P.M. thread: The hunt for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev; Update: Older brother spent six months overseas last year; Update: Twitter account? Update: Tsarnaev was nervous Tuesday, says mechanic; Update: Classmate saw Tsarnaev yesterday?

posted at 12:05 pm on April 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’d like to tell you where things stand as of noon ET but no one seems quite sure. Police were on the lookout for a Honda with Massachusetts plates, suggesting that Tsarnaev’s on the run, but the car’s now been recovered. Meanwhile, I keep seeing tidbits on Twitter suggesting he might be holed up somewhere with the cops outside, possibly with a suicide vest on. (What does this mean, for instance?) There was at least one report within the past two hours that the cops are looking for two suspects. Current status: Unclear. Lots of updates coming, needless to say.

While we wait for news, here’s a half-assed theory to chew on: These guys weren’t trained by professionals overseas, because no well-trained terrorist would be so stupid as to rob a convenience store in full view of surveillance cameras on the very day that their photos have been released to the media. If you’re planning a getaway after the bombing, you pile up your cash beforehand so that you’re ready to leave after the attack. And if they’re part of a group (and there are theories to that effect kicking around right now in the media), why wasn’t someone bankrolling them in the first place? For that matter, why’d they tell the driver of the car they hijacked that they were the bombers? He might not have recognized them until later if they had kept quiet, leaving them time to get away. But then, it’s also odd that they didn’t kill him right away; obviously they have no compunction about killing children and cops. Very strange.

One other question: How’d Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get away last night if Tamerlan Tsarnaev was captured at the scene of the shootout? Did the older brother get out of the car to distract the cops while the younger one drove off? I’m unclear on the tick tock.

Update: I have mixed feelings about this:

You don’t want people milling about in a park when there’s a guy with a suicide vest, guns, and ammo on the loose. But then, murder suspects are on the loose all the time in big cities and nothing shuts down for them, even though in theory they’re just as likely to go out in a blaze of nutty glory among a crowd. If you’re an aspiring terrorist, knowing that you can shut down a city for a day must be encouraging.

Update: I’m seeing on Twitter that someone on the police scanner said the Army’s bomb-disposal team is on the scene. The scanner’s not always right, but if it is this time, this may be why:

Update: A clue as to who the ringleader here was, and no surprise:

According to the WSJ, one Tsarnaev brother came here with his parents in 2002, the other on his own in 2004. Either way, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been here since he was at least 10 years old. It’s probably his brother, a followed of AQ-connected Salafist preacher Feiz Mohammed, who radicalized him, but we’ll see.

Update: Second look at the brothers possibly being part of a group?

Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev flew in and out of John F. Kennedy Airport last year and was out of the country for six months, and investigators said they want to know if he received any terror training while he was overseas, NBC 4 New York has learned.

Travel records obtained by NBC 4 New York show Tsarnaev left New York on Jan. 12, 2012 for Sheremetyevo, Russia. He stayed overseas and returned to JFK on July 17.

The travel documents show a photo of a bearded Tsarnaev.

For 10 years now, I’ve been reading counterterrorism stories claiming that Middle Eastern jihadis want white recruits in the west. Makes sense: They’ll blend in better. Just something to bear in mind vis-a-vis this mysterious overseas trip.

Meanwhile, NBC News is reporting that Tamerlan Tsarnaev became a U.S. citizen last year. On September 11. But wait — Foreign Policy claims that it was Dzhokhar who became a citizen and Tamerlan who in the process. They also say that Dzhokhar was the one who came here in 2002, meaning he’s been a U.S. resident since he was eight years old.

Update: There’s a website claiming that this is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s real Twitter account. No way to know for sure yet, but the site says they’ve got confirmation from one of Tsarnaev’s friends. Note the tweets on April 16 especially.

Update: Boston is, truly, in total lockdown.

Update: If you missed it last night, read how Jeff Bauman — the man in the wheelchair with his legs blown off in that horribly gruesome post-blast photo — helped the feds catch Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.

Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. A picture of him in a wheelchair, bloodied and ashen, was broadcast around the world as he was rushed to Boston Medical Center. He lost both legs below the knee.

“He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me,’” Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview.

Update: What exactly was the plan here after the bombing? The Tsarnaevs had two days to skip town and try to leave the country. They didn’t. They could have claimed responsibility publicly on behalf of themselves or some movement. They didn’t. They could have killed a bunch more people knowing that the cops would be at their door anyway sooner or later. They didn’t. It seems like they didn’t want to be caught, but neither did they really want to escape. I don’t get it.

Update: Not sure what to make of this tweet at the alleged Tsarnaev account. Spring break for UMass-Dartmouth did begin on March 16, but how was spring break on this guy’s mind less than a month before the bombing? Just how belatedly was this bomb plot hatched? As of March 25, he was still doing homework. Not sure this is the right account. Then again, this one from April 8 is interesting.

Update: A plea to Boston at the Volokh Conspiracy not to let terrorists hold the city hostage:

Two Chechen Islamist terrorists have succeeded in turning Boston, America’s cradle of liberty, into a prison. Just when we had gotten used to obscene lines and searches at airports as the price we pay for safety, the lockdown of Boston illustrates the extent to which civil liberties are at stake in the war on terror. Since 9/11, there has been an ongoing debate about the protection of the rights of suspected terrorists. But today’s events show that its is not just the civil liberties of terrorists at stake, but also those of millions of innocent civilians.

If Boston is “closed” for just six hours, that is 175000 man days of functional house arrest; roughly as many as would be required to keep everyone in Guantanamo confined for a year or two. No doubt the police overreaction will be severely criticized in coming days, but largely on policy grounds, not civil rights grounds.

Update: Via Newsweek, a possible answer to my question of why the Tsarnaevs didn’t kill any more people: Maybe they were planning to. And maybe they weren’t “lone wolves.”

The trail of the Tsarnaevs seems, for the moment, to remain one of lone wolves. But counterterror operatives see details that suggest a wider organization may yet be discovered. Most telling: the sheer firepower the Tsarnaevs were able to bring to bear in their shootout with police. They appeared to have several unused bombs. And because terrorists learn from each other’s actions, some counterterror analysts are speculating that they may have planned a bigger operation at the marathon, or perhaps to come. One possible example is the bloody Mumbai attack in 2008, carried out by a handful of men, which killed 164 people. “These are ‘wise guys,’” said the veteran counterterror official. “These are intelligent individuals who thought they could outsmart everybody and get away with it. They didn’t want to die. But they prepared a lot of stuff.”

This doesn’t mean al Qaeda played no role: on the question of whether the lone wolves had domestic or international grievances, the intelligence official thought it likely that they were “inspired” by al Qaeda’s ferociously anti-American ideology, which paints the United States, essentially, as the root of all evil.

Update: I missed this earlier, but according to one of the doctors at the hospital, “There were signs of more than just gunshot wounds” on Tamerlan Tsarnaev when he arrived. Presumably that means he blew himself up, but in that case, how was there enough left to try to revive him in the ER?

Update: I’m not posting them, but photos of what looks like a dead Tamerlan Tsarnaev are already floating around the ‘Net.

Update: How intense is local security?

Update: Via CBS, a heads up from Connecticut police as of 1:50 p.m. ET: Possible Boston suspect driving a green 1999 Honda Civic, Massachusetts registration 116 GC7.

Update: And just like that, CT PD says the car may have been recovered.

Update: How long was the plot in the works? Here’s something from the alleged Twitter account dated more than a year ago:

Update: Via a reader tip, here’s local news interviewing a mechanic who said he worked recently on Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s car. When Tsarnaev dropped it off for repairs two weeks ago, his behavior was normal. When he came by Tuesday, a day after the bombing, to pick it up: “Very, very nervous.” Tsarnaev also wanted his car back immediately, even though the mechanic hadn’t replaced the bumper and tail lights yet. Maybe that’s why the brothers hung around Boston — they wanted to leave town but couldn’t drive the car in that condition without getting pulled over. So they lied low for a few days to figure out what to do, then panicked yesterday after the photos were released and carjacked someone to try to get away.

One thing I don’t get, though: The FBI was whispering that it had surveillance footage on Wednesday. The brothers knew it was going to come out soon. Why not carjack someone on Wednesday night instead?

Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston

Update: Some of Rand Paul’s critics laughed at the hypothetical he emphasized in his filibuster last month but, well, here we are:

Update: Random thought: If this degenerate starts tweeting again in the middle of all this, social media will melt down.

Update: It’s no mystery how the photo of Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the morgue leaked. One word: Catharsis.

Seeing a photo of one of the Marathon bombing suspects dead was cathartic, said one law enforcement official who saw the picture.

Passing it around was a rare chance “to revel” while other officers searched for Tsarnaev’s brother, Dzhokhar the official said. “Mission accomplished. We’re halfway there. Justice is served.”

Boston police officers have been working 12-hour shifts since Monday and many were kept well past the end of their shift Friday morning after the chaos broke out Thursday night.

Another quote from the Globe, per Tsarnaev going down fighting: “You can rest assured the cops are looking for a fight right now.”

Update: Unreal if true:

He was in his dorm room? When the feds were promising that morning to release surveillance video of the bombers later that day?

Here’s video of another friend of Tsarnaev’s who said he saw the picture yesterday and, I guess, either e-mailed or texted him to say, essentially, “Watch out, people might think you’re the bomber.” Sounds like Tsarnaev didn’t respond.

Update: The best tick-tock I’ve seen of exactly what happened last night is this one from WBZ. Allegedly, the brothers stole two cars, a Honda and a Mercedes; eventually they both ended up in the latter car and the cops caught up to them. Eventually they lost control of the car and crashed it. That’s when the gunfight started and that’s when Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot, in the process of tossing some sort of bomb at the cops. Dzhokhar jumped back in the Mercedes to get away, ended up driving over his brother, and finally crashed the car again in Watertown, at which point he apparently escaped on foot. How far could he have gotten realistically with every cop in Boston looking for him?

The officer who was killed wasn’t killed during the shootout, by the way. He was ambushed and murdered in cold blood:

At 10:30 p.m. MIT campus police officer Sean Collier was found shot multiple times in his car in the area of Vassar and Main streets. He was rushed to Massachusetts General Hospital where he died.

According to WBZ-TV Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve, the brothers ambushed Collier, shot him five or six times and once in the head. Collier never drew his weapon. His gun was found in his holster. Five 9 mm shells were found at the scene.

Update: You know what? There’s no reason for me not to give you the photo of degenerate number one on the slab except that it might make people with weak stomachs queasy. If you’re one of those people, don’t click the following Reddit link. If you aren’t, have at it. And yes, per the descriptions given by cops to the Boston Globe and TMZ, that’s definitely him.

Update: Can’t vouch for the authenticity of what follows, but if someone wanted to make up a story about the Tsarnaevs today to get attention, it’d probably be more sensational than this. (“Zubeidat” is the Tsarnaevs’ mother.) Evidence of recent radicalization in the family?

During this time first one daughter and then another were set up in arranged marriages, and started having kids. This was something I found slightly disturbing, as one was just my age (18-19) and didn’t seem to be happily married. Within two years that daughter was beaten badly and eventually filed for divorce, something which was at first against her mother’s wishes. Later Zubeidat said she had accepted it because it was an unhappy marriage. He daughter then moved back into the house with her child. Her younger son, Dzhokar, was most often in the room or the room next door looking after his sister’s child while I was getting my facial. There were usually issues with parking on her crowded Cambridge Street. Sometimes she would have Dzhokar go down to the street to put the visitor parking pass into my car window (Yes, I gave him my car keys). Once he moved my car, which made me nervous as the street was so crowded and parking spots so small. In 2010-11, there was a day when Dzhokar wasn’t home, so Zubeidat took the parking pass out to the street for me. I noticed that she first put on a burka before going outside. She had never worn a burka while working at the spa and I was really surprised.

Between 2008 and 2012 I got to know her pretty well. During those 2-3 hours I spent a lot of time asking her about her personal life and her family. (I’m a writer and tend to ask people exhaustive questions about their personal lives, especially as interesting a character as this.) The burka shouldn’t have surprised me so much, because she had become increasingly religious while I was in college. She often mentioned Allah, and the lessons of the Koran. “Allah will reward him,” she said once about my brother, when I told her that my brother and mom were close, and that I thought my brother would take care of my mom later in life. She started to refuse to see boys that had gone through puberty, as she had consulted a religious figure and he had told her it was sacrilegious. She was often fasting. She told me that she had cried for days when her oldest son, Tamerlan, told her that he wanted to move out, going against her culture’s tradition of the son staying in the house with the mother until marriage. She started saying things like, “Don’t worry, there aren’t men in the house today,” when I asked if I could use the bathroom, which I thought was kind of funny at the time, since I didn’t mind if there were men in the apartment or not.

Read on for Zubeidat’s familiarity with 9/11 conspiracy theories, something you’ll also find in the archives of Dzhokhar’s alleged Twitter account. (Nothing unusual about terrorists and their supporters dismissing 9/11 as a preposterous false-flag operation while they’re busy clamoring for terror attacks against America.) She also supposedly said that her husband is crazy — a claim that appears to be true — which adds an extra dimension to all this. Did the abundance of … eccentricity in the family contribute to the Tsarnaev brothers’ descent into degeneracy?


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Apparently Zolan Kanno Young is a co-op at the Boston Globe, and uh…

rogerb on April 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM

So they’re serial killers.
segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

No. They’re Terrorists.

And, you are a Troll.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Boston Bomber Could Have Been Deported After 2009 Conviction

April 19, 2013 | No Comments

One of the Chechen terrorists who carried out the Boston Marathon bombings could have been deported years ago after a criminal conviction and the other was granted American citizenship on the 11th anniversary of the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who nevertheless could have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence conviction, according to a Judicial Watch source. That means the Obama administration missed an opportunity to deport Tsarnaev but evidently didn’t feel he represented a big enough threat.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/04/boston-bomber-could-have-been-deported-after-2009-conviction/

Who said this isn’t about our broken immigration system?

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM

let me just say that i welcome being a punching bag.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Interesting pic of the three armored vehicles on a residential street. Don’t think this won’t be commonplace someday? Fool.

HiJack on April 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM

it is possible that they believed that they were making a transfer of illicit goods, and the real masterminds are already out of the country.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Goodness, get a grip already. you really sound stupid now. the one who scolded us for jumping to conclusions, speculates like a crazy cow and comes up with outlandish scenarios. What is it so difficult for you to accept hat they are bloody terrorists, cold blood killers, they don’t need any motivation for that, dumbazz. I lived in the UK for a long time and was there during the London bombing, those young dudes were home brown terrorists, radicalized in camps in Pakistan, where they spent some time in the recent past prior to the bombings. Every single one of their relatives, friends, neighbors, etc, were lamenting how ‘good’ and lovely kids the perpetrators were and how everybody loved them, and they were sweet and polite to their neighbors, old ladies, you name it. Yeah, and yet they did it. So, stop trying to understand his a fanatic mind works, and stop speculating already. There’s nothing to understand about these guys’s actions.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM

So they’re serial killers.
segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

No. They’re Terrorists.

they are mass murderering terrorists.

And will be praised by every jihadist in the world.

we are at war people time to wake up.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

So they’re serial killers.
segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

No. They’re Terrorists.

And, you are a Troll.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Whew. Thanks. Allah, you can stop posting. Kingsjester has everything wrapped up.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Aren’t you the same guy whose favored ad-hominem is accusing people of being “aggressively stupid”?

rogerb on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

no, it’s ‘imbecile’.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Interesting pic of the three armored vehicles on a residential street. Don’t think this won’t be commonplace someday? Fool.

HiJack on April 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM

only on days where a mass murderer/terrorist armed with bombs is running around said residential street.

JR on April 19, 2013 at 3:18 PM

In Boston, they lock down the entire city and advise ‘Shelter in Place’ for one terrorist. In Texas, they’d just have announced ‘Open Season’ and been done with it. It would be ‘The Running Man’ shortened to a very brief trailer.

michaelo on April 19, 2013 at 3:18 PM

let me just say that i welcome attempts to punch holes in my theory, that’s why i put it out there (though some of you could do it with less ferocity).

maybe it took longer to fix the car than they expected. maybe they’re just stupid and didn’t consider lazy mechanics. or maybe the dude never expected having to flee at all.sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Allah covered this issue in one of the updates.
Lack of car threw a wrench in the works. Plan, whatever it was, fell apart.
Kindof funny if a slow mechanic was their downfall.

Jabberwock on April 19, 2013 at 3:18 PM

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Mechanic said he had the car for two weeks. Was not yet done and car was not drivable.

Try another theory. You have an active imagination today.

Jabberwock on April 19, 2013 at 3:05 PM

You can almost smell the desperation, can’t you?

Midas on April 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

And fear.

And Teen Spirit.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Whew. Thanks. Allah, you can stop posting. Kingsjester has everything wrapped up.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

I suppose you completely ignore what COl. West and ever other poster besides you and your Troll buddy Sesqui have said on this thread, right?

AP posts stuff to start discussions. It can be thoughtful, or it can be an attention-getter. he is paid to generate interest.

You are not AP. Not by a long shot.

You are simply here to Troll…as always.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

The officer who was killed wasn’t killed during the shootout, by the way. He was ambushed and murdered in cold blood:

They also had taken his gun away.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Update: The best tick-tock I’ve seen of exactly what happened last night is this one from WBZ. Allegedly, the brothers stole two cars, a Honda and a Mercedes; eventually they both ended up in the latter car and the cops caught up to them. Eventually they lost control of the car and crashed it. That’s when the gunfight started and that’s when Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot, in the process of tossing some sort of bomb at the cops. Dzhokhar jumped back in the Mercedes to get away, ended up driving over his brother, and finally crashed the car again in Watertown, at which point he apparently escaped on foot. How far could he have gotten realistically with every cop in Boston looking for him?

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM

The ‘incredulous’ aunt is a lawyer, from back home.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM

So they’re serial killers.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

No. Seriously, I get that you’re trying to play silly semantic games here, but it’s incredibly stupid. Just drop the act, dude.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

they are mass murderering terrorists.

And will be praised by every jihadist in the world.

we are at war people time to wake up.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Anyone bothered to check out the jihad websites to see what they’re saying about all this?

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

That’s the thing, so if you don’t consent, you have something to hide? We have to waive our rights to be innocent?

You claim the 4th amendment, you’re hiding something, you claim the 5th amendment, you did something wrong.

El_Terrible on April 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Not necessarily. You asked if we would consent. I’ve worked in law enforcement. If I was an officer doing the manhunt and going door to door, I would ask the homeowner if they were willing to consent for us to search their home for the suspect. If the homeowner does not consent, then at that point the question arises, do I have grounds to request a warrant to search or not. And if I do, I post officers all around your house until a warrant is signed by a judge to search.

Meople on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

unfortunately that’s also why trolls are allowed to run wild on the site.

JR on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

No. Seriously, I get that you’re trying to play silly semantic games here, but it’s incredibly stupid. Just drop the act, dude.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Detraction – Goebbels laughs his dead azz off.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

JR on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Yep.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Scanner: Police now have another suspicious individual on the ground near a garage

mythicknight on April 19, 2013 at 3:22 PM

unfortunately that’s also why trolls are allowed to run wild on the site.

JR on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

To the ultimate Capitalistic chagrin they are good for…HA Capitalism.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Molly Line bless her heart, has been on this since last night!

What dedication… :-)

These 2 perps were called Terrorists by those who commanded the briefings…

They ARE terrorists…

End of that bit of the story.

I hope they catch the terrorist very soon…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 3:22 PM

No. Seriously, I get that you’re trying to play silly semantic games here, but it’s incredibly stupid. Just drop the act, dude.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM
Detraction – Goebbels laughs his dead azz off.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Bingo.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Poor Sesqui proven the idiot one more time. Tears.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM

So they’re serial killers.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

No, but you are a serial retard.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM

they are mass murderering terrorists.

And will be praised by every jihadist in the world.

we are at war people time to wake up.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Yeah, they’ll be praised by every jihadist. But I’m sure every American death is praised by jihadist. We can’t let them dictate our lives and our approach to life.

The Newton massacre was probably celebrated by jihadists, but can’t let their joy dictate how we respond to it.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Anyone bothered to check out the jihad websites to see what they’re saying about all this?

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Salafi cleric praises the bombings in Boston

Jordan extremist praises Boston bombing

The head of an extremist Jordanian Muslim Salafi group says he’s “happy to see the horror in America” after the explosions in Boston.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:22 PM

O/T…………………………………………

Hiya Schad! Spoke with angrymike early this morning. He says Hi!

May well be on QOTD this evening, it sure was good seeing him again.

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM

ABC Coverage- http://abcnews.go.com/live

CW on April 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM

my theory would also explain why the dude dropped off his car at the mechanic only a few days before committing a major attack, after which he’d have to flee.

Squiddie on April 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Does your theory explain why the 1993 WTC bombers got caught because they tried to get their deposit back from a rented truck?

Sometimes criminals are stupid.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM

The service center was late finishing servicing the car? That never happens.

slickwillie2001 on April 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Whew. Thanks. Allah, you can stop posting. Kingsjester has everything wrapped up.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

I suppose you completely ignore what COl. West and ever other poster besides you and your Troll buddy Sesqui have said on this thread, right?

AP posts stuff to start discussions. It can be thoughtful, or it can be an attention-getter. he is paid to generate interest.

You are not AP. Not by a long shot.

You are simply here to Troll…as always.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Ah, you’re back to crying. It’s ok. This should pass. You’ll be taking potshots at my mother in no-time. Don’t worry buddy, you’ll get through this.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Hi Scrumpy. Sounds good. Thanks.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

OH…auto-start video. Time to find another thread.

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 3:03 PM

THIS.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

The officer who was killed wasn’t killed during the shootout, by the way. He was ambushed and murdered in cold blood:

They also had taken his gun away.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Universal Background Check would have stopped that firearm transfer!

slickwillie2001 on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

If you haven’t noticed, Troll. You’re not exactly admired around here.

Reality is a tough concerpt for you to grasp, isn’t it?

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

 
unfortunately that’s also why trolls are allowed to run wild on the site.
 
JR on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

 
+1
 
Every factual post, cited source, and dot gov link I give is great, but “ha ha at the massacred first graders at Newtown” or “8 year old murdered, dems/liberals win big” drive page refreshes.
 
And page refreshes = money.

rogerb on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

THIS.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

So annoying.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

And now I’m closing this window because of the unbearably annoying AUTOPLAY of the video I care nothing about playing every time I refresh the f’ing screen. Sorry for no more posts.

Meople on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

WHOAH.

Scanner: HRT team moving in.

mythicknight on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

rogerb on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Yep. You are correct. Unfortunately.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

it’s possible that someone sent them to the finish line and they didn’t know that bombs were in those bags. perhaps that’s why they didn’t have any plans, and panicked when they realized what they had done.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Anythings possible Squippy, only one thing is sure,in your heart they will always be innocent (in spite of being white).

BL@KBIRD on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

The service center was late finishing servicing the car? That never happens.

slickwillie2001 on April 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Heh. I know, right? Next you’ll tell me the service center tried to overcharge them!

Good Solid B-Plus on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Fox news stumbles onto martial law drill in Boston, cuts to commercial.

Most of what I post online is 100% snark (not always good, though), and I’m not a big conspiracy theorist.

But man…do they really need to shut down the entire city of Boston while they look for a one guy, who may or may not be armed?

I can see shutting down a perimeter around where you think he is, but a no-fly zone? Really? Are we concerned he’s got on the Flying Matador in a garage somewhere?

And why does everyone have to stay in their home? Not open their business? My goodness, with all the cops in Watertown right now, they could have searched, vacuumed and repainted nearly every house by now.

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Can we call for a trollcot, yet ?
HA is the best place for on the spot info, and they’re soooo tiring !
Sigh.

pambi on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

That guy being interviewed, (I couldn’t find it in time to stop it…) sounds very sincere. He looks very very nice.

But it makes you wonder if anyone is genuinely nice who practices Islam.

I mean if his Muslim friends are so shocked, how are we (outsiders) supposed to tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys?

Christian bad guys are seldom the ones people say, “He was always so nice and wouldn’t hurt a flea.” It’s usually, “Yeah, we knew he was heading for trouble.”

Christian bad kids get kicked out of class and get in trouble for smaller stuff long before they commit mass murder.

Mass murder as your first sin is weird.

petunia on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

The Newton massacre was probably celebrated by jihadists, but can’t let their joy dictate how we respond to it.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM

No, we have the American left for that.

weaselyone on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Is there a chance this incident will put a stake through the heart of the amnesty bill?

slickwillie2001 on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

At 10:30 p.m. MIT campus police officer Sean Collier was found shot multiple times in his car in the area of Vassar and Main streets. He was rushed to Massachusetts General Hospital where he died.

According to WBZ-TV Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve, the brothers ambushed Collier, shot him five or six times and once in the head. Collier never drew his weapon. His gun was found in his holster. Five 9 mm shells were found at the scene.

Well, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, hope you’re enjoying your surpsrise visit to Hell today. Your brother will most likely be joining you soon.

Bitter Clinger on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

ABC Coverage- http://abcnews.go.com/live

CW on April 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Meh, their coverage is reporters and news helicopters searching for the real suspect in South Carolina.

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

The service center was late finishing servicing the car? That never happens.

slickwillie2001 on April 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Fiction stuff really :) I want the address of that service center :)

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Nice guy to be named after.

Why do we let these freaks into our country?

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Could blog site Auto-play vids have been a bombing motive?

mjbrooks3 on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Dude, that guy is a legend here. KJ, why I remember when he was commenting about …

Well, there was the time he said ….

Or when …

Who the he11 is that guy?

hawkdriver on April 19, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Does anyone else find it unsettling to be greeted by video footage of Matthew Broderick prancing around whenever we check hotair on the progress of the hunt for the bombers? Talk about incongruity.

Chuckles3 on April 19, 2013 at 3:31 PM

If you haven’t noticed, Troll. You’re not exactly admired around here.

Reality is a tough concerpt for you to grasp, isn’t it?

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

What does that have to do with anything at all? Seriously, why did you just write that? Is that why you come here? To circle-jerk with the friends you never met?

Yeah, thanks but no thanks. You can keep your ‘admiration’ and wipe it on your kleenex.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:31 PM

hawkdriver on April 19, 2013 at 3:31 PM

LOL! You, too, huh?

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

WHOAH.

Scanner: HRT team moving in.

mythicknight on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

What’s a HRT Team?

WisRich on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

No. Seriously, I get that you’re trying to play silly semantic games here, but it’s incredibly stupid. Just drop the act, dude.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

They aren’t serial killers? How are they not serial killers if they want to kill and terrorize as much as possible, rather than in one isolated event?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Anyone bothered to check out the jihad websites to see what they’re saying about all this?

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Huff-po? No, haven’t had time.

katy the mean old lady on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Auto-play = mute button. Done.

pambi on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Update: You know what? There’s no reason for me not to give you the photo

Allahpundit you are the best. Cathartic indeed.

And in case anyone has questions regarding the trauma to the body, it’s explained in the most part here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1com53/suspect_1_in_the_morgue_nsfw/

Mongerel on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Wow. Your vocabulary is awe-inspiring. I can see why you’re a legend here./

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Is there a chance this incident will put a stake through the heart of the amnesty bill?

slickwillie2001 on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Don’t think so.

However, it may appear that the older brother could have been deported in 2009 if laws were enforced, probably preventing this whole mess.

If you wanna piss off a lot of people though, you could probably call these guys “dreamers”

El_Terrible on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

The reason why this situation is so strange because is doesn’t really follow the MO of Islamic Terrorist.

There is that saying along the lines of “every general is fully prepared to fight the previous war”. If you are thinking that there even is a “MO” for the Islamic thug then perhaps something similar is true here.

As Allah wrote, it seems like they didn’t want to terrorize and destabilize as much as they wanted to get away with murder.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Muslims are often inspired by their books, their pious tales of righteous warriors and the example of Mohammed, and these things become combined in their minds with Islam’s inherent fatalism and nihilism. Once you understand the inspiration and ideology the actions are seen to follow naturally. The actions at the Marathon are simply an immature interpretation; i.e. they appear to have adopted the hatred, the separateness, and the killing of non-Muslims, but they were too young, inexperienced and foolish to have developed a large-scale, coherent plan to maximise their effectiveness.

So personally I don’t find their actions strange or incomprehensible. On the contrary this is what I would expect from immature people who have been influenced by certain aspects of Islam and who are not strategists or big thinkers.

YiZhangZhe on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

hawkdriver on April 19, 2013 at 3:31 PM

LOL! You, too, huh?

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

KLEENEX!

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

ALLAHPUNDIT!!!!
Please turn of the auto-play.
Thank you.

YiZhangZhe on April 19, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Auto-play = mute button. Done.

pambi on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Or NoScript on firefox or chrome

El_Terrible on April 19, 2013 at 3:34 PM

It’s amazing that this kid hasn’t been caught or killed yet. Makes me wonder if LO is allowing him to move, and waiting him to put himself in a position that gives LO a decided advantage?

HarryBackside on April 19, 2013 at 3:34 PM

KLEENEX!

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

For what? I haven’t laughed that hard at you…yet.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Heh. I know, right? Next you’ll tell me the service center tried to overcharge them!

Good Solid B-Plus on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

And wait until the next of kin gets the bill for storage because it didn’t get picked up on time.

Lily on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

No. Seriously, I get that you’re trying to play silly semantic games here, but it’s incredibly stupid. Just drop the act, dude.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

They aren’t serial killers? How are they not serial killers if they want to kill and terrorize as much as possible, rather than in one isolated event?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

That’s the exact definition of terrorism imbecile, not ‘serial killing’, but you’re too much of a cretin to even comprehend the difference.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

KLEENEX!

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Can you get that yourself or do you need some help?

hawkdriver on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

That auto play video is pretty bad, but at least Shep isn’t on.

Jackalope on April 19, 2013 at 3:36 PM

They aren’t serial killers? How are they not serial killers if they want to kill and terrorize as much as possible, rather than in one isolated event?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

As serial killer is defined as a person who kills more than three people, one at a time, over a significant period of time.

JR on April 19, 2013 at 3:37 PM

KLEENEX!

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I’d have thought you’d need baby wipes. Kleenex just smears your crap.

portlandon on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Sooo where has this fucq been sleeping the last four days? Except for last night. Fatigue factor must be setting in by now.

jake49 on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Nope. Definitely not believing that guy. Mass Murder is not the first sign of a bad person.

The guy was intelligent and was on the Prom committee! The first crime he did was not mass murder. I think his friends are lying.

The uncle is the only one who acted in a logical way! He was mad! Why aren’t these friends angry that their friend killed people and killed cops and maimed people!!!

Why aren’t they angry? They were duped into thinking he was a great guy. And he was a murderer at heart.

This reaction is wrong for the situation. They are protecting him.

petunia on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

The actions at the Marathon are simply an immature interpretation; i.e. they appear to have adopted the hatred, the separateness, and the killing of non-Muslims, but they were too young, inexperienced and foolish to have developed a large-scale, coherent plan to maximise their effectiveness.

YiZhangZhe on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I guess the point i’m trying to get to is what makes an Islamist terrorist. The motive or the actions.

Did they kill because they enjoyed the thought of killing, or was it to further some crazy islamist ideal?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

jimver, did you see the pic?

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Anyone bothered to check out the jihad websites to see what they’re saying about all this?

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Huff-po? No, haven’t had time.

katy the mean old lady on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Heh.

Jawa sums it up nicely:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/215740.php

RedNewEnglander on April 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Reddit is saying “Perpetrators in custody”
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1coqwo/live_boston_update_thread_part_5/

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I guess the point i’m trying to get to is what makes an Islamist terrorist. The motive or the actions.

Did they kill because they enjoyed the thought of killing, or was it to further some crazy islamist ideal?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

You’re joking, right?

Jackalope on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Auto-play gone. Horray.

nobar on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

They aren’t serial killers? How are they not serial killers if they want to kill and terrorize as much as possible, rather than in one isolated event?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

A terrorist would be a person who attempts to kill a large number of people at one time, usually in “spectacular” fashion in order to generate media coverage. They do this in order to make a political/religious/ethic/cultural statement and to place doubt in the mind of citizens that the “current order” can’t keep them safe.

A serial killer usually kills his victims because he has psychological/emotion problems

JR on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

The officer who was killed wasn’t killed during the shootout, by the way. He was ambushed and murdered in cold blood:

They also had taken his gun away.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Get your facts straight:

According to WBZ-TV Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve, the brothers ambushed Collier, shot him five or six times and once in the head. Collier never drew his weapon. His gun was found in his holster. Five 9 mm shells were found at the scene.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Jackalope on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Nope. Trolling.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM

In fact if more Muslims acted like that guy it would go a long way to get rid of the suspicions many people have. He was truly upset and angry that they are his nephews and they did this. Cair could learn from that guy.

petunia on April 19, 2013 at 2:04 PM

He also said that Islam had nothing to do with it. The boys did it because they were losers. This has as much believability as Mitt Romney being our next President.

bw222 on April 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Here’s video of another friend of Tsarnaev’s who said he saw the picture yesterday and, I guess, either e-mailed or texted him to say, essentially, “Watch out, people might think you’re the bomber.” Sounds like Tsarnaev didn’t respond.

Nice to know the kid was diligent enough to call the FBI and say “I know the bomber!” Instead, he sends the bomber a text saying, “Hey! You know what’d be funny?!?! If someone thought you were the bomber because this photo looks just like you!!!”

Moronic Youth

CycloneCDB on April 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM

I guess the point i’m trying to get to is what makes an Islamist terrorist. The motive or the actions.

Did they kill because they enjoyed the thought of killing, or was it to further some crazy islamist ideal?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Why don’t you just read teh koran and the suras, and quit using your mad sophostry 101 sk1llz in inane after inane comment?

educate yourself so you don’t just expose your ignorance at every turn.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

I hope you’re ok. I read they took his gun. I never claimed any more/less.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

i never suggested that they’re innocent, just drop the stupid, will ya?

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM
I would, but it’s not up to me to remove you from the website.

Midas on April 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Thank you for the afternoon laugh Midas, that made me laugh out loud.

The_Livewire on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

I can see shutting down a perimeter around where you think he is, but a no-fly zone? Really? Are we concerned he’s got on the Flying Matador in a garage somewhere?

And why does everyone have to stay in their home? Not open their business? My goodness, with all the cops in Watertown right now, they could have searched, vacuumed and repainted nearly every house by now.

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Yeo, found it in the internet. Gory.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM

If Obama had sons they would look like these two! Just a couple of terrorist in the neighborhood, like Bill Ayres etc. Democrat voters! Shining examples of diversity! Nothing to worry about! Keep those borders open! Bring in more like them and give them citizenship!

Marco on April 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM

He also said that Islam had nothing to do with it. The boys did it because they were losers. This has as much believability as Mitt Romney being our next President.

bw222 on April 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM

I’m sure that being “losers” is part of it. They turned their focus and attention to something they “believed in” and “wouldn’t make them losers.”

JR on April 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM

bomber’s tweets:

If you have the knowledge and the inspiration all that’s left is to take action—
Jahar (@J_tsar) April 08, 2013

Most of you are conditioned by the media—
Jahar (@J_tsar) April 11, 2013

some people are just misunderstood by the world thus the increase of suicide rates—
Jahar (@J_tsar) January 17, 2012

I don’t argue with fools who say islam is terrorism it’s not worth a thing, let an idiot remain an idiot—
Jahar (@J_tsar) January 16, 2013

he was a 9/11 truther imagine that:

Idk why it’s hard for many of you to accept that 9/11 was an inside job, I mean I guess fuck the facts y’all are some real #patriots #gethip—
Jahar (@J_tsar) September 02, 2012

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