Family members: Older Tsarnaev brother was influenced by “mysterious radical”

posted at 8:01 pm on April 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

“Mysterious radical” is from the AP’s headline but it’s unclear just how radical he was. They’re implying that the mystery man, a Muslim convert named “Misha,” might have nudged Tamerlan Tsarnaev towards terrorism but the piece never gets around to alleging that specifically. There are a lot of allegations about Misha urging Tamerlan to follow Islam more strictly (“Misha said it’s not really good to create music”), but whether there was any last fateful suggestion about showing the kuffar who’s boss by bombing something is unclear. Misha wasn’t the only influence on him either: Read down in the piece and you’ll find that Tamerlan was eager to read “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and was also a fan of Alex Jones and his Infowars site, which has inexplicably become near-daily link bait on Drudge. That’s odd in a sense because, as Dave Weigel says, the Infowars version of the war on terror is that it’s essentially all a big CIA op, not a death struggle with the mujahedeen. I wonder if Tamerlan enjoyed the Infowars piece last month arguing that Obama’s support for the Syrian rebels makes him the de facto leader of Al Qaeda now. He must have missed it, or else the motive for the bombing becomes … really murky.

This piece isn’t the first mention of “Misha,” either. Ruslan Tsarni, the Tsarnaevs’ uncle who famously called them “losers” on TV last week, told the “Today” show on Friday that he’d heard from a family acquaintance that “there is someone who brainwashed [Tamerlan], some new convert to Islam. I would like to stress (the acquaintance was) of Armenian descent.’’ Presumably the acquaintance who told him that is Khozhugov, Tamerlan’s former brother-in-law and the AP’s main source for this story:

Then, in 2008 or 2009, Tamerlan met Misha, a slightly older, heavyset bald man with a long reddish beard. Khozhugov didn’t know where they’d met but believed they attended a Boston-area mosque together. Misha was an Armenian native and a convert to Islam and quickly began influencing his new friend, family members said…

“Misha was telling him what is Islam, what is good in Islam, what is bad in Islam,” said Khozhugov, who said he was present for the conversation. “This is the best religion and that’s it. Mohammed said this and Mohammed said that.”…

“It was late, like midnight,” Khozhugov said. “His father comes in and says, ‘Why is Misha here so late and still in our house?’ He asked it politely. Tamerlan was so much into the conversation he didn’t listen.”…

Anzor became so concerned that he called his brother, worried about Misha’s effects.

“I heard about nobody else but this convert,” Tsarni said. “The seed for changing his views was planted right there in Cambridge.”

It’s not clear if the feds have spoken to “Misha” yet, but in their defense, in a big city like Boston it must be hard to find a, er, bald, heavy-set, red-bearded Muslim from Armenia. Legally, unless “Misha” somehow helped the brothers with their logistics in bombing the marathon, it’d be hard to convict him of anything even if he was advocating outright for terrorism. The First Amendment exception for incitements to violence requires not only intent to incite but that the violence appear imminent. If Misha told them to bomb the marathon the night before they did it, that’s one thing; if he told them to do it a year ago, that’s something else. Could be that he didn’t tell them anything like that at all. But given Awlaki’s career path and the influence he had over his disciples, obviously if you’re the feds you’re interested in knowing more about “Misha,” who he’s talking to, and what he said to the Tsarnaevs — or what they said to him — before the big day.

But maybe this is all only tangentially relevant. According to the timeline in the AP piece, Tamerlan first started chatting with Misha circa 2008 or 2009; it’s not clear if they were even in contact recently. If those chats did somehow set him on the path to last Monday, it’s a long path. and after a preliminary investigation the feds have yet to find anything on the Tsarnaevs’ phones or computers pointing to an accomplice. Exit quotation from a neighbor about Tamerlan: “He had nothing against the American people. He had something against the American government.” So he bombed a marathon?


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So, it wasn’t his feeble mother?

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Oh, please! This is nothing but a cheap ploy to deflect blame. Each brother is guilty, independently and equally, of terrorism and murder. Execute them.

Blake on April 23, 2013 at 8:06 PM

I would like to stress (the acquaintance was) of Armenian descent.

What the heck’s that?

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 8:06 PM

mysterious radical = Chris matthews

Blake on April 23, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Alinsky?

aquaviva on April 23, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Exit quotation from a neighbor about Tamerlan: “He had nothing against the American people. He had something against the American government.” So he bombed a marathon?

Obama today “Muslims have a wonderful religion, bla, bla, bla…” after being asked by a reporter what he thinks of “Islam”. The stupid reporter never followed up.

“Islam is just a tenet of Muslimism” — Brennan

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Family members: Older Tsarnaev brother was influenced by “mysterious radical”

LOL. Anyone who would become a jihadi terrorist didn’t much “influence” to start. You can’t be talked into becoming a primitive, barbaric, despicable enemy of civilization. The fact that anyone would even propose such a thing shows how demented the whole islamic culture is (any of them, as they all produce these errors of evolution at a fairly high frequency).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 23, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Axe, replied this morning that all’s well, was well.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Misha

Let me go ask my American neighbor Alyosha or my other American neighbor Vanka if they know this person.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Family members: Older Tsarnaev brother was influenced by “mysterious radical”
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Must be Democratism/Progressivism as the Radicalism!!
(sarc)

canopfor on April 23, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Axe, replied this morning that all’s well, was well.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Caught it. :) I knew, anyway. Thanks Schad.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 8:10 PM

mysterious radical = Chris matthews

Blake on April 23, 2013 at 8:06 PM

I think it was harry red’s imaginary friend.

VegasRick on April 23, 2013 at 8:10 PM

sesqui is on a sabbatical. She/bluegill are overwhelmed by all that “glee”. They can’t handle that the terrorists are not Sarah Palin people, or some other whitey.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Bill Ayers!

rob verdi on April 23, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Today’s Rs are socialists.

Today’s Ds are radicals, commies, tyrants of all sorts.

Nothing will change after Boston, nada.

It’s only going to get worse.

PC and other stupidities will kill all.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Suddenly thought of Judgement at Nuremberg

Does no one in the entire government understand the concept that being a member of al-Qaeda, or any other AQ franchise, does not come with an official certificate of membership (suitable for framing), a numbered ID card and monogrammed blazer?

The myth of any of these being a “lone wolf” is preposterous.

They are all part of the same movement, the same conspiracy, the same band of thugee cowards killing in the name of Mohammed.

There are no Islamist “lone wolves.”

They want to kill us.

The rest of Islam demands that we submit. If we don’t then the rest of Islam demands they be allowed to either enslave us or kill us. it is written in their official book of instructions…aka The Koran.

They’ve been at war with the West for how long now? Predates 9-11 by several decades, longer, actually. And we still do not acknowledge that they are the enemy?

Over 1.6 billion lone wolves out there.

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 8:13 PM

So in our attempt to avoid blaming Islamic radicalism we’ve gone from Tea Party, to white guy, to our horrible American culture, to the wars in the ME, to now a ghost named “Misha”. Terrific.

Weight of Glory on April 23, 2013 at 8:14 PM

mohammad?

Pork-Chop on April 23, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Exit quotation from a neighbor about Tamerlan: “He had nothing against the American people. He had something against the American government.” So he bombed a marathon?

According to the timeline in the AP piece, Tamerlan first started chatting with Misha circa 2008 or 2009.
=======================================

Thats the Hope and Change era,sumpin stinks!
(sarc)

canopfor on April 23, 2013 at 8:15 PM

“Mysterious radical”? Mohammad, all Muslims’ “Perfect Man” is not a “mysterious radical”.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Bill Ayers!

rob verdi on April 23, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Stole my thunder….

I’ll bet the big unreported story by the AssPress, Brian Williams and other media whores probably will be that the terrorist dirtbag likely voted for Ogabe several times once in Boston, again by absentee if while in Plastiqueistan, and again as a snowbird in Palm Beach County.

viking01 on April 23, 2013 at 8:17 PM

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Heh, of which only the ‘crazy’ uncle ‘denounced’ them.

Give us a break. Obama is them. He made clear of it today.

Hope you’re doing ok coldwarrior.

There are days when the cold war is missed.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I blame Sarah Palin!

myiq2xu on April 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Mysterious Radical: Older Tsarnaev brother was influenced by “Family Members.”

SparkPlug on April 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM

These Muslim killers acted in accordance with what Mohammad would want them to do. How many Muslims have denounced Mohammad and his teachings?

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM

This should worry every American.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

What if this “mysterious radical” is the Saudi Obama just let go?

kingsjester on April 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

The rest of Islam demands that we submit. If we don’t then the rest of Islam demands they be allowed to either enslave us or kill us. it is written in their official book of instructions…aka The Koran.

They’ve been at war with the West for how long now? Predates 9-11 by several decades, longer, actually. And we still do not acknowledge that they are the enemy?

Over 1.6 billion lone wolves out there.

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 8:13 PM

As vital that it is to stand up against the jihadists, it’s just not accurate what you said here. “The rest of Islam” does not all agree with them. 1.6 billion is not true.

Should the moderates speak up more? Yes.

Are we underestimating the threat much of the time because of our society’s PC nature? Yes.

But you’re guilty of the same thing that liberals are when they want to tar and feather the entire conservative movement with a stereotype. And you do the argument no favors by using hyperbole and inflated condemnations.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Rush Limbaugh!!!

That B@stard!

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

How many Muslims have denounced Mohammad and his teachings?

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Not many.

How many Muslims have denounced the Boston terrorists?

None – the ‘crazy’ uncle is crazy as a fox.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:20 PM

What if this “mysterious radical” is the Saudi Obama just let go?

kingsjester on April 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Probably is. And dear leader will tell us all to shut up about radical islam. This will end badly.

VegasRick on April 23, 2013 at 8:21 PM

But you’re guilty of the same thing that liberals are when they want to tar and feather the entire conservative movement with a stereotype. And you do the argument no favors by using hyperbole and inflated condemnations.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

How many Muslims have denounced the Boston terrorists?

None – the ‘crazy’ uncle is crazy as a fox.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:20 PM

When they show up, I’ll listen. Until then, coldwarrior is right.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:22 PM

What if this “mysterious radical” is the Saudi Obama just let go?

kingsjester on April 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

No, he’s in the league of the brothers. The one let go is financed by bigger fish.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:23 PM

I blame Sarah Palin!

myiq2xu on April 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM

…finally… it’s not Bush?

KOOLAID2 on April 23, 2013 at 8:23 PM

This is the first time I’ve heard any Muslim refer to Mohammed as a “mysterious radical”.

Basilsbest on April 23, 2013 at 8:24 PM

It’s not clear if the feds have spoken to “Misha” yet, but in their defense, in a big city like Boston it must be hard to find a, er, bald, heavy-set, red-bearded Muslim from Armenia.

Have the feds checked those pics/videos of Ramadan and Eed celebrations at the White House ? They have a much better chance of finding an actual jihady there, rather than in MS.

burrata on April 23, 2013 at 8:24 PM

,

obviously if you’re the feds you’re interested in knowing more about “Misha,”

There are probably a hundred thousand Mishas in America, not all fat, bald, bearded and mysterious. They are called avid Muslims. They live on your street.

BL@KBIRD on April 23, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Until 9/11 one knew they existed.

Now they are impertinent.

Aside from the opening/closing of this article, all other is correct. The two are lies, because the gov’t did squat, from top to bottom, with all the assets at their disposal.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:25 PM

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Where is the condemnation of the “rest of Islam” then?

Where are the so-called moderates?

From Dagestan and the rest of the world we are getting a lot of noise about all of this being some sort of set-up by the FBI or someone else…and these “boys” are innocent.

I’ve been dealing with militant Islam since the early 1980′s.

Nothing has changed other than there being a lot more willing to carry out heinous acts for the sake of the new caliphate.

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Have sleazy Angela Corey, Angria Mitchell and that shady Florida judge blamed George Zimmerman yet?

Or is NBC still editing, er, “the tapes” and 911 calls?

viking01 on April 23, 2013 at 8:28 PM

How many Muslims have denounced the Boston terrorists?

None – the ‘crazy’ uncle is crazy as a fox.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:20 PM

When they show up, I’ll listen. Until then, coldwarrior is right.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 8:22 PM

No. He’s not. I’ve already seen it on TV and I haven’t even purposely looked around for it.

And just because one does not come out and make a public statement condemning something doesn’t mean that one is planning on doing the same thing themself. Do you call a presser every time a right wing nutjob does something idiotic?

You people sound like liberal cliches when you sit here condmning all 1.6 billion muslims for the sins of the crazies. That’s what David Sirota’s of the world thing Conservatives do. Apparently he’s correct about some of you. Give me a break.

Go after the ones who are actually radical and dangerous – quit trying to turn those who actually are moderates into radicals.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Where is the condemnation of the “rest of Islam” then?

Where are the so-called moderates?

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM

So glad you’ve actually took the time to poll all 1.6 billion of those you just condemned above.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:30 PM

But you’re guilty of the same thing that liberals are when they want to tar and feather the entire conservative movement with a stereotype. And you do the argument no favors by using hyperbole and inflated condemnations.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Which one of the Three Monkeys Of Oblivion are you?

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:31 PM

As vital that it is to stand up against the jihadists, it’s just not accurate what you said here. “The rest of Islam” does not all agree with them. 1.6 billion is not true.

Should the moderates speak up more? Yes.

Are we underestimating the threat much of the time because of our society’s PC nature? Yes.

But you’re guilty of the same thing that liberals are when they want to tar and feather the entire conservative movement with a stereotype. And you do the argument no favors by using hyperbole and inflated condemnations.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM

I smell Bullshiite. As I’ve always heard, a moderate Muslim is a muslim who wants the radical muslim to kill the infidel.

But here. here is a “moderate” liberal:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/georgetown-university-and-men/georgetown-university-in-a-cover-up/

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Although Islam does have some “religious trappings”, it can logically only be classified as a totalitarian system in a category with Communism/Marxism and Fascism/Nazism; and with it’s shariah, without which Islam would not even be Islam, it is even more totalitarian. To instead classify Islam as a religion, as some would do, in a category with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, is logically quite absurd.

The “religion” of the Aztecs, with it’s human sacrifice would surly be banned in the United States. Islam practices human sacrifice on a far greater scale than did the Aztecs, so the case to ban it outright from America is even more compelling. Slavery is now, and has been for a century and a half, illegal in the United States. and Islam enslaves far more women than the Confederate States enslaved Blacks, so here too the case to ban it outright from America is also even more compelling.

Abraham Lincoln once asked, “If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?” The answer, of course, is four, as calling a tail a leg does not make it one. And calling Islam a religion does not make it one either. Islam is a totalitarian system created by a mass murdering, mass torturing, mass enslaving, lying, thieving, misogynist, rapist of little girls, psychopath and has not one redeeming feature. It is a disgrace to mankind and an abomination on womankind. It is the Plague.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Please explain why the Moderate Muslims are not speaking out, instead of slamming Conservatives.

kingsjester on April 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Exit quotation from a neighbor about Tamerlan: “He had nothing against the American people. He had something against the American government.”

This is a boiler plate statement/position I have heard Muslims in the ME state many, many times. Often in reply to questioning concerning their empathy for the alleged grievances and motivations of Islamist terrorists.

Bin Laden was more forthright and explicit. US tax payers fund the foreign policies of the US government, so they are culpable and therefor legitimate targets for terrorist attacks.

farsighted on April 23, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Go after the ones who are actually radical and dangerous – quit trying to turn those who actually are moderates into radicals.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:28 PM

So, we submit?

All is just wonderful, then.

No more infidels.

Just happy followers of Mohammed.

If one is a moderate moslem, then one is not a good moslem…if one reads and follows the Koran.

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Please explain why the Moderate Muslims are not speaking out, instead of slamming Conservatives.

kingsjester on April 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM

I just Googled “muslims condemn boston attack.”

That was really hard.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Mysterious radical? Mohammed. He wrote the book, you know.

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 8:36 PM

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Please explain why the Moderate Muslims are not speaking out, instead of slamming Conservatives.

kingsjester on April 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM

…you’re just asking for cricket’s !

KOOLAID2 on April 23, 2013 at 8:37 PM

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Because, after all, they’ve been all over TV doing it, haven’t they?/

kingsjester on April 23, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Bill Ayers!

rob verdi on April 23, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Stole my thunder….

I’ll bet the big unreported story by the AssPress, Brian Williams and other media whores probably will be that the terrorist dirtbag likely voted for Ogabe several times once in Boston, again by absentee if while in Plastiqueistan, and again as a snowbird in Palm Beach County.

viking01 on April 23, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I swear, do Robert Redford or any of the elite left even grasp how pathetic they are to uplift domestic terrorists?

rob verdi on April 23, 2013 at 8:37 PM

So, we submit?

All is just wonderful, then.

No more infidels.

Just happy followers of Mohammed.

Don’t be ridiculous. In no way did I even remotely imply that.

If one is a moderate moslem, then one is not a good moslem…if one reads and follows the Koran.

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 8:35 PM

And there are a ton of “not a good” muslims in the world. Just as there are a ton of lukewarm Christians and Christians in name only.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Islam does not teach the same sort of compassion for the other that virtually every other religion including today’s “secular humanism” teaches. Muslims murder and torture each other without compunction and their own ummah, “brotherhood” has no condemnation to offer. That’s because they don’t value individual human life the way Christian westerners do. It’s not a concept in Islam, which means it’s not a concept in Muslims “hearts and minds”. Their hearts and minds instead understand what Allah teaches them in the Koran, namely, the Collective Will to Power.

When will our leaders understand this? And moreover understand that it is necessary in the end to treat Muslims in the way they themselves understand moral principles? Which ultimately means that they must be beaten back and vanquished and humiliated by a greater strength. That is clearly what they understand. Every move to win their hearts and minds only strengthens them, emboldens them to advance their own peculiar ethics of the world, which couldn’t give a damn about “hearts and minds”, as we understand the term. They will accept the shehada from anyone they can swindle and connive to recite it while at the same time are willing to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Whatever it takes to build the army of Islamic soldiers is what their ethics is about.

There is no way of avoiding the reality that the adults in this world are going to have to act like adults and step up and slap, and in a big way, Muslims who have made of their own societies the equivalent of “Lord of the Flies” and who now threaten to overrun every more advanced society with their mayhem. We’re going to have to come to terms this reality. Either that or it’s simply going to be cruel for all of us, with no kindness in sight, and possibly no one left to come and rescue us off an Island from Hell that in our passivity and cowardice we allowed to be taken over by moral pygmies.

RasThavas on April 23, 2013 at 8:38 PM

So in our attempt to avoid blaming Islamic radicalism we’ve gone from Tea Party, to white guy, to our horrible American culture, to the wars in the ME, to now a ghost named “Misha”. Terrific.

Weight of Glory on April 23, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Nice succinct summary.

farsighted on April 23, 2013 at 8:39 PM

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM

No really. Don’t hold back….

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 8:40 PM

I’m looking forward to the inevitable defense of Islam in this thread by someone who is willfully ignorant of its teachings. I’ll bet they’ll use the only tactic they know, a false equivalency of Islam with “all religions” (but naturally only Christianity).

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 8:41 PM

In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.

Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, “moderate” majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for “moderates” to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of searching for unicorns.

“Moderate” Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No “moderate” can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammed himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call “moderates” are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Any “moderates” will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be ‘moderates’ in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”

Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of “moderates”, making them irrelevant.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on April 23, 2013 at 8:42 PM

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Looks like I was too late. /sigh

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 8:44 PM

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 8:41 PM

MikeknaJ seems to be on that path already.

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Northwestern University likely now will require a terrorism disenfranchisement diversity course to graduate and Columbia University will invite Tsarnaev as guest speaker… unless Achmadenijad gets first dibs.

viking01 on April 23, 2013 at 8:46 PM

I just Googled “muslims condemn boston attack.”

That was really hard.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:36 PM

And how many have condemned Mohammad whose teachings the killers were following?

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:47 PM

I just Googled “muslims condemn boston attack.”

That was really hard.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Googling? Nah! You prove that any idiot can do it.

The problem is that you didn’t bother reading the results. Muslim group after Muslim group condemned the attack but did they condemn the bombers with whom they share their religion? The answer to that would be no.

Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Northwestern University likely now will require a terrorism disenfranchisement diversity course to graduate and Columbia University will invite Tsarnaev as guest speaker… unless Achmadenijad gets first dibs.

viking01 on April 23, 2013 at 8:46 PM

That will come after he publishes his first book, “Dreams From My Prophet”, very appropriately ghosted by … … Bill Ayers.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:49 PM

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 8:41 PM

MikeknaJ seems to be on that path already.

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 8:44 PM

It’s sad that just because one does not agree that all 1.6 billion Muslims are ticking time bombs that I’m automatically someone who’s ignorant about Islam and deserve to be mocked.

You sound like a feminist who thinks all men are dangerous potential raptists just because some men are sexually deviant.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:49 PM

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on April 23, 2013 at 8:42 PM

This is the essential problem. Muslims aren’t the problem, Islam is the problem. And there’s nothing Muslims can do about it. Islam may not be interpreted. It is the literal word of god in his own language (Arabic, natch). You can’t push the extremists out… They’re the only one’s following the example of the prophet.

It’s just a totally sick religion. I feel truly sorry for anyone born into such a disgusting cult. I’m sure hundreds of millions would leave, but they’re terrified (not just by Allah) but especially their fellow Muslims who condemn them to death for apostasy.

We’re doing them no favors by “respecting” their ridiculous death cult.

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 8:51 PM

No really. Don’t hold back….

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 8:40 PM

I thought I was being quite moderate and understated the case if anything.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Hey, let’s just throw a Hot Air Forum party where we extend our Forum official invitation to all moderate Muslims to please officially radicalize themselves!

Because we here in the Hot Air forums have already all decided that’s what you are anyway!

Why focus the mission on the truly dangerous when we can take on the entire Muslim world!

*facepalm*

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I’m looking forward to the inevitable defense of Islam in this thread by someone who is willfully ignorant of its teachings. I’ll bet they’ll use the only tactic they know, a false equivalency of Islam with “all religions” (but naturally only Christianity).

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Equivalency of Islam with all religions? From my understanding of the “religion of peace” they pretty much have disdain for other faiths and deem Islam as the only true faith. All that talk of evquivalency is just for public consumption among the infidels.

Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I’ve been dealing with militant Islam since the early 1980′s.

Nothing has changed other than there being a lot more willing to carry out heinous acts for the sake of the new caliphate.

coldwarrior on April 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM

“In Eurasia the great historic fault lines between civilizations are once more aflame. This is particularly true along the boundaries of the crescent-shaped Islamic bloc of nations, from the bulge of Africa to central Asia. Violence also occurs between Muslims, on the one hand, and Orthodox Serbs in the Balkans, Jews in Israel, Hindus in India, Buddhists in Burma and Catholics in the Philippines. Islam has bloody borders.

Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power”

Quotes from Samuel P. Huntington, who is beginning to sound like a prophet as time goes on.

Islam’s borders and innards are creeping into the innards of the West.

farsighted on April 23, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Mohammed is hardly mysterious.

A murdering, child molesting radical, yes.

But hardly mysterious.

catmman on April 23, 2013 at 8:56 PM

And there are a ton of “not a good” muslims in the world. Just as there are a ton of lukewarm Christians and Christians in name only.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Then these “not a good” muslims should approve of those of us who denounce Mohammad, the Koran and Islam as they can’t well speak out and do it themselves.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I thought I was being quite moderate and understated the case if anything.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:51 PM

I am, actually, quite impressed by your restraint.

I just Googled “muslims condemn boston attack.”

That was really hard.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Try googling “global cooling” from the 70′s. You’ll find that hard too.

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Do you call a presser every time a right wing nutjob does something idiotic?

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Well, let’s take, for example, the westboro baptist church. A presser? People go out in droves to counter protest those idiots. Can you imagine if westboro blew up a marathon? They’d cease to exist. How can you even think about excusing the muslim silence by comparing those apes to civilized society?

Ronnie on April 23, 2013 at 8:59 PM

This is the first time I’ve heard any Muslim refer to Mohammed as a “mysterious radical”.

Basilsbest on April 23, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Well, he’s mysterious to the degree that he probably didn’t exist.

http://www.amazon.com/Did-Muhammad-Exist-Inquiry-Obscure/dp/161017061X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1366765080&sr=8-4&keywords=robert+spencer

WhatSlushfund on April 23, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Hey, let’s just throw a Hot Air Forum party where we extend our Forum official invitation to all moderate Muslims to please officially radicalize themselves!

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:52 PM

They follow the teachings of Mohammad, not hotair. I would have thought even you would have figured that out by now.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Then these “not a good” muslims should approve of those of us who denounce Mohammad, the Koran and Islam as they can’t well speak out and do it themselves.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 8:57 PM

When did I ever say we shouldn’t be critical of Mohammad or the Koran?

When did I say moderate muslims should not be more vocal in denouncing terrorism? I said just the opposite, above.

Try googling “global cooling” from the 70′s. You’ll find that hard too.

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 8:58 PM

So you autmomatically assume I’m a liberal who believes in Global Warming just because I don’t think all 1.6 billion muslims are jihadists?

Lame.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Hey, let’s just throw a Hot Air Forum party where we extend our Forum official invitation to all moderate Muslims to please officially radicalize themselves!

Because we here in the Hot Air forums have already all decided that’s what you are anyway!

Why focus the mission on the truly dangerous when we can take on the entire Muslim world!

*facepalm*

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:52 PM

God forbid, if you ever reached 25% of the population, the party would have already started.

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I don’t think most Muslims are “radicalized”, far from it. I think most Muslims are remarkably good and peaceful people. Thankfully they are ignoring (or simply terrified of) the central teachings of Islam. Thankfully they are ignoring the example set by the prophet.

Unfortunately, a rather large number are actually taking it seriously. It’s a real bummer.

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 9:03 PM

So you autmomatically assume I’m a liberal who believes in Global Warming just because I don’t think all 1.6 billion muslims are jihadists?

Lame.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Read your bible. What % of muslims voted for O’bozo?

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Not all Muslims are murderous terrorists, true.

But most murderous terrorists are Muslims…yes.

catmman on April 23, 2013 at 9:05 PM

And there are a ton of “not a good” muslims in the world. Just as there are a ton of lukewarm Christians and Christians in name only.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:38 PM

While I agree that there may be tons of lukewarm Christians and Cino’s the difference is the Christians are NOT planting explosives at the feet of innocent women and children at sporting events. But you know that, right?

D-fusit on April 23, 2013 at 9:06 PM

So you autmomatically assume I’m a liberal who believes in Global Warming just because I don’t think all 1.6 billion muslims are jihadists?

Lame.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Also, how many countries with between, say 15-45% muslim population are not in constant civil war?

yeah.

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I don’t think most Muslims are “radicalized”, far from it. I think most Muslims are remarkably good and peaceful people. Thankfully they are ignoring (or simply terrified of) the central teachings of Islam. Thankfully they are ignoring the example set by the prophet.

Unfortunately, a rather large number are actually taking it seriously. It’s a real bummer.

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I agree. But the louder voices in this thread seem to think otherwise and that they’re all radical lone wolves in waiting. Which was the whole point that I was contradicting.

Read your bible. What % of muslims voted for O’bozo?

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 9:04 PM

That makes zero sense. Moving on.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I’m getting pretty sick of the nit-picking on *how* these turds were radicalized. Does it really matter how? Radical Islam is everywhere, from Cambridge to the Mid East. The focus should be on intel and stopping these f’ers, not on the academics of radicalization, which can never be stopped.

Jackalope on April 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Not all Muslims are murderous terrorists, true.

But most murderous terrorists are Muslims…yes.

catmman on April 23, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Yup.

While I agree that there may be tons of lukewarm Christians and Cino’s the difference is the Christians are NOT planting explosives at the feet of innocent women and children at sporting events. But you know that, right?

D-fusit on April 23, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Obviously.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM

So you autmomatically assume I’m a liberal who believes in Global Warming just because I don’t think all 1.6 billion muslims are jihadists?

Lame.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:01 PM

No one said all Muslims are jihadists. Not all of Hitlers Nazis were Gestapo or SS, in fact only a very small percentage were and the rest were support.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 9:09 PM

some men are sexually deviant.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:49 PM

…so, what’s your story?

KOOLAID2 on April 23, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Lukewarm Christians and Christians in name only….

What kind of a maniacal religious fanatic skips church because of the early NFL game on Sunday?

But i suppose they are much more of a problem to world stability than so pesky, splodey Muslims…

catmman on April 23, 2013 at 9:11 PM

So you autmomatically assume I’m a liberal who believes in Global Warming just because I don’t think all 1.6 billion muslims are jihadists?

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:01 PM

You’re just a garden-variety douche who thinks he is far more clever than he actually is. Not all Muslims are terrorists but I would ask you the last time that there has been a terror attack in the United States that did not involve a Muslim?

By my count it is at least 1995 (OKC bombing) or 1996 (Centennial Park bombing) depending on what motives and your definition of a terror attack.

Happy Nomad on April 23, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I don’t think most Muslims are “radicalized”, far from it. I think most Muslims are remarkably good and peaceful people. Thankfully they are ignoring (or simply terrified of) the central teachings of Islam. Thankfully they are ignoring the example set by the prophet.

Unfortunately, a rather large number are actually taking it seriously. It’s a real bummer.

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 9:03 PM

This.

farsighted on April 23, 2013 at 9:12 PM

No one said all Muslims are jihadists. Not all of Hitlers Nazis were Gestapo or SS, in fact only a very small percentage were and the rest were support.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 9:09 PM

You’re not paying attention to the thread above, which was the reason I posted to begin with.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:12 PM

That makes zero sense. Moving on.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:07 PM

actually, at this point it’s called dodging.

WryTrvllr on April 23, 2013 at 9:13 PM

some men are sexually deviant.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Like Mohammad who as a fifty some year old raped little girls. But then he is all Muslims’ “Perfect Man”.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 9:14 PM

When did I say moderate muslims should not be more vocal in denouncing terrorism? I said just the opposite, above.
MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Muslims (moderate or otherwise) may not denounce that which Mohammed commands. There is simply no room for interpretation in Islam. The Koran may not be interpreted. This isn’t a “radical” thing… The whole religion is built on the presumption that the Koran is literally the word of Allah merely transcribed by Mohammed… The entire thing.

It’s all well and good to “call on moderate Muslims to denounce terrorism.” But what you’re really asking them to do is denounce their whole religion. To denounce their prophet. This is why it always seems so odd and shady when they do the “denouncing”. They have to be very careful to parse it just right, else they cease to be Muslim altogether.

happytobehere on April 23, 2013 at 9:14 PM

You’re not paying attention to the thread above, which was the reason I posted to begin with.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I have no interest in making an historical research project out of you.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM

While I agree that there may be tons of lukewarm Christians and Cino’s the difference is the Christians are NOT planting explosives at the feet of innocent women and children at sporting events. But you know that, right?

D-fusit on April 23, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Obviously.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Then why did you introduce them into your response?

D-fusit on April 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Time for FBI to check Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers phone records

Ala Pundit on April 23, 2013 at 9:17 PM

I have no interest in making an historical research project out of you.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Sure, just jump right in and put words in my mouth then.

Apparently I suck because I hate radical Islam but refuse to call all 1.6 billion muslims lone wolf terror suspects, and had the nerve to actually make that comment here then defend it.

Have a nice day.

MikeknaJ on April 23, 2013 at 9:18 PM

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