Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on April 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

Once the FBI learned the identities of the two brothers today, the FBI reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011, a foreign government asked the FBI for information about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.

In response to this 2011 request, the FBI checked U.S. government databases and other information to look for such things as derogatory telephone communications, possible use of online sites associated with the promotion of radical activity, associations with other persons of interest, travel history and plans, and education history. The FBI also interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and family members. The FBI did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign, and those results were provided to the foreign government in the summer of 2011. The FBI requested but did not receive more specific or additional information from the foreign government.

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One of the Boston bombing suspects set off alarm bells among his family a year ago during a trip here to visit relatives, ABC News has learned.

According to a family member, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was kicked out of his uncle’s house because of his increasingly extremist views

Members of Congress, however, say those six months last year were a turning point in Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s radicalization.

“When he came back he starting posting more radical jihadist YouTube videos and started becoming more of a fundamentalist Muslim,” Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, told ABC News Friday.

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LAURA SULLIVAN, BYLINE: Well, these women were close friends and roommates of Tamerlan’s girlfriend, Katherine Russell, and they knew him for several years while they were in college. They described Tamerlan as very controlling and very manipulative of their friend. They say he was combative and angry. He would often call her names and insult her. He would call her a slut and a prostitute, and they remember fights that they would get into where he would fly into rages and sometimes throw furniture or throw things…

He was arrested for domestic assault and battery, but it was of a different woman. They had an on-again, off-again relationship, Katherine Russell and Tamerlan, and that was at a different period in about 2009, but over the years that they knew Tamerlan, and they knew him through Katherine, they say that, you know, he had really changed a lot. That he had started off in 2007 sort of partying with them – he would smoke, and he would drink – and then sometime around 2008, they say he became very religious, and he stopped smoking, and he stopped drinking, and he stopped going out with them. And it was at that point that they say he demanded that Katherine also convert to Islam and cover herself…

They said that when they first met him, he didn’t seem particular political in any way, but that starting in about 2008 and 2009, they describe it as having an extremist point of view, that he started talking about being angry with the government, and he said that he felt that Islam was under attack.

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Online, it appears, Tamerlan toyed with extremism. A YouTube account created in Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s name in August 2012 includes in one playlist a video dedicated to the prophecy of the Black Banners of Khurasan, which is apparently embraced by Islamic extremists.

In another video, featured on a playlist entitled “terrorists,” a speaker holds an assault rifle and wears camouflage fatigues while flanked by armed men wearing masks.

“There will always be a group of people who will stick to the truth, fight for that truth,” the speaker says in Russian with an accent common to the Caucasus region that includes Chechnya. “And those who won’t support them will not win.”

The Globe could not confirm that the user was the same person as the bombing suspect who was killed in a shoot-out.

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There are signs that the brothers showed interest in the conflict in Syria, which has drawn al Qaida fighters and other militants from across the Muslim world and Europe, according to a U.S. counterterror official. Like others interviewed for this story, the official requested anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the ongoing case.

The brothers had viewed videos about the plight of Syrian Muslims, the official said. Syria is the latest hotspot on the world map of jihad. Holy warriors a decade ago were inspired by videos about brutal combat between jihadis and Russian troops in the brothers’ family homeland: the predominantly Muslim region of Chechnya, a breeding ground for al Qaida fighters in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

Tamerlan had viewed a video titled “I Dedicate My Life to Jihad,” according to a U.S. law enforcement official. The brothers also were apparently influenced by the online Inspire magazine, a slick English-language publication that plays a strong role in disseminating ideological tracts and bomb-making techniques to Western extremists, the U.S. counterterror official said.

“It’s like London, it’s like Madrid in the radicalization,” the counterterror official said. “These guys were produced by the international jihadist machine. The biggest thing is they were individuals willing to die. They were committed. There was interest in events overseas affecting Muslims. And a lot of Internet activity 2014 the things that everyone in the counterterror community worries about.”

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Siblings have historically been viral vectors for one another’s risky behaviors. A girl whose older sister is a teen mom is six times more likely to become one herself. Alcohol consumption is twice as likely among kids with at least one sibling who already drinks; for smoking the risk increases fourfold…

In the current case, there were a few factors that probably nudged those risk figures higher. For one thing, the young men lived together. Proximity is a critical element in what psychologists call “delinquency training” among siblings. This is true for lower-grade risk behaviors like smoking or drinking, since a younger sibling, who typically picks up the habit later than an older one, must be able to observe and model the bad behavior—to say nothing of getting hold of the forbidden substances in the first place…

That comparatively minor misbehavior could offer a flicker of insight into the brothers’ crime if it was suggestive that a deeper sociopathic fire was burning. Typically, the real variable in criminal collaboration is not so much the blood relationship of the perps, but the interpersonal relationship—the influence of a compelling, charismatic personality on another, weaker one.

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But should we think of the Tsarnaevs as a threat that was “homegrown”? Or “foreign”? Again, they are both. Both spent significant chunks of their youths in the United States. Especially in the case of Dzhokhar, who became a U.S. citizen on September 11, 2012, they seem to know little of their country of extraction. Both at least partially assimilated in the U.S. Some sources report that they were registered voters. Yet in their digital lives and their own words, they both identified themselves as Russians or Chechens first, displayed ambivalence or downright animosity to America, and seemed to feel that they could not adapt to or thrive in this country — a sense of being, in their uncle’s memorable phrase, “losers.” It would not be surprising to see evidence in the coming days and weeks that this alienation was causally wrapped up in the brothers’ radicalization. In that regard, we see Hasan again, but also Coloradan Anwar al-Awlaki and Sulayman al-Faris (formerly known as John Walker Lindh)…

Lastly, were the Tsarnaevs ideologues, evil, or “just nuts”? This might be the most complicated question. As with all the others, the best answer again is “all of the above.” This is speculative, but if early reports are borne out, we’ll see a portrait emerge of a dominant, pathological, and increasingly ideological older man who was the lead plotter and who had enlisted younger men as his accomplices and then wielded considerable psychological power over them. Here we see the murderous and perverted father-son dynamic of John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo, who in the fall of 2002 terrorized Washington, D.C., with a sniper rifle. That duo was a putrid mix of ideology, psychopathy, evil, and manipulation, and it would hardly be surprising if the full facts in the Tsarnaevs’ case reveal something much the same.

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One or both of the brothers might well have been in touch with Chechen separatists, whose Web sites they were reportedly reading. They could even have been in touch with al-Qaeda. But I wouldn’t jump to that conclusion. Chechen terrorists have in the past been more anti-Russian than pro-Islam. They are not known for being anti-American.

Look, instead, at another possibility, one that is in some ways more disturbing than the convenient “foreigners who hate us” explanation. Although very little has been confirmed, the behavior of the Tsarnaev brothers looks less like that of hardened, trained terrorists and far more closely resembles the second-generation European Muslims who staged bombings in Madrid, London and other European cities. Educated and brought up in Europe, these young men nevertheless felt out of place in Europe. Unable to integrate, some turned toward a half-remembered, half-mythological homeland in search of a firmer, fiercer identity. Often they did so with the help of a radical cleric like the one the Tsarnaev brothers may have known. “I do not have a single American friend,” Tamerlan Tsarnaev reportedly said of himself. That’s the kind of statement that might have been made by a young Pakistani living in Coventry, or a young Algerian living in Paris.

We don’t expect to hear it from someone who grew up in Boston, a city that has taught generations of foreigners to become Americans in a country that likes to think of itself as a melting pot. But now it might be time to change our expectations. These terrorists are a lot less like the 9/11 attackers — or the Columbine attackers — and a lot more like the men known as the Tube bombers of London or the train bombers of Spain. Our response is going to have to be different — very different — as well.

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It’s very weird to live in a society where mass death is important insofar as it serves the political needs of the dominant ideology. A white male loner killing white kindergartners in Connecticut is news; a black doctor butchering black babies in Pennsylvania is not. When the manhunt in Boston began, I received a bunch of e-mails sneering I was gagging for it to be the Muzzies just as hungrily as lefties were for it to be an NRA guy, a Tea Partier, a Sarah Palin donor. But, actually, I wasn’t. On Monday, it didn’t feel Islamic: a small death toll at a popular event but not one with the resonance and iconic quality the big-time jihadists like — like 9/11, the embassy bombings, the U.S.S. Cole. After all, if the jihad crowd wanted to blow up a few people here and there IRA-style they could have been doing it all this last decade.

On the other hand, it didn’t feel like one of those freelance bumblers — the Pantybomber, the Times Square Bomber — finally got lucky. It feels like something in between, something new. Is it just a one-off? Or a strategic evolution?

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“There certainly were mentors,’’ Tsarni said. “I was shocked when I heard his words, his phrases, when every other word he starts sticking in words of God. I question what he’s doing for work, (and) he claimed he would just put everything in the will of God. It was a big concern to me. He called me ‘confused’ when I started explaining to him, make yourself useful to yourself and to your family and maybe you’ll have extra to share with everybody else.

“It wasn’t devotion, it was something, as it’s called, being radicalized. Not understanding what he is talking (about). He is just using words for the sake of the words and not understanding the meaning of it.’’…

“He said there is someone who brainwashed him, some new convert to Islam,’’ Tsarni said. “I would like to stress (the acquaintance was) of Armenian descent.’’…

“It has nothing to do with Russia, (or) with Chechnya, which he had nothing to do with,’’ Tsarni said. “It started here.”

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Right on time..:)

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Quiet tonight.

gh on April 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM

The FBI had him on file..
but didn’t connect the dots…

Is this because there are way to many people on file in this area?

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM

There is no longer a gun behind every blade of grass and they know it.

There is no longer a culture of marksman here and they know it.

There is no longer a spirit of rugged individualism that requires neither maintenance nor help from the Government, and they know it.

There is no longer a vigilance in defense of liberty and they know it.

As a nation we are lazy and selfish and they know it.

Finally “The state that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards, and its fighting done by fools” -Thucydides

For Axe and Prime;)

MarshFox on April 20, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Lastly, were the Tsarnaevs ideologues, evil, or “just nuts”?

“The acted stupidly” – The Won

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Why? Simple recipe, really:

1 part crazy
1 part Islam

Mix well and wait for explosions.

RedNewEnglander on April 20, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Just sheer incompetence. There’s a nice screed at market ticker

gh on April 20, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Didn’t fit the profile of what they were looking for.

MarshFox on April 20, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Once the FBI learned the identities of the two brothers today, the FBI reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011, a foreign government asked the FBI for information about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.

In response to this 2011 request,

… NASA hired him as a spokesmuslim, as promoting islam is now NASA’s number one priority – as per the dictat from hussein, the dog-eating Sukarno copy occupooping the White House.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 20, 2013 at 8:39 PM

A white male loner killing white kindergartners in Connecticut is news; a black doctor butchering black babies in Pennsylvania is not

Shocked???
Welcome to America..

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Didn’t fit the profile of what they were looking for.

MarshFox on April 20, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Understand..
But there were photos of him at the marathon.

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I had to bring this over from the other thread. Too funny to waste.

I can hear AP getting ready to hit the town..

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:27 PM
I thought I heard the sound of spandex snapping.

Ronnie on April 20, 2013 at 8:28 PM

katy the mean old lady on April 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

katy the mean old lady on April 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I’m not his roommate or anything..
I live in Idaho…
:)

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:44 PM

That’s the kind of statement that might have been made by a young Pakistani living in Coventry,

Which they helped to turn into a cesspit!

OldEnglish on April 20, 2013 at 8:45 PM

The brothers should have just been stains on the sheets…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 8:45 PM

I don’t understand why the FBI couldn’t identify black hat when they had his pic to cross reference with their files on peopled “flagged” as threats in the Boston area. If they did that everything would’ve been so clear: his brother, the Russian angle, jihad, etc. Is our FBI really THAT bad?

Weight of Glory on April 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM

I don’t understand why the FBI couldn’t identify black hat when they had his pic to cross reference with their files on peopled “flagged” as threats in the Boston area. If they did that everything would’ve been so clear: his brother, the Russian angle, jihad, etc. Is our FBI really THAT bad?

Weight of Glory on April 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Yep.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Is our FBI really THAT bad?

Weight of Glory on April 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Unfortunately yes. They’ve been neutered by the PC police.

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Sorry, should have put a sarc tag, I was going with the TeaParty angle.

MarshFox on April 20, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I actually had an acquaintance insist to me this was the work of tea partiers on Wednesday…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM

If it’s al qaeda, it’s a precursor event. If it’s a precursor event, then there were several members of a terrorist cell with a future mission in the works there to watch the event. They would do this to harden the resolve of the cell and to let investors know the cell is legit and trustworthy.

They did this on 09/11/2000 in Fort Myers, Florida. It’s worth considering for next year’s anniversary. The main event is 1000 times as severe as the precursor event.

Buddahpundit on April 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM

State Run Media: What could possibly be these young men’s motivation…?

d1carter on April 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM

According to a family member, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was kicked out of his uncle’s house because of his increasingly extremist views…

^Anyone else noticing this? :)

Axe on April 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I actually had an acquaintance insist to me this was the work of tea partiers on Wednesday…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM

When I found out about the bombings I have to admit I thought immediately please oh please let this not be a nut they can tie to the tea party, the right wing, etc.

Terrible you even have to think that but look at the media and heck even Axelrod – they went there with zero proof.

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Great job Holder!

d1carter on April 20, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Anybody wonder if FBI is watching HA..?

d1carter on April 20, 2013 at 8:55 PM

They did this on 09/11/2000 in Fort Myers, Florida. It’s worth considering for next year’s anniversary. The main event is 1000 times as severe as the precursor event.

Buddahpundit on April 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Want to stop this? The US Government issues a declaration that anyone killed in a terrorist attack or its aftermath will be stuffed with raw bacon, wrapped in a fresh pigskin and buried. Anyone captured will be imprisoned downwind from a pig farm in the midwest.

AZfederalist on April 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM

The FBI had him on file..
but didn’t connect the dots…

Is this because there are way to many people on file in this area?

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM

I wonder if anyone ever took down Jamie Gorelick’s wall. You know, the one that allowed 9/11 to happen.

Odysseus on April 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Anyone else noticing this? :)

Axe on April 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Yup. But this case is very similar to the second and third generation pakistani immigrants in britain and the FBI were warned about this specific individual. The London bombing was when? 2005?

gh on April 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Anybody wonder if FBI is watching HA..?

d1carter on April 20, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Probably, but they’re mostly functional illiterates who just like to look at the pictures on the front page.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

State Run Media: What could possibly be these young men’s motivation…?

d1carter on April 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Back in Tucson..
A friend of Jared said that Jared was a typical teen.
Listened to music and played games.
He wasn’t involved in politics..

But when you watched his home video of him on the campus of what was his college..
He spoke left wing rhetoric throughout the video..
Where did he pick that language up?

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I know, darlin’
They always want to blame our side for everything…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Why?

It could be Cheney. It could be Jack-in-the-Box nutritional information. It could be Call-of-Duty. It cannot be Islam. We have been told so.

Limerick on April 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I wonder if anyone ever took down Jamie Gorelick’s wall. You know, the one that allowed 9/11 to happen.

Odysseus on April 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Bush did..
But was the wall rebuilt recently?

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Lastly, were the Tsarnaevs ideologues, evil, or “just nuts”?

See: “Peace, Religion Of”.

bofh on April 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM

funny how GOP Senators want to deny him constitutional rights

if only he was a gun or a fetus *sigh*

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 8:59 PM

WHY?

Yes, WHY are their any questions about the actions of these two muslims? We need to stop asking WHY muslims kill and WHY they hate America; these are simply irrefutable facts – it doesn’t matter WHY. It is time for America to stand up to the muslim world once and for all and tell them that we are not going to take it any more.

Pork-Chop on April 20, 2013 at 8:59 PM

NeverViolent my *ss,er,Gluteus Maximus/Minimus!!

Boston Marathon explosion

Mosque says Boston Marathon bombing suspects were ‘occasional visitors,’ never violent – @NBCNews

5 mins ago from usnews.nbcnews.com by editor
===============================================

4 Min.Ago

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/20/17842358-mosque-says-bombing-suspects-were-occasional-visitors-never-violent?lite

canopfor on April 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM

funny how GOP Senators want to deny him constitutional rights

if only he was a gun or a fetus *sigh*

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Funny how Obama denied an American his constitutional rights and droned him..
Just because he was linked to Al-Qeada.

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM

… let this not be a nut they can tie to the tea party, the right wing, etc. …
gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I do the same but.

Do you notice, it never is?

gh on April 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM

I wonder if anyone ever took down Jamie Gorelick’s wall. You know, the one that allowed 9/11 to happen.

Odysseus on April 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

who was president when 9/11 happened? and who was president when Osama bit the big one?

case.

closed.

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:02 PM

canopfor on April 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Yeah, of course they weren’t violent at the mosque. They saved the violence for mainstream America…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 9:03 PM

LAURA SULLIVAN, BYLINE: Well, these women were close friends and roommates of Tamerlan’s girlfriend, Katherine Russell, and they knew him for several years while they were in college. They described Tamerlan as very controlling and very manipulative of their friend. They say he was combative and angry. He would often call her names and insult her. He would call her a slut and a prostitute, and they remember fights that they would get into where he would fly into rages and sometimes throw furniture or throw things…

Must be enormously frustrating. You either get her locked down completely, or you have to give up control altogether. Everything in the middle is strife and fury. And in the West, she’s free altogether, so there’s only one path to peace inside. You have to give up control altogether.

Same as everything else. Enslave it or allow it to be free. I get hammered for not being a “patriot” because I shrug at where the country will go. Really, it’s just not mine to decide. Just my little part. I’ll do my little part.

Unless Islam wins — in which case I want four wives who are ready for some intrigue, ’cause I’m going for it. We’re hacking to the top — and then we’ll see, yes precious, then we’ll see who does what.

– But mostly, it’s just better to let free things be free.

Axe on April 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Want to stop this? The US Government issues a declaration that anyone killed in a terrorist attack or its aftermath will be stuffed with raw bacon, wrapped in a fresh pigskin and buried. Anyone captured will be imprisoned downwind from a pig farm in the midwest.

AZfederalist on April 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM

How about every time we identify the terrorist as a Muslim, we select a Muslim-majority city at random and nuke it? Harsh, sure, but we will only have to do it once or twice. Then, instead of kicking him out of his house for being too radical, Tamerlan’s uncle would have murdered him and buried him in the back yard.

Odysseus on April 20, 2013 at 9:04 PM

who was president when 9/11 happened? and who was president when Osama bit the big one?

case.

closed.

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Are you still going to stick to that?
9/11 happened because of relax security and failed opportunities by the Clinton administration.
This can’t be fixed overnight..
But you knew that.

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

I do the same but.

Do you notice, it never is?

gh on April 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM

It never even comes close.

I’m just afraid that if it ever is – well let’s not even go there.

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Here is a timeline I compiled from the UK Daily Mail 04-20-13
I had to re arrange to get a timeline:

School officials say that the 26-year-old attended classes there for three semesters: fall 2006, spring 2007 and fall 2008.

Family members said he was unemployed.

No source of income has ever been identified

Family members reported that Tamerlan seemed to become more devout from 2009.

Once the FBI learned the identities of the two brothers today, the FBI reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011, a foreign government asked the FBI for information about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. – fbi report

Friends revealed that Tamerlan was changed by the murder of best friend Brendan Mess.
Two years ago Mess and two other men – Raphael Teken and Erik Weissman – were murdered on September 12, 2011.
Their bodies were found covered in marijuana in an apartment in Waltham, Massachusetts, and had their throats slit with a knife or ice pick.
Initially police said two other people had been there on the day and they were looking to question them although no one has ever been charged.

Killed the day after 9-11-11

Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center owner John Allan said Tsarnaev and Mess used to work out at his gym together but Tsarnaev stopped coming after Mess was murdered.

The event clearly still haunted Tsarnaev as recently as last week when he suddenly returned to his old gym and started acting unusually.

Travel records obtained by the station show that the 26-year-old left New York January 12, 2012, en route to Moscow. He returned to JFK July 17.

Documents show a photo of a bearded Tsarnaev.

He had a channel on YouTube opened in August 2012 and five months ago created a playlist dedicated to terrorism.
Named simply ‘Terrorists,’ the playlist included a pair of videos, which are now no longer available.
Among the songs on his playlists was one called ‘I will dedicate my life to Jihad.’ He also featured videos recorded by recent converts to Islam.

Something wierd about the friend’s throat cutting murder. Was Tamerlan anywhere near that scene when the crime happened?

entagor on April 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:02 PM

And who was president who declined to hit Osama when he had the chance in 1998? Douche Bear indeed.

gh on April 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

When y’all are ready to go off topic, I’ll be back.

This is cutting into my drinking time.

cozmo on April 20, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Yup. But this case is very similar to the second and third generation pakistani immigrants in britain and the FBI were warned about this specific individual. The London bombing was when? 2005?

gh on April 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM

further back

Axe on April 20, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Why.

I S L A M.

VorDaj on April 20, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I do the same but.

Do you notice, it never is?

gh on April 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM

If it ever happens, the LSM will crow, “We were always right all along!”

Liam on April 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

It never even comes close.

I’m just afraid that if it ever is – well let’s not even go there.

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

I get where you are coming from, but our side (for the most part) are not cold-blooded killers…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Yes, WHY are their any questions about the actions of these two muslims? We need to stop asking WHY muslims kill and WHY they hate America; these are simply irrefutable facts – it doesn’t matter WHY. It is time for America to stand up to the muslim world once and for all and tell them that we are not going to take it any more.

Pork-Chop on April 20, 2013 at 8:59 PM

so you wanna blow up the entire muslim world because of this event? but you aren’t willing to blow up all white people or even change one gun law after crazy white guys like holmes, lougner and lanza used guns to kill far more?

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM

This is cutting into my drinking time.

cozmo on April 20, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I am drinking right now..
*clink*

you can do the same..

I will buy..
First round though..

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I like the angry uncle Ruslan better :)

nonpartisan on April 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM

FBI = Friendly Benefactor of Islam.

VorDaj on April 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I get where you are coming from, but our side (for the most part) are not cold-blooded killers…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Thank God.

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

That duo was a putrid mix of ideology, psychopathy, evil, and manipulation pure Islam

VorDaj on April 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM

who was president when 9/11 happened? and who was president when Osama bit the big one?

case.

closed.

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:02 PM

LOL. Who tried to prosecute the CIA officers who interrogated the terrorists and got the info on obama bin laden? Who tried to bring KSM and Co. to NYC for a nice civilian trial?

You people are pathetic lowlifes. It’s funny when you try to pretend you’re such tough guys, though. You advocate for muslim terrorists and then claim that you’re the biggest terrorist fighters on Earth. Nidal Hassan carried out workplace violence, though, and the worst thing that could come of his terrorism is that the military “diversity” might suffer. You attack Americans and then claim you’re the most patriotic people around. You burn American flags and then claim that you love the flag and everyone who respects the Constitution is a domestic terrorist. Do you really think anyopne buys your BS? ROFLMAO.

I am glad that you are all for assas-sinations, now, though. Pouring water on an admitted terrorist is a crime against inhumanity … but you plugged obama bin laden. Yay!! It didn’t seem to stop the terrorism, though.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

MeanWhile,back at Boston Mosque…..

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

April 20, 2013

Boston-Muslim Community Proud of Our Law Enforcement and City; Re-opens Today

The Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center and the Boston-Muslim Community is proud of our law enforcement officials in apprehending the second Boston bombing suspect. We are also proud of our Boston community in immediately providing tips to law enforcement officials in apprehending these suspects.

While we are all relieved for our weeklong nightmare to end, we are also deeply troubled and saddened. Yesterday, one of our police officers was brutally killed and another injured. We cannot help but feel angry that all this has happened to our city.

Details emerged yesterday that both these suspects had been known to our Boston Community – to our public schools, to their local boxing club, to one of our faith communities at the Cambridge mosque, and even to the FBI. Yet, no one inside of these institutions was able to predict these acts of terror by the alleged suspects. This hurts, and we wish we all – our faith community and all the institutions listed above – could have done something to prevent this.

Presently, our focus will remain on grieving for the victims and their families, praying for a speedy recovery for the injured, and leaving no stone uncovered in finding any other suspects connected to the bombings.

We once again emphatically urge any of our congregants who have any additional information on the Boston bombings or the suspects to immediately call 1800 CALL-FBI .

As the sun rises again on Boston this morning, let us ensure that these acts of terror do not destroy Boston’s spirit of unity, compassion, and pulling together highlighted in President Obama’s speech last night. It is this spirit that allowed us to weather the storm that we all faced this week and it’s that unity that will guide us moving forward.

In light of this spirit, the ISBCC will be open today for prayers. The ISBCC health team will be providing consistent drop-in hours over the next two weeks in the café, starting today from 1-2 pm for community members to collectively or individually share with a counselor how they are feeling and processing the events over the last week. Finally, the ISBCC asks our whole community to join us for an important Greater Boston Interfaith Prayer Gathering with Senate Candidates tomorrow at St. Mark’s Parish at 1725 Dorchester Ave, Dorchester, MA to reflect on the events over the last week.

http://isbcc.org/

canopfor on April 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

funny how GOP Senators want to deny him constitutional rights

if only he was a gun or a fetus *sigh*

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 8:59 PM

What a loss of concentration. Barry is President. Barry appointed Holder. Holder’s DOJ didn’t read him his rights. I didn’t know the GOP had Barry and Holder in their pocket. Thanks for the info.

Limerick on April 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Are the thread nannies around? Because I have questions for anyone well versed in concrete or mortar. (None kinetic weapons type mortar)

hawkdriver on April 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

I actually had an acquaintance insist to me this was the work of tea partiers on Wednesday…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Next time, ask your acquaintance to share with you just a single example of Tea Party violence. Just one. Just one tiny example.

Rational Thought on April 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I get where you are coming from, but our side (for the most part) are not cold-blooded killers…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Thank God.

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

We should start cold-blooded killing just a few people, pick up the moderate vote. All the closed-minded ideology just keeps us from winning elections.

Axe on April 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Thank God.

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

They did manage to tie McViegh to us…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Yeah, of course they weren’t violent at the mosque. They saved the violence for mainstream America…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 9:03 PM

yeah they should have stuck to guns like real amurrricans

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I like the angry uncle Ruslan better :)

nonpartisan on April 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Why?
He distance himself from lunatics in Boston..
What do you have against Bostonians and the way they raise their kids?

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

so you wanna blow up the entire muslim world because of this event? but you aren’t willing to blow up all white people or even change one gun law after crazy white guys like holmes, lougner and lanza used guns to kill far more?

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM

White people isn’t a death cult, Islam is.

VorDaj on April 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Are the thread nannies around? Because I have questions for anyone well versed in concrete or mortar. (None kinetic weapons type mortar)

hawkdriver on April 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Everyone knows that fire can’t melt…pressure cookers.

Rational Thought on April 20, 2013 at 9:13 PM

We should start cold-blooded killing just a few people, pick up the moderate vote. All the closed-minded ideology just keeps us from winning elections.

Axe on April 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

That made me laugh :)

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM

*clink!*

KCB on April 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM

It’s really amazing to watch all the handwringing on all of these shows, including Fox, as to why they would have done this. When a M-u-s-l-i-m is involved it’s the story of the scorpion and the frog. Here’s the abridged version:

A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the
scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The
frog asks, “How do I know you won’t sting me?” The scorpion
says, “Because if I do, I will die too.”

The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,
the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of
paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,
but has just enough time to gasp “Why?”

Replies the scorpion: “Because I’m a scorpion and that’s what I do…”

TxAnn56 on April 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM

In another video, featured on a playlist entitled “terrorists,” a speaker holds an assault rifle and wears camouflage fatigues while flanked by armed men wearing masks.

Posted on youtube, huh??? Really. Now ain’t that just dandy. It’s 12 years after 9/11 and the FBI isn’t crawling up the ass of a guy who posted a Hamas/Hezbollah wannabe youtube video???? WTF does a guy have to do to get picked up? wait, don’t answer that….

ted c on April 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Are the thread nannies around? Because I have questions for anyone well versed in concrete or mortar. (None kinetic weapons type mortar)

hawkdriver on April 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

I saw you ask that earlier . . . I’m scared to say anything because we can be pretty sloppy about that down here (no frost line, not really) and back in the fencing days, we just shoveled in the cement and remix and hosed it till it looked right. :) Could sort of almost help.

Axe on April 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Hey professor, you know the QOTD is pretty well established for taking it back a notch and not making hyperbolic, cage poking comments every 2 minutes, right?

hawkdriver on April 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM

MarshFox on April 20, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Well said MarshFox!

Evening All

CoffeeLover on April 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Next time, ask your acquaintance to share with you just a single example of Tea Party violence. Just one. Just one tiny example.

Rational Thought on April 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I try not to engage him when I run into him. He segued from tea partiers being at blame into gay marriage and the Catholic and Lutheran churches. It was a very strange convo…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Please share, Dbear, your e-mail to Obama and Holder about your outrage at their denying White Hat his rights. Come on, don’t be shy.

Limerick on April 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM

That made me laugh :)

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 9:13 PM

:)

Axe on April 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM

yeah they should have stuck to guns like real amurrricans

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:12 PM

F-

They would never be real Americans..
Because real Americans don’t bomb their neighbors..

But you knew that.

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:16 PM

we can’t even post certain words like R3V0looshun around here without it trippin’ triggers n’ such. I guess HotAir has higher standards than the FBI for its TOS protocols, eh??

ted c on April 20, 2013 at 9:16 PM

There is no longer a gun behind every blade of grass and they know it.

There is no longer a culture of marksman here and they know it.

There is no longer a spirit of rugged individualism that requires neither maintenance nor help from the Government, and they know it.

There is no longer a vigilance in defense of liberty and they know it.

As a nation we are lazy and selfish and they know it.

Finally “The state that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards, and its fighting done by fools” -Thucydides

For Axe and Prime ;)

MarshFox on April 20, 2013 at 8:37 PM

.
. . . . . . . Y E A H ! ! ! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
I hereby nominate this for “Comment Of The Year”.

listens2glenn on April 20, 2013 at 9:16 PM

KCB on April 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM

You just did that because I am buyin’

:)

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:17 PM

I try not to engage him when I run into him. He segued from tea partiers being at blame into gay marriage and the Catholic and Lutheran churches. It was a very strange convo…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM

He must be related to my sister who said Pope Francis is more dangerous than Obama because of his stance on gay marriage.

I swear she’s adopted.

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Evening All

CoffeeLover on April 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM

*clink*

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

F-

They would never be real Americans..
Because real Americans don’t bomb their neighbors..

But you knew that.

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:16 PM

yeah, real Americans legally buy weapons of war and mow down people in schools, malls, movie theaters, churches, abortion clinics….

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

hawkdriver on April 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM
I saw you ask that earlier . . . I’m scared to say anything because we can be pretty sloppy about that down here (no frost line, not really) and back in the fencing days, we just shoveled in the cement and remix and hosed it till it looked right. :) Could sort of almost help.

Axe on April 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Sorry, but you bit and you’re on the hook. I’m going to ask several question now. You have to answer them all and if any of the projects fail, I’m going to sue you. It’s the American way.

(Your only hope is if someone else that claims to be better versed with either concrete or mortar jumps in and takes responsibility)

Are you ready?

hawkdriver on April 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

The melting of the 7 inches of snow this week has produced some wicked icicles on my deck. Now if it was January I could appreciate them more. April 20 – not so much

gophergirl on April 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM

hawkdriver on April 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Shoot, its more interesting than rehashing the same old stuff. And the troll are too stupid to know about craftsmanship.

And just so you know, mortar can make for a pretty effective kinetic energy weapon.

cozmo on April 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM

who was president when 9/11 happened?

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:02 PM

William Jefferson Clinton

and who was president when Osama bit the big one?

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:02 PM

George W. Bush

case.

closed.

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:02 PM

It is closed.

Democrat administrations — and the federal bureaucracies they fill (which takes time to replace) — are incredibly incompetent.

Clinton did a lousy job following Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, etc. and left the newly minted Bush administration a mess to clean up. The Bush administration, sadly, inherited a great deal of failure and incompetence from the administration prior. :-(

Punchenko on April 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

You just did that because I am buyin’

:)

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Well…Yeah!!

KCB on April 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

canopfor on April 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Yeah, of course they weren’t violent at the mosque. They saved the violence for mainstream America…

OmahaConservative on April 20, 2013 at 9:03 PM

OmahaConservative:

Good to hear from you OC,hope everything is tickety-boo in your world,

and your point,is too the point,exactly:)

canopfor on April 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

yeah, real Americans legally buy weapons of war and mow down people in schools, malls, movie theaters, churches, abortion clinics….

DBear on April 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Where did they get their education?

America is not perfect and is becoming less so..
Why is that?

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:21 PM

America vs. Itself.

The “ethno-masochists” are in mourning. They didn’t get their man. Their white man. That bitter-clinger, church-going,Tea Party patriot of their dreams. This thwarted desire — seething, pulsing, coursing through the flow of commentary all week — was the ugly undercurrent to our national stress over another Islamic terrorist attack, this time in Boston, that has again torn at our civlizational fabric. But something else is tearing at that same fabric. And that is the fact that more than anything else, the Left wanted this terrorism to have been plotted and inflicted by one of our own.

For more than a decade, we have been holding our breath and shutting eyes to make “they” disappear from our minds, anyway, which is where it counts. Now, “they” don’t even exist in our collectively vetted imagination. Consider how in the aftermath of the Boston attack, which displayed every sign of an Islamic attack — or, at least, an Islamic copycat attack — logical, rational speculation that the attack was an act of jihad was suppressed or derided in the public square. The president wouldn’t call it even generic terrorism at first. One of his career-long closest advisors, David Axelrod, explained why: “I’m sure what was going through the president’s mind is — we really don’t know who did this — it was tax day.”

Bombs kill and maim marathon runners in downtown Boston and the President of the United States’ first thought is tax day. Either this is one warped mind, or this just another calculation to deceive and self-deceive.

Even now, news stories and analysts continue to wonder or ignore why in the world these nice young men did such a terrible thing — an old chestnut, by now, of post-jihad coverage. Maybe the reporters and experts struggling for words really don’t know how else to operate. Under Bush and Obama both, we as a society have systematically stripped the most basic, incontrovertible words that describe “they” from our speeches and debate and conversation. By official orders from the top, the texts and teachings that explain why “they” (Muslims) do what “they” do (jihad) have similarly been removed from educational materials and the classroom, especially the educational materials and classrooms of our law enforcement and military. It is evidence of a “phobia” to bring such texts and teachings up in conversation, and they never enter political debate. It is cause for professional and moral ostracism even to use the words that “they” themselves use to communicate, whether “they” be Islamic statesmen or Islamic jihadists. Our silence is symptomatic of our psychic surrender, which is the gravest kind.

Still, some explanation is required for the horrors visited upon us. Someone attacked, maimed and killed innocents in Boston. Not “they,” of course. There is no “they.” We have met the enemy and he is “us,” just as all those Vietnam movies used to tell us. The enemy is America. America is why they hate us, and we hate America, too. Civilization torn asunder.
- Diana West

VorDaj on April 20, 2013 at 9:21 PM

ugh GG!!!

***CLINK*** right back at ya EG~

CoffeeLover on April 20, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Are you ready?

hawkdriver on April 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

My life had so much potential once.

Axe on April 20, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Dbear, what does 9-11 and Osama have to do with Obama denying White Hat his rights? I don’t think his crimes happened at either of those dates, unless you have more information you’d like to share on it.

Limerick on April 20, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Well…Yeah!!

KCB on April 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

*clink*

Second round for you..:)

Electrongod on April 20, 2013 at 9:22 PM

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