Lindsey Graham: FBI missed Tsarnaev’s trip to Russia because his name was misspelled on the flight manifest

posted at 12:43 pm on April 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

Sounds bad, but look at it from the feds’ perspective: How likely is it that someone would misspell, er, “Tsarnaev”?

If Graham’s right then somehow, twelve years after 9/11, we missed a budding terrorist because of a typo. Aren’t passengers also required to give some sort of identifying number, be it a passport number, a driver’s license, or a SSN, before flying? I want to know which number Tamerlan Tsarnaev gave to Aeroflot. If it was a bona fide ID number and the feds missed it, that’s … very bad. If it was a fake number (and remember, per his Amazon wish list, he had an interest in how to make fake IDs), then that’s a clue that his trip to Dagestan maybe wasn’t for innocent purposes after all. But then, if he didn’t want people knowing he was there, why’d he use his real name? Graham makes it sound in the clip like it was a misspelling, not an alias. Proof that Tamerlan had nothing to hide, or further evidence that he had a moronic streak?

The family’s explanation for why Tamerlan went overseas is because he wanted to visit his father. Does that check out? Let’s ask his aunt:

As attention focuses on Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s 6-month visit to Russia’s restive Caucasus region, an aunt said that – contrary to previous reports – he did not come to Dagestan in order to visit his father.

Tsarnaev left the United States in January 2012 and arrived in Dagestan around March, Patimat Suleimanova said. His father, Anzor Tsarnaev, only arrived in the republic in May.

“He came to become acquainted with [Dagestan],” Suleimanova said. “He would sit at home and pray. He was learning to read the Koran. He saw relatives, friends.”

Ed posted the following this morning but I want to re-post it because it’s a potential blockbuster yet no other media outlets have picked it up. Everyone knows by now that Russia asked the FBI to investigate Tsarnaev in 2011. According to NBC Boston, though, they reached out to the FBI again just last year, based on intelligence they gathered on him in Dagestan — and got no reply:

A police official source in Makhachkala, Dagestan, told NBC News on Sunday that the Russian internal security service reached out to the FBI last November with some questions about Tamerlan, and handed over a copy of case file on him.

Tsarnaev had first popped up on the local police radar in Dagestan last summer, the source said. During routine surveillance of an individual known to be involved in the militant Islamic underground movement, the police witnessed Tamerlan meet the latter at a Salafi mosque in Makhachkala, the police official said.

It was one of six times in total that surveillance officials witnessed Tsarnaev meeting this militant at the same mosque, according to the police official.

The militant contact later disappeared, the police official said, but so did Tsarnaev before investigators had a chance to speak with him. The FBI never responded, according to the Dagestani police official.

Tsarnaev’s meeting with a “militant” is interesting for two reasons. One, obviously, is because it hints at training. Two, less obviously, is that it pinpoints an irony in his motives: For all of his alleged interest in Chechnya, setting off bombs in America is probably counterproductive to the Chechen cause. The country’s opposition leader told Michael Moynihan this morning that the bombings are a “gift” to Putin because they’ll give Moscow international political cover for future crackdowns in the region. Per the Jerusalem Post, Chechen fighters are likely split about the bombings: The global-jihadis among them will cheer any attack on America, but the ones focused more on independence from Russia will worry that this complicates the cause by increasing U.S. cooperation with Putin. Tamerlan apparently fell into the first group, not the second. Otherwise he would have stayed in Dagestan and fought there, right?

Exit question via Gabe Malor and others on Twitter: If the Tsarnaevs were granted asylum due to persecution back home, why did the father return? And why did his son return to visit him?

Update: The aunt’s claiming today that, despite indications to the contrary in Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s YouTube account, he was religious but never a “fanatic.” Good to know. Alternate theory: Maybe he just hated marathons. This is interesting, though:

Suleimanova said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had planned to visit Makhachkala, the Dagestani city where the brothers’ parents live, in May. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev graduated from Cambridge Rindge & Latin High School in 2011 and was enrolled at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth.

Also:

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) asserted Monday that the FBI was unaware of Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s six-month visit to Russia because his name was misspelled. But there were some questions about whether the FBI’s inquiry ever reached a stage at which his name would have been fed into the master database for terrorist and other watchlists.

He wasn’t on a watch list, even though a foreign government contacted the feds about him two years ago specifically to warn about extremism?


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My theory: the family are a bunch of grifters.

Mom steals clothes from a department store. They move all around the Stans, one step ahead of the police, until they settle in a country that allows asylum in the US. They come here, and all hell eventually breaks loose.

I want to know what their asylum app says, whether or not they received welfare when they got here, and why they went back. Ruslan cut off the family. WE should have too.

PattyJ on April 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM

You can’t b!tch about how government officials are grossly overpaid and then turn around blaming them for mediocre work. You get what you pay for jack.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

And they are grossly overpaid for the mediocre (at best) work they do. Man, you are one dumb POS, aren’t you? You’re grossly overpaid for the less-than-mediocre idiot comments you post here. The rest of us should be paid for having to read your drivel.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM

The guy was a green card holder (for some ridiculous reason). The spelling of his name on a flight manifest shouldn’t matter one bit since ICE should have known a green card holder with an id number was leaving the country. To blame any of this on a flight manifest is beyond crazy. ICE (and thus the FBI) depends on flight manifests to track resident aliens’ presence? What a friggin joke.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 22, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Exactly.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM

The problem is the longer they take to “mirandize” the subject and let him have representation; the more this opens this case to judicial and defense attorney shenanigans. They better decide what they are doing quickly and charge him..

melle1228 on April 22, 2013 at 1:18 PM

To be more clear: “mirandizing” him or not in this case is irrelevant because there is enough evidence to convict him even without his own testimony; “mirandizing” only matters if whatever he says will be used against him. Now, treating him, as a US citizen, as an “enemy combatant” open two dangerous problems: 1- a precedent that future US governments could use against any US citizen for any reason, 2- a potential challenge at the SCOTUS. These two senile guys rather focus on the lousy job they did with immigration.

p_incorrect on April 22, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Conservatives love to have their cake and eat it too. You can’t b!tch about how government officials are grossly overpaid and then turn around blaming them for mediocre work. You get what you pay for jack.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I b!tch that there are way to many of them. I’d say let’s cut the government payroll by at least 50 percent. There are entire departments we could get rid of, DOE, DOI, EPA and reduce a few down to a much smaller size, DOJ, IRS. I’ll even throw you a bone. Let’s reduce the DOD by 50 percent and reinstitute the draft. You’re registered, right? You’re in the first lottery.

TulsAmerican on April 22, 2013 at 1:26 PM

You get what you pay for jack.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

You do what they pay you for. You weasel.

portlandon on April 22, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 1:19 PM

And your solution to this problem is to cut their pay just so you can take home an extra $2 in your paycheck correct? Good luck finding competent government officials when your goal is to demonize them and cut their pay.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Good luck finding competent government officials when your goal is to demonize them and cut their pay.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Compared to what we have now, no government would be an improvement.

BobMbx on April 22, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Billions and billions of dollars spent by DHS and TSA…

And they can’t spell?

Our national security now depends on having employees who graduated middle school?

The idiots are indeed in charge.

coldwarrior on April 22, 2013 at 12:47 PM

They did graduate, but that don’t mean they can read good.

redzap on April 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Typo? That explains why the DHS Pipe Bands buckles read “DHS Pipe Bomb”.

Dems/liberals win big.

gumbyandpokey on April 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM

rogerb on April 22, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Gumbyandpokey deserve 1 point for getting the “white” part right. Probably came as quite a shock to gum that there is a white race of Muslims.

BL@KBIRD on April 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

The entire gov’t is corrupt and incompetent, from Obama on down.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 1:31 PM

his name was misspelled

It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, but isn’t this the premise of the movie
“Brazil”?

When life starts immitating a Terry Gilliam movie, i’ts all over.

MichaelGabriel on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

The guy was a green card holder (for some ridiculous reason). The spelling of his name on a flight manifest shouldn’t matter one bit since ICE should have known a green card holder with an id number was leaving the country. To blame any of this on a flight manifest is beyond crazy. ICE (and thus the FBI) depends on flight manifests to track resident aliens’ presence? What a friggin joke.

The feral government couldn’t track a snail. Or they won’t. Not an alien one, at least. They’ll track the every move of an American citizen, though – one actually born and raised in America. Those that they naturalize for no good reason and have no attachment or love for this nation … they’re free to do anything along with the illegals the feral government works for.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 22, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Absolutely correct, I was a green card holder for 6 years before I became a citizen, and yes, as a permanent resident, the border agents don’t give a damn about your passport from your country of origin, all the info they need and care about (including biometric data) is encoded on your permanent resident card, and that card and the info on it is the only trail the FBI should have followed in is dude’s case. The flight manifesto more likely would have the name and passport number of each person in their records, true, but FBI and the rest of agencies involved , ICE et, go by the permanent resident’s card no and info, and not the passport issued by the subject’s country of origin.

jimver on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Holder will not call for the death penalty.

The dude voted for Obama, and was thanked by Obama for doing so.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Boy is Anderson and msdnc wing nuts pushing the kid was really nice and was brainwashed

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

PattyJ on April 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Apparently they were living on the govt teat quite well…

Getting an education, food stamps, housing subsidy most likely and obama phones… They had scholarships…

The People of Boston were supporting them…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Who put the wrong day and year down on a visit to Westminster Abbey.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Haven’t heard about this one. Got a link?

cptacek on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Conservatives love to have their cake and eat it too. You can’t b!tch about how government officials are grossly overpaid and then turn around blaming them for mediocre work. You get what you pay for jack.

[HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM]

Not in monopolized systems. Only in competitive systems do the two — ‘get what’ and ‘pay for’ — work in sync.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 1:33 PM

his name was misspelled

It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, but isn’t this the premise of the movie
“Brazil”?

When life starts immitating a Terry Gilliam movie, i’ts all over.

MichaelGabriel on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

:) yepper, stranger than fiction :) or life imitates art :)

jimver on April 22, 2013 at 1:34 PM

jimver on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Exactly, they glanced at my passport, but scanned my Permanant Resident Alien card…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Good grief.

I am starting to think some unknown person holds vital info on Graham.

[ok, tin foil hat off]

Is Graham always like this, or is it gradual onset of some illness?

Sir Napsalot on April 22, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Good luck finding competent government officials when your goal is to demonize them and cut their pay.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:27 PM

I don’t want competent government officials. I want my Constitutionally limited government that can’t cause too many problems with the inevitably incompetent people who are going to populate it. I want a government that enforces our current law instead of working for aliens and then arguing that our law can’t be enforced. I want a government whose executive branch isn’t headed by an ineligible Indonesian Dog-Eating retard who breaks every law he comes across. I want people like you to leave and move to a country more to your liking (any other country is better, by your claims, than evil America) and leaving me and my life alone.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 22, 2013 at 1:36 PM

And if Graham is correct, the terrorist watch list is fairly useless.

“Tsarnaev” couldn’t have been THE ONLY hard to spell name, I’d think.

Sir Napsalot on April 22, 2013 at 1:38 PM

O.K., which one of you D-Bag Leftists is Jim
from Spokane, WA. who just called into Rush saying the
Bombers were bullied, and that’s why they did this??

ToddPA on April 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM

My head spins at all the chicanery that is on-going…

When will the truth be told!

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Here’s the scary part: I fear we will never know the truth, especially with this administration.

MustLoveBlogs on April 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Typo? That explains why the DHS Pipe Bands buckles read “DHS Pipe Bomb”.

Dems/liberals win big.

gumbyandpokey on April 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM

rogerb on April 22, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Gumbyandpokey deserve 1 point for getting the “white” part right. Probably came as quite a shock to gum that there is a white race of Muslims.

BL@KBIRD on April 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Albanians, Bosnian, Chechen Muslims for sure – and even some Turkish, Syrian and Lebanese Muslims can be as white as you, me and, I suspect, gumbey :)

jimver on April 22, 2013 at 1:41 PM

ToddPA on April 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Lol I heard that too!

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Haven’t heard about this one. Got a link?

cptacek on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM

MustLoveBlogs on April 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM

I was sorely disappointed with Becks’ expose…

Most of what he said was already known and talked about here…

I wanted the somthing he promised, about a very very bad bad bad man that would TAKE DOWN this administration…

Le Sigh

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 1:45 PM

My theory: the family are a bunch of grifters.

Mom steals clothes from a department store. They move all around the Stans, one step ahead of the police, until they settle in a country that allows asylum in the US. They come here, and all hell eventually breaks loose.

I want to know what their asylum app says, whether or not they received welfare when they got here, and why they went back. Ruslan cut off the family. WE should have too.

PattyJ on April 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Lol, nice. Also, Boston-istan? Sounds about right.

LaughterJones on April 22, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM

There are some ‘arabic’ looking squiggles in 0′s signature…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 1:47 PM

BL@KBIRD on April 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

 
Albanians, Bosnian, Chechen Muslims for sure – and even some Turkish, Syrian and Lebanese Muslims can be as white as you, me and, I suspect, gumbey :)
 
jimver on April 22, 2013 at 1:41 PM

 
The funny part is how this emphasized the inherent bigotry of the leftist mindset.
 
The excitement over the brothers being white was obvious, and I’d imagine it came as a shock to quite a few of our (and other) Obama voters that not-brown people could somehow be Muslims.

rogerb on April 22, 2013 at 1:48 PM

ToddPA on April 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Lol I heard that too!

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 1:42 PM

I like to think that call was satirical, because the fellow and Rush were both laughing at the end, but it will absolutely be one of the favored lines of the seek-the-root-causes-anything-to-blame-Amerika-first crowd.

Drained Brain on April 22, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) asserted Monday that the FBI was unaware of Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s six-month visit to Russia because his name was misspelled.

I assume this is where we found this out and Graham actually specified the flight manifest, because that little detail is absent here.

Anyway, how does that explain the FBI still missing it after Russian authorities reported to the FBI the trip just six months ago?

I haven’t heard any confirmation from our side that the Russian authorities contacted us six months ago. Was that a lie by the Russians? Or are authorities covering up some major screw-up on their part?

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 1:48 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 22, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Evidenced by last November and possibly Hillary’s shoo-in’s presidency in 2016, perhaps you and your kind should be the ones moving out of my country.

Americans who agree with my ideology outnumber your kind. My team always and I mean always wins when Americans come out in great numbers to vote. Fringe conservatism is a loser. Get it bro?

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

You are probably absolutely correct, you guys win, the country snowballs into decline and guess who will be still standing while the rest of you wait for the government to help you? The so called fringe.

Cindy Munford on April 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

No, HAL. They don’t. Liberals still only number 21% of the US population.

kingsjester on April 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Mz Lindsey is obfuscating…

Wetting his panties ;-D

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 1:56 PM

He wasn’t on a watch list, even though a foreign government contacted the feds about him two years ago specifically to warn about extremism?

Can you imagine if this happened on McLame’s watch or Romney’s if either would have won?

I can and it isn’t pretty. But neither was Benghazi and here we are.

kim roy on April 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Fool, charlatanry can only be funded so long as there are fools willing to work for nothing. The dough will run out. See the disasters in Europe and Japan.

You are way dumber than assumed.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

No, HAL. They don’t. Liberals still only number 21% of the US population.
kingsjester on April 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Lololol. That’s why Obama got 21% of the vote last November right?

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Rush (In Rev. Wright voice):

“Obama’s Chechens have come home to roost”

Heh.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on April 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a resident alien. Begs the question as to what kind of a passport he used to travel to Russia.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Of course. He had a Russian passport at that time, and a Green Card. To enter Russia, or get a Visa, he would not have presented his Green Card, it means nothing to Russian Immigration. He only used the Green Card to get back into the USA.

He could have used his Russian passport or his Green Card or a Driver’s License as ID to buy the ticket. Ditto getting through TSA security at Kennedy, outgoing.

Being that it was an old Russian passport, it would not be the electronic kind.

If a Green Card holder leaves the USA for X-months, the Green Card technically has to be surrendered. I believe that X=6 months; anyone know? If so that’s why he limited his trip to (a day less than) six months.

Anyone know what alphabet is used on Russian passports? That may explain variable spellings.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Good luck finding competent government officials when your goal is to demonize them and cut their pay.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:27 PM

I don’t want competent government officials. I want my Constitutionally limited government that can’t cause too many problems with the inevitably incompetent people who are going to populate it. I want a government that enforces our current law instead of working for aliens and then arguing that our law can’t be enforced. I want a government whose executive branch isn’t headed by an ineligible Indonesian Dog-Eating retard who breaks every law he comes across. I want people like you to leave and move to a country more to your liking (any other country is better, by your claims, than evil America) and leaving me and my life alone.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 22, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Couple of things:

Pair, you are talking to a stump. Nice of you to try, tho.

And HAL, if people can’t have the f-ing pride to do their job correctly, be worth the money AND protect the country, then maybe they should move on. There are probably a dozen people who would actually want the job and do it well and PROBABLY WOULDN’T BE DEMONIZED BECAUSE THEY’D BE COMPETENT.

As usual, the idiot liberals look at everything as “what’s in it for me and if I don’t get enough everyone’s gonna suffer”. Typical liberal self-indulgent BS.

It’s a funny thing. Every time I wonder if I’m too harsh in my assessment of liberals all I need to do is come here and read the idiotic meandering of our liberal friends. So thank you for that at least.

kim roy on April 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Americans who agree with my ideology outnumber your kind. My team always and I mean always wins when Americans come out in great numbers to vote. Fringe conservatism is a loser. Get it bro?
 
HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

 
I’m with HotAirLIb on this, and it’s easily proven. All you have to do is note their successes wherever same sex marriage and across-the-board tax increases are on the ballot.

rogerb on April 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Lololol. That’s why Obama got 21% of the vote last November right?

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

LOL. Independents vote, too, So, do spineless Moders like McLame and Grahamnesty.

Please show me a Gallup poll to back your b.s. claims up.

kingsjester on April 22, 2013 at 2:05 PM

No, HAL. They don’t. Liberals still only number 21% of the US population.
kingsjester on April 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Lololol. That’s why Obama got 21% of the vote last November right?

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

No. It just means we underestimated how many braindead morons are out there.

kim roy on April 22, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Gosh, they want the body of the dead brother “back to Russia to be burried”.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 2:06 PM

My theory: the family are a bunch of grifters.

Mom steals clothes from a department store. They move all around the Stans, one step ahead of the police, until they settle in a country that allows asylum in the US. They come here, and all hell eventually breaks loose.

I want to know what their asylum app says, whether or not they received welfare when they got here, and why they went back. Ruslan cut off the family. WE should have too.

PattyJ on April 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM

A poster on the weekend posted a long list of benefits available to someone in the Political Refugee Immigrant program.

Yes, they were surely on benefits for many years in the USA. Maybe still, who knows.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 2:06 PM

May all who voted for Obama, twice, all, from the left to the right, incl. those who enabled bringing/keeping him, be utterly destroyed by him. YOU deserve NO less. The .0001%r will destroy all you hold dear, and it couldn’t happen to a ‘nicer’ bunch. It doesn’t matter what party you’re in.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 2:08 PM

No, HAL. They don’t. Liberals still only number 21% of the US population.
kingsjester on April 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Lololol. That’s why Obama got 21% of the vote last November right?

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Quite possibly the Dumbest Effing post ever logged into
this website…the scary part for all of us is that YOU vote.

ToddPA on April 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

OT: WH says that the terrorist will be tried in Federal court and not as an enemy combatant…I’m sure Eric Holder will take a personal interest in protecting this guys rights.

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Absolutely correct, I was a green card holder for 6 years before I became a citizen, and yes, as a permanent resident, the border agents don’t give a damn about your passport from your country of origin, all the info they need and care about (including biometric data) is encoded on your permanent resident card, and that card and the info on it is the only trail the FBI should have followed in is dude’s case. The flight manifesto more likely would have the name and passport number of each person in their records, true, but FBI and the rest of agencies involved , ICE et, go by the permanent resident’s card no and info, and not the passport issued by the subject’s country of origin.

jimver on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

US customs and immigration doesn’t care much about those leaving the US. The only way his name might have popped up in FBI or ICE is if he was on some kind of watchlist.

As you found, you use the Green Card to get back into the US only. You use your old country X passport for visits to countries other than the USA.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

O.K., which one of you D-Bag Leftists is Jim
from Spokane, WA. who just called into Rush saying the
Bombers were bullied, and that’s why they did this??

ToddPA on April 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Lol :) only hole in that ‘theory’ is that the elder D-bag, currently somwhere in Hades, was a boxer, training from early childhood, who on earth would bully a boxer :) also, judging by this pic here he looks pretty well adjusted to me, complete with driving the Mercedes and the cool scarf look (that would make most Parisian men green with envy :) and all. And btw, so far I haven’t heard a single report mentioning that he’s ever held a job in this country. Besides, , he seems as narcissistic and in love with himself as the liar in chief, judging by that scarf pic that he was taking of himself with the purposes of tweeting it to the world :)…nope, doesn’t look like the textbook ‘bullied’ kid turned young adult to me :) .

jimver on April 22, 2013 at 2:12 PM

rogerb on April 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I am actually for no tax increases on anyone including the 1%. I am also for no benefit cuts to social security and medicare recipients. And I am for heavy government spending on our infrastructures and on job training programs to aid poor people in finding jobs that get them off welfare.

Because we all know a vast majority of these people only want a helping hand and not a handout. Although there are quite a few who abuse these welfare programs.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

O.K., which one of you D-Bag Leftists is Jim
from Spokane, WA. who just called into Rush saying the
Bombers were bullied, and that’s why they did this??

ToddPA on April 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM

That’s kinda funny. Speedbump was a Golden Gloves boxer, and baby bro was captain of the wrestling team. These aren’t exactly guys who get bullied. If anything, they are probably the types who could be bullies. Leftists are brain-dead. Unfortunately, there’s no plug to pull.

joejm65 on April 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

US customs and immigration doesn’t care much about those leaving the US. The only way his name might have popped up in FBI or ICE is if he was on some kind of watchlist.

As you found, you use the Green Card to get back into the US only. You use your old country X passport for visits to countries other than the USA.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

If he wasn’t on some kind os a watchlist why is FBI coming up with this BS story that the reason they lost track of his whereabouts that summer was coz they misspelled his name in his flight records etc. only logical explanation was that he was a person of interest and that if say, had his name been entered correctly (although I call BS on that story) the FBI wouldn’t have failed that epically.

jimver on April 22, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Aren’t passengers also required to give some sort of identifying number, be it a passport number, a driver’s license, or a SSN, before flying?

One would think, precisely because of name misspellings and typos and because so many people can share the same name. Names are not unique. Identifying numbers are supposed to be unique, especially when combined with some other piece of identifying information.

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Billions and billions of dollars spent by DHS and TSA…
And they can’t spell?
Our national security now depends on having employees who graduated middle school?
The idiots are indeed in charge.

coldwarrior on April 22, 2013 at 12:47 PM

My first reaction was – if his name was misspelled on the manifest, then it didn’t match his passport or ticket.
So how did they let him through security or on the plane?

dentarthurdent on April 22, 2013 at 2:27 PM

So how did this Islamic, Terrorist, Illegal gun totin, Jihadi spell his name,Bill Miller?
Any chance that if McStain misspells his they will deport him to Whogivesachitistan?

ConcealedKerry on April 22, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Although there are quite a few who abuse these welfare programs.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

I have factual info that some collect a welfare check from 8 different sources, monthly…because the computers don’t track.

They won’t go to work. It pays too little.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Never mind. Move along, we MUST return to the immigration bill and the gun bill. Nothing happened here.

That mis spelling: Get to the bottom of it and FIRE someone. They hire too many people because their name is the next one on the list. In government work it is unfair to ask if you are qualified, they have to give the job to someone no one else wants to work with. Ask anyone you know with a government job…

Fleuries on April 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM

OT: WH says that the terrorist will be tried in Federal court and not as an enemy combatant…I’m sure Eric Holder will take a personal interest in protecting this guys rights.

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Holder will not put a guy who voted for Obama on the death penalty track.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I missed what he said, but it doesn’t surprise me that it was apparently a big nothingburger. Depressing.

MustLoveBlogs on April 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Aren’t passengers also required to give some sort of identifying number, be it a passport number, a driver’s license, or a SSN, before flying?

One would think, precisely because of name misspellings and typos and because so many people can share the same name. Names are not unique. Identifying numbers are supposed to be unique, especially when combined with some other piece of identifying information.

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM

There’s a second factor here, -the airline liability. The airline will ask for proof of citizenship in the country of destination, sometimes right at the departure gate, because if they take you to country X and country X immigration bounces you, the airline may be liable for your return trip.

Those airline records might not necessarily be accessed by the federal government, though they certainly would be able to.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 2:34 PM

…the bombings are a “gift” to Putin because they’ll give Moscow international political cover for future crackdowns in the region.

Assuming Putin and the Russians think they need such “political cover” and that the lack of it inhibits their actions.

Color me extremely skeptical, to the point of disbelief. My guess is that at best it saves them from the mild annoyance of condemnation and criticism.

Americans, especially the libs and lefties, greatly overestimate the importance of “international opinion”. Most of the rest of the world does not concern themselves about it, because it is usually substantively meaningless unless it results in a foreign aid cut off.

The French do what is in their interest and do not care about international opinion, or the opinion of anyone else. They seem to take pride in this. And it hasn’t hurt them a bit.

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Although there are quite a few who abuse these welfare programs.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

I have factual info that some collect a welfare check from 8 different sources, monthly…because the computers don’t track.

They won’t go to work. It pays too little.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 2:30 PM

This is common, foodstamps, welfare and other programs going to multiple identities that end up being the same person.

Once you’re registered to vote in all those identities, why not use them for bennies too¿

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 2:36 PM

My team always and I mean always wins when Americans come out in great numbers to vote.
 
HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

 

…All you have to do is note their successes wherever same sex marriage and across-the-board tax increases are on the ballot.
 
rogerb on April 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM

 
I am actually for…
 
HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

 
Yikes. You didn’t realize I was making fun of your post.
 
Nicely done. Read it again. Slower.
 
No, probably slower than that. Come to think of it, learning more about the issues may help, too.
 

Because we all know a vast majority of these people only want a helping hand and not a handout.
 
HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

 
Don’t give us nonsensical platitudes and try to tell us what we all know. Cite your source.

rogerb on April 22, 2013 at 2:38 PM

TSA and Homeland Security are incompetent. Who knew?

GarandFan on April 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Good luck finding competent government officials when your goal is to demonize them and cut their pay.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Surely you don’t mean these salaries? which are much higher than civilian equivalent jobs.

Egfrow on April 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Conservatives love to have their cake and eat it too. You can’t b!tch about how government officials are grossly overpaid and then turn around blaming them for mediocre work. You get what you pay for jack.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Stupid troll.

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Lindsey Graham lib reads to near Obamas butt crack for me.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Let’s forensically analyze the Travel Document. Heck, the Administration forged a Birth Certificate – they can certainly forge a letter on a Document.

ashiya on April 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Stupid troll.

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM

… you are constantly trying to reason with the ultra fringe crazies on this blog… do not waste your time trying to engage these fools… most are fringe crazies… one or two of them …haven’t ventured into insane land.

HotAirLib on April 20, 2013 at 5:15 PM

You don’t change minds hauling personal insults with those you disagree with.

HotAirLib on April 20, 2013 at 6:44 PM

lololol if you think my goal here is to change minds.

HotAirLib on April 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

TSA and Homeland Security are incompetent. Who knew?

GarandFan on April 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

FBI is incompetent too. All agencies let the people down, from Obama to the lowest blood suckers.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

HotAirLib,

You gonna like the photo opp of Sir Golfsalot down here in Texas hugging war monger George Bush and pushing old man Bush around in his wheel chair.

Love to ya from down Texas way.

Something for your photo all-bum of your unpresident obamoa

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Exit question via Gabe Malor and others on Twitter: If the Tsarnaevs were granted asylum due to persecution back home, why did the father return? And why did his son return to visit him?

Very simple – because most refugees today aren’t real refugees. You can find so-called refugees from Iraq, Afghanistan etc going back regularly to visit family.

Phoenician on April 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Conservatives love to have their cake and eat it too. You can’t b!tch about how government officials are grossly overpaid and then turn around blaming them for mediocre work. You get what you pay for jack.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

That doesn’t even make sense. We’re not getting what we paid for. It’s not inconsistent to complain about overpaying for mediocre work. In fact, it’s worse than mediocre. It’s inept, negligent and frequently worthless.

Perhaps you are accustomed to ineptitude and failure. Union official?

cheeflo on April 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Lindsey Graham: FBI missed Tsarnaev’s trip to Russia because his name was misspelled on the flight manifest

Keystone Kops Flop.

rukiddingme on April 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Holder will not call for the death penalty.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Prediction: When Holder is done with him, Holder hands him over to Massachusetts to prosecute. Therefore, no death penalty.

Carnac on April 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Because we all know a vast majority of these people only want a helping hand and not a handout. Although there are quite a few who abuse these welfare programs.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

We do?

Do you even know anyone on welfare?

I do, quite a few, and the only topic of conversation among most of them is how to keep the tap flowing. I’m on SSD, from two separate sets of spine fractures, 4 vertebrae in 91, 7 in 04. I’ve had a complete cervical reconstruction, my neck fused from C3 to T1, I have advanced osteoarthritis of the spine, and have difficulty standing for any length of time. I’m on narcotic pain meds, and will be for life to allow me some semblance of relief from bone wracking pain that never completely goes away, I was accepted first try, and never saw one of their doctors, they merely signed off on the medical records submitted..

and the universal response I get from a lot of these people?

GOD you’re so LUCKY.. wish I could get a disability…

I’d give up a limb to not have these problems and just go back to work.

At the lower end of the working poor, there is a lot of contact with welfare recipients. A certain few are shamed by it, and will move on… many if not most see it as a low paying life time vacation. This is a fact of life, people will often take the path of least resistance and if they don’t have to work and get free money, they won’t.

and on top of that Obama is simply passing people into disability, unquestioned because it puts more people on the dependency list, people he thinks can be scared into voting D to save them from the evil republicans..

and you know it..

I’m sick of feeling ashamed just because I was maimed at work.

It never used to be that way, disabled people were never assumed to be grifting the system, they however, have done it so much, people are never sure who’s really qualified for it, and who’s just gaming the system.

A fact of life liberals utterly ignore, because it manufactures them votes.

mark81150 on April 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Conservatives love to have their cake and eat it too. You can’t b!tch about how government officials are grossly overpaid and then turn around blaming them for mediocre work. You get what you pay for jack.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Stupid troll.

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Grossly overcompensated = competent in Hotlip’s world.

I guess that means Trump should be President.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 3:18 PM

The FSB has a track record of exploiting crises… it is, essentially, how they were able to get so many of their people into power in a relatively short period of time. It is worth your time to see a documentary about how that sort of thing works.

ajacksonian on April 22, 2013 at 3:27 PM

You get what you pay for jack.

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

And sometimes you pay too much and get ripped-off in a bait & switch scheme, or you get junk instead of the high quality stuff that was advertised….

dentarthurdent on April 22, 2013 at 3:33 PM

The excitement over the brothers being white was obvious, and I’d imagine it came as a shock to quite a few of our (and other) Obama voters that not-brown people could somehow be Muslims.

rogerb on April 22, 2013 at 1:48 PM

stereotypical minds are almost always easily shocked :)

jimver on April 22, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Grossly overcompensated = competent in Hotlip’s world.

I guess that means Trump should be President.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 3:18 PM

That post by Hotlips HAL, the incoherent and clueless troll, was so wrong and so stupid in so many ways it could take a thousand word post to cover it all.

But why bother? After all…HAL isn’t really interested.

… you are constantly trying to reason with the ultra fringe crazies on this blog… do not waste your time trying to engage these fools… most are fringe crazies… one or two of them …haven’t ventured into insane land.

HotAirLib on April 20, 2013 at 5:15 PM

lololol if you think my goal here is to change minds.

HotAirLib on April 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM

farsighted on April 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM

If a Green Card holder leaves the USA for X-months, the Green Card technically has to be surrendered. I believe that X=6 months; anyone know? If so that’s why he limited his trip to (a day less than) six months.

Anyone know what alphabet is used on Russian passports? That may explain variable spellings.

slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 2:02 PM

I think in most people’s case, yes, it’s 6 months. I know because I had my US permanent resident card for about 5 years while living in the UK (my wife’s duty station was there) and I think it said in the instructions I received from IUSCIS, that youI can’t be away from US for more an 6 months. In the case of military spouses who happen to be holders of permanent resident cards and who are stationed abroad – the govt waived the obligation of entering every six months, but you have to show the immigration officials at he border your military spouses’s PCS paperwork. I didn’t have that problem, because we were coming to he US twice or three times a year anyways to visit my wife’s family.

jimver on April 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

USCIS that is

jimver on April 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM

HotAirLib on April 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Non sequitur

SparkPlug on April 22, 2013 at 5:06 PM

I’m sorry, I’m going to have to throw the yellow flag and call “bullhockey” on this one. Already DHS is saying they didn’t give “Roadkill” as I know call the older brother his citizenship because of the FBI file.

Further, the FBI says it missed it. Yet, part of the application for citizenship is that the applicant stay in the US for three years, marry a US citizen (the reason for him marrying the girl?) and he can’t leave the country for six month or longer.

So, it begs the question did he list his trip on an application? DID DHS check his passport? It is a requirement. And TSA is part of DHS.

If so, then DHS had the FBI file saying Russia thinks he’s a bad guy AND the trip abroad- which is frankly so stereotypical of how home grown terrorist behave it is almost text book.

So what happened? Congress can’t act all squishy on this one. And there is not going to be any Hillary “what difference does it make?” moment either.

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2013/04/22/rut-ro-congress-is-looking-for-the-fbi-file-on-the-brothers/

archer52 on April 22, 2013 at 6:04 PM

I’m sick of feeling ashamed just because I was maimed at work.

It never used to be that way, disabled people were never assumed to be grifting the system, they however, have done it so much, people are never sure who’s really qualified for it, and who’s just gaming the system.

A fact of life liberals utterly ignore, because it manufactures them votes.

mark81150 on April 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM

If more people had your viewpoint and integrity, the welfare system would be just big enough to provide for those truly in need, no one would be growing up as a government dependent, and America as a nation could well afford the costs.
However,
IF there is a system, it will be gamed.

AesopFan on April 22, 2013 at 7:15 PM

This whole thing is starting to stink with the same reek of INCOMPETENCE as Benghazi. Every day it seems, we hear about another missed opportunity or botched job. It’s disgraceful.

Murf76 on April 22, 2013 at 7:58 PM

IF there is a system, it will be gamed.

AesopFan on April 22, 2013 at 7:15 PM

In a couple of years my medical issues should reach what’s called final resolution, where further surgery won’t help..

I hope then, to ask the VA for help in going to college,.

I’ll never make my living unloading trucks again, stocking shelves.. maybe, I can teach.. I always wanted to, if they’ll accept I can’t move furniture,.. maybe I can work again someday..

mark81150 on April 22, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Is this the same Lyndsey Grahamnesty? Wanted for allowing millions of illegals into the US. Or is that a mis-spelling?

Who knew you can defeat US security by mis-spelling your name!

virgo on April 23, 2013 at 2:54 AM

The reason that Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s name was not on the watch list is that there is a limit to the number of names it can contain and with all of the Evangelical Christians and veterans Janet Napolitano has been listing some of the Muslim entries had to be deleted.

Nomas on April 23, 2013 at 6:48 AM

So all done, eh HAL?
 
Say, have you met bayam? I think you two would get along great. You seem to have a lot in common.

rogerb on April 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM

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