Blue states to sue EPA for not crushing coal industry fast enough

posted at 3:01 pm on April 21, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Normally when I see somebody upset with the EPA, it’s because they’re shoving their regulatory boot down on the throat of somebody else. That’s why it came as something of a surprise to learn that the agency may be facing a lawsuit from a coalition of very blue states. What on Earth, I wondered, might the EPA have done to these guys? Nothing, as it turns out, and that’s why they’re upset. The EPA has, in the opinion of the complainants, dragging its heels on ramming through new energy production standards which will effectively exterminate construction of any new coal powered energy plants, no matter how much progress they make on emissions control.

SAN FRANCISCO, (Reuters) – Ten states have threatened to sue the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which missed an April 13 deadline to finalize rules on new power plant emissions, unless it issues guidelines promptly.

New York state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman issued a statement on Wednesday criticizing the agency for failing to complete its New Source Performance Standards to curb greenhouse gas emissions from new power plants despite President Barack Obama’s pledge to combat climate change.

“Today’s notice makes clear that if the EPA does not promptly issue these rules, we will take legal action to hold the agency to its commitment,” he wrote in a letter to the agency.

The attorneys general of nine other states, the District of Columbia and New York City joined Schneiderman in his threat to sue and gave the EPA 60 days to respond.

Thus far the EPA has offered a big, “No Comment” while claiming that they’re still digging through nearly 3 million comments which have been submitted regarding the NSPS regulations. Of course, the boss still can’t be charging forward on this too quickly while being interested in the outcome of the 2014 elections. Shutting down any number of coal plants, in addition to stopping construction of new start-ups, is going to put a lot of people on the unemployment rolls, and that sort of thing has consequences.

But if this does come to a court case, it will be interesting to see it play out. The original date for reaching a decision on NSPS, April 13th, was a “deadline” for sure, but it was a completely internally generated one. If the agency fails to get this type of extensive study finished on their originally estimated timeline, it’s difficult to imagine a court showing much sympathy for a lawsuit trying to force them into motion more quickly. In the end, we’ll probably chalk this one up to more idiocy from the green energy lobby.


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Oh, brother. Here we go…

OmahaConservative on April 21, 2013 at 3:05 PM

The Progressive War on America.

Battlefield: your consumption of energy, and energy for a growing, vibrant economy.

PappyD61 on April 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM

At first I thought Jazz had been suckered in by The Onion. Then I realized it was the Dems suckering themselves.

Limerick on April 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM

1st I voted with my money…..

a. bought my second home in a red state while living in a blue state

b. bought all my stuff in the red state.

c. finally after 5 years moved to the red state and sold the place in the blue state.

d. now the red state gets taxes from me and the blue state doesn’t.

e. still been going to some blue states for trips.

f. no more, I now boycott blue states, f&^k em.

losarkos on April 21, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Unions in the coal states hardest hit by union allies. Gotta love it.

Limerick on April 21, 2013 at 3:13 PM

The EPA has, in the opinion of the complainants, dragging its heels on ramming through new energy production standards which will effectively exterminate construction of any new coal powered energy plants, no matter how much progress they make on emissions control.

Many, probably most, big cities are in blue states. Big cities are the biggest users of electricity generated by coal fired power plants. Apparently the eco-crazy libs running these states want their citizens to pay a lot more for a lot less electricity. They probably all want them to drive electric cars, too, made by Government Motors.

Libs are self-destructive, almost suicidal. Too bad they drag the rest of us along for the ride as they aim the ship of state right at an iceberg and yell “full speed ahead”.

farsighted on April 21, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Red States to sue DEA & FDA for undereducating & undermedicating residents of Blue States

workingclass artist on April 21, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Red States lobby Congress to stop all foreign aid to Failed Blue States

workingclass artist on April 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Liberals live under some illusions about the nature of law and man, but this one takes the cake.

How, exactly, does an suit of states against the EPA work? Will the EPA pay them…damages? Isn’t that just a transfer of wealth from the federal government to the 50 states? If it comes from the EPA’s budget, won’t that just mean less money for the EPA to operate? Won’t the damages be spent by the states largely in a way that will increase emissions? If the result is just an injunction telling them to hurry up, how is that any different from the deadline they blew?

HitNRun on April 21, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Blue states sue federal government for not pushing them back into the stone age fast enough.

“Why do we need coal power plants, electricity comes my wall???”

-outraged retarded liberal

Bishop on April 21, 2013 at 3:20 PM

California, New York, D.C. and who?

Cindy Munford on April 21, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Thatcher is the Devil! She killed the coal industry!!

The EPA is the Devil! It’s not killing the coal industry!!

Ben Hur on April 21, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Here are the states

Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

New Mexico is a surprise. The others not so much.

gophergirl on April 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Here’s a thought. All those “Blue” states can get ALL of their electrical power from “renewable” sources RIGHT NOW!

We’ll never hear from them again.

GarandFan on April 21, 2013 at 3:27 PM

NM is flooded with Californian Moonbats

workingclass artist on April 21, 2013 at 3:29 PM

The red and blue are confusing on this one.

Governor Mitt Romney carried West Virginia. President Obama carried Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

IlikedAUH2O on April 21, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Using our money to sue us.

unclesmrgol on April 21, 2013 at 3:31 PM

How, exactly, does an suit of states against the EPA work? Will the EPA pay them…damages? Isn’t that just a transfer of wealth from the federal government to the 50 states? If it comes from the EPA’s budget, won’t that just mean less money for the EPA to operate? Won’t the damages be spent by the states largely in a way that will increase emissions? If the result is just an injunction telling them to hurry up, how is that any different from the deadline they blew?

HitNRun on April 21, 2013 at 3:20 PM

It compels them to enforce the regulations the complainants want. I think individuals can be held personally liable if they don’t.

Odysseus on April 21, 2013 at 3:34 PM

New Mexico is a surprise. The others not so much.

gophergirl on April 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Yep, that one got me, also.

Cindy Munford on April 21, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Perhaps this is what will ‘kill’ some Unions, wonder what they think? The Coal Miners Union? (No idea what their official name is).

Still, what goes around comes right back around… :-) karma…

I wanna see liberals living in caves!!

Scrumpy on April 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Isn’t this sort of how the civil war started?

Skywise on April 21, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Blue States sue FCC for something the FCC doesn’t regulate…

“Conservative Koch Brothers Turning Focus to Newspapers…

Now, Koch Industries, the sprawling private company of which Charles G. Koch serves as chairman and chief executive, is exploring a bid to buy the Tribune Company’s eight regional newspapers, including The Los Angeles Times, The Chicago Tribune, The Baltimore Sun, The Orlando Sentinel and The Hartford Courant.

By early May, the Tribune Company is expected to send financial data to serious suitors in what will be among the largest sales of newspapers by circulation in the country. Koch Industries is among those interested, said several people with direct knowledge of the sale who spoke on the condition they not be named…”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/business/media/koch-brothers-making-play-for-tribunes-newspapers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

workingclass artist on April 21, 2013 at 3:41 PM

California faces power shortages this summer due to the San Onofre nuclear power shut down (it generates 3.7% of the states electricity.)

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20130420/BIZ/704209954/1005/BIZ?page=2

“The California ISO, responsible for delivering power to more than 30 million people, currently has about 60,000 megawatts of generating capacity.

About 16,000 megawatts from 18 units powered by fossil fuel may shut through 2020 because of environmental rules that restrict coastal-water intake by power plants, Julien Dumoulin- Smith, a utility analyst with UBS in New York, said in an April 4 interview. State regulations mandate that 33 percent of power come from renewable sources by 2020.

These regulations will reduce California’s reserve margins from 40 percent this year to about half of that by 2020 and shift supplies to more variable sources such as wind and solar that depend on the weather, said Dumoulin-Smith.”

When I’m the last conservative to leave the state, I won’t turn the lights out, I’ll leave every single one of them burning to accelerate the collapse of this failed progressive utopia.

MichaelGabriel on April 21, 2013 at 3:45 PM

If the agency fails to get this type of extensive study finished on their originally estimated timeline, it’s difficult to imagine a court showing much sympathy for a lawsuit trying to force them into motion more quickly.

Actually, I could see the 9th Circuit issuing an order to the EPA to issue standards within 30-60 days regardless of the status of the comment review. The court would opine that any aggrieved party could later sue for adjustments to the regulations issued in haste. The EPA then would just emulate Congress – they’ll have to implement regulations wholesale before we can know what’s in them. Trainwreck forthcoming. Rollback of regs? Not so much.

in_awe on April 21, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Cindy Munford on April 21, 2013 at 3:34 PM

New Mexico went for O in 12.

IlikedAUH2O on April 21, 2013 at 3:49 PM

West Virginia used to be strongly Democratic.

IlikedAUH2O on April 21, 2013 at 3:50 PM

“Now, Koch Industries, the sprawling private company of which Charles G. Koch serves as chairman and chief executive, is exploring a bid to buy the Tribune Company’s eight regional newspapers, including The Los Angeles Times, The Chicago Tribune, The Baltimore Sun, The Orlando Sentinel and The Hartford Courant.”

workingclass artist on April 21, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Robert R. McCormick may turn back over in his grave.

He’s been uncomfortable since he first turned over completely when his beloved Chicago Tribune endorsed The One. He was half-turned over for several decades before that.

farsighted on April 21, 2013 at 3:52 PM

No coal mines here in California, so OF COURSE the libtards in Sacramento are worried about it…

F’ing progressive busybodies…

Khun Joe on April 21, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Wonder how soon before CA will start having rolling brownouts again?

OmahaConservative on April 21, 2013 at 3:59 PM

IlikedAUH2O on April 21, 2013 at 3:49 PM

I have to assume they are importing too many Californians.

Cindy Munford on April 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM

This lawsuit assumes facts from information not in evidence. These states shyster lawyers (attorneys general) have no evidence supporting or even know what the EPA rules SHOULD say. They are basing their case on what they THINK should be rightful rules. In any rational or sane country, they would be laughed out of court. In the type of country (marxist) whose tactics they are using to damage this country, they would disappear.

I suggest that after we are rid of these progressive terrorists, we should fulfill their wished for three months. 1) enact sharia law for three months then burka and beat the feminazis. 2) Institute re-education camps for the professors, teachers, politicians, mainstream media, and bureaucrats. 3) Remove isalm as a religion protected by The US Constitution. After those three months, we can see where we want to go.

Old Country Boy on April 21, 2013 at 4:02 PM

From my understanding any electricity that comes from alternative energy sources lacks killing power since it’s green and not from coal and that will save lives, so I’m behind this 100%.

rogerb on April 21, 2013 at 4:05 PM

As a student of political history, I am finding all to quickly that the history of mankind repeats itself in an eternal circle.

For instance, there was a time when the cultural divide in a nation became so great that blood was spilt. It was culture vs. culture, state vs. state. When a nation becomes culturally divided, the only inevitable end is civil war.

The last time the nation became this culturally divided was 1860. I fear, and yet anticipate, what the future will bring this time…

eva3071 on April 21, 2013 at 4:05 PM

“… to finalize rules on new power plant emissions…”

These states all have legislatures which can enact their own regulations on emissions, but that would also take a backbone.

Oh, well. Apparently it’s the coward’s way to force the feds to force their way.

locomotivebreath1901 on April 21, 2013 at 4:11 PM

gophergirl on April 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Much like California, New Mexico got Californicated. Sad really.

Jim-Rose on April 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

The EPA is a cancer on America.

Axion on April 21, 2013 at 4:22 PM

The last time the nation became this culturally divided was 1860. I fear, and yet anticipate, what the future will bring this time…

eva3071 on April 21, 2013 at 4:05 PM

The sooner the better, like cutting off a gangrenous arm.

Rebar on April 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

SAN FRANCISCO, (Reuters)

That’s where I stopped reading.

hillsoftx on April 21, 2013 at 4:24 PM

No heating oil from the South and the West should be sold to these idiots.

Fry & Freeze, baby!

Resist We Much on April 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Here are the states

Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

New Mexico is a surprise. The others not so much.

gophergirl on April 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I was surprised to see NM on the list, but even more surprised that California wasn’t. I’d expect Governor Moonbeam to be right out in front of something like this.

Then again, he and the rest of the moonbats out there may actually remember how Grayout Davis & Co. screwed the pooch on power generation. And Moonbeam probably doesn’t want to be on the receiving end of an “Operation BrownOut” as a consequence of trying to out-eco and/or out-stupid Davis.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 21, 2013 at 4:32 PM

The real news here is that this story did not manage to have popcorn guy as its picture.

nobar on April 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Anthropogenic Global Climate Change is one of the BIGGEST challenges facing the Planet today. UNTIL, the United Nations is granted or takes the authority necessary to compel polluters to stop destroying Spacehip One, we must act nationally….

I mean UNLESS we act at a state level ( a la California) or at a Regional level a la Romney and Christie, who both hate womyn BTW. These kind of non-global actions are very good, and set the table for what is to come….

But UNTIL, as I say, the UN can force you coal-burning, Gaia-raping, inbred sister-loving cretins, wistfully fondly your, compensatory, guns to heel, then the Federal Court System will have to suffice.

STOP BURNING SO D@MMN MUCH COAL…Here I am using the Internet, why can’t YOU? Do you HAVE to drive to Billy One-Tooth’s Shoot n’Drive for that Barrett .50 caliber? Order it on-line….and you don’t have to work at that steel mill..do what I do…I sell low-impact, environmentally friendly recycled paper origami ONLINE…see NO electricity. Take the bus, don’t use oil…it’s about choices people, the CHOICES I WANT YOU TO MAKE…make them and soon, or we’ll be forced to sue you into submission…so be reasonable, do it our way.

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 4:43 PM

1st I voted with my money…..

a. bought my second home in a red state while living in a blue state

b. bought all my stuff in the red state.

c. finally after 5 years moved to the red state and sold the place in the blue state.

d. now the red state gets taxes from me and the blue state doesn’t.

e. still been going to some blue states for trips.

f. no more, I now boycott blue states, f&^k em.

losarkos on April 21, 2013 at 3:11 PM

You get it losarkos. You get it.

The longer any conservative lives in a blue state the longer that conservative is being forced to support the leftist agenda with their tax dollars.

It’s time to GTFO.

The sooner the better, like cutting off a gangrenous arm.

Rebar on April 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

A house divided cannot stand.

…it’s about choices people, the CHOICES I WANT YOU TO MAKE…make them and soon, or we’ll be forced to sue you into submission…so be reasonable, do it our way.

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Herein lies the real crux of the matter:

Will we live in a society that is governed by Law and operated by logic, reason, and persuasion?

Or will we live in a society that is governed by the whims of men and is operated by force, domination, and ultimately violence?

You can have liberty or death. Note the lack of alternatives.

Chaz706 on April 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM

1. require new lightbulb that no one would choose because its not competitive

2. make old lightbulb illegal

(3. new lightbulb now competitive)

^ This.

1. require alternative energy infrastructure

2. make old infrastructure illegal

(3. new infrastructure now finally making money for cronies competitive)

^ The EPA has betrayed them™. Point 2 is always required within planned political economies.

Axe on April 21, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Will we live in a society that is governed by Law and operated by logic, reason, and persuasion?

Or will we live in a society that is governed by the whims of men and is operated by force, domination, and ultimately violence?

To be fair, the “law” IS being used here…..your problem is that you fear the WRONG law is going to win out….This is not a Fuhrer/Central Committee-issued diktat. This IS a group attempting to use the law, after persuasion and reason, to achieve a policy end with which they agree.

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM

When are we going to start a serious discussion on breaking up this Country into two separate sovereign nations? You will find me on the winning side, a red state.

David in ATL on April 21, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Wouldn’t there be an issue of standing to be determined even before this suit could proceed?

LooseCannon on April 21, 2013 at 5:11 PM

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 4:43 PM

A hat trick.

Arrogant, offensive and stupid, all in one post.

Congratulations.

trigon on April 21, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Trigon, wait until we start talking about the Irish, a have a modest proposal for them, too.

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Here are the states

Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

New Mexico is a surprise. The others not so much.

gophergirl on April 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

…hopefully…there will be talk of succession?

KOOLAID2 on April 21, 2013 at 5:25 PM

All this talk of s3cession, reminds me of 2004, when the Left wanted a Divorce from Jesusland….we laughed at them, then…I think we might also laugh at ourselves, or at least those on our side, who also propose s3cession.

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 5:28 PM

They will use this to come up with a court sanctioned “settlement” that bypasses congress and public debate.

Spartacus on April 21, 2013 at 5:34 PM

They will use this to come up with a court sanctioned “settlement” that bypasses congress and public debate.

Spartacus on April 21, 2013 at 5:34 PM

To an extent…the Law, is subject to interpretation, the Court’s role. The problem is/was the underlying legislation. If this is the Clean Air Act, then that is a Bush (’41) and Congress beast. IF, it’s the CAA, well Bush ’43 and Speaker Hastert had 8 years to solve it. BUT, they were too interested in being nice, seeming concerned, playing prevent defense, to really address these issues….

So now a court will have the opportunity to interpret what the law meant and whether the EPA is following it. All that is perfectly legal….

Bottom-Line: this is not an “extra legal” end-run around Congress. Congress saw fit to legislate and grant administrative authority. A court is now going to decide on at least the TIMING of that legally authorized administrative authority.

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 5:44 PM

.This is not a Fuhrer/Central Committee-issued diktat. This IS a group attempting to use the law, after persuasion and reason, to achieve a policy end with which they agree.

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM

this is not law. Law requires legislation in a democracy or a republic. There has been No legislation on this. In fact the Congress has told them NOT to do this, but they couldn’t get it by the dictator in chief. Your whole description and foundation presented in your earlier posts if demonstrably false. These progressives do not cvare about carbon emissions, because carbon emissions are a non-existent threat. They do care about controlling people and countries. They do care about forcing people and countries to financially support them. You are a fool and a useful idiot.

Old Country Boy on April 21, 2013 at 5:46 PM

All this talk of s3cession, reminds me of 2004, when the Left wanted a Divorce from Jesusland….we laughed at them, then…I think we might also laugh at ourselves, or at least those on our side, who also propose s3cession.

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 5:28 PM

No one laughed at them, that I can recall.

In fact, many conservatives agreed with them.

We are two nations already, with polar opposite ideologies. The sooner this split becomes political reality, the sooner both sides can go their own way, the sooner both can take their ideologies to their logical conclusions.

Rebar on April 21, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Here’s a simple fact. It won’t take people sitting in the cold and dark very long to vote for the guys who will dismantle the EPA.

trigon on April 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Worked for EPA in the 90s and witnessed the progression of lawsuits filed against the Agency by the enviro organizations…EPA and the group discuss the suit, the suit is filed, EPA and the group settle the suit giving the group what they want. Wa La.

Beck60 on April 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Much like California, New Mexico got Californicated. Sad really.

Jim-Rose on April 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Red states really need to start turning away blue staters, or something, before the liberal hordes befoul another nest.

squint on April 21, 2013 at 5:57 PM

…hopefully…there will be talk of succession?

KOOLAID2 on April 21, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Let me tell you to nix that before Ed does. :)

Axe on April 21, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Just call it ‘TDG’.

The Great Divorce.

trigon on April 21, 2013 at 6:01 PM

this is not law. Law requires legislation in a democracy or a republic. There has been No legislation on this. In fact the Congress has told them NOT to do this, but they couldn’t get it by the dictator in chief.

But there HAS been, it’s called the Clean Air Act….Congress passed it and IIRC, Bush ’41 signed it.

And now US citizens are using their Constitutional rights to avail themselves of a Constitutionally-provided Court system to compel action, under this and several other laws, dealing with administrative actions.

I don’t have to agree with their policy ends, to accept their policy MEANS.

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM

No one laughed at them, that I can recall.

In fact, many conservatives agreed with them.

Then you weren’t here, or in my part of the Conserv-averse…

Generally whomsoever loses the Presidential Election begins to think of taking their ball and going home…be it Michael Lerner or Koolaid-who may have been trolling for nibbles.

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 6:12 PM

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM

The clean air act DID NOT ADDRESS CO3 and carbon emissions. Neither did it have anything in it to do away with coal. If it had, it would have gotten by the senate not the house. This is being done without clean air act authorization, and it is supported by wishful, but useful, idiots like you. Nowhere in The Constitution is there a provision for laws to be generated by unelected bureaucrats. Only do the dictators to be use the cover of a legislated law, to extend the meaning and desire of congress to further political ambitions.

Having been associated with atmospheric measurement around the world, the AGW data is generally fabricated and unchecked by unbiased scientists and engineers. You are a dupe being used to use American money to enslave us. Kurschev told us that the communists would bury us and we would sell them the rope. I guess he knew you stupid people.

Old Country Boy on April 21, 2013 at 6:20 PM

it would have gotten s/b it would NOT have gotten

Old Country Boy on April 21, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Look at the bright side, as these mental midgets lose their electrical power, they will have to revert to much slower methods of communication and we will all then be able to simply ignore them, as their message will never arrive in a timely manner to the discussions at hand.

PJ Emeritus on April 21, 2013 at 7:39 PM

And YET, “Old Country Boy” I believe that the CAA is the basis for EPA actions on CO2 and MACT and a number of other programs….

And you seem to believe, that I believe in Global Warming/Cooling/Just Rightness…I don’t. HOWEVER, I also don’t believe that some awful thing, procedurally, is being done here.

A bunch of politicians are going to court to try to “force” the EPA do something they and their constituents like…. I call that POLITICS.

Our side does it…do you “kick” when Tx sues the EPA? Their side does it….why is it Ok for Rick Perry to sue but not the idiots in NY?

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

That is an easy one. Texas sues when an outside agency tries to impose deleterious regulations on Texas, for which the Texans and their representatives never voted, and THE FEDERAL LAW NEVER SUPPORTED. They sued over the same principle, unelected bureaucrats making laws that were never intended. This was a tax on Texas, different than the tax on Kansas or Minnesota. These other states are suing in the marxist style. They want the federal bureaucracy to impose a political rule governing actions of OTHER states.

This is not the case of one side does it so the other side should also be allowed. If you can’t see the difference, then you are not worth the effort to enlighten.

Old Country Boy on April 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

JFKY on April 21

The whole premise of your arguments is that you and the other useful idiots are so intelligent that you can tell the rest of us what to do. This is getting tiring. If your life is so bad that you only get joy out of trying to force yourself on the rest of us through laws, why don’t you, and your fellow travelers, just take your state and go away. Start your own country and live anyway you want. Just leave the rest of us alone! This country is beyond reconciliation through legal manipulations of your ilk to make the rest of us your slaves. Just go away.

Old Country Boy on April 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

These other states are suing in the marxist style. They want the federal bureaucracy to impose a political rule governing actions of OTHER states.

Because the Federal government has PRIMACY…and I imagine there are policy solutions you’d like to see on a national level that Cuomo would not…and I bet you’ll push for those over Cuomo’s objections.

And the USSC has upheld the EPA on CO2, have they not? Which again flows from the CAA….

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM

The EPA has a long history of colluding with leftist organizations that then sue them for non-enforcement of imaginary environmental legal requirements. The EPA then signs off on a settlement and agrees to enforce these never-before-recognized requirements, which was what the EPA wanted to do all along, usually along with a generous pay-off to the leftist organization for “court costs”. The EPA gets expanded power, the leftist NGO gets street cred and some bucks, and everybody’s happy.

Except for the rest of us.

Socratease on April 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Because the Federal government has PRIMACY

What gives the federal government primacy, within the confines of a state? The tents amendment? Remember the USSC is a political body also. Many of the judges, like the judges of the Florida supreme court make decisions based only on political dogma, NOT THE CONSTITUTION. I don’t want to see anything on a national level, except as strictly provided by The Constitution. And, unlike marxist/progressives and some fundamental Christians, I don’t want to see the courts pushing private beliefs.

The carbon credit and control BS is unsupported as needed by evidence. It has essentially collapsed in the rest of the world, and has turned into being a tax theft from the people with no tangible result except to enrich politicians and NGOs. As I say, take your own state somewhere else, unless the people in your state don’t agree with you either.

By the way, since you want to turn The United States into a socialist/marxist country, have you ever had any skin in the game? Rank, branch, and MOS?

Old Country Boy on April 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

The tents amendment? How about Tenth. Should have used X.

Old Country Boy on April 21, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Anthropogenic Global Climate Change is one of the BIGGEST challenges facing the Planet today.
JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I really thought you forgot your sarc tag at the end of your diatribe.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt & just assume you did.
Bcs as you should know, CO2 has never been demonstrated in the lab nor has it ever been demonstrated in DATA anywhere that it causes atmospheric temps to rise.
We all know by now that rising atmospheric temps cause more CO2 to be taken up into the atmosphere.
And an infinite amount of CO2 is NOT going to be collecting up there.
Of course I have already talked about this ad nauseum here for years.

So now a court will have the opportunity to interpret what the law meant and whether the EPA is following it. All that is perfectly legal….

JFKY on April 21, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Let us consider the fact that pretty much most all of what the EPA does for the Fed is illegal in of itself. As in that power is not enumerated to the Fed in the Constitution.
One can argue all day about legalities here.
But in the end, this agencies has power it has no legal right to have, per the Constitution.

Badger40 on April 22, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Memo to Governors – Just Do It.

Stop waiting for the tyrants in DC to bring an end to their meddling and restriction of this activity – Just. Do. It.

F*ck DC. F*ck the Tyrants.

Midas on May 12, 2013 at 2:38 PM