CBS: US considering retaliation for China hacking

posted at 10:41 am on April 22, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Is the US about to get tough with China? The Wall Street Journal reports that the Obama administration has “carefully choreographed” a get-tough plan against China for its hacking activities in both the commercial and military spheres. CBS also reports on US irritation over China’s cyberwarfare activities:

The WSJ says the White House is considering a “raft of options” for response:

The Obama administration is considering a raft of options to more aggressively confront China over cyberspying, officials say, a potentially rapid escalation of a conflict the White House has only recently acknowledged.

Options include trade sanctions, diplomatic pressure, indictments of Chinese nationals in U.S. courts and cyber countermeasures—both attack and defense, officials said.

Officials said such a counterpunch, while likely not imminent, would be the natural culmination of a carefully choreographed escalation of warnings in recent weeks from President Barack Obama and top administration officials. The escalation was launched with a secret démarche, or formal diplomatic protest, to the Chinese government in January, officials said.

It’s not just the Chinese, either, that have gotten the attention of cyberwarriors in the Obama administration:

The decision to go on the attack offers further evidence that cyberwarfare has become a central element of diplomacy. Other examples include what U.S. officials say were Iranian-sponsored cyberattacks on U.S. banks and assaults on South Korean companies, blamed by Seoul on North Korea. Iran and North Korea have denied any role in the attacks.

Going on offense against Iran and North Korea are no-brainers. In the former case, we arguably have already done so with Stuxnet and other sabotage aimed at crippling Tehran’s ability to produce weapons-grade fissile material, or at least slowing their pursuit of it. However, that may be a problem when it comes to China, choreography aside. Beijing is still our dance partner when it comes to North Korea, which has moved short-range missiles into position for a new test.  We could perhaps use the embarrassment of exposure to push China into tightening the leash on Pyongyang, but a public trade war or diplomatic break will mean the end of any attempt to isolate the Kim regime, with the security issues that result from failure there.

It’s a delicate dance indeed.  The results depend on which nation sees the most value in continued trade and diplomatic development — but if those were concerns for Beijing, they probably wouldn’t have launched a years-long cyber war against the US in the first place.

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I’ll believe it when I see it…

OmahaConservative on April 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

How do you say, “Oh, I’m scared” in Mandarin?

CrazyGene on April 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

So Obama will get tough on China…Merkel takes over Europe.

Interesting monday…

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Uh huh, and then China refuses to export any more of their high-end dog meat and the White House folds.

Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 10:49 AM

LOL. Under Obama? With our entire nation indebted to them?

Tell me another one!

MelonCollie on April 22, 2013 at 10:50 AM

the Obama administration has “carefully choreographed”

Oh, so they are going to dance around the issue?

Limerick on April 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Beijing is still our dance partner when it comes to

the US propping up our economy with trillions of fiat dollars printed out of thin air.

FIFY.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on April 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM

How do you say, “Oh, I’m scared” in Mandarin?

CrazyGene on April 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

It sound something like “Yu so funy”.

VegasRick on April 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Yeh. Sure. Like this.

Shy Guy on April 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM

How to look tough without actually being tough, by Barack Obama.

Ward Cleaver on April 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM

LOL of the week.
Guessing it will be that Barry will only bow down half as far next time he meets the leader of China.

albill on April 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM

It sound something like “Yu so funy”.

VegasRick on April 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Or maybe “Wai Yu Ly Yin”.

MelonCollie on April 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Lord knows we have ourselves right where they want us.
.
We’ll really show those Chinese what America isn’t made of.

listens2glenn on April 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM

The United States is fully capable of responding with much greater ferocity than the Chinese could ever muster. We do have a capitalist system here, and all the Government need do is to let an RFP for a botnet of Chinese computers.

Given that much of China’s infrastructure is actually more modern that that of the United States, the level of computer control of that infrastructure is far greater than here. They are far more vulnerable to infrastructure attacks.

The goal is to mitigate the economic gains the Chinese see by attacking us — by attempting to steal our data — by equivalent damage to the Chinese economy by whatever means we choose.

It’s a no-brainer to see that, for very little money spent, we could mano-a-mano against China and win.

For those who are thinking of the Great Firewall — it’s not designed to prevent an infrastructure attack of the type a real war would entail — only completely severing the Internet into subnets could provide any form of protection to the inhabitants of those subnets. Any connection can be subverted. Only physical separation is the correct security response.

unclesmrgol on April 22, 2013 at 11:04 AM

OT: Has Glenn Beck said anything yet?

OmahaConservative on April 22, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Beijing is still our dance partner when it comes to North Korea,

Huh? North Korea is China’s pet. North Korea merely carries out Chinese policy under a different brand name. Same policy, though. The minute the Norks did something China didn’t like, that would be it.

This is almost as funny as those who claim that China is scared of being overrun by Norks crossing the border, as if China would ever have a problem stopping people at its border that it doesn’t want. They didn’t call the Great Wall of China “The World’s Longest Cemetery” for no reason – and that was for the Chinese forced to build it, not unarmed foreigners trying to force their way into China.

As to Barky and his junta hitting China in any way …. LOL. This adminstration and the America-hating lefties idolize China. They still wish to emulate the commies and have been doing a damn good job at it, so far.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 22, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Careful Bam, if the Chinese cut up your credit cards it’s going to be a bit tougher paying for that Liberal Utopia of yours.

Ukiah on April 22, 2013 at 11:08 AM

So Obama will get tough on China…Merkel takes over Europe.

Interesting monday…

workingclass artist on April 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM


The question is who else in Europe is willing to hand over their liberties to the next iteration of the German Reich?

Wo ist die Gemuetlichkeit?

It’s more than interesting that when we get weak Der Deutschen Bundesregierung starts getting too big for their britches.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on April 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Retaliation = next time, Obama’s bow will be half as deep?

ElectricPhase on April 22, 2013 at 11:14 AM

You’llllllll neverrr seeeee meeeee cominnnnnnng…..

LaughterJones on April 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM

The results depend on which nation sees the most value in continued trade and diplomatic development —

Um. I think that soul has been sold.

Axe on April 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM

An appropriate Hack would be to have all chinese computers play Obama speeches 24/7 for a whole week.

They’d surrender by the 3rd day.

portlandon on April 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM

We’ll really show those Chinese what America isn’t made of.

listens2glenn on April 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Whoa. Nice turn of phrase there.

Now go listen to Glenn and bring back news so I can turn this one off and go use that one to make money.

Axe on April 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM

I’ll try and have a link by supper time, to the pertinent portion of his radio broadcast, from this morning.

listens2glenn on April 22, 2013 at 11:23 AM

OT/

Beck proceeded to highlight the background of the Saudi national first identified as a “person of interest” in the Boston bombings, Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi, noting that the the NTC issued an event file calling for his deportation using section 212, 3B which is proven terrorist activity.

“We are not sure who actually tagged him as a ’212 3B,’ but we know it is very difficult to charge someone with this — it has to be almost certain,” Beck explained. “It is the equivalent in civil society of charging someone with premeditated murder and seeking the death penalty — it is not thrown around lightly.”

Beck continued, noting that after Secretary of State John Kerry met with Saudi Foreign Minister Saud on Tuesday, the FBI began backtracking on the Saudi national from suspect, to person of interest, to witness, to victim, to nobody.

Then, on Wednesday, President Obama had a “chance” encounter with Saudi Foreign Minister Saud and Saudi Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir.

“Wednesday at 5:35 p.m. the file is altered,” Beck said. “This is unheard of, this is impossible in the timeline due to the severity of the charge….You don’t one day put a 212 3B charge against somebody with deportation, and then the next day take it off. It would require too much to do it.”

“There are only two people that could revoke the deportation order — the director of the NTC could do it after speaking with each department, the FBI, the ATC, etc. — which is impossible to do in such a short period of time, — or, somebody at the very highest levels of the State Department could do it. We don’t have any evidence to tell you which one did it,” Beck said.

dude.

Axe on April 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Axe on April 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Dude. Kerry is about to get rolled? Serious charges if true.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on April 22, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Dude. Kerry is about to get rolled? Serious charges if true.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on April 22, 2013 at 11:29 AM

. . . it’s just that if it has too many moving parts, its not interesting. That seems to be the calculus. Holder should be in prison, in other words . . . I dunno.

He can’t pin it on Kerry directly. It look like he’s trying to, though. :)

We don’t have any evidence to tell you which one did it,” Beck said.

i.e., “we’re digging here.” :)

//sorry, don’t mean to hijack.

Axe on April 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM

CBS: US considering retaliation for China hacking

The Wall Street Journal reports that the Obama administration has “carefully choreographed” a get-tough plan against China for its hacking activities in both the commercial and military spheres.

What, is Obama going to send them a bad Beyonce video set to the lyrics of Jay-Z blaming Amerikkka?

dominigan on April 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

How do you say, “Oh, I’m scared” in Mandarin?

CrazyGene on April 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

That is exactly why Gene Huntsman should have been our president.

trs on April 22, 2013 at 12:22 PM

你所有的基地都屬於我們
(All your base are belong to us)

Panther on April 22, 2013 at 12:26 PM

ABOUT FREAKING TIME! I would inform China that any Cyber ATTACK would be considered the same thing as if china physically, militarily attacked the United States and that we would retaliate as such, as well. “The next time China launches a cyber attack from that cyber-bank of PCs shown in that Govt building we’ve all seen, expect several TLAMs taking that building out!”

easyt65 on April 22, 2013 at 1:37 PM