Napolitano: Yes, we knew that Tamerlan Tsarnaev left for Russia last year

posted at 2:41 pm on April 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

An important follow-up to Lindsey Graham’s claim yesterday that Tsarnaev didn’t ping the federal watch list before his trip to Dagestan because of a spelling error. The Free Beacon asks a good question: Is Napolitano suggesting here that DHS knew when he left, but not when he came back?

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Tuesday that her agency knew of alleged Boston bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s trip to Russia last year even though his name was misspelled on a travel document. A key lawmaker had said that the misspelling caused the FBI to miss the trip…

“They told me that they had no knowledge of him leaving or coming back so I would like to talk to you more about this case,” Graham told Napolitano as she testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on sweeping immigration legislation.

Napolitano said that even though Tsarnaev’s name was misspelled, redundancies in the system allowed his departure to be captured by U.S. authorities in January 2012. But she said that by the time he came back six months later, an FBI alert on him had expired and so his re-entry was not noted.

“The system pinged when he was leaving the United States. By the time he returned all investigations had been closed,” Napolitano said.

Two law enforcement officials told the AP last night that even if they’d noticed him on that Aeroflot flight manifest, nothing would have happened because they never found a reason to suspect him when they first looked at him in 2011. I find that hard to believe — an American ID’d by Russia as an “extremist” suddenly takes off for Dagestan and the feds don’t care? — but here’s corroborating testimony from Eli Lake’s sources:

Those officials pointed to the FSB’s [i.e. Russian intelligence's] habit of treating much behavior by Chechens as suspicious, and nearly all such behavior as terror-related. The Tsarnaev request, they speculated, was likely triggered by the FSB’s concern that he would participate in or provide support to Chechen insurrectionists in Russia, rather that by any sense of a threat to American interests.

“The FSB is mad at a lot of Chechens,” said Michael Hayden, the former director of the CIA and the National Security Agency, who noted that he did not know at this point whether there was enough intelligence to warrant a full-scale investigation into Tsarnaev in 2011. “Not all of them are terrorists, and even fewer of them are dangerous to the United States.”

“When stuff like this happens, we did what we did we called the long pause,” said Hayden. “You get with your staff, you say it’s these two Chechen idiots, you see what’s in the database. You collect so much stuff, then you go and explain it eventually to Congress.”

In other words, the Russians are always wetting themselves about potential terrorism by Chechens, and even whey they’re right, that’s more of a concern for their intelligence agencies than for ours. Two problems with that, though. First, Jake Tapper’s intelligence sources told him it’s “rare” for the Russians to reach out to the FBI and ask them to investigate someone. If that’s true, why didn’t the feds take more of an interest in Tamerlan? Second, notwithstanding America’s “frosty” relations with Russia, since when is U.S. intelligence kinda sorta disinterested in tracking jihadis just because they’re probably more likely to strike elsewhere than here? How many thousand news stories have we endured over the past 10 years about western intelligence worrying that native Muslims who’ve been radicalized will head off to fight in Iraq and Syria and then come back to share their new “expertise”? A visit to Dagestan, ground zero of Chechen jihadis, plus a newfound interest in jihadi propaganda last year is worth a second look, no?

Exit question: Any news yet from the FBI on whether the Russians did or didn’t tell them that Tsarnaev met with a Chechen “militant”? Kind of important to this inquiry.


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So says the Tranny.

ToddPA on April 23, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Wait…is Napo here actually claiming the DHS knew something?

Isn’t that contrary to Obama administration policy?

catmman on April 23, 2013 at 2:44 PM

The system worked

cmsinaz on April 23, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Is there any evidence that anyone should ever believe anything Janet Napolitano says?

peski on April 23, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I can almost hear the guys in charge: “Wow, these Russians are sure racist!” I hear a little ego trip going on there.

At what point should the FBI stop a nut like Hasan or these bombers? Even if they can’t get a conviction on something, it sure would put them on notice that they’re being watched, and give support to, for instance, Hasan’s colleagues that they will be listened to.

After they attack, it’s too late.

PattyJ on April 23, 2013 at 2:48 PM

DHS failed to provide security to the Homeland.

PC linded them to the reality of the danger.

Jabberwock on April 23, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Napolitano said that even though Tsarnaev’s name was misspelled, redundancies in the system allowed his departure to be captured by U.S. authorities in January 2012. But she said that by the time he came back six months later, an FBI alert on him had expired and so his re-entry was not noted.

“The system pinged when he was leaving the United States. By the time he returned all investigations had been closed,” Napolitano said.

That’s a dumb system. Shouldn’t the pinging restart once he showed up trying to return to the US instead of some alert “expiring”?

Bitter Clinger on April 23, 2013 at 2:50 PM

“The system pinged when he was leaving the United States. By the time he returned all investigations had been closed,” Napolitano said.

When? Five minutes after they went dyslexic on the boarding pass or five minutes before he was processed back through customs six months later?

Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Obama said he would get to the bottom of this and bring who is responsible to justice.

Look in the mirror chump.

Electrongod on April 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Think of the irony here: One excuse for the FBI ‘missing’ the older Tsarnayev is that his name was misspelled. Graham handed them a gift with that assertion, a get out of jail free card. And the LSM loved it! Can’t have any kind of criticism of The One and those in his Administration, can we?

Then along comes Nappy, to shoot it all down.

You can’t make this stuff up; the irony with this crew writes itself!

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 2:52 PM

The system pinged when he was leaving the United States. By the time he returned all investigations had been closed,” Napolitano said.</blockquote

Well why wasn't it reopened? Ugh! You investigate this guy and then he spends a long time in Chechnya getting his passport renewed, and no one in intelligence wondered what he might be doing.. Major fail.

melle1228 on April 23, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Napolitano said that even though Tsarnaev’s name was misspelled, redundancies in the system allowed his departure to be captured by U.S. authorities in January 2012. But she said that by the time he came back six months later, an FBI alert on him had expired and so his re-entry was not noted.

“The system pinged when he was leaving the United States. By the time he returned all investigations had been closed,” Napolitano said.

LOL. Nappy, you’re not helping!

Here’s a question: When Tamerlan’s leaving “pinged” the system, did we ping the Russians?

Follow up: If not, why not?

Dusty on April 23, 2013 at 2:53 PM

One thing is perfectly clear in all of this. The terrorists know more about how our immigration system works then the U.S. government does.

Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 2:54 PM

So really we haven’t learned much over the past 11 years.

tommer74 on April 23, 2013 at 2:55 PM

FOLLOW THE MONEY: Where did the muslim islamofascist boston bombers get the money to buy hugely expensive Mercedes and Porsche? Where did they get the money to travel to Russia? Where did they get the money to be well dressed in the latest clothes styles? Where did they get the money for all the guns, ammo and bombs?

TeaPartyNation on April 23, 2013 at 2:55 PM

And then of course there’s Chris Matthews On Bombers: “What Difference Does It Make Why They Did It?”

Drained Brain on April 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM

As Iowahawk said,

the Chechens have come home to roost

ITguy on April 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM

since when is U.S. intelligence kinda sorta disinterested in tracking jihadis

Since we have had a President who has stated that he will come down on the side of the muslims.

somnicide on April 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM

So really we haven’t learned much over the past 11 years.

tommer74 on April 23, 2013 at 2:55 PM

I think we have gone backwards over the last 4.26 years.

Electrongod on April 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM

And that was BEFORE the sequester.

What can we expect NOW.

Jabberwock on April 23, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Nappy, if there was an alert on someone and you were actively investigating him and he pinged the system with a trip to Russia, did your investigation include investigating why he went to Russia?

Dusty on April 23, 2013 at 2:57 PM

If a holder of a Permanent Resident Visa is out of the USA for a continuous period which I believe is six months (?) that is contrary to the terms of the visa and it should have been taken away. What Nappy is saying is that we are not making any attempt to hold resident aliens to the terms of their visa.

slickwillie2001 on April 23, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Sounds like Putin needs to start looking at drone bases around the US so that the Russians can whack any potential Chechen jihadi in countries where the government won’t do anything about them.

Think of the irony here: One excuse for the FBI ‘missing’ the older Tsarnayev is that his name was misspelled. Graham handed them a gift with that assertion, a get out of jail free card. And the LSM loved it! Can’t have any kind of criticism of The One and those in his Administration, can we?

Then along comes Nappy, to shoot it all down.

You can’t make this stuff up; the irony with this crew writes itself!

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Pretty much what I was thinking, they got the we were stupid get out of jail free card but that won’t work for the left no matter how true it is. So now they were self radicalized here by the Iraq War and Tamelan’s trip to Dagestan had no role, they’re in the clear.

Move along, nothing to see here, case closed.

jarodea on April 23, 2013 at 2:59 PM

OT: Ricin suspect released

What is going on?

Shy Guy on April 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM

I was just listening to Megan Kelly’s show and I was sure I heard Bob Beckel saying there should be a 2 year ban on Muslim students coming from overseas. Did I dream this? I think it is a wonderful suggestion.

esr1951 on April 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM

OT: Ricin suspect released

What is going on?

Shy Guy on April 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Rank and File democrat in good standing with the party. comrade.

tom daschle concerned on April 23, 2013 at 3:01 PM

I wonder if Tamerlan Tsarnaev took any trips to Chicago to get advice from Bill Ayers?

Dasher on April 23, 2013 at 3:02 PM

I feel so safe given this administration and their level of competence.

trs on April 23, 2013 at 3:02 PM

“The system pinged when he was leaving the United States. By the time he returned all investigations had been closed,”

Wait a sec. They knew he had just left the country to return to the place where Russia had warned us he had previously met with known terrorists and the response was to CLOSE THE INVESTIGATION?

tommyboy on April 23, 2013 at 3:02 PM

So says the Tranny.

ToddPA on April 23, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Please give me an address to send the bill for my new monitor….

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Talon on April 23, 2013 at 3:03 PM

“The system pinged when he was leaving the United States. By the time he returned all investigations had been closed,”

Sure Nappy, the system always works, that’s what you always say AFTER every jihady event. You said the same thing after the Panty bomber was foiled.

burrata on April 23, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Napolitano needs to read this:
Raping Arizona …

http://joeforamerica.com/2013/04/raping-arizona/

redguy on April 23, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Is there any evidence that anyone should ever believe anything Janet Napolitano says?

peski on April 23, 2013 at 2:47 PM

No, this women..err person should be run out of government – once and for all….

redguy on April 23, 2013 at 3:05 PM

As Hillary said “What difference does it make, 3 Americans are dead. Nothing to see here move along.
Sometimes I feel like Obama protects terrorist more than he does citizens.

Herb on April 23, 2013 at 3:05 PM

One thing is perfectly clear in all of this. The terrorists know more about how our immigration system works then the U.S. government does.

Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Yeah, they should have all the terrorists in Gitmo testify to Congress how to make it easier for their brothers and sisters to come to the freedom of America.

redguy on April 23, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Big Sis has our back.

/wow, i feel better now

Ward Cleaver on April 23, 2013 at 3:07 PM

we knew

May depend on what your defintion of “knew” is.

The system pinged when he was leaving the United States.

Depends on what “ping” means here.

Speaking from personal experience with many systems that “ping”, or “flag”, or “annunciate”, or print or flash or highlight some data on a screen, I am aware of uncounted system “pings” that were ignored and dismissed after cursory glances, or after 10 second investigations, or after 10 minute investigations. Especially if the “ping” type is a commonplace everyday occurrence.

farsighted on April 23, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Move along, nothing to see here, case closed.

jarodea on April 23, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I haven’t kept score, but it seems like there are twenty different narratives floating out there to make sure Obama and all his are totally absolved, to prevent (not just avoid) any possible link to Islam, and to excuse what the Tsarnaevs themselves did by their own choice.

Whenever caught in a trap of their own making from their own policies and beliefs, liberals invariably try over-thinking, needlessly-complicating, and otherwise confusing an issue. By the time this kid comes to trial — I figure in 2-3 years — people will have long been wondering what the hell was going on. Then a dozen lay people on a jury will be forced to sift through all they heard all along, and make a decision that requires justice be done.

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Did anyone expect Big Sis to admit any mistake…

d1carter on April 23, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Stupid b&tch!

annoyinglittletwerp on April 23, 2013 at 3:09 PM

For the upteenth time, from October of 2011:

Deputy U.S. Attorney General James Cole declared Wednesday at a conference in Washington that he had “recently directed all components of the Department of Justice to re-evaluate their training efforts in a range of areas, from community outreach to national security.” This “reevaluation” will remove all references to Islam in connection with any examination of Islamic jihad terror activity. The Obama Administration has now placed off-limits any investigation of the beliefs, motives and goals of jihad terrorists.Dwight C. Holton, former U.S. Attorney for the District of Oregon, emphasized that training materials for the FBI would be purged of everything politically incorrect: “I want to be perfectly clear about this: training materials that portray Islam as a religion of violence or with a tendency towards violence are wrong, they are offensive, and they are contrary to everything that this president, this attorney general and Department of Justice stands for. They will not be tolerated.”
Move On (.org), nothing to talk about here!

Del Dolemonte on April 23, 2013 at 10:19 AM

For our friend Del earlier today.

DHS and FBI had no interest in looking for a Jihadist. By their own words, they would not investigate such a charge.

Jabberwock on April 23, 2013 at 3:09 PM

As Hillary said “What difference does it make, 3 Americans are dead. Nothing to see here move along.
Sometimes I feel like Obama protects terrorist more than he does citizens.

Herb on April 23, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Yeah, like his old neighbor Professor Ayers…..

redguy on April 23, 2013 at 3:09 PM

What does “system pinged” mean..? Did anyone pay any attention to the so called “ping”?
There are so many “pings” in this case. I also heard that the police “pinged” the cell phone of the carjacking victim…

d1carter on April 23, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 3:08 PM

I don’t think there will be a trial. He will cop a plea and Uncle Sugar won’t have to present it’s case. The judge will seal the evidence for national security reasons and that will be that. The blackhole will be sealed.

Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 3:11 PM

DHS knew.

But, no fears.

At least he wasn’t one of those Assembly of God types, or maybe an Evangelical, and wasn’t a Tea Party sort…so of course there was no additional interest.

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Not directly related to Big Butch up there, but has anyone on here figured out who is ultimately behind these bombings yet?

It’s the Russians, of course. They are the only ones that benefit by having a couple of Chechens bomb something in the USA.
What better way to get the USA pissed off at Chechnya (Chechnya, for crying out loud.) and turn a blind eye when Russia gets rid of their nasty little Chechnya problem once and for all, if you know what I mean.
Classic complicated Russian espionage crap. The scheme was probably hatched back when the Russkies were having a harder time against the Chechens. And probably around the time that they warned the FBI that whats-his-name was a potential terrorist threat- that might have been insurance for the future so as to make it no surprise that he was involved in a bombing. And I suspect that his training and support were actually courtesy of the Russians, posing as Chechen rebels.

Oh and don’t forget that the Russians totally have Zero in their pocket and can pretty much do what they want here. Remember Zero groveling to Medvedev that he would have more “flexibility” after the election? Flexibility to do what exactly?

justltl on April 23, 2013 at 3:13 PM

First, Jake Tapper’s intelligence sources told him it’s “rare” for the Russians to reach out to the FBI and ask them to investigate someone. If that’s true, why didn’t the feds take more of an interest in Tamerlan?

Oh the feds did take more of an interest in Taimurlan.
They CLOSED the investigation.
What more the
F umbling
B umbling
I diots
could have done ?

They followed the policies of the Department of Jihad they work for.

burrata on April 23, 2013 at 3:15 PM

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 3:12 PM

It does make me wonder how many Christians touring Israel have U.S. intel following their every move while boarding passes for terrorists are filled out by idiots.

Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 3:15 PM

If they were radicalized here in America, isn’t that an indictment of the liberal haven of Boston and/or Massachusetts?

Hard to imagine these guys getting radicalized without someone noticing while attending North Dakota State.

Massachusetts legalized gay marriage back around 2004 which is right after these guys arrived. Gay marriage definitely does not line up with extremist islamic interpretations.

People wonder how immigrants in the US can become radicalized while living here…the answer is liberal policies.

weaselyone on April 23, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Anita Hill’s attorney is now in charge of Homeland Security. That is all you need to know about how far we have fallen as a nation.

echosyst on April 23, 2013 at 3:18 PM

And then of course there’s Chris Matthews On Bombers: “What Difference Does It Make Why They Did It?”

[Drained Brain on April 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM]

I’d like to be fair with him, because he’s right in the narrow sense of needing a motive to prove these two did it. Motive is a nice add on for conviction, but we already have means, opportunity and proof they did it.

But Matthews isn’t asking the rhetorical question in that regard. He’s asking it in order to build a consensus for preventing the use of motive to prevent future crimes. It’s huge failure of logic, not to mention commonsense, on his part, as can be seen when he totally abandons this line of thinking when it comes to searching for motives of his political enemies.

And there you have why so many people consider him not just an nitwit but a disingenuous and malicious one at that.

Dusty on April 23, 2013 at 3:19 PM

OT: Ricin suspect released

What is going on?

Shy Guy on April 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Another FBI C/F?

I heard that searches of his home found no traces of Ricin, and no evidence that he sought information on how to make Ricin.

I’ve never seen information on how much ‘Ricin’ was in the envelopes he mailed. If it was traces only, I wonder if it was cross-contamination from something else.

Maybe all the tests they did are defective. Maybe it’s someone in the post office. WTFK?

slickwillie2001 on April 23, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Sounds to me like dots are not being connected…again.

ellifint on April 23, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Is there any evidence that anyone should ever believe anything Janet Napolitano says?

peski on April 23, 2013 at 2:47 PM

No.
I don’t buy this smokescreen crap one bit. Russia calls and say’s check this guy out, then he leaves for RUSSIA and returns, yet they don’t show any interest? Major breakdown, and this woman will do anything other than admit to a mistake. Liar is what she is, and incompetent as well. I feel bad for the Intel pros that have to work for this fool.

JusDreamin on April 23, 2013 at 3:21 PM

I don’t think there will be a trial. He will cop a plea and Uncle Sugar won’t have to present it’s case. The judge will seal the evidence for national security reasons and that will be that. The blackhole will be sealed.

Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I’m half-expecting that, too. This is a political/PR/LSM hot potato that won’t sit well Obama and other Dems in their Party and the media. Better move for them to cut a deal, bury it, and hope people forget.

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Rush says it best–Incompetano.

hillsoftx on April 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM

If a holder of a Permanent Resident Visa is out of the USA for a continuous period which I believe is six months (?) that is contrary to the terms of the visa and it should have been taken away. What Nappy is saying is that we are not making any attempt to hold resident aliens to the terms of their visa.

slickwillie2001 on April 23, 2013 at 2:58 PM

But let’s not talk about ‘overlap’ or ‘relevance’ in terms of the current immigration push. No, that would be dumb or something.

Midas on April 23, 2013 at 3:34 PM

For those interested, The Blaze is about to report that Janet Nap. has finally admitted, after denying, that yes the Saudi kid was in fact put on a terror watch list. You know, the kid who was there and held as a suspect before being released… Keep in mind this is not the same as Beck’s claim that on the day of the bombing the same Saudi was tagged as a 212 3B threat. The terror watch list assignment, from what I’ve gathered, happened at another time. But it’s the same kid. stay tuned.

Weight of Glory on April 23, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Napolitano: Yes, we knew that Tamerlan Tsarnaev left for Russia last year

Napolitano:
“I’m just a bureaucrat, what can I do, and I can’t do my job because of the sequester, and, and, squirrel, and, and, ooh, bunny, and I’m a pea brain, and, besides, what difference does it make.

MichaelGabriel on April 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Beckel should talk to Obama about the 2-year ban. According to Gateway Pundit, Obama ENDED the add’l checks on Muslim immigrants from 25 terrorist-y countries.

PattyJ on April 23, 2013 at 3:39 PM

AMNESTY NOW!!!!

Forget the borders!!!

Viva the new world order and the smarter rulers of us hicks.

PappyD61 on April 23, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Remember kids- Butch Napolitano is the crack government leader whom Graham, Rubio and Ryan want to put in charge of their vaunted amnesty border security provision. But also – this nitwit is double jeopardy … she was a border state governor. And surely no one is better equipped to secure the border than the border state Governors!

Jaibones on April 23, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Rubio……….He really is Obama on the gop side!!!

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2527900#.UXZ9f0-QDRk.twitter

Traitor to the limited government Tea Party conservatives that elected him in 2010.

I’m sorry I ever gave him money!

PappyD61 on April 23, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Again from the left… What difference does it make ?

Chris Matthews : “What difference does it make why they did it?”

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 3:48 PM

If Graham and McCain and Rubio are so positive that we are wrong and they are right then I suggest they pop in next open registration and demonstrate the superiority of their position. The Q & A would melt the internet.

Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 3:48 PM

I fear its much worse than incompetence.

Why do Saudi/Sunni/Wahhabist backed terrorists seem to slip our radar as in Bin Laden over and over again – the 9/11 terrorists, etc.?

Who is funding Chechan Islamists? Hint, Saudi Arabia and Sunni Islam. What sect of Islam does Russia support via its international policies? Hint, Shia Iran, Syria, etc.

Who backed the Canadian terrorists who were very well tracked by us and caught yesterday? Reportedly, Iran.

Why was the Saudi National slated for deportation and the order was rescinded about the time of administration meetings with Saudi ministers?

Beck said yesterday: “You want to know why we have terror over and over in our streets?” Beck Asked. “Saudi Arabia. It is time someone on network television says it.”

Questions. I have many.

Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Ok, the Blaze story on Janet Naps. new claim about the saudi kid is up. I was wrong in my previous comment, she claims that the kid was placed on a terror watch list on the day of the bombing. I said that the designation was at a different time. Remember, she originally claimed that he was not placed on a terror watch list, now she says he was but that it was a mistake. Beck still claims that the documents he’s given to 6 members of congress go even further, designating the same saudi kid as a 212 3B threat. here’s the story.

Napolitano firmly responded: “He was not on a watchlist. What happened is — this student was, really when you back it out, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was never a subject. He was never even really a person of interest. Because he was being interviewed, he was at that point put on a watchlist, and then when it was quickly determined he had nothing to do with the bombing, the watch listing status was removed.” [Emphasis added]

Weight of Glory on April 23, 2013 at 3:52 PM

I don’t believe a G******ed thing this cow or anyone else associated with the current administration says. They’re evil and liars to the core.

RobertE on April 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Here’s a question: When Tamerlan’s leaving “pinged” the system, did we ping the Russians?

Follow up: If not, why not?

Dusty on April 23, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Because Shrillary had already pressed the reset button.

NapaConservative on April 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Beck said yesterday: “You want to know why we have terror over and over in our streets?” Beck Asked. “Saudi Arabia. It is time someone on network television says it.”

Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Seeeee…I knew it was Bush’s fault , that dude has been holding hands with the Saudis for ever and even his dad and Cheney and Halliburton and oil and TX and Palin and …and …
:D

burrata on April 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM

“an American ID’d by Russia as an “extremist” suddenly takes off for Dagestan and the feds don’t care?”

They wouldn’t have had information that he was going to Dagestan – his flight was from New York to Moscow.

Realist on April 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Ping…..ping….ping…ping…….zzzzzzzzzzzz….BOOM!

Sums it up.

MichaelGabriel on April 23, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Instead of spending money feeling up old ladies and little kids in wheelchairs by the TSA at the airport maybe they should spend more money checking out 20 to 30-something year old Muslim men…

albill on April 23, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Instead of spending money feeling up old ladies and little kids in wheelchairs by the TSA at the airport maybe they should spend more money checking out 20 to 30-something year old Muslim men…

albill on April 23, 2013 at 4:06 PM

RACIST!!!

NapaConservative on April 23, 2013 at 4:12 PM

“an American ID’d by Russia as an “extremist” suddenly takes off for Dagestan and the feds don’t care?”

They wouldn’t have had information that he was going to Dagestan – his flight was from New York to Moscow.

Realist on April 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM

OK. Very well.

Someone ID’d by Russia as an “extremist” takes off from America for Russia and the Feds don’t care ?

Hell, at least we could tell ‘em he’s coming !

Jabberwock on April 23, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Hmmmm.

Oh, so HA is turning into a tinfoil hat, conspiracy website ala Alex Jones?

What’s next? Going to report that Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations actually work with and are financed certain U.S. government agencies?

Pleeeeez.

/s

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 23, 2013 at 4:19 PM

burrata on April 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Perhaps it goes wayyyy beyond a particular administration?

I think it would be wise for us to review U.S. foreign policy decisions over several administrations through the lens of Sunni vs. Shia Islam. Who have we supported over the years – and particularly in this administration? Who got the deepest bow?

Didn’t you ever wonder why we used to support Bin Laden in Afghanistan back when he was fighting Shia loving Russia?

Why did Clinton fail to act on Bin Laden intelligence many times over?

It gets worse if you attempt to connect other Sunni vs. Shia dots – and examine whose side we’ve been on all along.

And then even worse when you look at who this administration has ‘assisted’ in the Arab Spring. Haven’t I read we’re funding al qaeda insurgents in Syria as we speak – attempting to overthrow Shia Syria and Assad?

I have questions. Many questions.

Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 4:23 PM

no one in intelligence wondered what he might be doing..

The Norstrom semi-annual suit sale at the Mall of Chechnya?

socalcon on April 23, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Did the Russians know?
Did the FBI know?

“What difference does it make!” – Hillary 2016

mechkiller_k on April 23, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Because he was being interviewed, he was at that point put on a watchlist, and then when it was quickly determined he had nothing to do with the bombing, the watch listing status was removed.

Is that like in 2011 when the FBI interviewed the older brother and signaled the ‘all clear’ to the Ruskies? Kinda blew up in their face, that one.
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socalcon on April 23, 2013 at 4:28 PM

But she said that by the time he came back six months later, an FBI alert on him had expired and so his re-entry was not noted.

Um, why would an alert expire ?

Absent any change in his status, wouldn’t, or sholdn’t the alert stay active.

What she just said is that if you lay low for a bit all will be forgotten.

Jabberwock on April 23, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Napolitano firmly responded: “He was not on a watchlist. What happened is — this student was, really when you back it out, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was never a subject. He was never even really a person of interest. Because he was being interviewed, he was at that point put on a watchlist, and then when it was quickly determined he had nothing to do with the bombing, the watch listing status was removed.” [Emphasis added]

And yet, an American placed (mistakenly) on a “watch list” or “no-fly list” – not even designated a 212 3B – takes years and a hefty investment in lawyers fees to get taken off of the list. And they are usually never told why they were placed on the list in the first place. “National Security”, don’tcha know.

How is it that a Saudi – a non-American, from a terrorist-supporting country – is able to be “cleared” and removed from the ‘watch list’ in less than 24 hours?

That implies an efficiency hitherto unknown in the annals of DHS performance.

IOW…BS!

Solaratov on April 23, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Israel is rightfully concerned with both Sunni AND Shia Islam. The U.S., not so much.

This administration seems to be more focused on pretending we don’t face a threat from Islam at all.

Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Did Big Mooch visit this same Arab kid in the hospital?
Or was she just there finishing off trays of uneaten food?

justltl on April 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM

It’s OK…

… the border is secure!

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Seven Percent Solution on April 23, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Seven Percent Solution on April 23, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Makes ya feel all warm and cuddly, no?

Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 4:37 PM

“The system pinged when he was leaving the United States. By the time he returned all investigations had been closed,” Napolitano said.

You hear that would be terrorists…she just told you that all you have to do is just stay gone for 6months before you come back and you’re home free…

Can’t we just have a developer go in there and change that setting from 6months to 18months or remove it all together?

nextgen_repub on April 23, 2013 at 4:38 PM

[Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 3:49 PM]

I appreciate you bringing Umarov to my attention a couple days back. it seems to me that ours actions wrt to him and his organization might have been part of what helped fertilize Tamerlan’s radicalization.

Dusty on April 23, 2013 at 4:44 PM

What she just said is that if you lay low for a bit all will be forgotten.

Jabberwock on April 23, 2013

In practical terms she’s saying that if a suspected nascent terrorist travels to an Islamic Jihadist region he is then absolved of all past suspicions and can now roam the US freely to commit whatever mayhem he desires.

JonPrichard on April 23, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I have questions. Many questions.

Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I think our policies have been sunni/wahabi oriented because of saudi oil and the millions they kick back to DC critters, because I actually really do think that the foreign policies of USA have always been controlled by CIA regardless of who was in the WH .
Clintons + Huma have been great sunni/wahabi beneficiaries, Sandy Buggler will testify to that. Clinton kept bin Laden alive. I’m sure for a price.
Carter and Hussein are shia beneficiaries , and hamas+hezbollah+ mullahs of Iran will testify to that. But even more than that, Hussein is anti-Israel and this is what guides his actions eventually. And therein lies the problem today.
This WH is not only pro-jihad, but also openly anti-Israel, something which we never had before.
But then what do I know?

burrata on April 23, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Note how sesquipedalian can’t recover from all that “glee”.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 4:54 PM

[Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 3:49 PM]

I appreciate you bringing Umarov to my attention a couple days back. it seems to me that ours actions wrt to him and his organization might have been part of what helped fertilize Tamerlan’s radicalization.

Dusty on April 23, 2013 at 4:44 PM

You’re most welcome. It is with so much more than sadness that I have to agree.

For whatever reason, my research on him spurred the need (for me at least) to look at the much bigger picture of Sunni vs. Shia battles and where we ‘appear’ to have been standing all along.

The only way our foreign policy decisions over decades makes sense to me is through this lens. And every single decision/’blunder’ (cough) – even with respect to the Saudi National and our treatment of Tamerlan also makes sense through that very same lens.

Unfortunately. Way beyond unfortunately.

Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Note how sesquipedalian can’t recover from all that “glee”.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I noticed that, too. I guess reality spanked him so hard he can’t yet sit down to be able to type his abuses against us.

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 4:59 PM

But then what do I know?

burrata on April 23, 2013 at 4:50 PM

A lot.

Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 4:59 PM

At this point, do we trust the FBI to tell the truth? Or cover their asses?

GarandFan on April 23, 2013 at 5:00 PM

They wouldn’t have had information that he was going to Dagestan – his flight was from New York to Moscow.

Realist on April 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM

They would have if they’d had someone in Moscow tracking him.

Ronnie on April 23, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Note how sesquipedalian can’t recover from all that “glee”.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 4:54 PM
I noticed that, too. I guess reality spanked him so hard he can’t yet sit down to be able to type his abuses against us.

Liam on April 23, 2013 at 4:59 PM

The squid is having a hard time accepting that Reagan was right.
That is that liberals are not dumb, just what they know is wrong.

Kind of a double whammy for him ( her )

Jabberwock on April 23, 2013 at 5:17 PM

I’m sorry I ever gave him money!

PappyD61 on April 23, 2013 at 3:46 PM

me too. I thought I picked a winner. Turns out we picked a liberal hack running as a principled conservative.

DanMan on April 23, 2013 at 5:20 PM

I need to go. But before I do, another question re Tamerlan.

From the time line provided by farsighted in the Russian intel thread below:

January 2012 — Tamerlan departs the US for Russia.

March 2012 — Tamerlan arrives in Russia

farsighted on April 23, 2013 at 10:14 AM

I read about that gap too. Where’d he go?

Opinionator on April 23, 2013 at 5:23 PM

It’s too bad the FBI, DHS and CIA can’t be replaced by Home Depot, Walmart and Fed-Ex.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 5:27 PM

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