypat on April 24, 2013 at 7:23 AM

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:22 AM

You’re right. Pookie and ‘dem won’t care, and those of us who do, are already shouting from the mountaintops.

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 7:24 AM

As I posted when Ed was defending the decision to try this scum in federal court (as opposed to military tribunal). This administration isn’t going to seek the death penalty for a 19-year-old sociopath. They need to make this a “kid” led astray by his older and conveniently dead brother.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:20 AM

I agree, they’re not going to fry him. Even if they intended to, his hero status among the Left would mean a huge media fight. This will be ‘behind us’ in six months.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:25 AM

Where is the Super PAC devoted to running ads explaining to people why amnesty is wrong? I would donate to it.

bluegill on April 24, 2013 at 3:25 AM

…why don’t you donate your time instead?
FULL TIME!

KOOLAID2 on April 24, 2013 at 7:26 AM

So, did they use obamaphones to carry out their nefarious deed? I wish we had the answer to that.

renalin on April 24, 2013 at 7:23 AM

If so, that will be one of the most closely held secrets that the angry military-hating lesbian holds.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:26 AM

I agree, they’re not going to fry him. Even if they intended to, his hero status among the Left would mean a huge media fight. This will be ‘behind us’ in six months.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:25 AM

Oh, not entirely behind us. I give it only a few more weeks before the left starts sporting “Free Dzhokhar” t-shirts.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:22 AM

tru dat

cmsinaz on April 24, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Oh, not entirely behind us. I give it only a few more weeks before the left starts sporting “Free Dzhokhar” t-shirts.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM

Forgot about that. Sadly, you may be right.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:34 AM

Even if the Administration gave them the backpacks……

Who would care?

PappyD61 on April 24, 2013 at 7:36 AM

This little nugget is on Drudge right now.

Zubeidat Tsarnaeva Tells CNN: “I Don’t Care if My Youngest Son Is Killed. I Don’t Care If I Am Killed. I Will Say Allahu Akbar!”

Folks, this is why the Dems are scrambling to try and keep the Tsarnaevs out of the immigration debate. Here we have a family who were allowed to enter this nation, immediately went on welfare, and came to hate America enought they have no remorse about killing four and maiming hundreds. This too is part of “immigration” and needs to be discussed along with the amnesty reform bill making its way through the Senate.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:39 AM

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:39 AM

That’s why the rush is on to ram the bill through. The Feds are sitting on as much information as possible, so that no details can be used to slow or derail the monstrosity. Much is at stake, the least of which is all that pork.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:45 AM

Related question:

The left was bound and determined that the bombers would be anti-tax Tea Party white guys. When that blew up in their faces (pun intended), they’ve bent over backwards to make the Tsarnaevs into victims not terrorists. What do you suppose the narrative would have been if the bombers had indeed been white guys?

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:47 AM

Rubio doing dirt to become a made member in the RNC crime faily.

Wigglesworth on April 24, 2013 at 7:48 AM

What do you suppose the narrative would have been if the bombers had indeed been white guys?

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:47 AM

We would know everything about them since they were born, including which hospital. There would be talk of all their possible motives, and forensic psychologists giving a timeline of how they went from being innocent infants to becoming dangerous anti-Obama extremists.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:51 AM

On Tuesday, Massachusetts Health and Human Services spokesperson Alec Loftus confirmed to the Boston Herald that deceased Boston bombing ‘Suspect 1′ Tamerlan Tsarnaev received welfare benefits from the state until 2012.

The whole family was on the dole. But they just wanted a better life here in the land of milk and honey!

Naturally Curly on April 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

This is another reason why we have an illegal alien problem and huge deficits. Legal immigrants assimilate into the welfare state so they aren’t working the low end jobs in significant enough numbers. That’s where the illegal aliens come in to fill the labor gap. The immigration reform bill does nothing to prevent this cycle from continuing.

Wigglesworth on April 24, 2013 at 7:54 AM

“It’s tragic that a nation of immigrants remains divided on immigration,” Rubio said at the presser.

First of all, the premise of this argument is wrong. I am not an immigrant. My maternal ancestors were here before the Revolutionary war and my paternal ancestors came during the first half of the 19th century. They were immigrants. I and my family, going back generations, are not.

Secondly, we are mainly talking about illegal immigration today but even legal immigration was tightly controlled until the later half of the last century.

Rubio is little more than a political hack who has not studied history or he is a fool who has succumbed to just another liberal lie. Either way, he and the other RINOs who support this amnesty are going to lose not only the national elections for republicans, but their own seats as well. Irony.

fight like a girl on April 24, 2013 at 7:55 AM

First of all, the premise of this argument is wrong. I am not an immigrant. My maternal ancestors were here before the Revolutionary war and my paternal ancestors came during the first half of the 19th century. They were immigrants. I and my family, going back generations, are not.

Secondly, we are mainly talking about illegal immigration today but even legal immigration was tightly controlled until the later half of the last century.

Rubio is little more than a political hack who has not studied history or he is a fool who has succumbed to just another liberal lie. Either way, he and the other RINOs who support this amnesty are going to lose not only the national elections for republicans, but their own seats as well. Irony.

fight like a girl on April 24, 2013 at 7:55 AM

That makes two of us.

+1000

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:58 AM

We would know everything about them since they were born, including which hospital. There would be talk of all their possible motives, and forensic psychologists giving a timeline of how they went from being innocent infants to becoming dangerous anti-Obama extremists.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 7:51 AM

True. Joe the Plumber asked the rat-eared coward an inconvenient question and within hours we knew all the details of his life including the terms of his divorce (provided to the world by a “helpful” civil servant that leaked sealed documents to the press). We have two Muslim Russians who killed four, maimed hundreds, and put a major American city into lockdown and how much do we know about them? Their motives? Even where they were getting their income.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM

They need to make this a “kid” led astray by his older and conveniently dead brother.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Where the concept of being “led astray” must now enfold and embrace the notion that his older bother talked him into, against his will and better judgement, putting a bomb down next to an eight year old boy, walking away, and detonating it. He was so “led astray” he thought nothing of doing that and partying with his friends two days later, without a trace of remorse or regret.

Must it’s also something in the water in Boston, or something. Or perhaps mommy didn’t hug him enough when he was two years old.

Whatever it was, it’s not his fault. Somebody else is responsible.

farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM

Must Maybe it’s also…

farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 8:00 AM

He was so “led astray” he thought nothing of doing that and partying with his friends two days later, without a trace of remorse or regret.

farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM

That’s one of the things that has most struck me about this story. The adminstration is desperate to make it a one off incident and yet this “victim” of brainwashing by the evil older brother has expressed no remorse. His family (with the exception of the one uncle) are defending the brothers without even a passing statement of regret for the victims of the bombing. It’s clear to me that none of this came as a surprise to the family no matter how “shocked” they claim to be.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 8:05 AM

We are definitely seeing the LSM, and liberals in general, in all their sickening glory with this case. They haven’t only become extremely vile and almost hateful toward their fellow man, they’re getting worse.

Liam on April 24, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Wish someone had said warned us sooner.

Axe on April 24, 2013 at 12:29 AM

I’ve warned everyone here since 2006.

Everyone’s been in denial but slowly coming to the understanding. I look forward to the apologies from the ridicule I took early on…

True_King on April 24, 2013 at 8:07 AM

This little nugget is on Drudge right now.

Zubeidat Tsarnaeva Tells CNN: “I Don’t Care if My Youngest Son Is Killed. I Don’t Care If I Am Killed. I Will Say Allahu Akbar!”

Folks, this is why the Dems are scrambling to try and keep the Tsarnaevs out of the immigration debate. Here we have a family who were allowed to enter this nation, immediately went on welfare, and came to hate America enought they have no remorse about killing four and maiming hundreds.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:39 AM

They haven’t assimilated yet after living ten years in our brave new politically correct multi-cultural country? How could that happen?

Must be our fault in some way. Maybe if I wring my hands, furrow my brow, and gaze at my navel awhile I’ll be able to determine what “we” did wrong.

farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Here we have a family who were allowed to enter this nation, immediately went on welfare, and came to hate America enought they have no remorse about killing four and maiming hundreds.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:39 AM

On second thought, in today’s leftist America, that is assimilation.

farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Right on, Wigglesworty.

Naturally Curly on April 24, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Folks, this is why the Dems are scrambling to try and keep the Tsarnaevs out of the immigration debate. Here we have a family who were allowed to enter this nation, immediately went on welfare, and came to hate America enought they have no remorse about killing four and maiming hundreds.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 7:39 AM

One minor flaw to your argument, “and came to hate America” should read “and hated America when they came here”. I think they hated us from the minute they got off the plane. And has anybody asked why the mother and father, who once sought political asylum because they were afraid of persecution by the Russians, returned to Russia?

fight like a girl on April 24, 2013 at 8:22 AM

The issue is not about immigration–it is about breaking our nation’s laws and having the political class see this as a good for them to cash in on.
Either we follow law, thus, punishing lawbreakers or we deny justice under the warped corruption of the very word “compassion” and denigrate our entire legal structure,and with that move, we also denigrate our votes for representation and throw all rational moral thought to the wolves. Now our top leaders and wannabe leaders pretend this is good.
Rubio has chosen the latter as has the GOP who merely waits in the wings for a political shift, to not only admit it, but to champion the breaking of laws that strengthen the nation, not for justice and tolerance,but so that a complicit partisan party can obtain and hold power.

Don L on April 24, 2013 at 8:25 AM

“It’s tragic that a nation of immigrants remains divided on immigration,” Rubio said at the presser.

It’s more tragic that a young up and coming “conservative” senator equates immigration with illegal aliens. It’s even more tragic that he’s willing to grant them amnesty to further his political career. I never thought DC could corrupt anyone that quickly.

Rubio may has well switch parties now. He’s done as a conservative Republican.

cajunpatriot on April 24, 2013 at 8:25 AM

I have one question that no one has asked? Why is this bill being jammed down the proverbial throats of America when the overwhelming majority of America citizens are against it?

fight like a girl on April 24, 2013 at 8:26 AM

And has anybody asked why the mother and father, who once sought political asylum because they were afraid of persecution by the Russians, returned to Russia?

fight like a girl on April 24, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Of course that question has been asked. But the administration refuses to answer. They can’t even get the story straight about Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s trip to Russia. FBI says they knew nothing. The fat military-hating lesbian says DHS was “pinged” when he left- whatever that means. Somebody is lying or we’ve returned to an security organization that isn’t talking to one another.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2013 at 8:28 AM

We’ve got too many unAmerican voters already without rewarding Illegal immigrants with citizenship.

WannabeAnglican on April 24, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Rubio and his pathetic linking of illegals to slavery.

Lets see..Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work. Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation.

An alien who is present in a country unlawfully or without the country’s authorization is known as an illegal alien of that country.[2]
An enemy alien is an alien who is a national of an enemy country.

Good God- spouting slavery.. sounds like a leftist nut. Illegals forced their way into our home-country. We didn’t buy or sell them-actually…we pay heavily for their unlawful residence here. Our education,medical,hospital,criminal justice systems on over load. Crimes galore from identity fraud, no taxes (under the table hombe) violence,gangs,trafficking of humans,drugs, and on and on. Cartels running the show on the border and terrorizing US citizens. Over stayed visa’s, visa’s give to “students” from specific locations, college rainbow bullshite..
Asylum to nut bags that hate the US- common wealth PR-a welfare project of its own. Shall we go own?

The fact he even said that-totally unmasked.
Pathetic.just effing pathetic. Libs are laughing and cheering like hyena’s. I have total contempt for him now.

bazil9 on April 24, 2013 at 8:48 AM

I say then- slaves, be free!
You can leave anytime! In fact,we will pay you to leave!
Deal?

bazil9 on April 24, 2013 at 8:50 AM

We’ve got too many unAmerican voters already without rewarding Illegal immigrants with citizenship.

WannabeAnglican on April 24, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Many of whom came from the illegal pipeline-unAmerican.
11 million (ha..much higher) illegals concentrated
in just the right places. They have power.
As seen in polls,voting patterns ect..
Look at Cruz for example..struggled with the TX hispanic vote.
The horse already left the barn..due to those #’s..everyone is racing to pander. I’d laugh if it was so serious.
I guess all latino’s care about is open borders and illegal immigrant rights. They hate this slavery we push.

bazil9 on April 24, 2013 at 8:56 AM

I’ve always admired Rubio

I like the way he is using the Dem playbook to advance his agenda.

It’s about time we had our own ‘Obama’…and many of us knew this 4 years ago…

Redford on April 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

It’s about time we had our own ‘Obama’…and many of us knew this 4 years ago…

Redford on April 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Who is we?

bazil9 on April 24, 2013 at 9:18 AM

rubio sux

Pragmatic on April 24, 2013 at 9:26 AM

“If Democrats get 10 times more credit, it’s still in Republicans’ interest,” he says. “It will free them” to compete for votes that, more often than not, were beyond their reach.

Their #1 reason is for votes and not for ‘fixing a broken immigration system’. Rubio looks at this situation and sees his father or himself. I’m not an immigrant. My greatx4 grandfather came here from Ireland and fought against the British in the war of independence, his son fought in the war of 1812, his son fought in the war of northern aggression, my grandfather fought in ww1, my dad in ww2, my husband in Viet Nam, when do you stop being an immigrant, Mr. Rubio.

Kissmygrits on April 24, 2013 at 9:33 AM

First of all, the premise of this argument is wrong. I am not an immigrant. My maternal ancestors were here before the Revolutionary war and my paternal ancestors came during the first half of the 19th century. They were immigrants. I and my family, going back generations, are not.
Secondly, we are mainly talking about illegal immigration today but even legal immigration was tightly controlled until the later half of the last century.
Rubio is little more than a political hack who has not studied history or he is a fool who has succumbed to just another liberal lie. Either way, he and the other RINOs who support this amnesty are going to lose not only the national elections for republicans, but their own seats as well. Irony.
fight like a girl on April 24, 2013 at 7:55 AM

Well said!

bluegill on April 24, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Whatever it was, it’s not his fault. Somebody else is responsible.

farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM

Note, too, that in his statement from his hospital bed, he has said the it was Tamerlan who shot the MIT campus cop.

Evidently, the precious snowflake is just a poor, innocent lad…led astray and manipulated by “evil others”. Used and abused, as it were.

I’m still of the opinion that dzhokhar was the driving force behind the attack. No way to ever prove that, however.

Solaratov on April 24, 2013 at 9:41 AM

I’m still of the opinion that dzhokhar was the driving force behind the attack. No way to ever prove that, however.

Solaratov on April 24, 2013 at 9:41 AM

I think #1 was the brawn and #2 was the brains. In that nutty family, they probably all fed off of each other, as far as “radicalization” goes. #2 is definitely spinning the story in his favor.

Boudica on April 24, 2013 at 9:56 AM

I guess the GOPe promised him the Whitehouse in 2016.

Rubio the sell-out.

davidk on April 24, 2013 at 10:33 AM

The whole family was on the dole. But they just wanted a better life here in the land of milk and honey!

Naturally Curly on April 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

And millions more just like ‘em welcomed and ushered in here by our State Dept and supporting ethnic organizations. They aren’t necessarily here to enjoy the freedoms our Republic offers, assimilate and adapt, but to bring their backward cultures here, convert us to their religious beliefs and are encouraged to bleed our taxpayer supported systems dry.

hawkeye54 on April 24, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Words matter and we are not a ‘nation of immigrants’.

Sociologically, the definition of “immigration” is: “The settlement of people into a country in which they were not born.”

Over 85%% of Americans were born here and are by definition, natives of the United States of America. We are a nation of Americans, the vast majority native.

Many of us are descendents of immigrants, but then so is most of Mexico, Canada, Central and South America and many other nations of the world.. so we are far from unique in that aspect.

The phrase “nation of immigrants” is leftist propaganda. It is PC, sounds good and is easily regurgitated by the rubes.

The truth, on the other hand, is that we are a nation of Americans.

DrDeano on April 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Actually “O/T”…it’s early, y’all. Mornin’.

kingsjester on April 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM

Morning KJ. I had to laugh at your O/T. Isn’t the QOTD mostly O/T?

Just teasing you. It just hit my funny bone:-)

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Going to post this again in case some haven’t seen it as it’s very informative. It’s a little long but worth the time, even if you can’t read it now but bookmark it.

The Boston Bombers Radicalization (Myth vs. Fact)
By X-terrorist and Arab analyst Walid Shoebat

This was written especially for rightscoop and he nails it. He also has a solution, which is so simple, if followed.

http://www.therightscoop.com/walid-shoebat-exclusive-the-boston-bombers-radicalization-myth-vs-fact/

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 1:31 AM

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 11:12 AM

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 1:31 AM

You are correct. It is quite a read. The undermining behind the “Muslim Minority Project” is all part of the Obysmal strategy.

The information about the influence of Huma Abedin’s family is of consequence, too.

Shoebat’s conclusions are worth engraving in the hearts of people who do not want America to succumb to the spreading caliphate.

onlineanalyst on April 24, 2013 at 1:39 AM

This article answers all those that are asking “why” & how was he “radicalized” nonsense. Reminds me of the frog & scorpion story.
That’s what they do.

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 11:22 AM

I bet they believe that if they keep nagging, the Senate will simply say, “Okay, let’s have another vote.” Liam on April 24, 2013 at 6:44 AM

Oh, you can be sure Reid will bring it back for a vote. They just think Immigration is more important at the moment.

Remember this? (Reid did so for procedural reasons, so that he can move to reconsider the bill later.)

That’s why Reid voted No on the gun control bill.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/17/open-thread-senate-gun-control-vote-a-rama/comment-page-1/#comments

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 11:40 AM

The fact he even said that-totally unmasked.
Pathetic.just effing pathetic. Libs are laughing and cheering like hyena’s. I have total contempt for him now.

bazil9 on April 24, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Same here. Is there a link for some of these statements he’s made?

I think they need to be posted on Mark Levin’s Facebook page. He seems to have too much of a favorable opinion of Rubio.

bluefox on April 24, 2013 at 12:00 PM


If Republicans do nothing to repair their relationships with current and future Latino voters, “we certainly won’t be a national political party anymore,” said GOP strategist Steve Schmidt, a top adviser to John McCain in 2008.

No Steve! If you pass this, you are not going to a National party either, either way.

jjnco73 on April 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Who Needs the Left? GOP Seeks to Destroy Itself with Amnesty Bill Push
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/23/GOP-Gang-Smears-The-Institutional-Left-Couldn-t-Have-Done-It-Better

john.frank on April 24, 2013 at 8:42 PM

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