USA Today poll shows gun-control support slipping still further

posted at 8:01 pm on April 22, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

President Obama’s indignant display of outrageously moral outrage following last week’s failed Senate gun-control vote notwithstanding, Americans’ support for further federal gun-control laws is continuing on its downward trajectory, according to USA Today‘s latest measure — which doesn’t do much to bolster the notion that Americans’ support for the legislation’s passage was really quite as robustly universal as its advocates made it out to be.

Four months after the shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School, a USA TODAY Poll finds support for a new gun-control law ebbing as prospects for passage on Capitol Hill seem to fade.

Americans are more narrowly divided on the issue than in recent months, and backing for a bill has slipped below 50%, the poll finds. By 49%-45%, those surveyed favor Congress passing a new gun-control law. In an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll in early April, 55% had backed a stricter gun law, which was down from 61% in February. …

Those who support a bill want advocates in Congress to hang tough and not compromise — an attitude that also could complicate passing legislation. Sixty-one percent say members of Congress “should only agree to a stronger version of the bill, even if it might not pass.” Just 30% say they should “accept a weaker law” they know can win approval.

And this was taken last Thursday through Sunday, with a four percent margin of error. Where is this miraculous and overwhelming surge of gun-control support about which we heard so much?

After the Senate’s vote, the White House signaled that President Obama would again be trying (or at least, trying to appear as if he’s sincerely trying, the better to rail against ‘Republican obstructionism’) to take matters into his own hands and make substantive moves via renewed vigor with executive actions, and it sounds like some gun-control supporters are thinking/hoping that the naysayers are going to pay for this particular bit of obstructionism with electoral losses in the 2014 midterms — and yet I’m somehow left wondering if that’s really wise. As Sean Trende pointed out at RCP, the gun-control issue hurting the gun-rights crowd is probably a long shot for several reasons, not the least of which is that the whole thing still pretty darn low-priority for most voters, except for those that are passionate defenders of gun rights:

Regardless of the level of support for certain provisions, it isn’t an issue most Americans think much about. In early April, Gallup asked respondents what they thought the most pressing problems for the country were. The economy was the top choice, with 24 percent support. “Guns/gun control” was part of a four-way tie for seventh place (with immigration, education, and North Korea). This is the same share as in January.

On the other hand, the opponents of stricter gun control tend to be highly energized. Consider this amazing anecdote, relayed by National Journal’s Jill Lawrence: “During Biden’s 1996 campaign, [former Biden Chief of Staff Ted] Kaufman told me, a fellow from Biden’s office was going fishing in rural southern Delaware. He drove down a dirt road, got out, and walked another mile to a stream, ‘and some guy comes by and hands him an anti-Joe Biden leaflet from the NRA,’ Kaufman said. ‘These are incredibly dedicated folks.’ ”

Therein lies the rub. On Election Day, opponents of gun control are likely to go to the polls and vote on gun control. The other side is not. This is exactly why the assault weapons ban — which passed the Senate in 1994 — got only 40 votes this time around.

If anything, I’m thinking the gun-control issue might hurt the Democrats, not the other way around.


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How can that be, Brian Williams just said tonite on the news that 90% of Americans support it….so sick of that stat with no clarification of its origin (Do you support background checks?)…

hillsoftx on April 22, 2013 at 8:04 PM

If I had a gun shop in Boston…
A few days ago…

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

If anything, I’m thinking the gun-control issue might hurt the Democrats, not the other way around.

Erika, you have to understand, this issue is not political for the democrats. its a losing issue.

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Racists are coming out of the woodwork.

Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 8:06 PM

This administration lies so much. I am truly doubtful there ever was much support. otherwise the decline would not have been so profound.

-Wasteland Man.

WastelandMan on April 22, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Wait a tick..
The bombers weren’t flagged by the FBI..

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 8:06 PM

That last poll was by design and they will keep citing the 90 % number for as long as they can. I can only assume Limbaugh has done one monstrous montage .

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Where was America’s well regulate militia last Monday??? Oh, that’s right, they are in the process of being disarmed and ordered indoors.

I wonder. When is it, and under what circumstances does the government call on this alleged militia to act??? Will it pass out guns during that event?

ndanielson on April 22, 2013 at 8:08 PM

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

HA HA Ha HA HA HA HA
HA HA Ha HA HA HA HA
HA HA Ha HA HA HA HA
HA HA Ha HA HA HA HA

An 8 year old boy was blown to bits last Monday..
If Obama could save just one kid…

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Speaking of gun control advocates — here’s Mayor Mike’s latest ruminations on the Constitution. I don’t think he’s talking about banninh Big Gulps for terrorists…

jon1979 on April 22, 2013 at 8:08 PM

you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Is that hair gel?

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Erika, you have to understand, this issue is not political for the emocrats. its a losing issue. President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble. nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Dude… your ratio is all wrong.. you need to take more qualudes and less beer…

-Wasteland Man.

WastelandMan on April 22, 2013 at 8:10 PM

If I had a gun shop in Boston…
A few days ago…

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Heh…at this point, I’d rather own an ammo factory…

sage0925 on April 22, 2013 at 8:10 PM

If anything, I’m thinking the gun-control issue might hurt the Democrats, not the other way around.

of course it will. There is no support for gun control. It was a manufaqctured topic within the bubble. the bubble of NYC-DC made it the biggest topic within their bubble but the rest of the country doesn’t want it. Gun control always hurts the gungrabbers in election time. thinking gungrabbers will do well at the ballot box is like saying those that support censorship will do well in elections.

amnesty is anothe rone of those bubble induced topic which if it isn’t about more security most of the country don’t want.

unseen on April 22, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Is that hair gel?

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:10 PM

sorry? not sure I follow…

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Noble my azz…

He wouldn’t know noble if it fell on his head, 2 faced lying guttersnipe…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

you must understand his intention is noble. nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

ROFLMAO…..seriously? LOL…..

unseen on April 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

sorry? not sure I follow…

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Ask Mary.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Erika, you have to understand, this issue is not political for the democrats. its a losing issue.

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Those chemicals your imbibing are illegal you do know that.

chemman on April 22, 2013 at 8:12 PM

ROFLMAO…..seriously? LOL…..

unseen on April 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

I know…
I printed that post out and showed the family..
I can still hear them laughing..

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Erika, you have to understand, this issue is not political for the democrats. its a losing issue.

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

LOL. When’s your next act? You’re pretty funny. Stupid, but funny. Intellectual slapstick.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 22, 2013 at 8:14 PM

know…
I printed that post out and showed the family..
I can still hear them laughing..

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 8:13 PM

I laughed so hard I about pis2ed myself.

unseen on April 22, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Americans’ support for further federal gun-control laws is continuing on its downward trajectory, according to USA Today‘s latest measure

I’ve got to think the Boston Marathon bombing has something to do with that. Bostonians were told to shelter in place because there were terrorists on the loose. How many of those citizens had firearms in a state that makes it hard for citizens to own weapons? This is the epitomy of why the Second Amendment matters.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 8:16 PM

sorry? not sure I follow…

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

ID-10-T error strikes again.

Funny thing is that the rest of us got it while it gave your scalp a haircut.

chemman on April 22, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Those chemicals your imbibing are illegal you do know that.

chemman on April 22, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Chemicals.Nah it’s something a little more natural and organic.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:16 PM

This administration lies so much. I am truly doubtful there ever was much support. otherwise the decline would not have been so profound.

-Wasteland Man.

WastelandMan on April 22, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Those are my thoughts as well. We all know the media is completely in the tank with the Regime. It’s been proven time and time again.

We also know for a fact and also has been proven that the media not only colludes amongst themselves (they all use the same exact buzzwords, all the time) to make sure they’re all pushing the right narrative. But they also collude with White House staff DAILY and have been getting talking points since before Obamao was first anointed back in 2007.

Therefore, its not a stretch AT ALL to believe that they are cooking the books on these and many other polls, for years, in order to influence public opinion. In fact its more likely this IS the case than its not, especially knowing THIS regime.

Meople on April 22, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Chemicals.Nah it’s something a little more natural and organic.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Those are chemicals too. I wouldn’t mess with them but with np you never can tell what he/she/it’s been into.

chemman on April 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Nonpartisan:

Are you Mary???

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM

If anything, I’m thinking the gun-control issue might hurt the Democrats, not the other way around.

It always does. There’s no good reason to assume that it will different this time.

Curtiss on April 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Curtiss on April 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Another formatting fail.

Curtiss on April 22, 2013 at 8:19 PM

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:16 PM

This maybe?

There was a young fellow named Perkin
Who was always jerkin’ his Gherkin’
His father said Perkin
Stop jerkin’ your Gherkin
Your Gherkin’s fer ferkin’ not Jerkin’

Me so bad lmao…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 8:19 PM

If anything, I’m thinking the gun-control issue might hurt the Democrats, not the other way around.
It always does. There’s no good reason to assume that it will different this time.

Curtiss on April 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM

yes, it prob does…that’s what makes the fight noble imo

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

another one of those NOBLE men /

After presiding over an unprecedented surge in violence and murder in Venezuela, the regime of socialist strongman Hugo Chávez — with the full support and assistance of the United Nations — has decided to wage all-out war on private firearm ownership. A series of new restrictions on the rights of civilians are supposedly part of an effort to fight crime and preserve “peace” as the nation’s ongoing economic implosion accelerates.

Critics and gun-rights advocates, however, blasted the controversial decision to disarm law-abiding citizens, warning that criminals could now run even wilder without any fear of consequences. More pessimistic analysts also warned that the already out-of-control socialist regime might seek to solidify its iron-fisted rule after rendering the public completely defenseless.

“We’re the guarantee of peace,” Chávez claimed, warning that his opponents might seek to foment violence ahead of the next election. According to the non-profit Venezuelan Violence Observatory (VVO), there were 4,500 homicides in 1999 when the socialist ruler seized power and instituted gun control. Last year, the figure was close to 20,000 — a new record for the nation. Few are ever solved.

noble my as@ all socialists “nobles” try to disarm the people so they have to live in fear and have only the government to protect them from the criminals/gov thugs.

unseen on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

just like the Republican fight to curtail entitlements is noble fight…as it is not a popular one

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Me so bad lmao…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Heh.

Partisan rarely passes up a chance to fluff the Potus.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:22 PM

yes, it prob does…that’s what makes the fight noble imo

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Stomping on the Constitution and fighting against individual liberty is never noble, you despicable, lying sack of sh!t.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 22, 2013 at 8:22 PM

yes, it prob does…that’s what makes the fight noble imo

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

I don’t think “noble” means what you think it means.

Curtiss on April 22, 2013 at 8:23 PM

yes, it prob does…that’s what makes the fight noble imo

partisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

But wait 90% of Americans want more gun control…that makes the GOPers the NOBLEST.

-There is no way you don’t swallow.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:23 PM

yes, it prob does…that’s what makes the fight noble imo

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

That’s how you define noble?

It’s called a “waste of time”

If you can come up with a plan that would have prevented Sandy Hook..
That is realistic in today’s world.

Write Obama..

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 8:24 PM

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:22 PM

yeah I know, noble my azz… lol next thing you know np will say that 0 is almost a saint … (rolls eyes)

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Americans who agree with my ideology outnumber your kind. My team always and I mean always wins when Americans come out in great numbers to vote.
 
HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

rogerb on April 22, 2013 at 8:25 PM

just like the Republican fight to curtail entitlements is noble fight…as it is not a popular one

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Personal Responsibility..

Now that is noble..

It shouldn’t be..
But today it would be..

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Where is this miraculous and overwhelming surge of gun-control support about which we heard so much?

Because it was a LIE from the beginning. Just like “40% of gun sales are done without background checks.”

When are people going to realize that when liberals start spouting numbers, those numbers were PULLED OUT OF THEIR LIBERAL ASSES.

GarandFan on April 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM

just like the Republican fight to curtail entitlements is noble fight…as it is not a popular one

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

The Constitution precludes the federal government from engaging in individual entitlement programs, Einstein. You want to be charitable give away your own money. You have no right to give away mine and the Constitution says that the federal government has no place in that area.

Then again, you idiots are the ones who think that empathy is a legitimate main criterion for a judge or justice (explicitly stated so by your Ineligible Indonesia Dog-Eating Retard) in direct opposition to every foundation of Western jurisprudence and over three millenia of its history. You leftists are a plague on civilized society and enemies of America.

Go burn some more American flags. That’s what you idiots get your jollies doing. Slime.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Because it was a LIE from the beginning. Just like “40% of gun sales are done without background checks.”

When are people going to realize that when liberals start spouting numbers, those numbers were PULLED OUT OF THEIR LIBERAL ASSES.

GarandFan on April 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM

THIS +17 Trillion

Meople on April 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Erika, you have to understand, this issue is not political for the democrats. its a losing issue.

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Well, now I’m just worried.

Axe on April 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM

almost a saint … (rolls eyes)

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Well…the atheist’s version of a saint.

Are you really this bad at debate?

blink on April 22, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Why yes. Yes it is.

Ask it about skeet shooting. Should be fun.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:32 PM

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Which is why he didn’t advocate banning all guns.

Seriously, you ever considered getting a cat scan or something?

Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Aw gawd, ammo is going to be that much harder to buy. Stop.Reporting.On.The.Unpopularity.Of.Gun.Control.

The government will control guns by making ammo scarce. Jeebus, don’t be so damn dumb!!

ladyingray on April 22, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Police States are seldom “noble”.

What a jackwad. You would think the continual embarrassment would drive it away, but,,,nooooo. Methinks it likes the beatings.

wolly4321 on April 22, 2013 at 8:37 PM

The Democrats lot Congress in 94 because if their gun-control push.

Go ahead and keep fornicating that fowl, Libs.

catmman on April 22, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

RickB on April 22, 2013 at 8:38 PM

You know what was noble? Trying to bring democracy to an Arab country. Unrealistic? Naive? Yes, to all three, but it was noble.

How ’bout nonpartisan, do you give W props for his noble intentions?

ardenenoch on April 22, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Oh, and the government isn’t making ammo scarce btw.

So…lets stop fornicating that fowl too.

catmman on April 22, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Seriously, you ever considered getting a cat scan or something?

Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 8:34 PM

You might have to explain “cat scan”. He probably thinks it is some veterinary procedure.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Hmm, not exactly “90 percent,” is it?

Never was.

They wont rest until its done, though. Much of the rest of the plan depends on us being disarmed first.

If they don’t get it now, they’ll get it after minting another 20million compliant new voters.

Midas on April 22, 2013 at 8:42 PM

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

This is one of the funniest things I’ve ever read on HA. Seriously I just laughed out loud in my living room.

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM

You know what was noble? Trying to bring democracy to an Arab country. Unrealistic? Naive? Yes, to all three, but it was noble.

How ’bout nonpartisan, do you give W props for his noble intentions?

ardenenoch on April 22, 2013 at 8:39 PM

it was noble, but not thought out and dumb in retrospect.

I will not give darth cheney any props for it though as his intentions were for profit all along.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

This is one of the funniest things I’ve ever read on HA. Seriously I just laughed out loud in my living room.

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Partisan still thinks anything in that bill could have stopped the Connecticut shootings. Not. Real . Bright.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

You mean, despite the fact that gun control has *never* resulted in the prevention of innocent deaths. It *always* leads to more.

Can you explain that? Is that just because gun control enthusiasts are abjectly stupid, cannot grasp reality/statistics/history, or… is it that they know it won’t help, but they want it anyway, for some other reason entirely?

Occasionally you give a glint of cognitive thought; I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt here – you aren’t really so stupid that you believe what you wrote there, are you?

Midas on April 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM

it was noble, but not thought out and dumb in retrospect.

I will not give darth cheney any props for it though as his intentions were for profit all along.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM

It only gets funnier.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Partisan still thinks anything in that bill could have stopped the Connecticut shootings. Not. Real . Bright.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Partisan thinks that Obama has a noble bone in his body. LOL!

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Say partisan aka Mary, wanna go skeet shooting?

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:47 PM

This is one of the funniest things I’ve ever read on HA. Seriously I just laughed out loud in my living room.

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM

I’d like to laugh, but all I can do is shake my head that this person is so gob-smackingly stupid that they probably can’t breathe and type at the same time – rather, have to do them alternately so as to avoid confusion and asphyxiation.

Midas on April 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

I’m saving this one. The ignorance is too much not to be repeated.

nobar on April 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM

The government will control guns by making ammo scarce. Jeebus, don’t be so damn dumb!!

ladyingray on April 22, 2013 at 8:36 PM

After the 2014 elections, when the Dims no longer control the Senate, congress needs to withhold all funding for all gov’t departments and agencies that bought the ridiculous amount of ammunition until they basically cancel the orders that haven’t been filled yet.

Then make them give away all the ammo they’ve received as a result of this Communist hatched plot to circumvent the 2nd Amendment, to anyone in the nation that wants it, free of charge.

Meople on April 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Partisan thinks that Obama has a noble bone in his body. LOL!

Not even going to go there. So appropriate for the partisan fluffer.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Partisan sounds not only young but stupid.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:49 PM

And this was taken last Thursday through Sunday, with a four percent margin of error. Where is this miraculous and overwhelming surge of gun-control support about which we heard so much?

There was never a gun control support surge. That’s why I constantly hammered on Toomey and the other Republicans who supported his push. There was never any need to make a “deal.” We’d already shut the bill down and won on the issue. The Republicans very nearly rescued Obama from defeat.

And they’re trying to do it again with amnesty and give the Democrats an unbeatable, permanent majority. I look at the Republican Party as an organization largely hostile to conservative interests.

Doomberg on April 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM

But “Darth Cheney” had one of those thar skeeter guns?

You’re right, they are safer than an upside down car at high tide.

wolly4321 on April 22, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Progressives, liberals, and RINO’s need to make gun control their priority during the next election cycle.

Rode Werk on April 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Is diddling interns with tobacco products noble? He banned guns, too.

wolly4321 on April 22, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Erika, you have to understand, this issue is not political for the democrats. its a losing issue.

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Exhibit 2002 why your nom s/b nobrain.

Do you even believe what you spew?

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Heartache for our trolls and MSNBC. Can they take much more?

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 9:06 PM

The idea that 90% of America agrees on ANYTHING is about as nonsensical as anyone voting to approve a budget submitted by King Putt to the Congress for their deliberations and consideration.

I have an idea, why not have King Putt submit a budget?

Think he’ll get ANYONE to vote FOR it?

eh, nonparticiple?

Missilengr on April 22, 2013 at 9:09 PM

And this was taken last Thursday through Sunday, with a four percent margin of error. Where is this miraculous and overwhelming surge of gun-control support about which we heard so much?

There was never a gun control support surge. That’s why I constantly hammered on Toomey and the other Republicans who supported his push. There was never any need to make a “deal.” We’d already shut the bill down and won on the issue. The Republicans very nearly rescued Obama from defeat.

And they’re trying to do it again with amnesty and give the Democrats an unbeatable, permanent majority. I look at the Republican Party as an organization largely hostile to conservative interests.

Doomberg on April 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM

There’s also no surge of American citizens demanding ‘comprehensive immigration reform’. That has been made up as well, we just haven’t caught on yet. Last I saw only 4% of those polled rated immigration as a top problem. Yet somehow the liberal media and Congress are steamrolling us toward just that.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 9:11 PM

you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

You’re getting noble and Nobility confused there, Junior.

antipc on April 22, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Because it was a LIE from the beginning. Just like “40% of gun sales are done without background checks.”

When are people going to realize that when liberals start spouting numbers, those numbers were PULLED OUT OF THEIR LIBERAL ASSES.

GarandFan on April 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM

THIS +17 Trillion

Meople on April 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM

The proggies play this game very well:

“62% of all bankruptcies occur because of a lack of health insurance.”

“45,000 Americans die a year because they don’t have health insurance.”

“90 percent of the weapons seized in Mexico are first sold in the United States.”

Just a few I can recall of the top of my pointed head.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Sooooooooooo,

Immigration/Gun Grabbers have met the,

BostonMarathonBombingBrotherGoons Affect/Effect!!

canopfor on April 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I haven’t been following for awhile, but please tell me that “nonpartisan” was sent over as comic relief from the HuffPo. No one can be that dense, unless you are the current resident of the White House.

outnumberedinparadise on April 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM

The left won’t know what going to hit them in the near future. Gun right is one of the few issues that will change hardcore liberals into hardcore conservative or libertarian within months. Seen it happen all the time.

We have kids growing up with modern shooter videos games. These kids will own guns. These kids will go to gun sites like Arfcom and join the hive mind. These kids have a lot of energy and the unwillingness to compromise on gun rights. They also vote.

Almost 170 millions guns sold between ’98-’13. That’s a conservative estimate because you can put more than one gun on a NIC. That’s a lot of new gun owners that will join the hive mind. A lot of gun voters.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/total-nics-background-checks-1998_2013_monthly_yearly_totals-033113.pdf

I estimate there is at least 600 millions guns in America, probably over 1 billion.

jdun on April 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM

you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

I’m picturing a Nanzi-Pelosi-style, bug-eyed, thousand yard stare as our resident fat, unpopular, teenager says this.

CurtZHP on April 22, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Erika, you have to understand, this issue is not political for the democrats. its a losing issue.

You are half right. Yes, it is a losing issue with people who take their Constitutional rights- all of them- seriously.

But saying it is not political is incorrect. To progressives, everything is political, and politics is all about power. Having a monopoly on the use of force in a society is the very definition of absolute power- which is what progressives (which I suspect includes you) dream of.

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

In a word, bullsh!t. Throughout his life, The One has hated firearms and their owners for the same reason he loathes American culture as a whole. Namely, that all of the above is antithetical to the autocratic “rule by an enlightened elite’” which he believes is the only proper form of governance.

Someone who cared about innocents would not have perpetrated Operation Fast & Furious. (And please don’t tell me he didn’t OK it; I don’t believe that anymore than I believe Reagan was ignorant of Iran/Contra, or Nixon was in the dark about Watergate.)

Someone who gave a damn even about people under his own command wouldn’t have shrugged off Benghazi like this shallow, power-hungry, self-centered excuse for a human being did. As far as The One is concerned, innocents are nothing but expendable assets when he needs them for some highly-charged photos to push his delusions. Unfortunately, the news media are more than willing to oblige him.

As for the cause of “gun control” being “noble”, I’m sure you think it was “noble” of Southern Democrats during and after Reconstruction to pass laws prohibiting blacks from owning firearms. After all, the law was there to protect them- wasn’t it?

Not all the Jim Crow laws were about voting. Except in the sense that someone who had been murdered by those guys in the white sheets wasn’t around to vote on election day. (Read Unsolved Crimes by Michael Newton for a recitation of how often that happened, right up to the 1960s.)

Disarming the law-abiding citizenry of a nation, for whatever excuse, is never noble. It is simply a gambit to seize and hold unchallengeable, permanent power.

If you do not understand this, learn. If you do, and approve, at least have the intellectual honesty to admit it.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 22, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Label liberals racist for supporting gun control. That alone will shut them up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA4mJW-kjSc

jdun on April 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

ANY democrat, as well as MCCAIN, simply are lyingsacksofshit when it comes to firearms, gun law and what the public REALLY wants.

Gun banning is not supported by anyone other than ignorant left wing social rejects.

TX-96 on April 22, 2013 at 9:52 PM

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Dude, you owe me for a new computer screen – sprayed my Dr. Pepper all over. Thanks for the laugh.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on April 22, 2013 at 10:04 PM

-mika and morning joe hardest hit

Heh

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 10:34 PM

EVERYONE in the media needs to point to the people of Boston who were left to ‘fend for themselves’ in defending their own homes from terrorists!

The government plan that told people to ‘shelter in place’ was extremely lucky that the terrorist did not have the inclination to go from house to house and shoot everyone he found! Just think, if this terrorist had a nice list, as provided by that newspaper earlier this year, he would even know which homes to avoid and which ones to ‘clean out’!!!

This point needs to be made at every possible opportunity.

Freddy on April 22, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Erika, you have to understand, this issue is not political for the democrats. its a losing issue.

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

You stupid little anti-American phony leftist worm.

Solaratov on April 22, 2013 at 11:06 PM

sorry? not sure I follow…

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Not unusual for you, lickspittle.

Solaratov on April 22, 2013 at 11:09 PM

But “Darth Cheney” had one of those thar skeeter guns?

You’re right, they are safer than an upside down car at high tide.

wolly4321 on April 22, 2013 at 8:53 PM

You realize that you’ll have to explain that reference to young parmesan, don’t you?
Odds are, he doesn’t know anything about it.

Solaratov on April 22, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Progressives, liberals, and RINO’s need to make gun control their priority during the next election cycle.

Rode Werk on April 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Indeed! Every democRAT up for election should hammer gun control as his/her main theme. They should all promise to introduce legislation to ban all guns and to confiscate all guns in private hands with no compensation.

If it saves the life of one innocent child……..

//s//

Solaratov on April 22, 2013 at 11:27 PM

I just watched Obama’s petulance video again — at least, as much of it as I could stand. It should have been a serious subject, but watching Joe Biden in the background with his pouting lips kept cracking me up.

Especially the part where Obama claimed those nasty Republicans were “abusing Senate rules.” One look at background Biden, who was in the Senate practically forever, but was trying his best to look stern and disapproving….

Unbelievable that these clowns are actually in charge of the parade!

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 23, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Is that hair gel?

CW on April 22, 2013 at 8:10 PM

sorry? not sure I follow…

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Hint: what about Mary…

nonpartisan’s goal is still to become JugEars codpiece. Has the skill set for that.

socalcon on April 23, 2013 at 12:05 AM

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Then why is he humping a bill that wouldn’t have prevented any of the recent tragedies, and has only some vague hope of preventing future ones? Why isn’t he pushing something that will work in the future because it would have worked in the past? It’s because he needs to say he got a bill passed and scored a political victory. Duh.

If he was interested in saving lives, he’d see that we do a better job of enforcing the laws we’ve already hot. He’s completely uninterested in doing that.

Pablo on April 23, 2013 at 7:45 AM

President Obama is pushing this not for political points, but to prevent more innocent deaths. Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Step away from the crack pipe….

DevilsPrinciple on April 23, 2013 at 7:57 AM

you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

You must understand that Obama’s gun bill would not have prevented the Sandyhook shootings nor would it prevent any other shooting in the future. The liberals are counting on morons to support their agenda. Their agenda is control of the people…not their freedom. People like you appear to be for too willing to surrender it.

cajunpatriot on April 23, 2013 at 8:46 AM

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