Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on April 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

A row has broken out over whether the Obama Administration is violating the legal due process of Boston terror suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev by not reading him his Miranda rights before questioning. The more relevant question for the safety of the U.S. homeland is why the Administration has declined to designate him as a terrorist enemy combatant…

Boylston Street sure looked like a battlefield on Monday, and so did Watertown on Thursday night… The vital distinction for public safety is between common criminals, who deserve due process protections, and enemy combatants at war with the U.S., wherever they are.

As for due process, the greatest danger to liberty would be to allow more such attacks that would inspire an even greater public backlash against Muslims or free speech or worse. The anti-antiterror types on the left and GOP Senators who agree that the U.S. isn’t part of the battlefield are making the U.S. more vulnerable.

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Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) countered he’s “not aware of any legal basis at this point for such a designation” of enemy combatant status in this case.

“I am not aware of any evidence so far that the Boston suspect is part of any organized group, let alone al Qaeda, the Taliban, or one of their affiliates — the only organizations whose members are subject to detention under the Authorization for Use of Military Force, as it has been consistently interpreted by all three branches of our government. In the absence of such evidence I know of no legal basis for his detention as an enemy combatant,” Levin continued. “To hold the suspect as an enemy combatant under these circumstances would be contrary to our laws and may even jeopardize our efforts to prosecute him for his crimes.”…

[Peter] King said people need to get off the argument that the criminal courts system is adequate because it’s successfully prosecuted terrorists before. “I don’t worry about conviction. I don’t worry about a conviction. He’s going to be convicted,” he stressed. “I want the intelligence so we can save American lives. And that can only be done I believe, effectively, if he’s treated as an enemy combatant” without access to a lawyer.

“When the public safety exception expires and it will here soon, this man in my view should be designated as a potential enemy combatant and we should be allowed to question him for intelligence gathering purposes to find out about future attacks and terrorist organizations that may exist that he has knowledge of. And that evidence cannot be used against him in trial. That evidence is used to protect us as a nation,” Graham said on CNN’s State of the Union.

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Note that the law doesn’t characterize every terrorist an enemy combatant, only those who are involved with specific, identifiable enemies: Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Someone who commits an act of terror on behalf of any other group or movement cannot be designated an enemy combatant. It doesn’t matter if that other group is made up of leftist revolutionaries or radical jihadists, the law only permits the enemy combatant designation for Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and their minions.

As of today, there is no publicly available information to suggest that one or either of the Tsarnaevs were trained by Al Qaeda or the Taliban, received any material support from Al Qaeda or the Taliban, or in any way associated with those groups. They may have shared with Al Qaeda and the Taliban a hatred of America and a desire to kill our citizens, but that’s not enough under federal law…

The administration could do what the Bush Administration did and declare a new, untested legal status and deny Tsarnaev a lawyer and access to the courts. It would take several years before the courts ultimately sorted out whether this is appropriate, and presumably some information might be gained from him about other terrorist activities in the meantime. Yet the results of the Bush approach were less than ideal. Two terrorists, Yasir Hamdi and Jose Padilla, were subject to what the federal courts indicated was unconstitutional treatment, and both received much shorter sentences than these terrorists warranted. Indeed, Hamdi today is living abroad, free of U.S. detention.

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Graham acknowledged as much in his press release: “As to any future trial, if this suspect is an American citizen he is not subject to military commission trial.” But he says this doesn’t matter for purposes of detention. Here’s his proposal: Throw Dzhokhar Tsarnaev into a military brig for some prolonged period of time, once his wounds heal sufficiently, and then hand him over to military and CIA interrogators, without a lawyer or any of the other rights criminal defendants are entitled to in American courts. Then turn him over to the court system later.

Graham asserts that the courts would go along with this approach, even though it’s not been used before, and Congress hasn’t authorized it. I’d like to think he’s wrong. Graham’s approach also insults the interrogation capabilities of the FBI for no particular reason. And it fails to address what happens if Tsarnaev refuses to answer questions: McCain and Graham are decent enough to say that Tsarnaev “must be humanely treated.”

It’s the American way to extend to whatever suspect is currently the most hated man in the country the protections of our laws.

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The best solution would simply be for the Supreme Court to change course and allow the admission of all evidence gathered as a result of a civilized compulsory interrogation. Under current law, a suspect can be forced to hand over a blood sample or a fingerprint, because these items are reliable physical evidence, and they don’t violate Fifth Amendment, because blood and prints are not “witnesses,” strictly speaking, and because they are reliable in a way that pure words are not. The same logic holds for admitting all fruit and leads generated by compelled interrogation.

But even if the court won’t go that far, it should hold that in compelled interrogations involving serious and ongoing threats to public safety, evidence and leads obtained by interrogation of the suspect should always be admissible. Let’s bring coffee, donuts, and yes, lawyers, into the interrogation room. But the law should also require the suspect to answer all questions under pain of contempt—meaning he can be jailed if he refuses—and under penalty of perjury. His lawyer should understand that her job is not to aid the suspect in lying or stonewalling. Suspects will of course be tempted to lie in some situations. But even lies can often provide cues and clues to trained investigators, and interrogators should also be able to give lie-detector tests with the oversight of a judge. This is the right balance for public safety and a defendant’s rights—and the Fifth Amendment, properly understood, allows it.

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HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 11:38 PM

oh.. and tell Obama thanks for throwing open the floodgates to SSD and passing everyone possible through and doubling the rolls in four years..

Tell him thanks for making those of us really maimed feel ashamed to mention disability in public. So many fakers in there now, there’s a serious public resentment going on, just what the actually disabled needed…. and there are quite a few blue collar dems pissed about it as well..

jerk..

But you can’t say Obama ever missed a chance to manufacture more government dependents, if the system crashes.. it’ll be his fault. So he’s not doing us any favors..

mark81150 on April 22, 2013 at 11:54 PM

It’s shameful. He’s handing out goodies like cellphones and subsidies to his pals while vets and the truly disabled get by on a pittance as the families who try to care for them navigate through the rotten Obama economy.

Shameful — just shameful.

Punchenko on April 23, 2013 at 12:31 AM

That feeling of not working is the worst thing anyone can wish to a fellow human being. Best of luck.

HotAirLib on April 23, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Obama doesn’t do much actual work and seems happy that way. Michelle Obama does even less actual work and seems very happy that way.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Hey MARK…

OmahaConservative on April 23, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 12:21 AM

I love “Kelly’s Heroes” I recently purchased it.

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:32 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzIsVfZoI1A

For williamg :-)

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:26 AM

He said Gorilla not guerilla..HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!..:)

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:32 AM

;) it is a crack up.

Limerick on April 23, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Punchenko on April 23, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Cellphones, the newest entitlement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/22/lawmakers-warn-cost-federal-free-phone-program-spinning-out-control/

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Friend wants you to rewrite it – it comes across as making fun of Resist.

Btw, where is your lovely today?

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Michelle Obama does even less actual work and seems very happy that way.

VorDaj on April 23, 2013 at 12:31 AM

She eats… a lot, actually. She’s essentially paid to eat and drag her mother along on exotic vacations.

Punchenko on April 23, 2013 at 12:35 AM

So, does your source know how the Saudi managed to catch fire while maintaining his ambulatory ability? Oh, and who was financially supporting the brothers?

wolfsDad on April 23, 2013 at 12:31 AM

No, but when I pressed, the answer was a terse “there is no Saudi connection”. I had mentioned Beck’s link to Fox News Radio. I was a bit surprised, and this person has nothing personal against Beck, but they also have zero reason to lie to me or cover anything up.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on April 23, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Wow! Who sould have seen that coming?? (Scratches head..)

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 12:36 AM

could….wine….

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Still Loving You – Scorpions and Vanessa Mae

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:37 AM

The same ones who constantly attack anyone struggling to find work by calling them takers and leeches. The same ones who constantly attack anyone who has a government job or works for a union. So forgive the sarcasm when it’s revealed some if not most don’t really have jobs.

HotAirLib on April 23, 2013 at 12:27 AM

That’s not right. I don’t think you understand that. Ayn Rand believed a civilization was being constructed who were parasitical. She believed such people would eventually bring down the whole thing, since they didn’t actually contribute anything. The important words would be “looters” and “moochers” — she described the people gathering political power to themselves and taking people’s wealth as looters, and the people living off that unearned wealth as moochers. So when you see those terms, you are seeing her influence.

No one here believes no safety net should exist. No one here believes that the safety net should be allowed to become a permanent social scheme.

Anyway, that’s where those words come from and how they’re being applied.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Evening Jackie – thank you for fighting this today, tomorrow, always. It is one of the most insidious items on their plate. It is Sir Golfsalot’s ultimate dream, to ruin the land for his own benefit. He wants to be in charge of OFA forever.

O bama
F lukes
A merica

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 12:37 AM

There is no wine in could…

Are ye soused a wee bit Ken? :-)

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Instinct alone…….no rational thought….

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Astonishing. Humbling. Alarming.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Punchenko on April 23, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Cellphones, the newest entitlement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/22/lawmakers-warn-cost-federal-free-phone-program-spinning-out-control/

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Basically we pay taxes to keep Barry’s “friends” (donors, really) very, very rich and his constituents (idiots, really) very, very entitled. And both the rich man and the underclass sponge vote for such benefits at our expense.

Punchenko on April 23, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Thumbs up there..We also have a bright side also..:)

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 12:30 AM

LOL… Yes we do,..

It’s the dark which pushes us on, but the lighter side which gives purpose.. the trick is knowing yourself enough to keep the darker side in check..

mark81150 on April 23, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM

I agree. He’s building a machine with the intent of wielding power after he leaves the White House. He means to use that organization to influence and direct policy using the same techniques they employed as his campaign arm. He’s taking a page from Soros’ book.

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:40 AM

He said Gorilla not guerilla..HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!..:)

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 12:33 AM

LOL — Guer. Go. Huge difference! HUGE DIFFERENCE KIDS!

lol.

Shark ate it, swab.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:41 AM

No one here believes no safety net should exist. No one here believes that the safety net should be allowed to become a permanent social scheme.
Anyway, that’s where those words come from and how they’re being applied.
Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Lol. You must be new here.

HotAirLib on April 23, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Lol. You must be new here.

HotAirLib on April 23, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Yeah. Haven’t unpacked.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM

“She tol’ me jus’ ta come own by – if they’s annythin’ she could DO!…….”

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:23 AM

I emailed both of my senators today and told them we didn’t need any more laws just enforcement of what is already in place.

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Hey MARK…

OmahaConservative on April 23, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Evening my friend, I’ve been away a while..

mark81150 on April 23, 2013 at 12:43 AM

HotAirLib on April 23, 2013 at 12:41 AM

LOL! AXE has been here before you were a gleam in daddy’s eye…

OmahaConservative on April 23, 2013 at 12:44 AM

mark81150 on April 23, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Bingo..You just summed it up very well..:)

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 12:45 AM

HotAirLib on April 23, 2013 at 12:41 AM

You poor, lying, pathetic little creature.

The loneliness must be really getting to you, HAL.

You told us you were ‘only nineteen’ last fall. Now you claim you’ve only been out of work a few months in 2008.

I think you’re unraveling, HAL. You can’t even remember the untruths you’ve posted here.

Let me ask you… do you remember harping on asking me if my mother was ‘sick’? Do you remember wishing her, and me, ill?

I remember, HAL.

Now SING DAISY, HAL. You know you want to.

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Punchenko on April 23, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Then he makes speeches about the decline in the middle class. Well, duh!!!!!

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Just celebrating :-)…with friends.

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 12:45 AM

That’s the only retort HAL has… he was stumped… lol…

Axe blew him away!!

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 12:45 AM

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Well deserved!! well deserved Ken :-)

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Agreed..If it is going to happen..It is going to happen out there..:)

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Lol. You must be new here.

HotAirLib on April 23, 2013 at 12:41 AM

I’ve been posting for around a year, but lurked before being allowed to post for 4 years..

He’s right, the only ones who’d do away with the safety net entirely are the very few strict libertarians.. no one else. I’m on the disability list, and have yet to be insulted or called a “leech” by anyone.

You paint with a VERY broad brush..

stereotype much?

mark81150 on April 23, 2013 at 12:48 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzIsVfZoI1A

For williamg :-)

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 12:33 AM

I’ve seen that – and some other things from that “project”…..beautiful!

Thanks, Chrissy!

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM

+ 100..Impressive..:)

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM

That’s wonderful, Cindy. I have, too, and I’ll be making those phone calls tomorrow as well, to be certain they get the message, since Obama’s campaign arm, Organizing for Action, will be calling them tomorrow as well.

This bill is a disaster looming for this nation. The estimated costs, in Obamacare alone, if ONLY 11 million are ‘legalized’ has been estimated by the CBO to be in excess of $2 Trillion. They can only estimate for 10 years out by law. Also, with chain migration and the 400 exceptions, exemptions, and carve outs written into the law, the 11 million will be compounded by millions more. They’ve even changed the legal definition of ‘immediate family’ in order to allow for extended family members to come here as well as those previously deported and all who have any relative in the US who is a citizen.

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:50 AM

My musical tastes are pretty eclectic,.. right now I’m listening to Beethoven’s Emperor Concerto, strange for a guy who didn’t go past high school, but I’ve always had a taste for classical symphony..

I do love the 70′s music a lot too, rock,.. was into Meatloaf, AC DC, Cheap Trick.. Queen..

mark81150 on April 23, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Shhhh, HAL and his gang believe us to be analphabetic rubes and barbarians.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Friend wants you to rewrite it – it comes across as making fun of Resist.

Btw, where is your lovely today?

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 12:34 AM

It does not. Read more slowly. And it’s conversational — that preposition isn’t required. Standard English is a bother. :)

Um, you know, couple times she’s fallen off the HA map this month. I wrote her at her junk box the first time and asked her what the hell was going on and offered her a kidney if she needed it — I’m a romantic — but she didn’t write me back. She’s not good at checking that one anyway; it was a shot in the dark. She’s thinned out the last couple of days too, but I mess with her so much here, I am trying to leave her completely alone anywhere else. I’m not trying to creep the girl out. :) So I’m not sure. Some other part of real life, I suspect, has asserted itself.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:50 AM

I emailed both of my senators today and told them we didn’t need any more laws just enforcement of what is already in place.

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Here’s hoping they get someone to read them for them. (the emails AND the laws)

socalcon on April 23, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Instinct alone…….no rational thought….

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Astonishing. Humbling. Alarming.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:39 AM

: )…..s’true …..no cognitive, rational thought here…..

….that always maximizes Synchronicity, as Carl Jung would say……

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:34 AM

That needs to go away..:)

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Agreed..If it is going to happen..It is going to happen out there..:)

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 12:46 AM

LOL — stop. Cat’s watching me giggle and stuff. I look crazy and he knows it. :)

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:51 AM

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:50 AM

I don’t have much faith in my guys, one senator is a democrat and the other is Marco Rubio, the immigration pusher.

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:52 AM

some know

http://youtu.be/eP05iSzpz94

Fred

jrsrigmvr on April 23, 2013 at 12:53 AM

One flower
on the cliffside
Nodding at the canyon

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 12:53 AM

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on April 23, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Hm. Reminds me of Geithner’s comment to Paul Ryan on the debt.

“We’re not coming before you to say we have a definitive solution to our long-term problem. What we do know is we don’t like yours.”

Substantiation should accompany accusation. But that’s just me.

wolfsDad on April 23, 2013 at 12:53 AM

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Most welcome!

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Gotta step away… my beagle jack russel mixed best friend is wanting walkies..

I’ll try and check in later..

mark81150 on April 23, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM

It either doesn’t know, will never know, or will deride Ayn soon.

Or your write-up went over its head.

I’ve had to explain in here to the R/Cs what “looters and moochers” stands for. Most think it’s someone who comes and takes stuff from your house, at night, or when you’re away…and all the loafers in the land. Well, the latter has the same meaning.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Still… it doesn’t hurt for them to be made aware that their constituency means to make sure they are no longer a member of that elite club known as the political class come next election if they continue along their present course.

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Well, I have forms to fill out and I have to go pee in the bottle in the morning. Thanks for hanging with me tonight. I love my Hot Air friends. Good night.

Jackie..:-)

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 12:51 AM

The article says that many people have more than one of these phones which is illegal. But just like everything else, no one enforces anything. We wouldn’t have a “gun control” or an immigration problem if they would just enforce the stupid laws on the book. Instead they just write more laws to ignore. Maddening.

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM

jrsrigmvr on April 23, 2013 at 12:53 AM

How are you, Fred? :)

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:56 AM

*constructed by people who were parasitical

– bad edit; sorry.

….that always maximizes Synchronicity, as Carl Jung would say……

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 12:51 AM

SparkPlug wants to believe you, but he Kant.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:57 AM

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Good Night Ken and God Bless!!

Sleep well… :-)

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 12:57 AM

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Goodnight, Ken. I know you’ll have a wonderful day! Goodnight and sleep well. *Kiss on the cheek for you* :)

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Well, I have forms to fill out and I have to go pee in the bottle in the morning. Thanks for hanging with me tonight. I love my Hot Air friends. Good night.

Jackie..:-)

KCB on April 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Night KCB, frequently called Ken!

Er . . . very detailed!

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Goodnight KCB. Again, congratulations.

He wants to be in charge of OFA forever.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Can you envision him handing over the keys to Air Force One?

wolfsDad on April 23, 2013 at 12:59 AM

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM

I agree, I don’t want them to use polls that can be made to say anything.

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:59 AM

1 Forest Ham sammich for RWM coming right up with cucumber slices.

Sparkys Food Truck Thread Truck ran over #1 right before #2 did.

SparkPlug on April 23, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:50 AM

English is well speeched here :) Never to worry, on serious note.

Soemone else said this, and I’m afflicted with doing the best spellchecking after hitting the “submit” button.

She’ll be back. Been fighting hard for the cause. She deserves a rest.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 1:00 AM

See y’all later, sweet dreams!!!

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Can you envision him handing over the keys to Air Force One?

wolfsDad on April 23, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Yes…it will make him billions, empty speeches and other crooked arrangements, and he’ll have the keys, just indirectly.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 1:01 AM

….that always maximizes Synchronicity, as Carl Jung would say……

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 12:51 AM

SparkPlug wants to believe you, but he Kant.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Tee-hee-hee-hee-hee!!

LOL!

You’re a Poet and Don’t Know It….. I can tell by your feet — They’re Longfellows!

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Who ordered the Tomato lettuce and mayo? It’s ready at window one.

There is only one window.

SparkPlug on April 23, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM

I can attest to that, my next door neighbour, a 23 yr old, is on his 3rd free phone… on food stamps gets nearly $300 and works…

My other neighbour is disabled and is subsisting on 830 a month, is section 8, gets medicaid and a little in food stamps…

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM

+100..You make a very good point..Nobody is playing by the rules anymore..:(

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 1:01 AM

*o crap*

*clutches pearls*

– be back in a minute. need . . . to make a sandwich.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 1:01 AM

She’ll be back.
Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 1:00 AM

According to Melissa Harry-Perry, Being From The Caucasus Means You’re White. Some Beauty Queens Beg To Differ

M2RB: Def Leppard

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Good night Cindy! rest well and God Bless!

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM

How are you, Fred? :)

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 12:56 AM

slippin’ farther into the black hole. the light is getting dimmer by the day.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on April 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 12:59 AM

I’m going to be considerably less cordial than I’ve been in the past when I speak to the staffers tomorrow. I want it clearly understood that if my congress member(s) vote for this bill, I’ll never vote for them again and I’ll volunteer my time, my skills, and my money to anyone who primaries them.

Each call, fax, email, or letter they receive they count as the opinion of about 5000 people in their constituency. I was told this by an Aide in a senator’s office.

Let them hear our voices.

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM

– be back in a minute. need . . . to make a sandwich get cold towel.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 1:03 AM

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Hear!..Hear!..:)

Dire Straits on April 23, 2013 at 1:04 AM

jrsrigmvr on April 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM

You’re going to be okay,Fred. Ken was looking for some time, too, but he found work, and so will you. You’re a strong and capable man, Fred, with a great deal of experience. You’ll be fine.

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 1:04 AM

….sorry about the schoolyard poetry reference…… had to reach for fifth grade…..

…I had nothin’……..

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 1:04 AM

slippin’ farther into the black hole. the light is getting dimmer by the day.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on April 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Fred, a good man like you will find work…

Don’t get sucked into that dread place, stay up-lifted please!

:-) {hugs}

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Cindy Munford on April 23, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Goodnight, Cindy. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 1:06 AM

With A Little Help From My Friends – Cocker

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 1:08 AM

….sorry about the schoolyard poetry reference…… had to reach for fifth grade…..

…I had nothin’……..

williamg on April 23, 2013 at 1:04 AM

dude. no worries. sometimes you just have to say some s***. :)

^ learned that word on TV.

*munch*

Anyone want a Dr. Pepper? I forgot. I gotta go back.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Lolz. Axe is very vulnerable when RWM doesn’t give him attention.

Here Axe, have a waffle cone.

SparkPlug on April 23, 2013 at 1:09 AM

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 1:04 AM

thanks i spose i needed that, but i have a bunch of kids that depend on me and i don’t know if i will come through next month. This is not the America I grew up in where the gov’t goes out of it’s way to inflict pain on it’s citizens.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on April 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM

SparkPlug on April 23, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Made me laugh! LOL!

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM

According to Melissa Harry-Perry, Being From The Caucasus Means You’re White. Some Beauty Queens Beg To Differ

M2RB: Def Leppard

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 1:00 AM

You should go see that one Spark. Those are all the girls that are going to ignore you.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM

SparkPlug on April 23, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Now, now…only Jackie is allowed to tease him on topic.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Good evening, my friends!

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Shot thru with angst
Stuttering stumbling
Seeking I know not what
But seeking still

Rank and fileness
Fills empty days
Sunlit shadows
Sprinkled with motes

Walls with no end
Windows, the eyes
On a world gone mad
Cluttering noise

Stop the train
I have to get off
Let me be free
To fly so high

Silence again
I sit and wonder
Life, is this
All there is?

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 1:12 AM

You should go see that one Spark. Those are all the girls that are going to ignore you.

Axe on April 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Don’t worry Spark. They’ll ignore Axe too.

The one with the tablecloth around the head is ridiculous, just like the dead creep’s idiotic wife.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 1:13 AM

jrsrigmvr on April 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM

I understand, Fred. No one can ever ask any more from you than your very best… and I believe you are doing your very best for your family. Talk to them, Fred. Tell them where you stand and how things stand and they’ll support you 100%.

You’ll find work, Fred. As I said, you’re an asset to an employer. You’re experienced, you’ve got a great work record, and you understand the men with whom you work. These are valuable commodities.

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Good evening Sophie!! Good to see you :-)

Scrumpy on April 23, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Hi Sophie – Axe really missed you. He’s willing to give up a kidney for you, no kidding.

Schadenfreude on April 23, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Good evening, RWM. It’s wonderful to see you. :)

thatsafactjack on April 23, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Good evening, my friends!

Resist We Much on April 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM

We got cherry and lime slurpies. Hey did you pay for those cheetos?

SparkPlug on April 23, 2013 at 1:15 AM

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