Report: Bombers spared carjacking victim because … he wasn’t an American

posted at 11:21 am on April 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’m not sure whether to believe it and neither, apparently, is Pete Williams. Watch the clip below. The carjacking victim seems to have told two different stories, first that he “escaped” from the Tsarnaevs and second that they let him go because he wasn’t an American. The “escape” story smells like B.S. cooked up in the first flush of the victim’s brush with death, but it’s just as implausible that they let the guy go. They’d already bombed a marathon and murdered a cop in cold blood. They had no problem with killing, whether remotely or face to face, and if it’s true that other attacks were planned, they would have had to eliminate the carjacking victim before he could call the cops. They couldn’t possibly be so stupid as to let a crucial witness live simply because he wasn’t American. Could they?

The owner of the Mercedes no longer served any use to them. What’s more, he knew exactly who they were: The Tsarnaevs had reportedly identified themselves as the marathon bombers.

Naturally, the carjacking victim immediately called the cops, and provided enough information—including the make and license plate of his vehicle—for the bombers to be spotted within minutes. An ensuing gun battle left Tamerlan dead and Dkhokhar in hiding, soon to be caught. End of rampage.

It didn’t have to end that way. The Tsarnaev brothers were armed and still had multiple explosive devices. If no one had been expecting the Mercedes driver home that night, they might have driven his SUV for hours before a missing person report had police looking for the vehicle. By one account, the brothers told their presumably terrified passenger that they “wanted to head to New York.” Officials have said they believe the brothers planned more violence. It’s not implausible to imagine the men driving to Manhattan, about four hours away, and killing numerous more people. Or they could have quickly made their way to one of Boston’s crowded nightlife strips and gone down in a blaze of demented glory.

The NYT also has something this morning about the Tsarnaevs possibly targeting New York. Turns out they had plenty of rounds left in the chamber:

The Boston police commissioner, Edward Davis, said the authorities believed that Mr. Tsarnaev and his older brother, Tamerlan, 26, had planned more attacks beyond the bombings at the finish line of the Boston Marathon, which killed three people and wounded more than 170. When the suspects seized a Mercedes-Benz sport utility vehicle and held the driver hostage, they told him that they planned to head to New York, the senior United States official said Sunday…

Mr. Davis told CBS News’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday: “We have reason to believe, based upon the evidence that was found at that scene — the explosions, the explosive ordnance that was unexploded and the firepower that they had — that they were going to attack other individuals.”

Along with determining that the suspects had made at least five pipe bombs, the authorities recovered four firearms that they believe the suspects used, according to a law enforcement official. The authorities found an M-4 carbine rifle — a weapon similar to ones used by American forces in Afghanistan — on the boat where the younger suspect was found Friday night in Watertown, Mass., 10 miles west of Boston.

Watch the clip and you’ll see that the “New York” theory is also murky. Seems like the only evidence of it is that the carjacking victim thought he heard the bombers say “Manhattan” when they were speaking Russian or Chechen. Maybe they did, or maybe there’s some combination of words in one of those languages that sounds like “Manhattan.” Assuming he’s right, though, that’s another reason to think that he somehow escaped rather than that he was let go. They told the guy who they were and where they were going, and … let him live anyway? But on the other hand, the victim’s claim that they let him go because he’s not an American is coming from somewhere. He can’t be making it up whole cloth; there’s no reason to. I don’t know how to explain it except that he’s telling the truth about being let go and that the Tsarnaevs really were that stupid.

One other thing I keep wondering about. By every account published over the last four days, it’s Tamerlan who was the real fanatic among the two. He’s the one who went to Dagestan, he’s the one getting into arguments with other Muslims about speaking too well of the “kuffar,” etc. Even family members are piping up about his growing “devotion” over the last few years. The only thing I’ve read about Dzhokhar in that vein is him contacting a college professor a few years ago to ask for a reading list with which to educate himself about the war in Chechnya. Maybe that was an early sign of radicalization, or maybe not; maybe he was just curious about his roots. Point is, there’s far less known right now about the younger brother to explain why he would have become a bomber, which is why so many people are falling back on the “manipulated by older brother” theory. But how to explain this, then?

Another UMass Dartmouth student said he talked about the bombing with Tsarnaev for several minutes Tuesday while they were working out at the gym. Tsarnaev seemed normal, perhaps a little tired, Zach Bettencourt told CNN.

Bettencourt said he told Tsarnaev something about the bombing, to the effect of, “You hear about this kind of thing happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, but not here.”

“He was like, ‘Yeah, tragedies happen like this all the time and it’s sad,’ ” Bettencourt said, adding he had no inkling about anything suspicious with Tsarnaev, whom he described as a nice guy.

He partied on campus on Wednesday night too, remember. If the “naif led astray by sibling svengali” theory is correct, you’d expect Dzhokhar to act panicky in the days afterward. He’s not the one ideologically committed to murder, after all; Tamerlan is. Instead, you see a 19-year-old so composed in the aftermath that he’s hanging out with friends and muttering banalities about “tragedies” on the day the feds were circulating a BOLO about a man in a white cap, gray hoodie, and black jacket at the marathon. He saw his brother/svengali be taken down by the feds and tried to get away rather than surrender. In the photos at the marathon, he’s the one smiling in the pics, not Tamerlan. By all available evidence, he’s a reptilian sociopath. If his brother really was the mastermind, he got awfully lucky in the sort of brother he had.

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Magnanimous of them…

OmahaConservative on April 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Was he Turkish?

Shy Guy on April 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM

He partied on campus on Wednesday night too, remember. If the “naif led astray by sibling svengali” theory is correct, you’d expect Dzhokhar to act panicky in the days afterward. He’s not the one ideologically committed to murder, after all; Tamerlan is. Instead, you see a 19-year-old so composed in the aftermath that he’s hanging out with friends and muttering banalities about “tragedies” on the day the feds were circulating a BOLO about a man in a white cap, gray hoodie, and black jacket at the marathon.

It sounds like he’s not a nice guy, but a psychopath. You know, the kind of person who can plant a bomb next to an 8 year-old boy and act totally unfazed by it the next day? People need to stop mistaking his cool, calm demeanor for politeness.

Doughboy on April 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM

It was because of the COEXIST bumper sticker.

John the Libertarian on April 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Maybe the driver was wearing a “Hope and Change” logo shirt and the perps recognized a fellow traveler.

Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM

They hate America and Americans but they are too lazy to go live anywhere else.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM

It’s a Family Affair.

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM

And he became a citizen. Citizenship means very little to many new immigrants. They are here for the benefits only. Let’s stop pretending that they are some national treasure.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Or they could have quickly made their way to one of Boston’s crowded nightlife strips and gone down in a blaze of demented glory.

In a locked down city they had few crowd targets available.

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

They hate America and Americans but they are too lazy to go live anywhere else.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM

They can hate and get their free stuff too. It’s the almost the best of both worlds.

Oil Can on April 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Re the “public exception” and Miranda. Don’t know if others have mentioned this but Professor Orin Kerr at the Volokh Conspiracy points out that the government is only required to read a suspect his Miranda rights if they plan on using his statements in court. In other words, if they don’t plan on using his statements – if they already have enough evidence to try him – they can continue to ask questions.

None of this information can be used in a trial unless they recover physical evidence as part of the questioning. And the non-Mirandized statements can be used against others that he implicates.

Far different than what we see on TV.

SteveMG on April 22, 2013 at 11:30 AM

And no doubt the Driver had a Phil Collins CD on
when they got in playing “It’s no fun being an ILLEGAL ALIEN”

ToddPA on April 22, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Yeah I keep detecting sympathy for the younger scumbag. But in reality, he was just as evil as his brother. Weird about the carjacking, though. Maybe he was in on it?

Jack_Burton on April 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Bettencourt said, adding he had no inkling about anything suspicious with Tsarnaev, whom he described as a nice guy

My daughter’s schoolmate knows him. She is stunned that he did this because he seemed like such a nice guy and never acted strange or creepy in any way.

I told my daughter that he was able to be composed at school and the party because he was a terrorist. He didn’t have to act because his was always what he was. He just didn’t bother telling anyone.

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM

I believe that the brothers had help. While they are both fanatical, they are not masterminds. There are still cell members out there.

kingsjester on April 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Pure evil

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM

They hate America and Americans but they are too lazy to go live anywhere else.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM

You want to talk about Bark and Mooch then find another thread; stay on topic please.

Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM

He still could have been led astray – it’s not like his brother convinced him over beers the night before the marathon. It happened over weeks and months. But he had converted over to the cause when he did the bombings. (The older brother mustve had a high charisma to convert his feminist girlfriend too)

But if the guy was let go because he wasn’t an American… Why kill people at an international race that included non-Americans? I think he’s just speculating why he won the “life” lottery.

Skywise on April 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM

He saw his brother/svengali be taken down by the feds and tried to get away rather than surrender.


Or
… he saw his brother being taken into custody and intentionally ran him over to silence him.

Dzhokhar attempted to commit suicide himself before surrendering to authorities. His behavior between the bombings and Thursday night displayed no sense remorse or compassion.

Tamerlan seems to have been the loud and noisy Islamic terrorist.

Dzhokhar, on the other hand, may have been the more calculating of the two.

PolAgnostic on April 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM

The brave jihadi warriors… who killed an 8 year old kid and two young women.

Then a college cop sitting unaware in his vehicle.

All hail the brave jihadi warriors!

Lions of Allah, indeed.

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM

^ That was supposed to be addressed to KJ. Sorry. Reading, typing. Cat looking at me accusingly. You know.

Axe on April 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

How is it if the carjack victim was a foreigner that he was able to drive a Mercedes suv? Did we buy that for him, too? Does the news account mention what nationality he is? Maybe they were all fellow travelers. Did #1 and #2 (those nicknames fit so well) leave their vehicle behind and drive off in the Mercedes or did they take the time to switch their arsenal at the time of the car jacking? If they had an M4, the feds can trace the weapon from the serial #. What a shock it would be if it came from the F&F stash.

Kissmygrits on April 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

And he became a citizen. Citizenship means very little to many new immigrants. They are here for the benefits only. Let’s stop pretending that they are some national treasure.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

And to us, and to most new immigrants, it means a lot.

That’s why some of us are fighting hard not to give it — thinking that by giving it, it somehow diminishes in stature…

unclesmrgol on April 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Well, it was stupid to let the carjacking victim go, but it was also stupid not to disguise themselves better when planting the bombs, to stay in the area, to not disguise themselves at all after the fact, etc. I suspect they were panicking at that point and simply didn’t consider that he’d call the police.

As for the younger’s behavior after the bombing, if you’ve convinced yourself to kill a bunch of innocent people, and under the direction of someone else, indifference to it all would be appropriate, no?

changer1701 on April 22, 2013 at 11:39 AM

They hate America and Americans but they are too lazy to go live anywhere else.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM

They can hate and get their free stuff too. It’s the almost the best of both worlds.

Oil Can on April 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Yup, we welcome them in so they can hate us, get free stuff at our expense, take advantage of our legal and educational systems, and sponsor more of their relatives to come on in to assist in radically changing our culture to accommodate theirs while set to destroy us on our own turf if and when needed.

hawkeye54 on April 22, 2013 at 11:39 AM

He saw his brother/svengali be taken down by the feds and tried to get away rather than surrender.

If he’s so calm cool and collected then why run over his brother. I’m leaning towards him being a sociopath and actually intentionally ran his brother over to keep him from talking or being captured alive to protect the cell. Just a postulation.

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

And LE tracked the stolen car by pinging the carjacking victim’s cell phone left in the car…
BTW, any more clues as to the motivation of this fine young men..?

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Axe on April 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Already read it. Thank you, though. There’s definitely something going on. Where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire.

kingsjester on April 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

They hate America and Americans but they are too lazy to go live anywhere else.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM

They were not lazy because they went through all the effort of coming to this country in order to terrorize it. They didn’t like it here and were going to get their revenge or whatever, and then maybe leave. They could have gotten clean away if their car was available. It wasn’t so they had to expose themselves in trying to get away. They could very well have mentioned New York but, was it to cause more terror or was it to fly out of the country. We may never know.

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Another talking point for LSM excuses for Tsarnaev’s killings. “See! He’s not a racist like so many Americans. Maybe we should cut him some slack and take the death penalty off the table!”

Liam on April 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I just read that the FBI missed the older brother’s trip to Russia because his named was misspelled…

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I just read that the FBI missed the older brother’s trip to Russia because his named was misspelled…

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Improbable, Passports are electronically scanned now. All of them.

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Who funded their lifestyle..? Where did they work..?

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM

It’s all murky to me, just glad the guy is still alive. I don’t understand how they could tell his so freely their involvement in the bombing. They could have, it just seems to go against the script.

If they really did share that with him, it just goes to show how their plans completely fell apart at the end. They seemed to do quite a bit of stupid things at the end there. A very good thing, just strange. All that planning to fall apart at the end like that with stupid activity. It appears they were under extreme duress, or not that bright at all.

shar61 on April 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Improbable, Passports are electronically scanned now. All of them.

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Yep, me too. BTW, this came from Lindsey Graham…so tifwiw.

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM

It was because of the COEXIST bumper sticker.

John the Libertarian on April 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Why are people still buying into this? There was no COEXIST bumpersticker on the car.

SnarkVader on April 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Who funded their lifestyle..? Where did they work..?

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Good questions. Student Loans, Scholarships perhaps or indirect sponsoring. There seems to be a support network with friends and family.

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

still curious to know how older bro ended up on ground being handcuffed IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, while younger bro was able to take dead aim in the hijacked car on cops and bro ? How did they get separated ?

Although the scene is straight out of the movies, including the part where you can’t explain it.

williampeck1958 on April 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Maybe the guy was Muslim, or told them he was.

Phoenician on April 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM

It appears they were under extreme duress, or not that bright at all.

shar61 on April 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I’m wondering if the breaking point from calculated to panicky came when whoever had been providing them cover cut them loose as too hot a property.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM

A troubling issue for me is not that they weren’t assimilated into America but that they were.

Assimilated into a multi-cult/”American values are no better – and probably worse – than others” type of view. After all, the younger one believed that 9/11 was done by the government.

It’s that type of assimilation that worries me.

SteveMG on April 22, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Choomin’ with the crew after bombing a marathon…It’s a millennial generational jihadist thingy…

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Yeah, right.

The Rogue Tomato on April 22, 2013 at 11:49 AM

d1carter

You could be right however has this been confirmed. The Watertown Commish said last night on Judge Judy they were tracking the MB’s GPS positions. I understood this as using the car’s GPS and not a cell phone.

luckybogey on April 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM

We will never be safe under this administration, they oppose the American way of life…

OmahaConservative on April 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM

…Assimilated into a multi-cult/”American values are no better…
SteveMG on April 22, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Diversity.

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Who funded their lifestyle..? Where did they work..?

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Who funded Obama’s college education…

Yeah…I couldn’t resist

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM

still curious to know how older bro ended up on ground being handcuffed IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, while younger bro was able to take dead aim in the hijacked car on cops and bro ? How did they get separated ?

Although the scene is straight out of the movies, including the part where you can’t explain it.

williampeck1958 on April 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Reported than Tamerlan jumped out of vehicle Djoker was in and started a diversion, firing and throwing bombs, to let his brother escape.

Djoker may have been trying top run down cops, who jumped out of the way, and hit brother instead.

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Report: Bombers spared carjacking victim because … he wasn’t an American

Neither was Lingzi Lu, but they didn’t spare her.

rukiddingme on April 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

My daughter’s schoolmate knows him. She is stunned that he did this because he seemed like such a nice guy and never acted strange or creepy in any way.

I told my daughter that he was able to be composed at school and the party because he was a terrorist. He didn’t have to act because his was always what he was. He just didn’t bother telling anyone.

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM

A sociopath or psychopath often puts on a mask of charm to others (those at least who are not their victims). They have to be liked by everyone so that no one can see the darkness inside.

Everyone knows someone they came across in their life who turned out to be a wife abuser (I could be politically correct and say “spouse” abuser, however, I won’t for obvious reasons). Unless they are a beer bellied, tattooed alcoholic or chronic pothead, who no one would be shocked to find out they beat their wives, they pretty much all lead normal lives.

Normal, that is, to everyone else. That is part of the scam.

Amjean on April 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM

By all available evidence, he’s a reptilian sociopath. If his brother really was the mastermind, he got awfully lucky in the sort of brother he had.

Mark my words. Before it is all over Dzhokhar will be as big a celebrity as Mumia or Bradley Manning. Hollywood types will be wearing t-shirts with his likeness to protest his unfair persecution by the federal government. There will be “free Dzhokhar” rallies. He will be treated as a rock star by the left.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Neither was Lingzi Lu, but they didn’t spare her.

Unintended collateral damage.

Who could have possibly known the Boston Marathon attracted non Americans?

/s

hawkeye54 on April 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM

And he became a citizen. Citizenship means very little to many new immigrants.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

To scum like them, becoming a citizen is equivalent to getting a job at the store you’re friends plan on robbing. You can move around freely and determine the weaknesses of the security.

Mimzey on April 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Who funded their lifestyle..? Where did they work..?

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Who funded Obama’s college education…

Yeah…I couldn’t resist

One common link is their mentors had/have no love of the United States .

hawkeye54 on April 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM

OT-

The rat-eared coward not only went to Boston for the memorial service but is going to participate in today’s moment of silence. He will not bother with a visit to West, Texas, this week even though he will be in Dallas for a DNC fundraiser ahead of the GWB Library dedication.

I guess he hates Texans as much as we all thought.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:02 PM

luckybogey on April 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Nothing is confirmed…I saw this in an interview with Boston LE official in TV interview…I can’t remember his name. Who knows?

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 12:02 PM

And he became a citizen. Citizenship means very little to many new immigrants.

Blake on April 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

To scum like them, becoming a citizen is equivalent to getting a job at the store you’re friends plan on robbing. You can move around freely and determine the weaknesses of the security.

Absolutely. Citizenship gives you a vast array of opportunities and has no relationship to loyalty, love and devotion to your new land.

Its merely a useful tool.

hawkeye54 on April 22, 2013 at 12:03 PM

A troubling issue for me is not that they weren’t assimilated into America but that they were.

Assimilated into a multi-cult/”American values are no better – and probably worse – than others” type of view. After all, the younger one believed that 9/11 was done by the government.

It’s that type of assimilation that worries me.

SteveMG on April 22, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Yeah, I don’t really think this “they didn’t assimilate” stuff is right. They did assimilate. Note the similarities between these guys and John Walker Lindh. I’m surprised, in fact, no one in the media has yet brought up the Lindh angle. There has been a radical tradition in American politics since the 60s where certain kinds of violence is glorified and romanticized in schools and in popular culture.

Doomberg on April 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I guess he hates Texans as much as we all thought.

Don’t have to think much about that. He hates all red states…..he merely goes to the blue zones within them when he has to.

hawkeye54 on April 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM

The older brother might have been the radical one but I think it’s safe to say the the younger one is the “smart” one.

Cindy Munford on April 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Improbable, Passports are electronically scanned now. All of them.

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM

I also thought that if your name on your boarding pass doesn’t match the passport it is a big deal.

The simple fact is that this guy wasn’t being tracked because, after all, there is no such thing as a terrorist threat with the rat-eared coward in office. By this administration’s count, there has been no terrorist attack on American soil since the 9/11/01 atrocities.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

This sounds to me like the news producer continues with the domestic terrorism nonsense and Williams realizes that it doesn’t flow.

pat on April 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:02 PM

I do find it strange. One of heavy hitter Dem donors in Waco is the Rappaport family of the VA Rappaports. Even Hillary as First Lady would drop in on them in Waco to just say hello.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:02 PM

He’s a piece of work isn’t he? He ignored Nashville being flooded out just after he was elected the first time. Divider In Chief.

Cindy Munford on April 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM

True. But bear in mind that he was going between Russia and the US,and there are multiple different ways to transliterate Russian into English (ie Jahar and Dzhokhar for Джохар). All it would have taken is one person somewhere using a non-standard transliteration (say, z or cz instead of ts for ц) and he’s in the system with a “different” name, whether on purpose or no.

AndStatistics on April 22, 2013 at 12:09 PM

OmahaConservative on April 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM

And mighty white of them./

docflash on April 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Allah

I explained the carjacking survivor over the weekend.

I’ve been right on all the points so far.

The area they were in is heavy with people from their neck of the woods.

The driver didn’t understand them, but he was most likely from a nearby country.

Odds are he was Russian-Armenian or Georgian.

If he was Georgian, they would assume he was Muslim.

If they knew he was Armenian, they didn’t kill him because they’ve spent the past decade living in one of the largest Armenian enclave.

Then they carjacked a man–who has not been identified but is described as a Caucasian in his 20s–and rode with him in his black Mercedes SUV.

Again, the “Caucasian” game being played by the feds.

The dude doesn’t want to be shown on TV, because he’s going to look ethnically similar to the brothers.

budfox on April 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM

This weekend Secretary of State John Kerry compared the Boston Marathon victims to the dead Mavi Maramara terrorists….

“Israel National News reported, via Israel Matsav:

Speaking at Istanbul, Turkey, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry made a jarring comparison between the victims of the Boston Marathon terror bombs and terror activists from the IHH group who were killed when they attacked IDF forces aboard the Mavi Marmara in 2010.

Kerry told his hosts in Turkey that he understands the pain of the families whose loved ones were killed aboard the Marmara – and added that he can understand their pain well, having just dealt with the families whose loved ones were slain in Boston….”

Nine people were killed aboard the Gaza-bound Mavi Marmara after IDF troops encountered violent resistance by “peace activists” when they boarded the ship. The so-called “peace activists” were armed with an assortment of weapons. They threw stun grenades and beat the Israeli soldiers with pipes and chains. The ship failed to comply to Israeli commands before it was boarded. The terrorists planned the surprise attack on the Israeli troops in advance.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/unreal-john-kerry-compares-boston-marathon-victims-to-mavi-marmara-terrorists-video/

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 12:18 PM

budfox on April 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Doesn’t want to be shown on TV? Isn’t carjacked-guy the same guy as naked-guy? Cuz if he is, it’d be a bit late for that – his picture is all over the internet and in screencaps form TV, too. (with blurring, admittedly, none of it over his face, I don’t think…)

AndStatistics on April 22, 2013 at 12:18 PM

The rat-eared coward not only went to Boston for the memorial service but is going to participate in today’s moment of silence. He will not bother with a visit to West, Texas, this week even though he will be in Dallas for a DNC fundraiser ahead of the GWB Library dedication.

I guess he hates Texans as much as we all thought.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:02 PM

I saw that earlier, and it’s obscene. You’d think the political pr value alone (being seen as the guy who feels everyone’s pain) would be worth it to him.

Then again, he is the same guy that jetted off to Vegas fundraisers right after Americans had been murdered in Benghazi, so clearly he’s never been too concerned with keeping up appearances. (Probably because he knows the press won’t call him on it, natch.)

changer1701 on April 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Doesn’t want to be shown on TV? Isn’t carjacked-guy the same guy as naked-guy?

No, different guy.

joejm65 on April 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM

This weekend Secretary of State John Kerry compared the Boston Marathon victims to the dead Mavi Maramara terrorists….

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Well this ought to help Chuck Hagel and his visit to Israel to defuse the fact that he hates Jews.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM

AndStatistics on April 22, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I dunno if he is. I can’t figure out the car timeline, honestly.

But that’s what he told NBC and anyone else he’s talked too. No name, name TV time.

I promise he’s not Joe McGinty from Southie.

So he’s freaked because everyone will think he got away because he’s Muslim or Russian, whether he is or not.

Also, if you’re hearing stories about “a cell of 12″, you might not want to be the guy who lead to the brothers deaths.

budfox on April 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Car had that incredibly naive “Coexist” bumper sticker:

http://www.ktrh.com/articles/michael-berry-journal-206418/hijacked-car-had-coexist-bumper-sticker-11207298/

Can’t make this stuff up, folks.

RedNewEnglander on April 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Then again, he is the same guy that jetted off to Vegas fundraisers right after Americans had been murdered in Benghazi, so clearly he’s never been too concerned with keeping up appearances. (Probably because he knows the press won’t call him on it, natch.)

changer1701 on April 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Yeah there is balance here. Go 70 miles out of your way to do the Presidential thing or get back to DC in time for a planned parenthood dinner. Those babies don’t kill themselves!

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM

They hate America and Americans but they are too lazy to go live anywhere else.
Blake on April 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Thread winner IMO

Cleombrotus on April 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM
True. But bear in mind that he was going between Russia and the US,and there are multiple different ways to transliterate Russian into English (ie Jahar and Dzhokhar for Джохар). All it would have taken is one person somewhere using a non-standard transliteration (say, z or cz instead of ts for ц) and he’s in the system with a “different” name, whether on purpose or no.

AndStatistics on April 22, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Reasonable thought but Translating Russian to English has nothing to do with having your US Passport Scanned on exit from the United States . Which happens every time. Your passport is tied to the State Department and your citizenship papers. It’s electronically scanned and contains an RFID tag in them.

The FBI have those records. I’m 100% sure of that. When I get my passport scanned, their systems show my entire travel history instantly as well where I work and what I do for a living. I can’t imagine any mistakes in this regard. The source of this ‘spelling’ rumor is either deceptive or an ignorant. Being it came from Grahmesty I would attribute a little bit of both.

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Car had that incredibly naive “Coexist” bumper sticker:

http://www.ktrh.com/articles/michael-berry-journal-206418/hijacked-car-had-coexist-bumper-sticker-11207298/

Can’t make this stuff up, folks.

RedNewEnglander on April 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Yes, you can make this stuff up. That’s not the hijacked car.

SnarkVader on April 22, 2013 at 12:32 PM

And mighty white of them./

docflash on April 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Clint Eastwood….The Enforcer
…well done.

ToddPA on April 22, 2013 at 12:33 PM

No, different guy.

joejm65 on April 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM

oh. and here I thought I was finally figuring out what happened that night…

Then who was naked guy? Just someone in the wrong place at the wrong time?

AndStatistics on April 22, 2013 at 12:41 PM

same guy as naked-guy?

No, different guy.

joejm65 on April 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM

That “naked guy” was Kenin CT a former poster here
simply trying to get a date with one the two brothers..

ToddPA on April 22, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Report: Bombers spared carjacking victim because … he wasn’t an American

From yesterday…

“We don’t really know,” said Harris-Perry, throwing her hands up about the discussion into the Tsarnaev’s motives.

I suppose the same MSDNC left-wing moonbat also has no clue why they let a non-American live, even after they targeted and terror bombed crowds of Americans watching a marathon on Boston’s “Patriot Day”.

People who severely criticize and condemn US history have no idea what the motives of these home grown US culture hating radical Islamist terrorists could be. After all, a leftist socialist is President of the US now so all US Muslims should be happy, right?

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM

budfox on April 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Georgia; however, is primarily Orthodox and not Muslim. There are some Muslims there, but not the majority.

hip shot on April 22, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Maybe he was their contact and dropped a dime on them because they were risking the cell’s future plans.

AH_C on April 22, 2013 at 1:02 PM

There has been a radical tradition in American politics since the 60s where certain kinds of violence is glorified and romanticized in schools and in popular culture.

Doomberg on April 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I’m sure I have *no* idea who you might be talking about here. And, I’m sure they’re not related to the president in any sort of way, not even politically.

Reasonable thought but Translating Russian to English has nothing to do with having your US Passport Scanned on exit from the United States . Which happens every time. Your passport is tied to the State Department and your citizenship papers. It’s electronically scanned and contains an RFID tag in them.

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 12:31 PM

And, who says it was his American passport he used? (I’m not sure the older brother *had* an American passport; I thought it was the younger one that received his citizenship in 2011?) We don’t seriously ask anyone to cough up their old passports, nor do we make any effort to ensure they don’t get a replacement from their country of origin, once they are American citizens.

Yes, a Russian passport would have a transliterated name in it accompanying the Russian name. If someone typed that name in a list somewhere else, it is entirely possible it was transliterated differently. (Perhaps, even intentionally so.) All of his American documents (TIN/SSN, bank accounts, driver’s license) could use one spelling, and his Russian passport contains a different one.

GWB on April 22, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Only slightly OT: Cardinal knowledge

Shy Guy on April 22, 2013 at 1:13 PM

I’m not sure whether to believe it and neither, apparently, is Pete Williams.

Always a good rationalization for transforming a rumor into a blog post.

libfreeordie on April 22, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Then they carjacked a man–who has not been identified but is described as a Caucasian in his 20s–and rode with him in his black Mercedes SUV.

“Literally” a Caucasian from the Caucasus?

Without knowing more about the “non-American” driving a Mercedes SUV it is impossible to know why they either let him go or didn’t bother to pay enough attention to him enabling him to walk/run away.

In any event, reportedly they let him live for several hours. We know they have no problem killing people. Unless killing an innocent face to face, up close and personal, was a line they could not cross he was not someone they wanted to or were willing kill.

We know he was a non-American. Hard to believe that didn’t have something to do with it, considering White Hat — the guy allegedly misled and brainwashed by his more viscous Svengali-like brother — had no problem putting a bomb down next to eight and six year old kids, walking away, and detonating it. And 36 hours later partying with friends, whom he presumably would not murder.

The guy most likely was a fellow Muslim and/or someone with a similar ethnic background.

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Maybe the guy was Muslim, or told them he was.

Phoenician on April 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Indeed. It’s worth asking him if they discussed Islam during the carjacking.

ITguy on April 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

OT:

This is a few days old, but for an amazing display of cognitive dissonance, we have Cenk Uygur.

Chris of Rights on April 22, 2013 at 1:37 PM

When this was first reported the morning and day of the gunbattle, it was said that he was released because he convinced the brothers that he was a fellow muslim.

Since it would be so like the liberal media to cleanse that story, I am very suspicious of the much later “he wasn’t an American” narrative.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Since it would be so like the liberal media to cleanse that story, I am very suspicious of the much later “he wasn’t an American” narrative.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 1:49 PM

In the clip the reporter states they interviewed the guy, who did not want his identity exposed. He told the reporter(s) he was not an American and he thought that was (or may have been) the reason they did not kill him.

If he told the Tsarnaevs he was a fellow Muslim, whether he really is or not, that could also explain why they did not kill him. I have little doubt the MSM would do all in their power to avoid reporting that.

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

It’s important to read this Among other revelations we learn:

The chief described the chain of events that led to Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s death, beginning late Thursday, after the brothers allegedly carjacked a man in Cambridge. The two brothers let the driver out unharmed, but the driver’s cellphone was still in his car, said Deveau. Police “pinged” the phone to determine where it was, he said, which alerted police that the suspects were in Watertown.

A fascinating account of what happened next follows…

Buy Danish on April 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

My daughter’s schoolmate knows him. She is stunned that he did this because he seemed like such a nice guy and never acted strange or creepy in any way.

Serial killers for $1000

Who is Ted Bundy?

jdkchem on April 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

only a sociopath would plant a bomb next to an innocent random child at an outdoor family friendly sporting event- in fact only sociopaths no matter what their religion or politics (be it the plentiful islamic suicide bombers or the rarer christian bombers of abortion clinics/gay bars or the spate of weather underground marxist serial bombers and cop killers or puerto rican marxists…) plant bombs. period.

all anyone needs to know is that this is the work of sociopaths. sociopaths are incurable. if a religious entity encourages people to commit mass murder it is collectively sociopathic. it’s always the same reason-empathy devoid malignant narcissists craving life or death power over other human beings. the religious reasons or the political reasons are just flimsy window dressing for sociopaths to validate their inexcusable crimes to themselves and their fellow sociopaths. sometimes they even take over entire countries…

they are only stopped by being eradicated.

mittens on April 22, 2013 at 6:57 PM

even among the vilest of serial killers- someone- usually their mom- describes the sociopath in question as an angel who would never be a serial killing necrophiliac or sadistic serial rapist or islamic mass murderer… even ted bundy’s mom( who recently passed) did not believe her son was guilty. others, however , did find ted creepy( several of his friends and co workers including a girl friend actually turned him in as fitting the description of the wanted “co-ed killer” called ‘ted’ years before he was caught) but you rarely here about it because it destroys the media constructed narrative of the yuppie/boy next door charmer who kills. because that’s what sells in our sick society.

mittens on April 22, 2013 at 7:06 PM

It’s all murky to me, just glad the guy is still alive. I don’t understand how they could tell his so freely their involvement in the bombing.

shar61 on April 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Don’t you watch TV or movies?
It’s a rule that the bad guy has to do a plot summary and blab everything to one of the other characters at the end of the story.

justltl on April 22, 2013 at 7:44 PM