Video: “These guys had a plan”

posted at 8:19 am on April 19, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

I’m covering the breaking news on the search for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in the main thread, but this is a good backgrounder for what comes next, as well as what came before.  Former FBI agent Don Borelli says this reminds him of the Mumbai attack, watching the suspects “move with a purpose.”  Borelli warned that we can’t come to conclusions, but we will be “relying on our foreign intelligence partners.”

I’d say that the same calm and purpose shows training specific to the task, as well as the shootout, but they could just have trained each other.  We’ll see soon enough.

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Are they Ceylons?!

(Sorry – bit of levity this morning)

Skywise on April 19, 2013 at 8:22 AM

hey, thought of this idea: non-citizens cannot own guns

would gun rights folks be amenable to that?

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM

“They had a plan” huh. How hard hitting. I was sure it was a whim.

Marcus on April 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM

But the REAL danger is from bagger hate groups, right MSNBC? That’s what the SPLC tells us.

juliesa on April 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM

hey, thought of this idea: non-citizens cannot own guns

would gun rights folks be amenable to that?

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Pressure cookers, too, and it’s a deal.

Marcus on April 19, 2013 at 8:25 AM

We can only speculate as to what these young men’s motives were. Part of a right-wing militia from Chechnya perhaps…

Alexis on April 19, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

I’d like to buy a vowel, Pat.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 19, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Still more illegal guns used in crime. What will the whiney jug ears in the white house say about another islamic attack on US SOIL, and under his watch.

stephana on April 19, 2013 at 8:31 AM

“They had a plan” huh. How hard hitting. I was sure it was a whim.

Marcus on April 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Yeah, I’m sure these two were sitting around one Saturday night drinking beers, watching girls walk by, checking the game running on the TV and one of them suddenly looked at the other and asked “Hey, ever wonder how many people we could maim and kill with a bomb made from a pressure cooker?”

pilamaye on April 19, 2013 at 8:32 AM

What will the whiney jug ears in the white house say about another islamic attack on US SOIL, and under his watch.

stephana on April 19, 2013 at 8:31 AM

That it is now the time for comprehensive pressure cooker control!

pilamaye on April 19, 2013 at 8:33 AM

Still more illegal guns used in crime. What will the whiney jug ears in the white house say about another islamic attack on US SOIL, and under his watch.

stephana on April 19, 2013 at 8:31 AM

how do you know they were illegal guns?

I think seriously that the president should propose overturning the 2nd amendment…background checks would achieve nothing. we need elimination of all guns.

if these two nuts didnt have guns, a police officer would not have died and they would’ve been in custody. but guns leveled the playing field between 2 teens and a squadron of officers and agents.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Background checks….check.
Amnesty…check.
Gun free zones…check.
Immigration laws…check.

Yeah..
I feel safe.

Electrongod on April 19, 2013 at 8:35 AM

I’m sure they had ‘a plan’.

Not a good plan.

Not a well thought out plan.

Not a plan with any real foresight.

But, yes, it is to be admitted they had a plan.

ajacksonian on April 19, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Evidently the plan didn’t include a car to get out of Cambridge.

greggriffith on April 19, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 19, 2013 at 8:31 AM

:-)

Alexis on April 19, 2013 at 8:38 AM

I think seriously that the president should propose overturning the 2nd amendment…background checks would achieve nothing. we need elimination of all guns.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM

We have that. It’s called Chicago.

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 8:38 AM

how do you know they were illegal guns?

I think seriously that the president should propose overturning the 2nd amendment…background checks would achieve nothing. we need elimination of all guns.

if these two nuts didnt have guns, a police officer would not have died and they would’ve been in custody. but guns leveled the playing field between 2 teens and a squadron of officers and agents.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM

You’re an idiot. First of all, the President can’t overturn the 2nd amendment? He’s not a king or dictator. Secondly, these brothers killed plenty of folks without the use of firearms. Were you in a coma on Monday? And thirdly, it doesn’t really appear to me that they have much regard for the law. So even if Obama “overturned” the 2nd amendment and “eliminated all guns”, that doesn’t mean a couple of terrorists seeking to do harm won’t be able to get their hands on some illegally. What it would mean however is that any law-abiding citizens who are unfortunate enough to cross paths with them would be unarmed and at their mercy.

Doughboy on April 19, 2013 at 8:38 AM

I think seriously that the president should propose overturning the 2nd amendment…background checks would achieve nothing. we need elimination of all guns.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM

You would throw yourself onto a bad guy with a gun..

Electrongod on April 19, 2013 at 8:38 AM

‘Right-wing Militia’, Alexis?? Uhh, the Chechens terrorists in the past were ISLAMISTS, were they not?

michaelo on April 19, 2013 at 8:38 AM

hey, thought of this idea: non-citizens cannot own guns

would gun rights folks be amenable to that?

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM

BUT your real stance is YOU want to ban guns for everybody. So I don’t buy a word you’re selling .

CW on April 19, 2013 at 8:39 AM

So much for white guys and right wing extremists…liberal jackasses

crosshugger on April 19, 2013 at 8:39 AM

if these two nuts didnt have guns, a police officer would not have died and they would’ve been in custody. but guns leveled the playing field between 2 teens and a squadron of officers and agents.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Now if we could just include pressure cookers.

You are an idiot.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

I think seriously that the president should propose overturning the 2nd amendment…
nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM

In my best British aristocrat accent: “Oh, please have him do propose that.”

Marcus on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Doughboy on April 19, 2013 at 8:38 AM

the president could pass an executive order making a temp ban of guns and then get congress to pass legislation to amend the 2nd amendment

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

They also had GRENADES, apparently. Hardly a legal weapon. Criminal WILL obtains guns and other weaponry by any means necessary. It’s a matter of whether LAW-ABIDING citizens have guns as well.

michaelo on April 19, 2013 at 8:41 AM

So much for white guys and right wing extremists…liberal jackasses

crosshugger on April 19, 2013 at 8:39 AM

they are white…not that it matters

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:42 AM

I think seriously that the president should propose overturning the 2nd amendment…background checks would achieve nothing. we need elimination of all guns.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM

And I am sure that every criminal from here to Timbuktu will all fall in lock-step and comply by immediately turning over all their guns!

Tell me, do you also believe that fairies and wood nymphs happen to tend your background garden?

pilamaye on April 19, 2013 at 8:42 AM

:-)

Alexis on April 19, 2013 at 8:38 AM

:D

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 19, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Former FBI agent Don Borelli says this reminds him of the Mumbai attack, watching the suspects “move with a purpose.” Borelli warned that we can’t come to conclusions, but we will be “relying on our foreign intelligence partners.”

I’m glad to see the people in charge are caught up with the rest of the intelligent beings on the planet.

It would be nice, though, if he just said that they think this to be more than a “lone wolf” type situation and that there are connections, tenuous at the very least, to established causes and similar activities.

Dusty on April 19, 2013 at 8:42 AM

They also had GRENADES, apparently. Hardly a legal weapon. Criminal WILL obtains guns and other weaponry by any means necessary. It’s a matter of whether LAW-ABIDING citizens have guns as well.

michaelo on April 19, 2013 at 8:41 AM

the grenades didnt do anything, it was the guns that were effective

also, the grenades could’ve been homemade and not purchased

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:43 AM

the president could pass an executive order making a temp ban of guns and then get congress to pass legislation to amend the 2nd amendment

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

An executive order banning all guns? And how would that be enforced? Send in the military and national guard into every home and gun store in the country? Are you actually trying to lay the groundwork for a rev0lution?

Doughboy on April 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Fox is reporting they have been here since 2003 and still had no American friends.

celticdefender on April 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM

MSNBC reporting that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev once wrote a school report about the Boston Tea Party, definitively linking him with the Tea Party.

/

Red Cloud on April 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

I see nonpartisan is trying it’s best to stir the pot while sipping Jasmine tea with it’s little finger crooked.

docflash on April 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

they are white…not that it matters

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Actually the thing that matters is they are killers who are Muslim and foreign. You know perfect liberal voters.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

the president could pass an executive order making a temp ban of guns and then get congress to pass legislation to amend the 2nd amendment

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

You are thinking of an EMPEROR there, not a PRESIDENT.

And here I thought that Leftists were against EMPIRES and FOR FREEDOM, but that is not the case, is it?

Glad you have taken side with the Imperialists, that must free you up from so much subterfuge of pretending to be about freedom and liberty… while you are all about power. Thanks for that! I can mark you down with the Putins, Kims, Assads and others of their ilk. Along with regimes in Cuba, China and Burma.

Oh, BTW, the President doesn’t get to pass Amendments, the States and Congress do. Glad you got your true colors out through your ignorance, though.

ajacksonian on April 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

how do you know they were illegal guns?

I think seriously that the president should propose overturning the 2nd amendment…background checks would achieve nothing. we need elimination of all guns.

if these two nuts didnt have guns, a police officer would not have died and they would’ve been in custody. but guns leveled the playing field between 2 teens and a squadron of officers and agents.

[nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM]

LOL.

Dusty on April 19, 2013 at 8:47 AM

the president could pass an executive order making a temp ban of guns and then get congress to pass legislation to amend the 2nd amendment

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

An executive order banning all guns? And how would that be enforced? Send in the military and national guard into every home and gun store in the country? Are you actually trying to lay the groundwork for a rev0lution?

Doughboy on April 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Partisan is naive as all h8ll. I don’t think he understands the amendment process either. Not in the least.Just not the brightest bulb.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

the president could pass an executive order making a temp ban of guns and then get congress to pass legislation to amend the 2nd amendment

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Hilarious. Executive orders trump the Constituion so long as they’re temporary and Congress can amend the Bill of Rights. Did you sneak into Law Lecturer Obama’s Con Law classes?

Barnestormer on April 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Remember how we thought that the 1993 WTC bombing didn’t go further than the blind sheik? Don’t be so sure that these two perps were/are acting alone.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

See if we only passed that background check
joe

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

I think seriously that the president should propose overturning the 2nd amendment…

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM

And while he is at it, maybe he will propose overturning that other ammendment about how a President can only serve two terms.

You or anyone else out proposing the overturning of the 2nd Amendment give that other notion any thought?

pilamaye on April 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Oh, BTW, the President doesn’t get to pass Amendments, the States and Congress do. Glad you got your true colors out through your ignorance, though.

ajacksonian on April 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Truly scary. The low info voters are truly killing us.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Partisan is naive as all h8ll. I don’t think he understands the amendment process either. Not in the least.Just not the brightest bulb.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Or about a volt short of a AAA battery.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 8:49 AM

We should make hand grenades illegal too. Oh, and bombs.

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 8:50 AM

the president could pass an executive order making a temp ban of guns and then get congress to pass legislation to amend the 2nd amendment

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Einstein Feinstein has inside info that the guns were obtained legally.

antipc on April 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM

‘Right-wing Militia’, Alexis?? Uhh, the Chechens terrorists in the past were ISLAMISTS, were they not?

michaelo on April 19, 2013 at 8:38 AM

That was sarcasm. The fact that wasn’t very clear more or less defeats the purpose, I guess… :-) It’s obviously highly likely that these guys were either affiliated with the Caucasian Emirate, or otherwise inspired by AQ’s nutcase ideology.

Alexis on April 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Truly scary. The low info voters are truly killing us.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 8:49 AM

The truly scary part is the belief that power is the panacea to all things bad, and that government power exists outside of the people.

The Bill of Rights are to protect our natural rights as well as our civil rights, and trying to overturn Amendment II is trying to overturn BOTH civil and natural rights and never, ever works without the people becoming enslaved. That is why they love NoKo and Mr. Kim, any of them. And their attraction to China, Cuba, their submissive attitude towards Putin… the love of power has no ends, only means, and evil means they are.

ajacksonian on April 19, 2013 at 8:53 AM

the president could pass an executive order making a temp ban of guns and then get congress to pass legislation to amend the 2nd amendment

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Um, the President has no authority to make an executive order to ban guns. Your statement is worse than silly…it’s ox stupid.

And you still need 3/4 of the states to sign onto the repeal of the 2A, champ.

You’re not so good at this governing stuff, are you?

JohnTant on April 19, 2013 at 8:55 AM

That was sarcasm. The fact that wasn’t very clear more or less defeats the purpose, I guess… :-) It’s obviously highly likely that these guys were either affiliated with the Caucasian Emirate, or otherwise inspired by AQ’s nutcase ideology.

Alexis on April 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Your sarcasm was very obvious to me.

juliesa on April 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM

People like Partisan are the reason we have the 2A.

juliesa on April 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM

but guns leveled the playing field between 2 teens and a squadron of officers and agents.

[nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM]

You are right, the cops got to plug him before the nut got close enough to use the bombs he had all over him.

But what am I saying, bombs aren’t as effective as guns, so the cops would have been totally fine.

Just stop. It really is just sad now.

Gatsu on April 19, 2013 at 9:00 AM

People like Partisan are the reason we have the 2A.

juliesa on April 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM

No Doubt!!

CW on April 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM

The truly scary part is the belief that power is the panacea to all things bad, and that government power exists outside of the people.

The Bill of Rights are to protect our natural rights as well as our civil rights, and trying to overturn Amendment II is trying to overturn BOTH civil and natural rights and never, ever works without the people becoming enslaved. That is why they love NoKo and Mr. Kim, any of them. And their attraction to China, Cuba, their submissive attitude towards Putin… the love of power has no ends, only means, and evil means they are.

ajacksonian on April 19, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Even if their motives were pure they don’t see the big picture nor the unintended consequences.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 9:03 AM

I’ll be Bibi is just falling all over himself to supply us with intelligence information.

Or how about the Benghazi CIA office?

“We have a lot more important things to move along to than Benghazi.”
Secretary of State John Kerry.

Stepan on April 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Even if their motives were pure they don’t see the big picture nor the unintended consequences.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 9:03 AM

To those inside the bubble their motives are pure.

They cannot think outside of the Leftist gospel and cannot accept a world that does not conform to their beliefs.

This gets only rivers of bloods washing on their feet.

One begins to suspect this is what they want: all protestations by them to the contrary are seen as cover for enslavement and killing. And yet those are now just tissue thin and transparent… you can see the evil behind the protests and yet they think they are so clever that no one will see that.

ajacksonian on April 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Chief and his three stooges (Kery,Hagel and a brain dead CIA wiz) on the job. What’s to worry about people, maybe he can get Jay Z to do yet another outreach and open more talks with people who really want to murder us.

nowhiners on April 19, 2013 at 9:25 AM

If Fort Hood was workplace violence, this will become what? Boston kids looking for Russian Army units in the wrong place?

But the REAL danger is from bagger hate groups, right MSNBC? That’s what the SPLC tells us.

juliesa on April 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM

A MSNBC reporter was about to read one of the brother’s book list on Amazon wish list and the anchor cut him off. The reason was “We can’t be sure it is really his.” Even when the reporter added “..well its under his name..” he was told to move on.

I can guarantee that he didn’t want to read any tea party or evangelical Christian stuff.

IlikedAUH2O on April 19, 2013 at 10:04 AM

If they had a “plan”, why were they still in Massachusetts?

If they had a “plan”, why the holdup of a 7-11 AFTER the bombing? Wouldn’t you make your financial arrangements before hand?

Sounds like a couple of wanta-be amateurs.

GarandFan on April 19, 2013 at 10:06 AM

The joy of being Russian.

I knew Russians who hated Muslims worse than any right winger over here hates anybody . Heck, we had a waiter that they were seething at who hadn’t done a thing.

One of the few unqualified, positive remarks made about Vlad Putin was that he wouldn’t take any stuff from Muslims.

Although they did agree the Soviets were a bigger pain in the…

IlikedAUH2O on April 19, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Hey President Reagan fans! Senator Goldwater was a bum, right?

Lest we forget, the Russian were in Afghanistan fighting Muslims. They were still sending love to Reagan for helping the Afghans.

Then one of them asked me:

“How many guys have you lost over there now?”

Smart aleck.

IlikedAUH2O on April 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM

In case you think I can’t fee for the Afghan, a guy at my gym who could be a action film leading man in build and looks, had his whole family killed by Russians. Well, he looked a little Muslim but still…

My heart went out to him.

IlikedAUH2O on April 19, 2013 at 10:22 AM

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM

So you would have been in favor of the internment of the Japanese in WWII right. You can’t strip them of just one right?

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 10:30 AM

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM

My inalienable right to defend myself and my family doesn’t depend upon the 2nd Amendment. That amendment is there to stop the government and types like you from becoming bullies.

BTW what part of inalienable don’t you understand?

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Somebody taught them and helped them.

Of course, the seasoned terrorist sent the young stupid ones into battle.

PattyJ on April 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

CW on April 19, 2013 at 9:03 AM

My wife and I were talking about that very thing last night. Neither of us are willing to extend them the benefit of the doubt anymore.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Really, Don?

Did part of that master plan include knocking off a 7-11? If so, then I guess half the gangbangers in LA also “had a plan”.

This has “Lone Wolf” painted all over it…

JohnGalt23 on April 19, 2013 at 10:47 AM

the president could pass an executive order making a temp ban of guns and then get congress to pass legislation to amend the 2nd amendment

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

I agree with nonpartisan. The President should totally do this – and he should announce it on October 1st, 2014.

It will be a landslide.

For Republicans.

BKennedy on April 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM

if these two nuts didnt have guns, a police officer would not have died and they would’ve been in custody.

nonpartisan

Can you give me tonight’s winning Megamillion numbers too, Nostradamus?

xblade on April 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM

the president could pass an executive order making a temp ban of guns and then get congress to pass legislation to amend the 2nd amendment

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:40 AM

What are you… 13?

You’re a moron.

Alberta_Patriot on April 20, 2013 at 5:06 AM

I think seriously that the president should propose overturning the 2nd amendment provoke a civil war.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Do you care nothing for the lives of innocent people?

Don’t answer that, we already know… you’re a liberal.

What kind of moron responds to the deaths of 4 people with a plan that would kill 4 million?

Alberta_Patriot on April 20, 2013 at 5:12 AM

More important, they had supporters and facilitators. Every one of them needs to be rooted out.

And we still need to know what the Saudi “student” was doing there and why he was escorted away.

virgo on April 20, 2013 at 9:54 AM

You know, it is the Internet. Nonpartisan may actually BE thirteen years old.

That’s the problem with the Internet. You think you are having an otherwise inexplicable conversation with another sane, sober adult. But the person could be drunk. And often they area,

Or the person might even be an enterprising and intellectually curious child, who comes on a message board presenting things he’s heard from adults, actually wanting to be elucidated.

So nonpartisan could really be just a . . . nah.

Alana on April 20, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Area = are!

Alana on April 20, 2013 at 2:44 PM