More arrests in Boston bombing case? Update: KDKA report confirming Mirror account?

posted at 11:31 am on April 21, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The death of one suspected bomber and the capture of the other on Friday in the Boston Marathon bombing may not be the end of arrests in the case.  Yesterday afternoon, FBI and DHS agents arrived at the same New Bedford apartment complex where they had detained three people in the Friday manhunt for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, this time taking two away in handcuffs:

Agents wearing FBI and Department of Homeland Security jackets detained two men at the Hidden Brook apartment complex just hours after releasing three people believed to be associated with Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

A neighbor who declined to identify herself said the same two men were among the three people taken into custody by the FBI Friday afternoon.

An FBI spokeswoman could not provide any information on the two men, both of whom were led away in handcuffs around 3:50 p.m. Saturday, or anything related to the apartment, citing the “ongoing” nature of the investigation.

Interestingly, this time the FBI and DHS didn’t come alone.  A consular vehicle from an unidentified  nation also arrived, and transported two women out of the complex after the arrests took place:

Earlier Saturday afternoon, a silver mini-van with consulate license plates arrived at the Carriage Drive apartment along with the FBI and Homeland Security, and stayed a half an hour longer than the agents.

The van left with two women, neither of whom appeared to be restrained. One was carrying a pink backpack as she exited the apartment and ran into the van, which sped away as the women told reporters they did not wish to comment.

We noted the brief detention of two men and a woman on Friday afternoon, but the FBI left after Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was apprehended in Watertown.  The police told the Standard-Times on Friday that the two men were believed to be fellow students at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth.

Meanwhile, the Daily Mirror in the UK reports that the FBI is investigating the possibility that the Tsarnaev brothers were part of a “sleeper cell” in the US that could contain a dozen operatives:

The FBI was last night hunting a 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell” linked to the Boston marathon bomb brothers.

Police believe Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were specially trained to carry out the devastating attack.

More than 1,000 FBI operatives were last night working to track down the cell and arrested a man and two women 60 miles from Boston in the hours before Dzhokhar’s dramatic capture after a bloody shootout on Friday.

A source close to the investigation said: “We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.

“They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.”

It’s important to keep in mind that the FBI will be investigating all sorts of possibilities in connection to the attack.  The travel pattern of Tamerlan Tsarnaev provides the potential for significant contact with radicals in Dagestan and Chechnya, but those contacts have yet to be established.  Until the FBI and intelligence agencies find those contacts and develop those leads, they will keep all potential theories in play.

Speaking of which, House Intelligence chair Mike Rogers told NBC’s Meet the Press that Tamerlan may have traveled to Russia using an alias:

Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said on NBC’s Meet the Press Sunday that when Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon bombing suspect killed Friday in a shootout with police, travelled to Russia in 2012, he may have done so under an alias.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s six-month stay in Russia last year “becomes extremely important” as a key to the investigation of the Boston bombings, Rogers told NBC’s David Gregory. His visit to Russia “would lead one to believe that that’s probably where he got that final radicalization to push him to commit acts of violence and where he may have received training” in terrorist techniques. Rogers, a former FBI agent, said the FBI had questioned Tamerlan Tsarnaev after being given information from a foreign intelligence service “that they were concerned about his possible radicalization.” …

But appearing on CNN’s State of the Union Sunday, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R- S.C., said Tamerlan Tsarnaev is the kind of person “you don’t want to let out of your sight,” and that it was a mistake for federal authorities to have lost track of him.

“Either our laws are insufficient or the FBI failed, but we’re at war with radical Islamists and we need to up our game,” the South Carolina Republican told CNN.

How did we find out so quickly about Tamerlan’s travels, though, if he traveled under an alias?  Or did the FBI keep closer track of Tsarnaev than Lindsey Graham thinks?

Although Dzhokhar Tsarnaev remains in serious condition, officials plan to charge him in federal court quickly, perhaps as soon as today:

Federal officials hope to bring charges against Dzokhar Tsarnaev as early as today, a Department of Justice official tells CNN’s Pamela Brown.

A law enforcement official tells CNN that Tsarnaev might be arraigned at the hospital. The 19-year-old suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing remains in serious, stable condition, under heavy guard at a Boston hospital. A judge is coming to his bedside.

Once charged in civil criminal court, options for investigators begin to narrow considerably in regard to interrogation.  It’s possible that they have already found what they wanted from the surviving Tsarnaev brother, which may be why FBI, DHS, and a consular van reappeared at the New Bedford apartment complex.

Update: The agents arrived yesterday afternoon, not last night.  I’ve corrected that in the first paragraph.

Update: The New York Daily News has photos of the two men, and report that they have been detained on “immigration violations”:

Two foreign nationals — who are believed to be associates of the alleged Boston Marathon bombers — were arrested Saturday on immigration violations, authorities said.

The men, identified by neighbors as 19-year-olds from Kazakhstan, drove around in a black BMW with the mock license plate, “TERRORISTA #1.”

The pair was hauled out of their New Bedford apartment in handcuffs about 3:50 p.m. The raid was carried out by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, a spokesman told the Daily News.

Immigration violations from Kazakhstan? Those don’t usually require a consular van to collect associates. This is still a fluid situation and this lead may end up being nothing at all, so keep an open mind. The fact that federal investigators returned the next day and diplomatic intervention was required indicates that this is something a little more serious than a visa violation, or at least is suspected of being so.

Update: Bear in mind that this could still be (relatively) unrelated to the bombing.  The FBI may have identified Tsarnaev’s associates and detained them on Friday to get more intel on their fugitive, and then discovered an immigration issue either during or shortly after their interrogation.  Given the nature of the larger case, they may have alerted the consulate to get involved immediately and accelerated the processing of the immigration issue to get them out of the way.  That’s at least a possibility, so again, keep an open mind.

Update: Looks like KDKA has heard what the Mirror reported earlier:

Stay, er, tuned.

Update: Dzhokhar isn’t saying much, at least not verbally:

Mayor Thomas Menino wondered aloud earlier today whether he’d ever be able to talk with investigators.  Let’s hope that doctors make that happen as soon as possible.

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[Obama's] Job Approval has remained within Gallup’s own Margin of Error since this happened…

Back in 2001, right after the original 9/11, Chimpy Bush saw his Job Approval rocket up between 31 and 35 points in 4 days.

Del Dolemonte on April 21, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Bush wasn’t “family friends” with terrorists.

While, on the other hand, Obama’s “family friend” was quoted in the New York Times on 9/11/2001 (of all days!) saying:

I don’t regret setting bombs

ITguy on April 21, 2013 at 6:42 PM

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Exactly! I need a strong and long shower :) See y’all later.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Follow The Money: how are all these islamofascist jihadists able to buy new, hugely expensive Mercedes?

TeaPartyNation on April 21, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Armenians are CHRISTIAN.

Do you even understand what is being discussed?

riddick on April 21, 2013 at 4:11 PM

riddick on April 21, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Never mind. I connected several dots and you’re stuck in Armenia.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Opinionator…Dude…

Read up on the Armenian Genocide.

Armenian Americans are some of the most loyal 2nd-3rd generation immigrant groups in this country…

No way Armenians are going to sideup with Mohammedians…just sayin’

workingclass artist on April 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

workingclass artist on April 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Yeah, I’m familiar. AS previously stated, that little bit about Umarov’s origins came from one of several sites I read. That’s not to say it’s impossible to believe an Islamist was born/whatever in a Christian nation. I was focused on Umarov’s current influence, ties and Sunni/Saudi support. Period.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Looks like Breitbart beat Beck to the punch.

EXCLUSIVE: SOURCE-SAUDI NATIONAL’S DEPORTATION RECORD ALTERED

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/20/Saudi-National-Questioned-Record-Changed

takeamericabackin10 on April 21, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Well, it seems pretty clear they would like to deflect attention from the young Saudi national. After all, they were planning to ship him out of here, out of the reach of FBI interrogation, until their plans were inconveniently brought to public scrutiny.

From the hints Beck has given, I suspect the focus of his report will be on the Saudi national and the insidious steps the Obama regime has taken in this regard.

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Looks like Breitbart beat Beck to the punch.

EXCLUSIVE: SOURCE-SAUDI NATIONAL’S DEPORTATION RECORD ALTERED

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/20/Saudi-National-Questioned-Record-Changed

takeamericabackin10 on April 21, 2013 at 7:19 PM

This would explain his big fat smile. Who would be sitting there with a big grin like that if you weren’t getting away with something.

You were just in a terrorist bombing. People around you died or were seriously injured. You were supposedly injured. People accuse you of being part of it and now you get your picture taken with this big grin.

JellyToast on April 21, 2013 at 7:48 PM

riddick on April 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM
riddick on April 21, 2013 at 4:21 PM
riddick on April 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM
riddick on April 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM
bw222 on April 21, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Your insulting responses to Opinionator were over the top. Good grief, if you can tell that someone is mistaken on a point, can’t you just be polite and correct them?

Shame on both of you, especially riddick.

Opinionator is not a troll just because they don’t comment night & day here.

Good manners are never out of style.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Resist We Much on April 21, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Really?
You’re on this train too?

verbaluce on April 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

takeamericabackin10 on April 21, 2013 at 7:19 PM

The Breitbart story has been reported earlier. Janet Incompetento was caught in a lie. Perjury.

I suspect Beck’s report starts here, but goes substantially further.

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Calm down everyone…just because the Saudi’s put up the money for 9/11 and the the Boston Bombing and the Chechnyan Islamic-al qaedan state…why are you so suspicious that something stinks here?/// Real nice bunch

gracie on April 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Your insulting responses to Opinionator were over the top. Good grief, if you can tell that someone is mistaken on a point, can’t you just be polite and correct them?

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

+100

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 6:42 PM

You can call me a liar. You can call me a cheat. You can call me a thief. But you will not call me a KOS kid/liberal!

:)

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Thank you, bluefox and petefrt!

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

+100

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Thanks. And also being polite to Opinionator. Good person too.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Thank you, bluefox and petefrt!

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM

That’s what friends are for OP:-) I was just reading and trying to make some sense of the TON of info when I read your comment. Then riddick’s. You would have thot you called Schumer a Conservative, LOL

Nice to see you up here. I’ve been AWOL downstairs, but will explain shortly.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 8:16 PM

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Cindy said it on another thread earlier today. Most of us clown ourselves once in a while with mistakes of marginal significance.

Trolls excepted, we are allies here. That’s why we’re here. It’s discouraging to see allies attack one another, especially over small matters, as it damages our cause.

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Hahaha. You can (please) burn that into the urn holding my ashes some day :)

As for the Saudi deflection, I was thinking of Al-Harbi as well as other still unknown Saudi players. According to Breitbart, the alteration of the deportation order occurred ‘around the time’ of O’s meeting with the Saudi Minister Wednesday evening, which as I recall was after the big FBI request for assistance/only look at these two suspects announcement.

Did they think they’d nicely swept Al-Harbi under the rug, find out someone knew of the deportation order (based on questioning of Janet), and then the emergency/unscheduled meeting and alteration order took place? Probably.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Nice to see you up here. I’ve been AWOL downstairs, but will explain shortly.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Same here and same here! :) Will catch up with you hopefully tomorrow morning.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM

As for the Saudi deflection, I was thinking of Al-Harbi as well as other still unknown Saudi players. According to Breitbart, the alteration of the deportation order occurred ‘around the time’ of O’s meeting with the Saudi Minister Wednesday evening…

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM

The reversal came just after Beck disclosed and discussed plans for deportation. Quite likely there were other influences, but I think Beck’s disclosure was influential.

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Was that on Wednesday? Via Emerson to Beck? Emerson repeated it on Wednesday night with Hannity. Janet (per Breitbart) responded to deportation questions on Thursday, so I don’t know if perjury’s in order unless she was earlier questioned under oath.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Trolls excepted, we are allies here. That’s why we’re here. It’s discouraging to see allies attack one another, especially over small matters, as it damages our cause.
petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

I agree. This issue tho with such a volume of info out there is hard to keep up with. I haven’t commented much as I’ve had other duties but when I’ve had a little time I just try to read to be half way informed:-) It’s like a giant 5,000 piece puzzle!!

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM

With all of this cloak & dagger, are we sure the Saudi National isn’t already back home? LOL Nothing is surprising me much anymore.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Yes, I think that’s it. It was Steve Emerson, as I recall, who charged perjury.

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Nothing is surprising me much anymore.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Me either! :) We’ll probably find out the alteration of the deportation order came ‘just in time’ for Janet’s testimony, then they deported him and all the other Saudi cell members anyway. Meanwhile the Chechens were left to hang out to dry and pesky LE inadvertently let one live?/

Who knows? It’s truly an upside down world.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

But Breitbart says that Janet testified Thursday:

Thursday, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was questioned by Congressman Jeff Duncan about the alleged deportation in a House hearing. Napolitano responded “I am unaware of anyone who is being deported for national security concerns at all related to Boston. I don’t know where that rumor came from.”

Congressman Duncan pushed Napolitano and she retorted:

“I am not going to answer that question, it is so full of misstatements and misapprehensions, that it is just not worthy of an answer….there has been so much reported on this that has been wrong, I can’t even begin to tell you, congressman.”

Then Emerson repeated it to Hannity on Thursday, not Wednesday. So whatever he told Beck on Wednesday has to have spawned the alteration order and emergency meeting on Wednesday night.

We owe Emerson and Beck.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I heard Beck on his radio show Friday and he was very serious in his warning. He gave the until Monday and if the truth didn’t come out, he would release the info.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiEpSggvZFU

H/T xblade 4/20/13, but I forgot which thread, LOL HA of course tho.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 9:14 PM

H/T xblade 4/20/13, but I forgot which thread, LOL HA of course tho.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Yes, I saw/heard that :). Wanna bet Jeff Duncan is one of those on his panel offering proof tomorrow? Should be mighty interesting.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Opinionator

Jeanine Pirro on FNC is asking some of your same questions now.

Good thinking, Opinionator.

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 9:23 PM

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 9:23 PM

THANKS! Listening now. . . yay Judge!

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Opinionator

Good grief, Opinionator! Are you Jeanine Piro in drag? She just said almost the exact same thing you posted. The FBI had the files, and they should have made the connections.

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Dang. Missed most of it, except the FBI knew who he was when they asked us for help. Yep, they did. I suspect that was all part of the (very well) planned ‘deflection’ in an effort to leave it in the hands of only two very bad Russian terrorists. Russia/Chechnya what’s the diff in the minds of the American public./

And the American public also doesn’t know that the Saudis are also funding Chechnya to boot – contra Shia – loving Mother Russia.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 9:34 PM

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Err. . . I’m a J.D. and have been a court appointed criminal investigator among other things in this lifetime. ;)

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Err. . . I’m a J.D.
Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Ha, so am I, UVA law school, just before Laura Ingraham. As you know, a law degree used to mean something. Now it means, or should mean nothing, nothing at all. Except maybe a license for rent seekers. Sad.

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Good manners are never out of style.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

You mean LIBELING entire nation is OK? Got it. We do live in a sorry world where some idiot can claim that re-posting LIBEL does not make him responsible.

Amazing…

riddick on April 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Good manners are never out of style.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

You mean LIBELING entire nation is OK? Got it. We do live in a sorry world where some idiot can claim that re-posting LIBEL does not make him responsible.

Amazing…

riddick on April 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Good manners are never out of style.

bluefox on April 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

You mean LIBELING entire nation is OK? Got it. We do live in a sorry world where some idiot can claim that re-posting LIBEL does not make him responsible.

Amazing…

riddick on April 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM

…dude!

KOOLAID2 on April 21, 2013 at 10:57 PM

riddick on April 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Seriously??? I didn’t libel anyone ever. An incorrect background note in parenthesis about the location of someone’s birth is what this means to you? I prefaced everything I said by the fact that I’d been doing a lot of reading from various sources.

But then you know that – over and over again.

Me thinks thou dost protest entirely too much. Don’t want the Saudi/Chechen ties revealed? Or the Saudi/U.S. ties further revealed?

Why not?

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 10:58 PM

This is too overblown an attempt to discredit me so my actual message won’t make it through the false accusations.

My investigator alarms are going off. Who the heck are YOU, riddick?

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Ha, so am I, UVA law school, just before Laura Ingraham. As you know, a law degree used to mean something. Now it means, or should mean nothing, nothing at all. Except maybe a license for rent seekers. Sad.

petefrt on April 21, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Good on you. Great school! Mine is from Loyola, LA, a very long time ago. Pleased to meet you and again, I appreciate our interchange today.

Opinionator on April 21, 2013 at 11:09 PM

You mean LIBELING entire nation is OK? Got it. We do live in a sorry world where some idiot can claim that re-posting LIBEL does not make him responsible.

Amazing…

riddick on April 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM

One cannot “libel” a nation.

Monkeytoe on April 22, 2013 at 7:45 AM

Media: Lone wolves working in unison.

hawkdriver on April 22, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I haven’t seen anyone pick up on this theme, but I’d like to see something about it in the Green Room: How were these guys financed? There’s pictures of the older scumbag living what appears to be a fairly upscale lifestyle. The younger scumbag’s Benz was at the auto repair shop. The younger scumbag attended an expensive public school. Where’d these scumbags get their money? Reports are that the mom worked at a massage parlor and the dad was crazy.

Follow the money, and you’ll find out how they were radicalized. If it was in Russia, I guess it’s time for another reset, eh?

conservablogger on April 22, 2013 at 9:31 AM

And then there’s the Tea Party, the one the media is really obssessed with. All these two brothers did was kill and maim a few Americans, but ohhh, that Tea Party. You can’t fool our media, too smart, or leftists in general, also too smart.
And they know the dangerous Sarah Palin is waiting in the wings.

arand on April 22, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Interestingly, this time the FBI and DHS didn’t come alone. A consular vehicle from an unidentified nation also arrived, and transported two women out of the complex after the arrests took place:

Hmmmm, Russians or Saudi’s? Amazing that the American media seems uninterested in the other parts of this story.

Minnfidel on April 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

The FBI may have identified Tsarnaev’s associates and detained them on Friday to get more intel on their fugitive, and then discovered an immigration issue either during or shortly after their interrogation.

This may have been said already, but….

THIS is what has to happen to get the govt to start enforcing existing immigration law???

We are so screwed.

runawayyyy on April 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM

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