Pro-reform GOP Senate aide: Don’t blame our immigration system for the Tsarnaevs, blame “our society”

posted at 4:01 pm on April 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Michael Goldfarb, a complement to Erick Erickson’s post today at Red State about Republican aides turning desperate, shrill, and repulsive as the Gang of Eight bill runs into stumbling blocks. Quote:

MORNING MINDMELD, from GOP Senate aide whose boss favors immigration reform: “The … analysis that the Boston attacks are a setback for immigration reform appears wrongheaded, as we learn more about the story. The fault here wasn’t our immigration system, since the suspects immigrated legally a decade ago as kids and apparently were radicalized here. If anything, the fault lies with our society and domestic intelligence services. Given the facts, the events in Boston seem unlikely to stoke nativist sentiments that may derail immigration reform. To the contrary, to the extent it renews fears of terrorism, it will strengthen the case for reform, since the bipartisan proposal fixes major gaps in our national security posture (by implementing a visa-exit system, registering and background-checking undocumented immigrants, gaining 100% awareness of our southern border, etc.).”

I want to know how a “society” that granted the family asylum and then gave Dzhokhar money to go to school is culpable in the bombing. Dzhokhar, at least, seemed well assimilated given the number of classmates who’ve been babbling to the media about how nice and normal and chill he was. Maybe the problem has more to do with him being a sociopath than with “society”?

Nice job, though, by the GOP aide in throwing the word “nativist” in there even though most amnesty opponents on the right support legal immigration. How does a left-wing buzzword like that end up in a Republican aide’s statement? Very easily, actually: Turns out it’s not the first time conservative staffers have resorted to liberal smears lately in defense of the bill. Conn Carroll:

Yesterday, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., spokesman Alex Conant caused a bit of a stir when he argued against granting permanent legal residence to illegal immigrants by claiming, “We haven’t had a cohort of people living permanently in US without full rights of citizenship since slavery.”

Not only is Rubio’s permanent-residents-are-slaves argument a leftist talking point, but it is also dead wrong.

For starters, Rubio’s bill doesn’t even solve the problem. Only 40 percent of the illegal immigrants who received permanent legal resident status through the 1986 amnesty went on to obtain citizenship. That means, by Rubio’s leftist logic, 60 percent of those who took advantage of the 86 amnesty are still suffering as slaves in the United States today. And Rubio has repeatedly bragged that his path to citizenship will be tougher than the 1986 path. That means even fewer currently illegal immigrants will go on to become citizens under Rubio’s plan. How dare Rubio propose a plan that creates millions of new legal-resident slaves!

More importantly, there just is no comparison between slaves, who were brought and kept here against their will, with immigrants who came here and stay here by choice.

Read his post for examples of leftists using the “slavery” analogy to browbeat amnesty opponents. There’s nothing new about this sort of demagoguery on the GOP side. Lindsey Graham famously reassured his audience in a speech to the National Council of La Raza in 2007 that pro-amnesty forces in the Senate were going to tell “the bigots” to shut up, by which he meant “those opposed to Ted Kennedy’s immigration plan.” McCain once compared opponents of tax breaks for amnestied illegals to supporters of Jim Crow laws on the Senate floor. These are the people who are masterminding the Gang of Eight bill today; go figure that Rubio and his staff would fall into the same habits. And the punchline is, the “slavery” argument being used by Republicans against the right here will be used by the left against Republicans to speed up the path to citizenship if/when this bill finally passes. I’ve seen a dozen news stories over the past week emphasizing that the process in its proposed form will take 15-20 years for the average illegal, but by Team Rubio’s own logic, that’s 15-20 of quasi-slavery. When Schumer et al. turn around three years from now and demand an expedited process in the name of not replicating some immigration version of Jim Crow, what will be the reply?

Says Erickson:

I want an immigration reform plan that will solve the problems we now have with unskilled workers who come here illegally. I am not sure that the proposed plan will do that. What I do know is that conservatives should be deeply skeptical of Republicans who call upstanding conservatives racists and baby killers while allying themselves with the race baiters and baby killers of the left on this issue.

The damage Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and Bush staffers did in 2005-2006 has not been undone. They called many Republicans bigots and racists who were not, but who stood in the way of their comprehensive approach to immigration. That created a great deal of distrust and animosity on this issue. Instead of trying to understand the legitimate concerns of those who opposed their plan, they tarred and feathered them all.

Free advice to Rubio and the Gang of Eight: The quickest way to light a fire under the asses of amnesty opponents, who’ve done little more than mutter under their breaths so far (like me), is to keep up this sort of demagoguery. Rubio’s done a nifty job defanging the opposition with his charm offensive on talk radio. Once the charm disappears, all that’s left is a guy defending a bill that’s not much better on the merits than the McCain/Kennedy immigration bills of five years ago. Seriously, read Byron York on how feeble the bill’s border enforcement provisions are. If DHS can’t secure the border in five years, the “border commission” will issue a report recommending next steps and … that’s it. That’s the end of enforcement requirements. No wonder Democrats can’t help chirping excitedly to reporters about all the concessions they received in the bill. Obama, whom people like Ted Cruz have accused of wanting to sabotage the bill, is actually going to have OFA campaign on its behalf. Not only are we getting demagogued, we’re being steamrolled on top of it.

Update: Presented without comment, Peter Kirsanow’s take on the bill:

On Friday I was one of only two witnesses (the other being Douglas Holtz-Eakin) to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the comprehensive immigration-reform bill. My comments here are not about the substance of my testimony, but about process.

The proposed measure is poised to profoundly reorder our society, both economically and sociologically, and the Gang of Eight drops a bewilderingly complex 844-page bill with innumerable moving parts — a bill drafted behind closed doors on the rest of the Senate only 48 hours before the hearing. There was hardly time to absorb more than the title and preamble before the hearing, at a time when most of the nation and Congress were rightly occupied with the hunt for the surviving Boston Marathon bomber (indeed, the only other witness scheduled to testify was DHS secretary Janet Napolitano, who had to cancel due to the developments involving the imminent capture of the suspect)…

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this process is an abomination. I’ve testified numerous times before the judiciary committee, including the confirmation hearings of the last four nominees to the Supreme Court. Never has the committee treated a matter of such magnitude so cavalierly. One member of the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body used his limited time on Friday to ask me just one urgent question — about my Wikipedia page.

Update: Almost forgot: How many Senate votes is our ostensibly anti-pork GOP prepared to buy by sticking political favors into the bill? Turns out there’s already stuff in there for Rubio (help for Florida’s cruise-ship industry) and Democratic “Gang” member Michael Bennet.

Update: Rubio spokesman Alex Conant e-mails:

I regret evoking slavery in the context of the current debate because obviously there’s no comparison between the plight of slaves and today’s illegal immigrants. The point I was trying to make (in 140 characters) is that allowing immigrants to apply for permanent residence, but not eventually be able to apply for the full benefits of citizenship, has been tried and failed, and has had disastrous social consequences in Europe today.


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“Let’s reform the laws that we’re not enforcing now, so that we will have a whole new set of laws not to enforce.”

Akzed on April 22, 2013 at 4:03 PM

apparently were radicalized here.

Dodge! Wink! Look over there!

The trip to Russia had nothing to do with it! Especially since we failed to look.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I want to know how a “society” that granted the family asylum and then gave Dzhokhar money to go to school is culpable in the bombing.

Because shut up, thats why.

BobMbx on April 22, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Rubio and the Gang of Eight…

Buck Rufio and his “Gang of Eight”. Treasonous, the lot of ‘em, for trying to pull this over on America.

Shepherd Lover on April 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Well, that didn’t take long..The GOP is in full Blame America mode.

There is no difference in the parties. It’s official.

katy on April 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM

blame “our society”

Sure. Can I start with liberals?

kim roy on April 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Given the facts, the events in Boston seem unlikely to stoke nativist sentiments that may derail immigration reform. To the contrary, to the extent it renews fears of terrorism, it will strengthen the case for reform, since the bipartisan proposal fixes major gaps in our national security posture (by implementing a visa-exit system, registering and background-checking undocumented immigrants, gaining 100% awareness of our southern border, etc.).”

I love that last bit. “[G]aining 100% awareness of our southern border”. What the hell does that mean? We’re already aware of the border. The problem is we’re not treating it like one and protecting it against invaders.

Serious question. If this gets rammed through the Senate which looks to be the case considering how far gone Rubio and his aides are, what is its fate in the House? Boehner isn’t seriously going to bring this up for a vote and allow it to pass with 20-30 wobbly Republicans joining a united Democrat caucus, right?

Doughboy on April 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM

I want to know how a “society” that granted the family asylum and then gave Dzhokhar money to go to school is culpable in the bombing. Dzhokhar, at least, seemed well assimilated given the number of classmates who’ve been babbling to the media about how nice and normal and chill he was. Maybe the problem has more to do with him being a sociopath than with “society”?

How about we blame the two brothers. I know personal responsibility is out of fashion these days, but still. . .

rbj on April 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Nowadays, the only difference between a Democrat and a Republican [not a Conservative] is whether or not the cat shit is stuck to the bottom of your shoe – yet.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM

I sure hope everyone here who can see through this bag of catcrap has and will continue to write every congressman and senator they can. The gun bill failed not because the GOP was afraid of it, it failed because we the peeps understood it to be the power grab that it was.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:09 PM

How many of the teenagers and young adults who spent their whole lives here have been radicalized?

It doesn’t matter if they legally came here. Obviously the time they spent in thus Muslim Russia states had its affect and made it far easier for them to be radicalized. Enforce the laws we have now and take a closer look at who is being allowed in.

chemman on April 22, 2013 at 4:10 PM

I suspect this, along with Obamacare and the Patriot Act are nothing more than ramrods to align out country with UN goals.

It makes no other sense as to why the constitutional legislative process is continually and illegally ignored and is now defacto standard operating procedure.

Skywise on April 22, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Well, that didn’t take long..The GOP is in full Blame America mode.
There is no difference in the parties. It’s official.
katy on April 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM

I want to RIP my hair out!!

That’s it… it’s done…

We are being RULED by fracking azzholes!!

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM

The older brother came here legally, but we had 2 chances to deport him. In 2009 he was convicted of domestic abuse then in 2011 we received information from Russia that he had ties to militants. The great thing about immigration law is you don’t even need a criminal conviction to deport someone. Once you have some evidence ship ‘em out! Unfortunately this is not the policy of the Obama administration.

Wigglesworth on April 22, 2013 at 4:13 PM

I doubt the Dems wait three years before they start demanding an “expedited process.” Probably more like three months – they’ll want plenty of time before the midterms to get all of those new voters registered as Democrats and “educated” on how important it is for them to get out and vote.

Gator Country on April 22, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:09 PM

From what was said, they don’t give a flying cr4p!

I gotta go before I blow…

later peeps

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM

They want this pork-laden bill to pass no matter what. Everyone gets a slice of the money pie somewhere along the line, so desperation is going rule the day for them. Expect a hard push to get the thing passed before some people, originally for it, might say, “Let’s think about this a minute.”

Liam on April 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM

We are being RULED by fracking azzholes!!

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM

AZZHOLES or not, we’re being RULED, and that is just as much of an indictment on the American people, as it is the political pigs in perpetuity who lord over us – with our permission.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 22, 2013 at 4:16 PM

God damn all the fools in the USA, starting with the ones in DC.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:16 PM

blame “our society”

Sure. Can I start with liberals?

Sure…..they have, for decades, a lock on teaching positions within our public institutions of so-called learning, prominent positions in media and entertainment and thus cast great influence on mushminded people from childhood through adulthood. And too many parents who might have influence otherwise, abandon the raising of their offspring to others in molding character.

So, yes, its our liberal infested society that is, at least, partly at fault.

Add the radical influence of islam to the mix and it becomes deadly.

hawkeye54 on April 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Serious question. If this gets rammed through the Senate which looks to be the case considering how far gone Rubio and his aides are, what is its fate in the House? Boehner isn’t seriously going to bring this up for a vote and allow it to pass with 20-30 wobbly Republicans joining a united Democrat caucus, right?

Doughboy on April 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM

I think it dies in the house and Democrats continue to Demagogue immigration for Latino votes.

Rubio is the GOP establishment’s slick salesman for Amnesty. Republicans in the Senate are playing possum and letting this roll through because they are tired of having to respond to all the immigration demagoguery on the campaign trail and just want this issue to go away. They wrongly believe that by giving amnesty to illegals, most Latino voters are going to vote some other way than Democrat.

Corporal Tunnel on April 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Faux has benn shilling a lot pro Amnesty.

May they, who shilled for bringing Mitt, have the same results.

Terrorism will hopefully down this national travesty.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM

You would think that we would be used to being called racists and baby killers. A little extra sting when it’s from “our” guys.

Cindy Munford on April 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM

been shilling

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM

I not only blame our immigration system for the ‘Tsarnaev’s’ I blame it for trying to COLONIZE Mexico, Central, and South America.

In this bill… if an illegal aliens is even related to an American citizen… they get a green card. Thus… not only all those who came here illegally and had a child while here get rewarded… but all of their relatives do, too. How many MILLIONS more will that add to this AMNESTY? It compounds the 11 million this AMNESTY already slates for ‘legalization’.

We cannot support them. It’s that simple. They would all become eligible for Obamacare and a plethora of other benefits under the 83 separate federal welfare programs.

Tell your Member of Congress:

“Reject the Gang of Eight’s Backroom Deal!”

Last week, the Senate Gang of Eight unveiled its “comprehensive” immigration reform plan just after 2 a.m. Wednesday morning. The pro-amnesty and open borders lobbies are wasting no time in trying to ram this bill through Congress before the American people have a chance to understand the bill’s detrimental effects!
Proponents of the amnesty legislation argue they are allowing the bill to be addressed in a fair and open manner, yet they insist on holding hearings on the legislation before anyone has a chance to read the bill in its entirety.

In fact, the Senate Judiciary Committee held its first hearing on the 844-page legislation Friday morning, barely 48 hours after the Gang introduced it. Now the Senate Judiciary Committee is currently holding a second hearing on the legislation, featuring 23 witnesses—all of whom have unlikely had time to read the near 900-page bill either.

The Gang claims its bill is not a special path to citizenship, will secure the border, and will strengthen worksite enforcement. This is simply untrue. In reality, the bill:

Grants amnesty (referred to as “registered provisional status” by Gang members) to illegal aliens who came to the U.S. before 2012. This will be done after the Secretary of Homeland Security merely issues PLANS to secure the border and add fencing—not actually secures the border;
Grants an expedited path to citizenship in just five years to illegal aliens who entered the U.S. before the age of 16 and meet certain criteria regardless of their current age;
Gives a green card in five years to illegal alien farm workers who pledge to continue working in ag for a certain period of time;
Allows previously deported illegal aliens to apply for amnesty if they are a spouse, parent, or child of a U.S. citizen or green card holder, or entered the country unlawfully before the age of 16 and meet additional criteria;
Grants green cards in 10 years to those given provisional status so long as:
the Secretary’s border security and fencing plan is “substantially” in place,
E-Verify is simply “implemented” but not yet used by all employers,
and an exit system is in place at only air and sea ports but not land ports of entry;
Waives the above conditions to granting green cards to provisional amnestied aliens if one or more of the conditions are tied up in court after 10 years; and
Grants millions of dollars to organizations to help illegal aliens submit amnesty applications.

Starting tomorrow, Organizing for Action, President Obama’s campaign arm, is urging its members to call Congress to support this amnesty bill.

Don’t let their voices be the only ones your Members of Congress hear. Tell your Members you’ve had enough of the Gang of Eight’s lies. Americans need jobs and our immigration laws enforced, not more D.C. pandering to special interests!

Click here to find your Members of Congress and call today!

-FAIR

P.S. Don’t miss the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing going on right now on the Gang of Eight Bill. Watch it live on FAIR’s website.

Federation for American Immigration Reform

thatsafactjack on April 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Boehner isn’t seriously going to bring this up for a vote and allow it to pass with 20-30 wobbly Republicans joining a united Democrat caucus, right?

Doughboy on April 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Yes, and if the gun ban had gotten out of the Senate, he’d have pushed it through the House too.

Here in OH, those of us outside of Boner’s home turf recognize him as just another DC ruling class idiot who is more concerned about being “in with the in crowd” within the Beltway than the effects of that in crowd’s delusions on the world outside of same. He wants to sit across the table from The One, smoking cigarettes and drinking imported beer, so he can feel important. To achieve that, he has to keep The One happy.

Not only doesn’t he care about the consequences of his actions, he apparently believes that anything he does is automatically good- just because he does it.

The perfect RINO, in other words. Or in even other, other words, the classic “made man”, Cosa Nostra style.

But I didn’t really intend to do anything wrong, I just wanted to do business with the Don!

clear ether

eon

eon on April 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM

So, only the pro amnesty supporters can use Boston as an excuse…got it.

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Rubio, Paul, Ms. Lindsey, McCain, Boehner and the leftists are all on the same side. Tighten your pants.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Should Boston hold up path to citizenship? No. Should Boston make clear that the border MUST be secured before we get into a path of citizenship? Hell yes.

Zaggs on April 22, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I think it dies in the house and Democrats continue to Demagogue immigration for Latino votes.

Corporal Tunnel on April 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I hope so. I would gladly take that outcome over the thing passing and effectively ending America as we know it.

BTW, apparently according to the ICE President, this bill won’t allow ICE agents to arrest people for overstaying their visas. And no, that’s not a typo.

Doughboy on April 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM

You know, the really ironic thing here for me is my wife is an immigrant. She waited, paid her dues, learned the rules, and is happy as a kid at Christmas to be living in America. She has way less sympathy for these traitors than I do.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM

How I wish the entire bill goes up in flames, just like gun control.

Wake up good people of America.

The knive is close to your throat.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM

We need to make them US citizens, to see if they are terrorists

J_Crater on April 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM

knive = knife

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Rubio, Paul, Ms. Lindsey, McCain, Boehner and the leftists are all on the same side. Tighten your pants.

This isn’t going to end well. Be prepared.

hawkeye54 on April 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM

We need to make them US citizens, to see if they are terrorists

J_Crater on April 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Comment of the times!!!

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Pork is such an important part of the Schumer plan…I thought we were broke.

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Nice job, though, by the GOP aide in throwing the word “nativist” in there even though most amnesty opponents on the right support legal immigration. How does a left-wing buzzword like that end up in a Republican aide’s statement?

The Rs are the biggest traitors of the land. They enable the leftist tyrants against the land.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

and apparently were radicalized here

WHAT difference does it make WHERE they were radicalized ?

The point is that they are muslims , jihadies as well as cop killers,
or as the Husseins will call them — friends.
Now lets talk about the Husseins being associated with people that bomb Americans and kill cops……

burrata on April 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Wake up good people of America.

The knive is close to your throat.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Wide awake and reporting for duty!

OhEssYouCowboys on April 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

It seems to me Rubio is one of three things:

1) He’s an idiot and actually thinks that he can make poor, unskilled, Spanish-speaking third-world people into small-government, Republican-voting Constitutional originalists

2) He knows the bill’s a turkey and wants it to fail so he’s inoculated from criticism as a self-hating Hispanic from the left and their allies on the path to the presidency

3) He’s a fraud

crrr6 on April 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Yep, so if you are against immigration reform you are the same as slaveholders. You know it is great guys that you are taking a play out of the liberals playbook, but you are suppose to be using this playbook against liberals. /facepalm

I am so sick of socalled Republicans using leftist talking points to tar their own.

melle1228 on April 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Pork is such an important part of the Schumer plan…I thought we were broke.

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Not according to that POS Grover Norquist who is testifying today on behalf of the Democrats(yes, you read that correctly). He opened his remarks by saying we’re the richest nation in the world. $17 trillion in debt be damned.

Doughboy on April 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM

The critique of the process is no surprise…we saw with ObamaCare that it’s more important to say you’re doing something than to pay attention to the details, or to actually read the thing.

And, as someone who things reform is needed, these GOP aides and staffers are quickly turning me against the bill with their shameful demagoguery. That is, after all, what you resort to when you can’t defend it on the merits, and you’ve gotta wonder why that is. I like Rubio, and I think he’d be better off reassessing his role here and his support for this bill.

changer1701 on April 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Nah, happened way back, blame the Native Americans, they failed to invent gun powder soon enough, that allowed them to be killed off to easy by the first illegals to jump the borders.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM

BTW, apparently according to the ICE President, this bill won’t allow ICE agents to arrest people for overstaying their visas. And no, that’s not a typo.

Doughboy on April 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM

How do you say “I’m a Dreamer” in Mexican? Those few words make them untouchable.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM

On Friday I was one of only two witnesses (the other being Douglas Holtz-Eakin) to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the comprehensive immigration-reform bill. My comments here are not about the substance of my testimony, but about process.

The proposed measure is poised to profoundly reorder our society, both economically and sociologically, and the Gang of Eight drops a bewilderingly complex 844-page bill with innumerable moving parts — a bill drafted behind closed doors on the rest of the Senate only 48 hours before the hearing. There was hardly time to absorb more than the title and preamble before the hearing, at a time when most of the nation and Congress were rightly occupied with the hunt for the surviving Boston Marathon bomber (indeed, the only other witness scheduled to testify was DHS secretary Janet Napolitano, who had to cancel due to the developments involving the imminent capture of the suspect)…

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this process is an abomination. I’ve testified numerous times before the judiciary committee, including the confirmation hearings of the last four nominees to the Supreme Court. Never has the committee treated a matter of such magnitude so cavalierly. One member of the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body used his limited time on Friday to ask me just one urgent question — about my Wikipedia page.

Significant – must be re-posted here.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Nah, happened way back, blame the Native Americans, they failed to invent gun powder soon enough, that allowed them to be killed off to easy by the first illegals to jump the borders.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM

You mean Siberian-Americans, no?

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM

You know, the really ironic thing here for me is my wife is an immigrant. She waited, paid her dues, learned the rules, and is happy as a kid at Christmas to be living in America. She has way less sympathy for these traitors than I do.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM

PROBABALY BECAUSE SHE CELEBRATES CHRISTMAS. GEE, THAT’S FUNNY, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A CATHOLIC DROPPED A BACKPACK BOMB BEHIND AN 8 YEAR OLD BOY. CAN’T THINK OF ANYTIME RECENT THAT HAPPENED. I CAN TELL YOU OF A RECENT INCIDENT WHERE TWO MUSLIM SCUMBAGS DID JUST THAT AND BLEW OFF THE LEGS OF MANY OTHERS.

GhoulAid on April 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM

FAIR Home Page with links to contact your congress members

The Organizing arm of Obama’s campaign is going to be calling all of the congress members tomorrow in order to pressure them into voting for AMNESTY.

Call your congress members and tell them to vote NO on AMNESTY.

It only takes a couple of minutes. The staffers who take your message will be courteous.

LET THEM HEAR YOUR VOICE.

thatsafactjack on April 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM

“You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.”

– Abraham Lincoln

h/t thatsafactjack

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM

We need to make them US citizens, to see if they are terrorists

We don’t necessarily need to make them citizens, just keep welcoming masses of US haters here. Eventually they will commit an atrocity that will trigger the bible-clinging gun toters direct response.

Barry can’t have that. Misguided citizens jumping to conclusions and taking matters into their own hands. THAT will call for decisive retaliatory action on his part to restore order and calm, and disarm the hot heads.

hawkeye54 on April 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM

And now you are laughing all the way to the casino bank.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I wish politicians like Rubio could wrap thier heads around the fact that after decades of turning a blind eye to illegal aliens and open borders, culminating with an administration taking a governor to court for trying to do something to enforce the border, there is literally no trust left in our federal government. Calling us names and shouting isn’t going to help you. And with the bombings in Boston, not to mention the Saudi kid that was here on a student visa, even though he was flagged for terrorism, one could say that solutions to our immigration problems cannot possibly come out of that town. Simply put, Congress and the White House is going to have to enforce current law for decades before there can be any trust to write any new law. Sorry, politicians, but trust is a real thing. And once it’s gone, you can’t cuss and yell it back into existence.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Thank you, Schadenfreude. :)

I hope everyone takes the time to read it.

thatsafactjack on April 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Be right back. Gotta go stoke my nativist sentiments.

Curtiss on April 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM

crrr6 on April 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Door #3…

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Free advice to Rubio and the Gang of Eight: The quickest way to light a fire under the asses of amnesty opponents, who’ve done little more than mutter under their breaths so far (like me), is to keep up this sort of demagoguery.

May the flame burn, and burn, and burn. May it be a brushfire!!!

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Bush called those who were down on the Mexican/Texas border attempting to help the ranchers there stay alive, keep their cattle alive, keep their families safe, and keep the land from being ruined, “vigialanties” and worse.

Fact is he knew some of us from the days of getting him elected Gov. of Texas, he turned his back on us and in fact threw us under his F250 bus.

Elite little sob rino.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 22, 2013 at 4:29 PM

M. Thatcher: There is no such thing as “society.”

I agree.

PattyJ on April 22, 2013 at 4:30 PM

“We are not going to run people down. We are not going to scapegoat people. We are going to tell the bigots to shut-up…”

Lindsey Graham to La Raza audience

The hypocrisy is mind numbing.

aquaviva on April 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Obama, whom people like Ted Cruz have accused of wanting to sabotage the bill, is actually going to have OFA campaign on its behalf. Not only are we getting demagogued, we’re being steamrolled on top of it.

If Cruz uses his brain well, he could torpedo the entire thing. If he doesn’t, he’s no different from all the other traitors.

O bama
f lukes
A merica

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM

it’s our “society” that re-elected Barack Hussein Obama to keep us from that crazy Mormon Romney (how can he relate, he never snorted coke or choomed weed). Yeah, it’s bigoted.

kirkill on April 22, 2013 at 4:33 PM

To look at the front picture is hurl-inducing.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Primary the swine of S.C.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:35 PM

I sure hope everyone here who can see through this bag of catcrap has and will continue to write every congressman and senator they can. The gun bill failed not because the GOP was afraid of it, it failed because we the peeps understood it to be the power grab that it was.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:09 PM

One other thing. The 2nd Amendment had support from a powerful, vocal interest group led by the NRA. Where are all the powerful voices in support of the anti-illegal immigrant position? Well, there’s one, the ICE union, but they’re a left-leaning organization. So, where are the powerful loud, right-leaning organizations and individuals on this issue?!

JonPrichard on April 22, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 4:35 PM

I intend to travel to SC and donate my time and my money to that effort. :)

thatsafactjack on April 22, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Rubio’s greatest mistake, signing on with Graham and McCain. Wanting our laws enforced does not make us bigots or show a lack of compassion. Pandering to the illegal alien population is not the right thing for our country nor the Republican party.

deuce on April 22, 2013 at 4:38 PM

It looks like a WWE type of a setup to me.
McShameless and his Lady Lindsee will throw a tantrum and beat up Hussein and Killery over Benghazi and in turn let Hussein beat up our country . Seems more like a tag match between the 8 custards and Hussein.

burrata on April 22, 2013 at 4:39 PM

“blame our society”?

Are you f*cking kidding me?

Fire this f*cking moron instantly.

I swear, I am never voting for the GOP again until they pull their heads out of their backsides – perhaps ever (and leaning more that direction daily). They may be slightly less insane than Democraps, but only marginally so.

Midas on April 22, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Once gay marriage is mainstream, Muslims will assimilate much quicker.

ndanielson on April 22, 2013 at 4:39 PM

JonPrichard on April 22, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Don’t be scaring me now, dern-it. We must keep up the momentum from the gun bill victory.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Go back to immigration quotas c. 1960.

Akzed on April 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Capital really wants this immigration bill. And why wouldn’t they. Pushing wages down further is what Wall Street wants, its been the basis of corporate gains in the past decade. Creating a legalized caste of low wage, non-unionized workers? I believe capitalism calls that Yahtzee! So now the right may finally wise up that the GOP is out to do one thing, line the pockets of the corporate interests who donate to their campaigns (yes, Democrats have no other interests either). Can we finally start talking about the way Capital is doing everything possible to sacrifice the American standard of living in order to enrich themselves? You don’t have to be a Marxist to see it, the evidence is plain as day. Tax cuts that benefit, the wealthy. Labor policies that benefit employers. Open borders that benefit profit margins. Name one thing any Republican or Democratic president has done since Reagan was elected that inspired corporations to increase wages. Name one supply side policy that increased wages rather than products? You can’t do it. The only thing that has increased wages since Reagan’s election are a series of boom and bust speculative markets. This is late capitalism people, and you made it all your own. Now with immigration reform you’re starting to get it.

libfreeordie on April 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM

We need to make them US citizens, to see if they are terrorists

J_Crater on April 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM

LOL. The American society can’t very well corrupt them into terrorists if they don’t have an avenue to become citizens.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 4:42 PM

libfreeordie on April 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM

So you’re against the immigration bill ( aka Amnesty) then?

thatsafactjack on April 22, 2013 at 4:42 PM

libfreeordie on April 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Calvin Coolidge. Roaring 20s. That is free markets for you.

nobar on April 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Nice job, though, by the GOP aide in throwing the word “nativist” in there even though most amnesty opponents on the right support legal immigration.

I think things will start coming unravelled if they keep this stuff up. The GOP can barely hide its hatred and contempt for its voters on a good day. Given the beating Rubio’s been taking I think we’re likely to hear more and more of this talk.

How does a left-wing buzzword like that end up in a Republican aide’s statement?

Because there’s effectively no difference between the left and most of the Republican Party anymore.

Boehner isn’t seriously going to bring this up for a vote and allow it to pass with 20-30 wobbly Republicans joining a united Democrat caucus, right?

Doughboy on April 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM

He absolutely will. See here: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/11/boehner-theres-no-rule-that-says-i-need-a-republican-majority-in-order-to-pass-bills-in-the-house/

Doomberg on April 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM

thatsafactjack on April 22, 2013 at 4:42 PM

No it is trolling to change the subject the corporate greed. Don’t fall for it. Back to making the system sane.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:45 PM

What was that, Anti-Racist Hitler?

ex_machina on April 22, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I just wanted the racist little squid to admit it.

thatsafactjack on April 22, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Please Charlie Crist, come back to the conservative fold. We’ll vote for you over this dolt, Rubio, the immigration manchurian candidate.

msupertas on April 22, 2013 at 4:46 PM

msupertas on April 22, 2013 at 4:46 PM

That’s like asking Willie Wonka to embrace spinach.

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 4:48 PM

So you’re against the immigration bill ( aka Amnesty) then?

thatsafactjack on April 22, 2013 at 4:42 PM

I am.

libfreeordie on April 22, 2013 at 4:49 PM

blame “our society”

Maybe I’m wrong, but there could be one aspect of our society that all of these crazy loons turned mass killers have in common:

Public School education.

MichaelGabriel on April 22, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Be right back. Gotta go stoke my nativist sentiments.

Curtiss on April 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I find that my nativist sentiments are quite stoked after a day of bitter bible and gun clinging.

But I’ve always been a good multi-tasker.

Lily on April 22, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Tomorrow Obama’s campaign arm Organizing for Action is using its members to call our congress members and pressure them to vote for the immigration bill, a backroom deal concocted by the ‘Gang of Eight’.

Please call you congress members and tell them to vote NO on this backroom immigration deal.

You’ll find your congress members names and email addresses here as well as a petition to tell Rubio NO

thatsafactjack on April 22, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Did not take all that long for Rubio to go from ‘Rising Conservative Star’ to RINO. Some sort of record perhaps? Good job!

Ukiah on April 22, 2013 at 4:52 PM

These pols don’t get that its wrong to let someone in whose first act is to break our laws. Coming to the US is not a right. Its a privilege. Too many pols forget that.
We have too many low/no-skilled Americans unemployed. Why are we allowing low/no-skilled workers in? If they want immigration so bad, why can’t we be choosy? Why can’t we get English speakers with skills? Why can’t we get immigrants from Europe and India?

Iblis on April 22, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Pro-reform GOP Senate aide: Don’t blame our immigration system for the Tsarnaevs, blame “our society”

Damn slave holders always screwing things up.

xblade on April 22, 2013 at 4:53 PM

“You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.” Abraham Lincoln

thatsafactjack on April 22, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Adam blamed God (for making that thar woman–Eve) Eve blamed God(for making that cute little serpent) and the left (ensconced deeply in both parties) blames America for an attack upon itself.
it’s really quite clear…

Don L on April 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM

The fault here wasn’t our immigration system, since the suspects immigrated legally a decade ago as kids and apparently were radicalized here.

Continuing contact with people from beyond our borders, both in their former homeland region and in the violent anti-American militant Islamist hot beds of their chosen religion had nothing to do with it?

Do any of these guys understand how the Internet works and what a small world this now is?

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM

[libfreeordie on April 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM]

What are you calling Capital? How should I understand that word when you use it? What is it’s definition.

It might be easy to come together on the country’s problems if you quit perverting the language and pointing fingers at bogeymen.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Given the facts, the events in Boston seem unlikely to stoke nativist sentiments that may derail immigration reform.

Really? Because, despite these guys being citizens (I’m still not sure about the one), they are immigrants. And, when you put them next to folks like the Ft Dix plotters, the immigration angle (especially refugee status) starts to loom even larger.

To the contrary, to the extent it renews fears of terrorism, it will strengthen the case for reform, since the bipartisan proposal fixes major gaps in our national security posture

Why not just implement those fixes, then? Do just the fixes, and let’s see what happens. Maybe you can convince me later to do some form of further reform. But, if all these major gaps exist that need fixing, why not just fix them, and leave the amnesty for another day?

GWB on April 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM

This is a really well-written post. The conduct of the GOP members of “the gang” has been reprehensible. They are doing real damage, unbelievable damage. They’ve porked up the bill, offering cornhusker kickback after cornhusker kickback, while calling the base of their party “pro-slavery.” Just disgusting. There is NO daylight between them and DailyKos.

Stick a fork in Rubio. He’s done. After 2008, I decided I would never vote again for anyone I didn’t 100% WANT to vote for. I will never feel that way about Rubio. I don’t think I’m alone.

Rational Thought on April 22, 2013 at 4:58 PM

It seems to me Rubio is one of three things:

1) He’s an idiot and actually thinks that he can make poor, unskilled, Spanish-speaking third-world people into small-government, Republican-voting Constitutional originalists

2) He knows the bill’s a turkey and wants it to fail so he’s inoculated from criticism as a self-hating Hispanic from the left and their allies on the path to the presidency

3) He’s a fraud

crrr6 on April 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

I think he believes, and perhaps rightly so, that all of these new citizens of Hispanic origin will be beholden to him when he runs for President; even if they are Dems. I think he’s banking that he’ll get 90%+ of that vote block personally, and sees nothing beyond that. This is his stepping stone to being President, nothing more.

Midas on April 22, 2013 at 4:59 PM

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