Tsarnaev’s final phone call, and renewed interest in 2011 triple homicide

posted at 12:01 pm on April 22, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

With the dragnet over in the Boston Marathon bombing, attention has turned to the history of the Tsarnaev family, especially over the last few years.  When they first arrived in the US, the Tsarnaevs were refugees looking for a better life, far from the conflicts of their Chechnyan homeland — a pattern of flight that was almost 70 years old in the Tsarnaev family.  What changed?  According to the Wall Street Journal, Tamerlan became immersed in a more radical form of Islam, joined by his mother — which split the family.

Law-enforcement officials trying to understand what happened in Boston are looking into whether Tamerlan Tsarnaev had taken a turn toward radical Islam. Among the things they are examining: a six-month trip he took last year to Dagestan, a republic in Russia’s south, bordering Chechnya.

A close examination of the Tsarnaev family shows that, over the past five years or so, the personal lives of the family members slipped into turmoil, according to interviews with the parents, relatives and friends. The upheaval in the household was driven, at least in part, by a growing interest in religion by both Tamerlan and his mother.

Once known as a quiet teenager who aspired to be a boxer, Tamerlan Tsarnaev delved deeply into religion in recent years at the urging of his mother, who feared he was slipping into a life of marijuana, girls and alcohol. Tamerlan quit drinking and smoking, gave up boxing because he thought it was in opposition to his religion, and began pushing the rest of his family to pursue stricter ways, his mother recalled. …

The changes drove a wedge through the Tsarnaev home at 410 Norfolk St., in Cambridge, Mass. Tamerlan persuaded his mother to cover herself up, which she says at one point distressed her husband, Anzor. “He said, ‘You are being crazy, covering yourselves,’” she recalled her husband saying. She said that she told him, “This is what Islamic men should want. This is what I am supposed to do.”

The parents’ marriage broke up about two years ago. The father—a former boxer himself who was distraught when Tamerlan gave up the sport—has since moved to Dagestan after falling ill. Both parents believe that their sons are being framed for the Boston attack.

This closeness led Tamerlan to make one final phone call to his mother during the police chase that ended his life on Friday morning:

Days later, it was the son who phoned his mother. The two, in recent years, had shared a powerful transformation to a more intense brand of Islam.

“The police, they have started shooting at us, they are chasing us,” Mrs. Tsarnaeva says Tamerlan told her. “Mama, I love you.” Then the phone went silent.

Until now, I hadn’t seen that fact reported, although I certainly might have missed it in the deluge of information over the last few days.  The WSJ apparently gleaned it from the mother during their interview.  The entire article is worth reading at least for background material on the evolution in the Tsarnaev family, with some familiar information included with a few new tidbits about the warning signs of Tamerlan’s increasing radicalism.

ABC News also has a video up of Tsarnaev family history, most of it treading over now-familiar ground, but with some interesting back story on the family’s attempt to avoid the conflict in Chechnya:

The timing of Tamerlan’s trip to Russia is intriguing, especially since his father wasn’t there until late in Tamerlan’s visit, according to ABC’s timeline:

A few years ago — the aunt did not recall exactly when — the father was severely beaten by what she described as a group of Russian athletes as he tried to defend another person from them. The beating left him with medical problems that did not improve with treatment in the United States.

Eventually, with his health failing and having lost a significant amount of weight, the father decided to come back to Dagestan in May 2012. Tamerlan, his oldest son, had just arrived there a couple months earlier.

Anzor Tsarnaev decided to pursue medical treatment, figuring that if he died, he would at least be buried here. The mother eventually joined him in Dagestan a month later.

Tamerlan didn’t just stick around Dagestan, either:

During his six-month stay in Dagestan, Tamerlan made several trips to Chechnya to visit relatives, his aunt said. He returned to the United States in September, departing the region from the airport in Grozny, the Chechen capital.

Apparently, that never set off any red flags in either Russia or the US.  Neither did a two-year-old triple homicide that friends now believe isn’t a coincidence:

Former associates of slain Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamarlan Tsarnaev now believe he may have been involved in a 2011 triple murder that claimed the life of his closest American friend, Brendan Mess.

“At the time none of would have thought it was Tam. It was just so emotional and we thought we had someone else who had done it. Tam’s name wasn’t coming up at all,” said one of their mutual friends, who asked to be identified by his first name, Ray.

Now “a few of my friends, without even speaking about it beforehand have all been thinking” that Tsarnaev could have been connected to the 2011 murder, he said. Ray and Tsarnaev were both part of a social circle centered on the gym at which Tsarnaev trained and on a Boston hip-hop group called FlyRidaz, whose members this week expressed shock at having known the suspected killer.

In part, that comes from recollections of Tsarnaev’s odd behavior at the time of his close friend’s murder:

The owner of the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts in Allston, John Allan, told reportersthat Tsarnaev described Mess to him as his “best friend.”

So the Cambridge crew were surprised in the fall of 2011 that Tsarnaev didn’t show up at his best friend’s funeral. Now, they see it as a clue.

“Tam wasn’t there at the memorial service, he wasn’t at the funeral, he wasn’t around at all,” Ray said. “And he was really close with Brendan. That’s why it’s so weird when he said ‘I don’t have any American friends.’”

“He was somebody who was in contact with Brendan on a daily basis. Anybody like that you would think they would have been around,” Ray said.

The police have always suspected that the murderers were known to the victims, due to the lack of forced entry, but apparently never had Tsarnaev on their radar screens.  That may change after the last week — or it may just be a coincidence.  After reading the history of Tamerlan’s radicalization, though, the 2011 time frame seems to be when his fervor was beginning to peak.  That might pique the curiosity of investigators stymied by this unsolved murder, too.  In fact, it already has:

Authorities are investigating whether the Boston Marathon bombing suspect who died after a shootout with police had any connection to an unsolved triple homicide in suburban Boston in 2011, a spokeswoman for prosecutors said on Monday.

The 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, identified by the FBI as one of two brothers suspected in last Monday’s blasts, was a close friend of one of three men who were stabbed in the neck in an apartment in Waltham, Massachusetts in September, 2011.

At the time, the Middlesex County District Attorney’s office said it appeared that the victims knew their assailant or assailants and that the attacks were not random.

Tsarnaev’s potential connection to the case surfaced after the website Buzzfeed.com reported that some of his former associates suspect he may have been involved in the murder.

“We are definitely going to pursue any new leads,” said Stephanie Guyotte, a spokeswoman for the Middlesex District Attorney’s office. She said it was fair to say that investigators will check to see if Tsarnaev had anything to do with the crime.

I wonder what else they may find ….

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Too bad the 2nd one lives.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:03 PM

AND Mommy still denies they did this?

OmahaConservative on April 22, 2013 at 12:04 PM

I would take everything his family says with a HUGE grain of salt.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM

His mother appears suicidal.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I would take everything his family says with a HUGE grain of salt.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Indeed, including the ‘good’ uncle.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

I think this blog needs a synopsis of the many acts of terrorism the Chechnyans were behind.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Will Dear Leader assert Executive Priviledge with regards to what Eric Holder knew about these lovely young men and the FBI’s investigation of them..?

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM

This topic is related to the ‘immigration’, er amnesty debate.

They came here to join an uncle, who’d been here for a time.

Lots of scum in the US, and way more to join with amnesty…even remotely related.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Despite what is coming out, the LSM will assert over and over that Islam had no part of the bombers’ motivation. It has to be something else.

Liam on April 22, 2013 at 12:08 PM

The How To Minimize The Fact That They Were Muslim machinery is going into full gear.

So we must allow the entire foreign branch of the family in the the country now to show that we are not targeting the good Muslims.

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 12:09 PM

We need to check with Tom Brokaw on what we did wrong…

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 12:09 PM

This ought to blossom into quite a treasure trove of information. Financial forensics to see who was propping them up. Social network forensics to see who is not available all of a suddent. I’d like the name of the FBI agent that passed on the warning he ignored and his reason.

DanMan on April 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Days later, it was the son who phoned his mother. The two, in recent years, had shared a powerful transformation to a more intense brand of Islam.

“The police, they have started shooting at us, they are chasing us,” Mrs. Tsarnaeva says Tamerlan told her. “Mama, I love you.” Then the phone went silent.

She, like the ‘good’ uncle didn’t report them.

They can all go to Hell, er the virgins.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

and again, an ABC video produces script errors

DanMan on April 22, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Days later, it was the son who phoned his mother. The two, in recent years, had shared a powerful transformation to a more intense brand of Islam.

Understatement of the year.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM

gave up boxing because he thought it was in opposition to his religion

Yeah, okay, but bombing innocents and murdering police are okay?

John the Libertarian on April 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Nothing like a dead terrorist for the police to clear out their unsolved murders files.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

The How To Minimize The Fact That They Were Muslim machinery is going into full gear.

So we must allow the entire foreign branch of the family in the the country now to show that we are not targeting the good Muslims.

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 12:09 PM

pb, none summed up what happened better than you did, short and true. I’ll keep posting it because the US is being snookered, royally, from the very top.

Obama failed to protect the nation.

The FBI failed.

The CIA failed.

The DHS failed.

The Boston Police failed.

And Islam is still the unmentionable root of it all.

profitsbeard on April 21, 2013 at 3:10 AM

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

“Warrants?! We don’t need no stinking warrants…”

Akzed on April 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

and again, an ABC video produces script errors

DanMan on April 22, 2013 at 12:12 PM

What’s behind it?

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM

I wonder what else they may find ….

PBS membership cards?

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Killing your American friends is quite a twist on the “awww he had no American friends” narrative proffered by liberals in the media.

msmveritas on April 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Days later, it was the son who phoned his mother. The two, in recent years, had shared a powerful transformation to a more intense brand of Islam.

Understatement of the year.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Yes, they prayed harder.

VegasRick on April 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM

The first one arrested, a Saudi, was able to uh, pull some strings, or have them pulled, in a very effective manner.

Akzed on April 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Neither did a two-year-old triple homicide that friends now believe isn’t a coincidence:

Another shoe drops indicating this guy had numerous feet.

rukiddingme on April 22, 2013 at 12:19 PM

I guess if bombs go off in 20 cities we’ll see this in twenty cities.

And it seems that now, if they don’t like your looks during an emergency, not only can they treat you this way they needn’t bother with no silly 5th Amendment.

Akzed on April 22, 2013 at 12:21 PM

The mother with a criminal record should be deported along with the rest of this muzzie family. They’re all lying through their teeth, and I fear the mess that FBI, CIA, DOJ, etc. are making of this.

MustLoveBlogs on April 22, 2013 at 12:21 PM

So when will the FBI have King Barry claim “Executive Privilege” on their botched initial investigation of Tamerlan?

GarandFan on April 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM

MustLoveBlogs on April 22, 2013 at 12:21 PM

The mother lives in Russia with the father…

OmahaConservative on April 22, 2013 at 12:25 PM

The ‘wonderful’ family

I wonder what else they may find

That they were Caucasians.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:26 PM

It’s a good thing that there are always drills taking place nearby of the same kind as the attacks when these attacks go off.

Akzed on April 22, 2013 at 12:26 PM

He “wore regular American-ish clothes,” said Ray, also 26, who said he lost touch with him directly after the murder of Mess, along with Raphael Teken, 37, and Erik Weissman, 31 on Sept. 12, 2011, in nearby Waltham.

Teken and Weissman were Jews. Another clue I would think.

Cutty on April 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Despite what is coming out, the LSM will assert over and over that Islam had no part of the bombers’ motivation. It has to be something else.

Well, in our local paper the dreaded ‘M’ and ‘I’ words are not used or even hinted at in coverage of this atrocity.

Shortly after the news of links to islam, the usual story of local muslims interviewed disavowing these two as being recent conversts lacking devotion to true islam and failing to understand the peaceful and tolerant teachings of the koran.

hawkeye54 on April 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM

sounds like what happens when you add rhoid rage to jihadism…and find out your American wrestling buddies are homosexual…

amazing balance///

gracie on April 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM

And Islam is still the unmentionable root of it all.

profitsbeard on April 21, 2013 at 3:10 AM

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

I gave people Korans after 9/11 saying they might want to read the Playbook for the future Terror.

Most shrugged… and read their usual pop lit instead.

But you would expect the security apparatus heads and functionaries to have been ORDERED to read it.

Still not.

I doubt that even Obama ever read more than a few suras in grade school.

Much less morons like McCain or Boehner or even would-be presidents like Romney or the rest.

It’s a short book.

And compares well to Stephen King’s febrile fantasies of revenge, horror and mayhem.

(Maybe that angle would get more people to dip into this well of sanctified putrescence?)

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM

There’s an innocent, if unpleasant, explanation for Tsarnaev to have shunned his murdered friend’s memorial services:

Salafis regard participating in any unbeliever’s religious observances as a big no-no.

Even having non-Muslim friends is a problem.

Of course, to examine any unpleasant features of the varieties of Islam is a big haram no-no for the media and law enforcement, so off they go.

DRPrice on April 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM

gave up boxing because he thought it was in opposition to his religion

Yeah, okay, but bombing innocents and murdering police are okay?

John the Libertarian on April 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Well yeah. The goal of boxing isn’t to kill infidels.

Aviator on April 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Tamerlan Tsarnaev delved deeply into religion in recent years at the urging of his mother, who feared he was slipping into a life of marijuana, girls and alcohol.

Oops. Now wonder she’s in denial – she’s afraid its her fault.

AndStatistics on April 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM

^ *no

AndStatistics on April 22, 2013 at 12:31 PM

The Brainwashed wife has lawyered up…

“Federal authorities have asked to speak with the wife of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and her lawyer said Sunday he is discussing with them how to proceed…

Amato DeLuca told The Associated Press that Katherine Russell Tsarnaev did not speak to federal officials who came to her parents’ home in North Kingstown, R.I., Sunday evening, where she has been staying since her husband was killed during a getaway attempt early Friday.

Tsarnaev, 26, and his brother, Dzhokhar, 19, two ethnic Chechen brothers from southern Russia, are accused of planting two explosives near the marathon finish line Monday, killing three people and injuring more than 180. A motive remains unclear.

DeLuca said he spoke with the officials instead, but would not offer further details….”

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0422/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-wife-What-did-she-know-about-bombings-video

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 12:33 PM

How long before we hear from MSNBC, “This was a GOOD boy, he called his Mom!”

GarandFan on April 22, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Shortly after the news of links to islam, the usual story of local muslims interviewed disavowing these two as being recent conversts lacking devotion to true islam and failing to understand the peaceful and tolerant teachings of the koran.

hawkeye54 on April 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM

There is such a thing as corporate responsibility. I get sick and tired of Muslim-Americans disavowing themselves of any violent act, lecturing us all on just how super peaceful and tolerant Islam is- especially to infidels, and of course doing nothing about the radicalized elements within those mosques.

Nadal Hassan and Tamerlan Tsarnaev were the products of American Islam. Time for that faith to own up to their own failings instead of demanding we not hold them responsible for these atrocities performed in the name of their god.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Grassley and Schumer go at it..

http://c-spanvideo.org/clip/4440865

melle1228 on April 22, 2013 at 12:36 PM

How long before we hear from MSNBC, “This was a GOOD boy, he called his Mom!”

GarandFan on April 22, 2013 at 12:34 PM

They’ve got to figure out the narrative first. Is Tamerlan an evil sociopath that brainwashed all those around him? Or is he the innocent all-American Muslim who calls his mom?

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Miss Lucy says we meed to pass the comprehensive immigration reform bill to get people like this out of the shadows. But, the murderous brothers weren’t in the shadows and the FBI had been warned about the older one and did nothing.

bw222 on April 22, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Don’t you dare

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

“Federal authorities have asked to speak with the wife of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and her lawyer said Sunday he is discussing with them how to proceed…

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 12:33 PM

To channel nonpartisan when we don’t want ‘universal background checks’ for our guns…What is she hiding?

Liam on April 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

The Brainwashed wife has lawyered up…

“Federal authorities have asked to speak with the wife of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and her lawyer said Sunday he is discussing with them how to proceed…

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 12:33 PM

So she’s “brainwashed” but isn’t stupid.

Honestly, just the lawsuits from victims naming Tamerlan’s estate as a defendent would make it wise to lawyer up. Throw in possible charges of co-conspiracy if she knew stuff ahead of the attacks and a lawyer is a necessity.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:41 PM

gave up boxing because he thought it was in opposition to his religion

Yeah, okay, but bombing innocents and murdering police are okay?

John the Libertarian on April 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Well… yes, apparently. We’ve learned this the hard way, have we not?

Midas on April 22, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Tsarnaev’s final phone call, and renewed interest in 2011 triple homicide

So he wasn’t ordering the Pizza to be delivered in 30 minutes
or less??

ToddPA on April 22, 2013 at 12:42 PM

According to Senator Graham, the FBI missed that little trip back home because the bomber’s name was misspelled on his boarding pass.

As Mark Steyn points out, any of the rest of us who fly have to go to extremes to get our names matched (and it’s happened to me too when an airline employee has made a mistake), we have to take our shoes off and endure the rest of the TSA security theater, and this guy makes a joke out of it.

Drained Brain on April 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM

The stupidest creature in the entire saga is the dead one’s wife.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM

That the majority of people are ignorant is one thing.

That the entire ‘leadership’ is derelict is terrifying.

They will destroy the land, from within, mostly the Rs enabling the Ds.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:47 PM

OmahaConservative on April 22, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Thank you. I had read that she was arrested for shoplifting at the Lord and Taylor store; I suppose that was before she moved back to Russia. Also, she ran the spa out of her home, but that too must have been before she moved.

MustLoveBlogs on April 22, 2013 at 12:47 PM

“The police, they have started shooting at us, they are chasing us,” Mrs. Tsarnaeva says Tamerlan told her. “Mama, I love you.” Then the phone went silent.

Jeepers, these guys were seriously into calling and tweeting.
Wonder if he fired off a tweet or two as his bro was dragging him under the car?

justltl on April 22, 2013 at 12:48 PM

It is horrific that, after all the wasted resources, the 2nd one lives…to waste way more of your taxes and provide lots of propaganda.

How many ‘good’ Muslims have denounced what happened?

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:50 PM

I just hope the Al-Awlaki link is discovered before SCOTUS rulings are upon us.

I can very easily see ghey mirage and a few other rulings being used to obfuscate the hard islam facts.

budfox on April 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM

The stupidest creature in the entire saga is the dead one’s wife.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM

It’s a race between her and her p*ssy of a father.

That girls father needs to be bitch-slapped by Tsarnaev’s uncle.

“He was loser! Why you not stopping her!”

budfox on April 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM

“Federal authorities have asked to speak with the wife of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and her lawyer said Sunday he is discussing with them how to proceed…

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 12:33 PM

To channel nonpartisan when we don’t want ‘universal background checks’ for our guns…What is she hiding?

Liam on April 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Sure….every single person in contact with these two never ever suspected anything…

(Except the Uncle who called them losers on Teevee and wouldn’t let his own kids hang with their cousins?)

The mother is a fan of Alex Jones and arranges marriages for her daughters.

She gets busted for shoplifting over $!,000.00 worth of clothes from Lord & Taylor.

She tells a client that her husband arranged to have their kidnapped grandchild (taken to Russia by the Daddy) returned to America…but then has to bugout back to the homeland shortly afterward.

Then Momma returns to the Homeland to tend Daddy cause he’s sick or something (Must be the food…maybe the water?)

Momma says Tamerlan was controlled by the FBI or something…

FBI raids sisters house in NJ over the weekend and re-arrest some of his college pals.

Now there’s a free Jhar hashtag on twitter & a fundraising campaign setup by his pothead friends because Jhar was victimized by the Illuminati or something….Poems and songs written by admirers…

I suppose next these young idiots will claim his wounds were caused by Zombie bite…

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Obama failed to protect the nation.

The FBI failed.

The CIA failed.

The DHS failed.

The Boston Police failed.

And Islam is still the unmentionable root of it all.

profitsbeard on April 21, 2013 at 3:10 AM

And they want to take away our 2nd amendment rights so we can “fail” too if we are attacked.

Altho, I might disagree with you regarding the Boston police. I think the FBI pretty much takes over from the police when something likes this crosses their radar. I listened to the Boston PD scanner Friday night into the morning and they seemed to me to be methodically doing their jobs
trying to search and seal the perimeters in the housing areas they thought the suspects might be.

Amjean on April 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Triple homicide by knife to the throat. Pressure cooker bombings. MA gun legislation is doing its job: driving murderers to alternative weapons.

hungrymongo on April 22, 2013 at 12:58 PM

gave up boxing because he thought it was in opposition to his religion

Yeah, okay, but bombing innocents and murdering police are okay?

John the Libertarian on April 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Actually, all militant “sports” are considered “good” by Islam. Judo, Karate, boxing, wrestling, shooting, etc., etc.

Only sports that do not convey some war-related skills are frowned on.

Boxing would have been perfectly acceptable.

So someone is lying… as usual

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 12:59 PM

The Brainwashed wife has lawyered up…

“Federal authorities have asked to speak with the wife of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and her lawyer said Sunday he is discussing with them how to proceed…

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 12:33 PM

So she’s “brainwashed” but isn’t stupid.

Honestly, just the lawsuits from victims naming Tamerlan’s estate as a defendent would make it wise to lawyer up. Throw in possible charges of co-conspiracy if she knew stuff ahead of the attacks and a lawyer is a necessity.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Tamerlan was un-employed…what estate?

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 1:02 PM

The owner of the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts in Allston, John Allan, told reportersthat Tsarnaev described Mess to him as his “best friend.”

So when did Tamerlan assert he had no American friends, before or after his best friend’s death? Or was Mess not an American either?

Anyway, if Mess was not Muslim, then it stands to good reason a radicalized Muslim is not going to attend a religious oriented funeral (was it?), no matter how close they were.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Altho, I might disagree with you regarding the Boston police. I think the FBI pretty much takes over from the police when something likes this crosses their radar. I listened to the Boston PD scanner Friday night into the morning and they seemed to me to be methodically doing their jobs
trying to search and seal the perimeters in the housing areas they thought the suspects might be.

Amjean on April 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM

How about the Boston Police issuing a directive last Monday MORNING:

NO BACKPACKS ALLOWED AT THE BEGINNING OR END OF THE RACE ROUTE .

Might have solved a problem, no?

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Tamerlan was un-employed…what estate?

[workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 1:02 PM]

A pile of smelly sneakers, a pair of used boxing gloves, a few jockstraps and a partially eaten lunch?

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 1:04 PM

The stupidest creature in the entire saga is the dead one’s wife.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM

It’s a race between her and her p*ssy of a father.

That girls father needs to be bitch-slapped by Tsarnaev’s uncle.

“He was loser! Why you not stopping her!”

budfox on April 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Yep!

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM

“Gotta go, Mom. Riddled with bullets and dumbass Dzhokhar dragging me under escape car.” :(

justltl on April 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Akzed on April 22, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Well, the cops didn’t shut down ALL the businesses. They told the staff at Dunkin’ Donuts that everything was OK and “nobody was gonna get shot,”…so DD could open up for the cops.

http://www.popehat.com/2013/04/20/security-theater-martial-law-and-a-tale-that-trumps-every-cop-and-donut-joke-youve-ever-heard/

Solaratov on April 22, 2013 at 1:06 PM

“Gotta go, Mom. Riddled with bullets and dumbass Dzhokhar dragging me under escape car.” :(

justltl on April 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM

“Mom…Ummmm…Tam ran into my car…Gotta go find a boat”

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

So he might be a mass murderer, too.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

It’s a good thing that there are always drills taking place nearby of the same kind as the attacks when these attacks go off.

Akzed on April 22, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Just a matter of time before the truthers started spreading their BS.

How about giving some of these debunkings a read.

http://metabunk.org/forums/27-Boston-Marathon-Bombings

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 22, 2013 at 1:10 PM

The Brainwashed wife has lawyered up…

“Federal authorities have asked to speak with the wife of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and her lawyer said Sunday he is discussing with them how to proceed…

Amato DeLuca told The Associated Press that Katherine Russell Tsarnaev did not speak to federal officials who came to her parents’ home in North Kingstown, R.I., Sunday evening, where she has been staying since her husband was killed during a getaway attempt early Friday.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was MARRIED? Why was there no mention of this little tidbit in the media? Did his wife know that Tamerlan was going to the Boston Marathon with his little brother to blow up innocent spectators? If Tamerlan persuaded his mother to “cover herself up”, what would his wife with an Anglo maiden name like Katherine Russell be thinking–that she would be the next to wear a hijab for him? If Tamerlan was suspected in a triple murder in 2011, maybe she feared for her own life?

Federal agents SHOULD talk to Ms. Russell Tsarnaev. Like ask her whether Tamerlan was talking to Dzhokhar, or other people, about bomb building. Or did Tamerlan spend a lot of time away from her, and what was he doing? Or does she have access to a computer that Tamerlan might have used, and who were his Email contacts, who might have also been co-conspirators?

Could a woman be married to a guy like Tamerlan and never know something was amiss? Or did she fear for her own life if she turned him in?

Steve Z on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

hmmmm..

Tamerlan Tsarnaev delved deeply into religion in recent years at the urging of his mother, who feared he was slipping into a life of marijuana, girls and alcohol. Tamerlan quit drinking and smoking, gave up boxing because he thought it was in opposition to his religion, and began pushing the rest of his family to pursue stricter ways, his mother recalled. …

The changes drove a wedge through the Tsarnaev home at 410 Norfolk St., in Cambridge, Mass. Tamerlan persuaded his mother to cover herself up, which she says at one point distressed her husband, Anzor.

that says a lot right there. Seems like the son became the “head of the household” as far as his mother was concerned. Doesn’t seem like the father approved but the mother backed the son. By following her son’s wishes she p[laced him in the positon of authority within the home and over both the father and younger son.

b ut regardless of all of that. the real problem was ISLAM. It wasn’t until the family became a a strong believer in ISLAM did the trouble start. the American way of life is in direct opposition to the tenets of Islam the two can not coexist. Until we understand that there will be no peace.

unseen on April 22, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Could a woman be married to a guy like Tamerlan and never know something was amiss? Or did she fear for her own life if she turned him in?

Steve Z on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

She probably placed it in Allah’s hands.

unseen on April 22, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Yeah, okay, but bombing innocents and murdering police are okay?

John the Libertarian on April 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

As long as they are infidels and it promotes the spread of Islam its ok with Allah.

unseen on April 22, 2013 at 1:49 PM

So he might be a mass murderer, too.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

He was a mass murderer on Monday apr 15th he killed 3 and wounded 150+. Regardless of who else he killed or didn’t kill before hand that monday bombing made him a mass murderer.

unseen on April 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM

He was a mass murderer on Monday apr 15th he killed 3 and wounded 150+. Regardless of who else he killed or didn’t kill before hand that monday bombing made him a mass murderer.

unseen on April 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM

I like to point out in such cases that the mass murdering terrorist would have preferred if the 150 wounded had been killed. And that it was an attempted murder of hundreds.

Similarly, the 9/11 terrorists would have preferred the WTC towers to come down almost immediately, killing about 30,000 instead of “only” 3000.

In 1993 Ramzi Yousef waas trying to topple one tower into the other, killing as many as 50,000 or more. He later lamented he not use enough explosives to accomplish his goal.

The only reason why the death toll is not much higher in these attacks is the failure of the terrorists to get the level of success they would like.

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Tsarnaev, 26, and his brother, Dzhokhar, 19, two ethnic Chechen brothers from southern Russia, are accused of planting two explosives near the marathon finish line Monday, killing three people and injuring more than 180. A motive remains unclear.

Seriously?

UnderstandingisPower on April 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Ain’t it great lil bro is being treated at BETH ISRAEL hospital?

Wander on April 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Testing their explosives? — Tweets In March Show Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Was “Poppen Fireworks” And Planning To “Do More Damage” With Friends

Just a boy playing with fireworks, nothing to see here…

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 2:20 PM

And John Kerry thinks the Boston victims are like these thugs…

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/unreal-john-kerry-compares-boston-marathon-victims-to-mavi-marmara-terrorists-video/

(This will make you sick to your stomach over who our leaders are. Just a warning.)

UnderstandingisPower on April 22, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Tsarnaev, 26, and his brother, Dzhokhar, 19, two ethnic Chechen brothers from southern Russia, are accused of planting two explosives near the marathon finish line Monday, killing three people and injuring more than 180. A motive remains unclear.

Seriously?

UnderstandingisPower on April 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

That we really do not know what their motive was is one of the MSM’s newest Orwellian Big Lies.

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 2:39 PM

[unseen on April 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM]

I had meant serial murderer. I don’t know why I typed mass.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Well yeah. The goal of boxing isn’t to kill infidels.

Aviator on April 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM

When you remotely detonate a backpack, how do you know you’re not killing Muslims? And aren’t you supposed to give them the option of converting before killing them? Seems self-defeating.

John the Libertarian on April 22, 2013 at 3:39 PM

a growing interest in religion by both Tamerlan and his mother.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev delved deeply into religion in recent years

Tamerlan quit drinking and smoking, gave up boxing because he thought it was in opposition to his religion…

Twice like “religion” is a general thing, only once as a particular.

Axeman on April 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Let me get this right: NONE of their relatives appear to be “wealthy,” at all. The brothers lived together, but neither had any kind of “real” employment (the mother said the other brother worked part-time jobs “for a while”).

So. . . .my question is WHO paid their rent? WHO bought the older brother’s Mercedes-Benz? WHO bought their groceries, and paid their utilities?

Something smells fishy, in River City!

DixT on April 22, 2013 at 7:32 PM

As far as I can tell, the triple homicide took place on Sept. 11, 2011. The bodies were discovered on the 12th. I’m sure this all has something to do with modernist architecture.

Neuro-conservative on April 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM

I was wondering when the media would get around to propping up their meme that #1 was a good boy who loved his mother but still had a terrible home life and upbringing. He even called her in his final moments just before being shot by police and dragged to death by his younger brother while trying to escape police bullets, who also loves his mother and had a terrible home life and upbringing. How touching and tender.

Kissmygrits on April 23, 2013 at 9:48 AM