Family members: Older Tsarnaev brother was influenced by “mysterious radical”

posted at 8:01 pm on April 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

“Mysterious radical” is from the AP’s headline but it’s unclear just how radical he was. They’re implying that the mystery man, a Muslim convert named “Misha,” might have nudged Tamerlan Tsarnaev towards terrorism but the piece never gets around to alleging that specifically. There are a lot of allegations about Misha urging Tamerlan to follow Islam more strictly (“Misha said it’s not really good to create music”), but whether there was any last fateful suggestion about showing the kuffar who’s boss by bombing something is unclear. Misha wasn’t the only influence on him either: Read down in the piece and you’ll find that Tamerlan was eager to read “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and was also a fan of Alex Jones and his Infowars site, which has inexplicably become near-daily link bait on Drudge. That’s odd in a sense because, as Dave Weigel says, the Infowars version of the war on terror is that it’s essentially all a big CIA op, not a death struggle with the mujahedeen. I wonder if Tamerlan enjoyed the Infowars piece last month arguing that Obama’s support for the Syrian rebels makes him the de facto leader of Al Qaeda now. He must have missed it, or else the motive for the bombing becomes … really murky.

This piece isn’t the first mention of “Misha,” either. Ruslan Tsarni, the Tsarnaevs’ uncle who famously called them “losers” on TV last week, told the “Today” show on Friday that he’d heard from a family acquaintance that “there is someone who brainwashed [Tamerlan], some new convert to Islam. I would like to stress (the acquaintance was) of Armenian descent.’’ Presumably the acquaintance who told him that is Khozhugov, Tamerlan’s former brother-in-law and the AP’s main source for this story:

Then, in 2008 or 2009, Tamerlan met Misha, a slightly older, heavyset bald man with a long reddish beard. Khozhugov didn’t know where they’d met but believed they attended a Boston-area mosque together. Misha was an Armenian native and a convert to Islam and quickly began influencing his new friend, family members said…

“Misha was telling him what is Islam, what is good in Islam, what is bad in Islam,” said Khozhugov, who said he was present for the conversation. “This is the best religion and that’s it. Mohammed said this and Mohammed said that.”…

“It was late, like midnight,” Khozhugov said. “His father comes in and says, ‘Why is Misha here so late and still in our house?’ He asked it politely. Tamerlan was so much into the conversation he didn’t listen.”…

Anzor became so concerned that he called his brother, worried about Misha’s effects.

“I heard about nobody else but this convert,” Tsarni said. “The seed for changing his views was planted right there in Cambridge.”

It’s not clear if the feds have spoken to “Misha” yet, but in their defense, in a big city like Boston it must be hard to find a, er, bald, heavy-set, red-bearded Muslim from Armenia. Legally, unless “Misha” somehow helped the brothers with their logistics in bombing the marathon, it’d be hard to convict him of anything even if he was advocating outright for terrorism. The First Amendment exception for incitements to violence requires not only intent to incite but that the violence appear imminent. If Misha told them to bomb the marathon the night before they did it, that’s one thing; if he told them to do it a year ago, that’s something else. Could be that he didn’t tell them anything like that at all. But given Awlaki’s career path and the influence he had over his disciples, obviously if you’re the feds you’re interested in knowing more about “Misha,” who he’s talking to, and what he said to the Tsarnaevs — or what they said to him — before the big day.

But maybe this is all only tangentially relevant. According to the timeline in the AP piece, Tamerlan first started chatting with Misha circa 2008 or 2009; it’s not clear if they were even in contact recently. If those chats did somehow set him on the path to last Monday, it’s a long path. and after a preliminary investigation the feds have yet to find anything on the Tsarnaevs’ phones or computers pointing to an accomplice. Exit quotation from a neighbor about Tamerlan: “He had nothing against the American people. He had something against the American government.” So he bombed a marathon?


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“Mysterious radical” is from the AP’s headline

Allah, I call them al-AP for very good a reason-the word “terrorist” has been verboten from their lexicon since 2001.

Del Dolemonte on April 23, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Sure, just jump right in and put words in my mouth then.

Apparently I suck because I hate radical Islam but refuse to call all 1.6 billion muslims lone wolf terror suspects, and had the nerve to actually make that comment here then defend it.

Have a nice day.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:18 PM

You are a one man pity party.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 9:25 PM

When did I say moderate muslims should not be more vocal in denouncing terrorism? I said just the opposite, above.
MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Denunciation of terrorism and dununciation of terrorists are two different things. Muslims do a great job at the former but refuse to do the latter.

Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Have a nice day.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:18 PM

I’m taking my crayons and going home !!

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 9:26 PM

I’m sure there were “moderate” Japanese in Hiroshima and Nagisaki too. But you know what? It didn’t matter.

wolly4321 on April 23, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Whatever you do remember to call it a Religion of Peace or they’ll saw your effin head off.

viking01 on April 23, 2013 at 9:30 PM

OT- I heard Mark Levin read Deborah Burlingame’s letter to Paul Ryan this evening. She slayed him on joining the mouthpiece of terrorists in saying that the Boston Marathon bombing had nothing to do with the immigration debate. Apparently a Wall Street Journal column is about to be dropped.

I bring it up because just from the letter to Paul Ryan she kills his conservative creds and points out why the Senate immigration bill should be killed. Look for it when it comes out.

Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Whatever you do remember to call it a Religion of Peace or they’ll saw your effin head off.

viking01 on April 23, 2013 at 9:30 PM

With a dull knife. Daniel Pearl remains unavailable for comment. And he was willing to think these animals can be trusted.

Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 9:34 PM

‘Misha’ was a tall, fat, short, thin man – bald with curly hair. He was clean-shaven with a long red beard.

Back in the day, they used to just say, “They went thataway!”

ghostwalker1 on April 23, 2013 at 9:47 PM

ghostwalker1 on April 23, 2013 at 9:47 PM

A neighbor, a witness, a certain Miss Swan who ran the local nail salon, provided the best description yet.

“He look like a man.”

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 9:52 PM

An Armenian converted them? That puts a very different spin on the Watertown Incident. Watertown has a huge Armenian population for it’s size.

StargazerA5 on April 23, 2013 at 10:07 PM

StargazerA5 on April 23, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Was a time when being Armenian also meant one had to be Christian, Armenian Orthodox.

Not any more.

Nothing good will come of it.

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 10:11 PM

An Armenian converted to Islam? Nope, don’t buy it. Not unless it’s 1914 and some Turk forced you to be his bride. Armenians are hardwired Christians.

CarolynM on April 23, 2013 at 10:27 PM

“Mysterious radical”

On Drudge right now…

… They have a picture of the “Mysterious radical”!

Seven Percent Solution on April 23, 2013 at 10:28 PM

the only interesting bit, is apparently they are ‘throwing Zubeidat under the bus’

narciso on April 23, 2013 at 11:16 PM

It’s very, very possible for an Armenian to convert.

A Russian-Armenian, that is. Big difference between Russian-Armo’s and the rest.

Russian-Armo’s, because of the USSR, lost a large piece of their Christian heritage.

Look at Gerogians. Over 60% are ethnically Armenian, but they see themselves as Georgian first, Russian second.

So it’s not as if all are coming from devout Armenian Christianity. A large percentage are agnostic, making them susceptible.

Which fits perfectly into Awlaki’s timeline of finding dual-citizenship, non-Arabic sleepers.

Who better than someone with an Armenian visa to slip into the U.S and look for recruits? Guy could have Armenian citizenship due to heritage, but actually be from Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq or Iran.

Iran is a protectorate of Armenia, since the U.S abandoned them to curry favor with the Turks and Azerbaijani’s for a BP gas pipeline.

Oh, and this will explain why they let the one driver live. He was Armenian, but didn’t speak Russian.

budfox on April 24, 2013 at 12:05 AM

I’m sure there were “moderate” Japanese in Hiroshima and Nagisaki too. But you know what? It didn’t matter.

wolly4321 on April 23, 2013 at 9:29 PM

It usually doesn’t when the “moderates” are not running the show, and/or when the “moderates” are also meek sheep.

All that matters is who dominant, in charge, and calling the shots and how much they are actively opposed, if at all.

I’m sure there were moderates in Iraq when we were there. Some, in their own interest, even helped us. Many just cowered in the corners of their homes when the “non-moderates” were around. Same is true in Afghanistan today.

If the moderates are so moderate they are passive they become irrelevant sheep.

farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 6:33 AM

Sounds like the uncle is walking back is earlier emphatic statements that his nephew was a loser and a bum. Now he is taking the tact of his other relatives by defending the bomber by saying he was brainwashed.

So it looks like the uncle’s initial tongue lashing of his nephew was for political purposes in the first hours to put distance between himself and those two monsters in order to buy himself some insulation. But now that a week has passed, he feels a bit more comfortable lining up with the rest of the family in defending the kin.

Something about how enthusiastically the uncle was putting down the older brother right after this all happened seemed a little too enthusiastic.

keep the change on April 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Okay, let me get this straight.

The FBI claims, as usual, that the guys who got by them were lone wolves. Now if they catch them in a controlled investigation it is almost always a sleeper cell and multiple perp walks. Seriously? what are the chances.

Now, it is at least one other person who influenced the older brother. So I guess that unknown is by himself? …or could he be part of a larger cell- like the one he FBI busted from the same area in 2010?

Just saying…

So, as we get fed bull and pee-ed on while they claim it is raining, what else will they try? Funding for parts of bomb and training is due to welfare and Internet.

My buddy who is very well versed in this area was actually laughing out loud at the narrative being pushed forward here. He predicted a contact from the local mosque, before this story came out. He said there is no way “Roadkill” as I like to call the older brother would be able to travel to Dagestan and meet anyone without and introduction. No more than someone trying to get inside a gang here like the bikers, dealers and mafia.

Dumb to think otherwise.

The fed are trying to control the story so they can tell us when to stop looking. It will be the “nothing more to see here”, just like Benghazi.

archer52 on April 24, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Something about how enthusiastically the uncle was putting down the older brother right after this all happened seemed a little too enthusiastic.
keep the change on April 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Indeed. If you keep listening to the end of his little tirade it becomes apparent that it’s merely a full-throated defense of his kindly religion. Pretty pathetic stuff for our country to praise, but not surprising.

happytobehere on April 24, 2013 at 8:33 AM

hmmm sounds like Beck is correct.

unseen on April 24, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Glenn Beck says there were 3 people involved in the bombing and Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi, the Saudi national, is the third:</blockquote

While the media continues to look at what the causes were of these two guys, there are, at this hour, three people involved,” he said. “The first one is the one we are going to address.”

Beck proceeded to highlight the background of the Saudi national first identified as a “person of interest” in the Boston bombings, Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi, noting that the the NTC issued an event file calling for his deportation using section 212, 3B which is proven terrorist activity.

“We are not sure who actually tagged him as a ’212 3B,’ but we know it is very difficult to charge someone with this — it has to be almost certain,” Beck explained. “It is the equivalent in civil society of charging someone with premeditated murder and seeking the death penalty — it is not thrown around lightly.”

“Wednesday at 5:35 p.m. the file is altered,” Beck said. “This is unheard of, this is impossible in the timeline due to the severity of the charge….You don’t one day put a 212 3B charge against somebody with deportation, and then the next day take it off. It would require too much to do it.”

“There are only two people that could revoke the deportation order — the director of the NTC could do it after speaking with each department, the FBI, the ATC, etc. — which is impossible to do in such a short period of time, — or, somebody at the very highest levels of the State Department could do it. We don’t have any evidence to tell you which one did it,” Beck said.

http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-we-know-the-saudi-national-was-involved-in-the-bombing/

see link for entire video

unseen on April 24, 2013 at 8:40 AM

All that matters is who dominant, in charge, and calling the shots and how much they are actively opposed, if at all.

farsighted on April 24, 2013 at 6:33 AM

The TEA party couldn’t grasp that concept in 2010. It doesn’t matter how many foot soldiers we send to DC until we have people in leadership positions the TEa party people will follow the GOPE.

unseen on April 24, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Older Tsarnaev brother was influenced by “mysterious radical”

The radical lived centuries ago and had the pen name “Mohammed”.

Mojave Mark on April 24, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Family members: Older Tsarnaev brother was influenced by “mysterious radical”

VALERIE JARRETT

ToddPA on April 24, 2013 at 9:01 AM

I think they ought to throw the whole family in jail as co-conspirators. Except, the uncle. He’s cool.

RovesChins on April 24, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Then, in 2008 or 2009, Tamerlan met Misha, a slightly older, heavyset bald man with a long reddish beard…..

Wait a minute. Does this Misha own a cat? Because, we have NO idea what ALLAHpundit looks like, uh, ALLAHpundit….get it?
-Terrorist mama as she steals your closet blind.

RovesChins on April 24, 2013 at 9:12 AM

“He didn’t do it, but if he did, he was under the magic spell of an evil spirit”

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Glenn Beck says there were 3 people involved in the bombing and Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi, the Saudi national, is the third:

“Tamerlan, set the harmless backpack with kitchen appliances inside right here beside me, so that if something bad happens no one will suspect me”

Does it make any sense that the “mastermind” would be within 100 miles of his agents at the moment of truth, much less within range?

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 9:23 AM

William Ayers to the courtesy phone…William Ayers

trs on April 24, 2013 at 9:31 AM

I don’t understand the strange fixation in the American press that everything evil must be caused by some sort of pathology. I’m sure the intelligence community wants to know where these bastards learned how to build IEDs and who gave them their marching orders, but the how and why they embraced militant Islamism is, to me, irrelevant.

RobertE on April 24, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Zombies do exist after all. Inshallah.

rightConcept on April 24, 2013 at 10:37 AM

“Mysterious Stranger Misha” joins the White Rabbit, The Stranger, The Odd Neighbor Nextdoor and “The Dog Who Ate My Homework” along with Harvey and The Debull as the likely culprits, ever handy when personal responsibility just can’t be the issue.

Lourdes on April 24, 2013 at 12:31 PM

An “influencer” ups the likelihood this was not a lone-wolf scenario.

Who else did this “mysterious radical” influence, and what could they be planning?

byepartisan on April 24, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Did ANY one among the Leftmedia devote so much as a ten-minute-read column or telephone chat to ANY culprit of ANY crime who was “just” one of those ordinary Americans, like the other violent young guys in the news? No?

Muslims go on a murderous crime spree, violent and attacking innocent strangers and the Left has infinite resources to talk and talk and talk and tear and chew things over as to wondering “just why they did it”…

Lourdes on April 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM

An “influencer” ups the likelihood this was not a lone-wolf scenario.

Who else did this “mysterious radical” influence, and what could they be planning?

byepartisan on April 24, 2013 at 12:31 PM

You’re right: not only was this NOT “lone wolf” activity, no such Svengali Crime Motivator is going to be limiting his influence to only one guy who then tows his younger brother into it.

OF COURSE there’s a broader group involved, OF COURSE there is. Meanwhile, the public is told to “not jump to conclusions,” which means “don’t ask any questions, eat something, go to sleep, don’t worry, don’t think…”

Lourdes on April 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi, the Saudi national, initially collared in the aftermath. Isn’t he a son of Osama bin laden?

AH_C on April 24, 2013 at 12:44 PM

I don’t understand the strange fixation in the American press that everything evil must be caused by some sort of pathology. I’m sure the intelligence community wants to know where these bastards learned how to build IEDs and who gave them their marching orders, but the how and why they embraced militant Islamism is, to me, irrelevant.

RobertE on April 24, 2013 at 9:56 AM

People always want to know ‘why’ – so we are down that rabbit hole.
That said, it’s a worthy pursuit to dig into the ideological trajectory that brought them to that moment.
For others…e.g. Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, etc….the ‘strange fixation is on ‘the government conspiracy behind it all’.

verbaluce on April 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM

You can’t be talked into becoming a primitive, barbaric, despicable enemy of civilization. The fact that anyone would even propose such a thing shows how demented the whole islamic culture is (any of them, as they all produce these errors of evolution at a fairly high frequency).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 23, 2013 at 8:07 PM

You know, I had a beard friend try to convince me to cut the heads off some folk. It was tempting, but I did the right thing. I stopped talking to the friend, and the urges went away. SARC

My buddy who is very well versed in this area was actually laughing out loud at the narrative being pushed forward here. He predicted a contact from the local mosque, before this story came out. He said there is no way “Roadkill” as I like to call the older brother would be able to travel to Dagestan and meet anyone without and introduction.
archer52 on April 24, 2013 at 8:26 AM

You don’t get into a business deal without a connection in that culture much less a terror cell. My, the family is very brave ratting out Misha. Where is the police sketch artist?

Scary: Matches family’s description of Misha

entagor on April 24, 2013 at 6:59 PM

David Wood explains so much in this video about why such Islamic terror happens here and how Obama and many other Muslims try to mislead about the true nature of Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SoXs-0_rHY&bpctr=1366853747

Chessplayer on April 24, 2013 at 9:28 PM

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