P.M. thread: The hunt for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev; Update: Older brother spent six months overseas last year; Update: Twitter account? Update: Tsarnaev was nervous Tuesday, says mechanic; Update: Classmate saw Tsarnaev yesterday?

posted at 12:05 pm on April 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’d like to tell you where things stand as of noon ET but no one seems quite sure. Police were on the lookout for a Honda with Massachusetts plates, suggesting that Tsarnaev’s on the run, but the car’s now been recovered. Meanwhile, I keep seeing tidbits on Twitter suggesting he might be holed up somewhere with the cops outside, possibly with a suicide vest on. (What does this mean, for instance?) There was at least one report within the past two hours that the cops are looking for two suspects. Current status: Unclear. Lots of updates coming, needless to say.

While we wait for news, here’s a half-assed theory to chew on: These guys weren’t trained by professionals overseas, because no well-trained terrorist would be so stupid as to rob a convenience store in full view of surveillance cameras on the very day that their photos have been released to the media. If you’re planning a getaway after the bombing, you pile up your cash beforehand so that you’re ready to leave after the attack. And if they’re part of a group (and there are theories to that effect kicking around right now in the media), why wasn’t someone bankrolling them in the first place? For that matter, why’d they tell the driver of the car they hijacked that they were the bombers? He might not have recognized them until later if they had kept quiet, leaving them time to get away. But then, it’s also odd that they didn’t kill him right away; obviously they have no compunction about killing children and cops. Very strange.

One other question: How’d Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get away last night if Tamerlan Tsarnaev was captured at the scene of the shootout? Did the older brother get out of the car to distract the cops while the younger one drove off? I’m unclear on the tick tock.

Update: I have mixed feelings about this:

You don’t want people milling about in a park when there’s a guy with a suicide vest, guns, and ammo on the loose. But then, murder suspects are on the loose all the time in big cities and nothing shuts down for them, even though in theory they’re just as likely to go out in a blaze of nutty glory among a crowd. If you’re an aspiring terrorist, knowing that you can shut down a city for a day must be encouraging.

Update: I’m seeing on Twitter that someone on the police scanner said the Army’s bomb-disposal team is on the scene. The scanner’s not always right, but if it is this time, this may be why:

Update: A clue as to who the ringleader here was, and no surprise:

According to the WSJ, one Tsarnaev brother came here with his parents in 2002, the other on his own in 2004. Either way, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been here since he was at least 10 years old. It’s probably his brother, a followed of AQ-connected Salafist preacher Feiz Mohammed, who radicalized him, but we’ll see.

Update: Second look at the brothers possibly being part of a group?

Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev flew in and out of John F. Kennedy Airport last year and was out of the country for six months, and investigators said they want to know if he received any terror training while he was overseas, NBC 4 New York has learned.

Travel records obtained by NBC 4 New York show Tsarnaev left New York on Jan. 12, 2012 for Sheremetyevo, Russia. He stayed overseas and returned to JFK on July 17.

The travel documents show a photo of a bearded Tsarnaev.

For 10 years now, I’ve been reading counterterrorism stories claiming that Middle Eastern jihadis want white recruits in the west. Makes sense: They’ll blend in better. Just something to bear in mind vis-a-vis this mysterious overseas trip.

Meanwhile, NBC News is reporting that Tamerlan Tsarnaev became a U.S. citizen last year. On September 11. But wait — Foreign Policy claims that it was Dzhokhar who became a citizen and Tamerlan who in the process. They also say that Dzhokhar was the one who came here in 2002, meaning he’s been a U.S. resident since he was eight years old.

Update: There’s a website claiming that this is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s real Twitter account. No way to know for sure yet, but the site says they’ve got confirmation from one of Tsarnaev’s friends. Note the tweets on April 16 especially.

Update: Boston is, truly, in total lockdown.

Update: If you missed it last night, read how Jeff Bauman — the man in the wheelchair with his legs blown off in that horribly gruesome post-blast photo — helped the feds catch Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.

Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. A picture of him in a wheelchair, bloodied and ashen, was broadcast around the world as he was rushed to Boston Medical Center. He lost both legs below the knee.

“He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me,’” Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview.

Update: What exactly was the plan here after the bombing? The Tsarnaevs had two days to skip town and try to leave the country. They didn’t. They could have claimed responsibility publicly on behalf of themselves or some movement. They didn’t. They could have killed a bunch more people knowing that the cops would be at their door anyway sooner or later. They didn’t. It seems like they didn’t want to be caught, but neither did they really want to escape. I don’t get it.

Update: Not sure what to make of this tweet at the alleged Tsarnaev account. Spring break for UMass-Dartmouth did begin on March 16, but how was spring break on this guy’s mind less than a month before the bombing? Just how belatedly was this bomb plot hatched? As of March 25, he was still doing homework. Not sure this is the right account. Then again, this one from April 8 is interesting.

Update: A plea to Boston at the Volokh Conspiracy not to let terrorists hold the city hostage:

Two Chechen Islamist terrorists have succeeded in turning Boston, America’s cradle of liberty, into a prison. Just when we had gotten used to obscene lines and searches at airports as the price we pay for safety, the lockdown of Boston illustrates the extent to which civil liberties are at stake in the war on terror. Since 9/11, there has been an ongoing debate about the protection of the rights of suspected terrorists. But today’s events show that its is not just the civil liberties of terrorists at stake, but also those of millions of innocent civilians.

If Boston is “closed” for just six hours, that is 175000 man days of functional house arrest; roughly as many as would be required to keep everyone in Guantanamo confined for a year or two. No doubt the police overreaction will be severely criticized in coming days, but largely on policy grounds, not civil rights grounds.

Update: Via Newsweek, a possible answer to my question of why the Tsarnaevs didn’t kill any more people: Maybe they were planning to. And maybe they weren’t “lone wolves.”

The trail of the Tsarnaevs seems, for the moment, to remain one of lone wolves. But counterterror operatives see details that suggest a wider organization may yet be discovered. Most telling: the sheer firepower the Tsarnaevs were able to bring to bear in their shootout with police. They appeared to have several unused bombs. And because terrorists learn from each other’s actions, some counterterror analysts are speculating that they may have planned a bigger operation at the marathon, or perhaps to come. One possible example is the bloody Mumbai attack in 2008, carried out by a handful of men, which killed 164 people. “These are ‘wise guys,’” said the veteran counterterror official. “These are intelligent individuals who thought they could outsmart everybody and get away with it. They didn’t want to die. But they prepared a lot of stuff.”

This doesn’t mean al Qaeda played no role: on the question of whether the lone wolves had domestic or international grievances, the intelligence official thought it likely that they were “inspired” by al Qaeda’s ferociously anti-American ideology, which paints the United States, essentially, as the root of all evil.

Update: I missed this earlier, but according to one of the doctors at the hospital, “There were signs of more than just gunshot wounds” on Tamerlan Tsarnaev when he arrived. Presumably that means he blew himself up, but in that case, how was there enough left to try to revive him in the ER?

Update: I’m not posting them, but photos of what looks like a dead Tamerlan Tsarnaev are already floating around the ‘Net.

Update: How intense is local security?

Update: Via CBS, a heads up from Connecticut police as of 1:50 p.m. ET: Possible Boston suspect driving a green 1999 Honda Civic, Massachusetts registration 116 GC7.

Update: And just like that, CT PD says the car may have been recovered.

Update: How long was the plot in the works? Here’s something from the alleged Twitter account dated more than a year ago:

Update: Via a reader tip, here’s local news interviewing a mechanic who said he worked recently on Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s car. When Tsarnaev dropped it off for repairs two weeks ago, his behavior was normal. When he came by Tuesday, a day after the bombing, to pick it up: “Very, very nervous.” Tsarnaev also wanted his car back immediately, even though the mechanic hadn’t replaced the bumper and tail lights yet. Maybe that’s why the brothers hung around Boston — they wanted to leave town but couldn’t drive the car in that condition without getting pulled over. So they lied low for a few days to figure out what to do, then panicked yesterday after the photos were released and carjacked someone to try to get away.

One thing I don’t get, though: The FBI was whispering that it had surveillance footage on Wednesday. The brothers knew it was going to come out soon. Why not carjack someone on Wednesday night instead?

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Update: Some of Rand Paul’s critics laughed at the hypothetical he emphasized in his filibuster last month but, well, here we are:

Update: Random thought: If this degenerate starts tweeting again in the middle of all this, social media will melt down.

Update: It’s no mystery how the photo of Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the morgue leaked. One word: Catharsis.

Seeing a photo of one of the Marathon bombing suspects dead was cathartic, said one law enforcement official who saw the picture.

Passing it around was a rare chance “to revel” while other officers searched for Tsarnaev’s brother, Dzhokhar the official said. “Mission accomplished. We’re halfway there. Justice is served.”

Boston police officers have been working 12-hour shifts since Monday and many were kept well past the end of their shift Friday morning after the chaos broke out Thursday night.

Another quote from the Globe, per Tsarnaev going down fighting: “You can rest assured the cops are looking for a fight right now.”

Update: Unreal if true:

He was in his dorm room? When the feds were promising that morning to release surveillance video of the bombers later that day?

Here’s video of another friend of Tsarnaev’s who said he saw the picture yesterday and, I guess, either e-mailed or texted him to say, essentially, “Watch out, people might think you’re the bomber.” Sounds like Tsarnaev didn’t respond.

Update: The best tick-tock I’ve seen of exactly what happened last night is this one from WBZ. Allegedly, the brothers stole two cars, a Honda and a Mercedes; eventually they both ended up in the latter car and the cops caught up to them. Eventually they lost control of the car and crashed it. That’s when the gunfight started and that’s when Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot, in the process of tossing some sort of bomb at the cops. Dzhokhar jumped back in the Mercedes to get away, ended up driving over his brother, and finally crashed the car again in Watertown, at which point he apparently escaped on foot. How far could he have gotten realistically with every cop in Boston looking for him?

The officer who was killed wasn’t killed during the shootout, by the way. He was ambushed and murdered in cold blood:

At 10:30 p.m. MIT campus police officer Sean Collier was found shot multiple times in his car in the area of Vassar and Main streets. He was rushed to Massachusetts General Hospital where he died.

According to WBZ-TV Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve, the brothers ambushed Collier, shot him five or six times and once in the head. Collier never drew his weapon. His gun was found in his holster. Five 9 mm shells were found at the scene.

Update: You know what? There’s no reason for me not to give you the photo of degenerate number one on the slab except that it might make people with weak stomachs queasy. If you’re one of those people, don’t click the following Reddit link. If you aren’t, have at it. And yes, per the descriptions given by cops to the Boston Globe and TMZ, that’s definitely him.

Update: Can’t vouch for the authenticity of what follows, but if someone wanted to make up a story about the Tsarnaevs today to get attention, it’d probably be more sensational than this. (“Zubeidat” is the Tsarnaevs’ mother.) Evidence of recent radicalization in the family?

During this time first one daughter and then another were set up in arranged marriages, and started having kids. This was something I found slightly disturbing, as one was just my age (18-19) and didn’t seem to be happily married. Within two years that daughter was beaten badly and eventually filed for divorce, something which was at first against her mother’s wishes. Later Zubeidat said she had accepted it because it was an unhappy marriage. He daughter then moved back into the house with her child. Her younger son, Dzhokar, was most often in the room or the room next door looking after his sister’s child while I was getting my facial. There were usually issues with parking on her crowded Cambridge Street. Sometimes she would have Dzhokar go down to the street to put the visitor parking pass into my car window (Yes, I gave him my car keys). Once he moved my car, which made me nervous as the street was so crowded and parking spots so small. In 2010-11, there was a day when Dzhokar wasn’t home, so Zubeidat took the parking pass out to the street for me. I noticed that she first put on a burka before going outside. She had never worn a burka while working at the spa and I was really surprised.

Between 2008 and 2012 I got to know her pretty well. During those 2-3 hours I spent a lot of time asking her about her personal life and her family. (I’m a writer and tend to ask people exhaustive questions about their personal lives, especially as interesting a character as this.) The burka shouldn’t have surprised me so much, because she had become increasingly religious while I was in college. She often mentioned Allah, and the lessons of the Koran. “Allah will reward him,” she said once about my brother, when I told her that my brother and mom were close, and that I thought my brother would take care of my mom later in life. She started to refuse to see boys that had gone through puberty, as she had consulted a religious figure and he had told her it was sacrilegious. She was often fasting. She told me that she had cried for days when her oldest son, Tamerlan, told her that he wanted to move out, going against her culture’s tradition of the son staying in the house with the mother until marriage. She started saying things like, “Don’t worry, there aren’t men in the house today,” when I asked if I could use the bathroom, which I thought was kind of funny at the time, since I didn’t mind if there were men in the apartment or not.

Read on for Zubeidat’s familiarity with 9/11 conspiracy theories, something you’ll also find in the archives of Dzhokhar’s alleged Twitter account. (Nothing unusual about terrorists and their supporters dismissing 9/11 as a preposterous false-flag operation while they’re busy clamoring for terror attacks against America.) She also supposedly said that her husband is crazy — a claim that appears to be true — which adds an extra dimension to all this. Did the abundance of … eccentricity in the family contribute to the Tsarnaev brothers’ descent into degeneracy?


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I just want to hand it to some prescient HotAir commenters. As early as Monday afternoon people here were wondering about AQ-inspired bomb-building techniques using pressure cookers and possible overseas military/terrorist training of perps. Whilst the Chris Matthewses of the world speculated about Tea Partiers et. al.

Missy on April 19, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Why?

They are white males, just like I said.

gumbyandpokey on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

You little POS… When you said “white males” yesterday before we discovered who are these terrorists you only meant that they were White Christian Americans born and raised here… Now you and all your subhumans liberals are royally f***ed because they are the two terrorists are extremist muslims who immigrated to the US from a very extreme muslim country…

Go f*** yourself…

mnjg on April 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM

No, I did not. My sources are a million times better than your imagination will ever be. You are a despicable 360 degree mental harlot.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:45 PM

your sources are shit. there are no records of the younger ever leaving the country.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM

you also lied about the brothers training in pakistan.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

they also are followers of Islam.

You lied left that part out….

ToddPA on April 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Why?

They are white males, just like I said.

gumbyandpokey on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Another 360 degrees ‘thought’ harlot on display.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

you also lied about the brothers training in pakistan.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Accusing anyone of lying without credible evidence makes you look even worse than you already do now. Prove he was lying.

Just curious, though: can you explain to us why you are so deathly afraid of the possibility that they may have trained in Pakistan?

We all know the answer, but it will be amusing to see you ‘splain it in your own words!

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:51 PM

mnjg on April 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Now you have to clean that crap off of your boot.

novaculus on April 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Well, it lubricates both parties: the robots arms and the human.

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM

That answer makes no sense at all. I award you no points, and my God have mercy on your soul.

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

your sources are shit. there are no records of the younger ever leaving the country.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM

You are so stinky that you smell through the net. You are also clueless beyond belief and continue to persist in your idiocies. You’re fun to watch in general but today you’re down right entertaining. Hot air is indignant, and I don’t mean this site.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Listening to the scanner traffic, they have no idea where he is.

youknowit on April 19, 2013 at 12:49 PM

So whose body got the 4 robot alien probe treatment?

Lily on April 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Why don’t you address this you goddamn jackass?!?!?


i bet you’ll have eggs on your faces when we find out who did it – comments are bookmarked just in case i have to rub it in, which i’ll do with great glee.

sesquipedalian on April 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM

you were still wrong to jump to conclusions.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

BigWyo on April 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

I know, I was on the thread most of last night.
Whatev. I am certainly not advocating putting anyone at risk.
See other comments regarding giving others ideas about shutting so much down.

MontanaMmmm on April 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

people shouldn’t spread false information.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Rub his nose in it!

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Scanner: Ladder set up on side of house that was not there an hour ago.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

The house wasn’t there an hour ago? Whoa, these guys are good.

Bat Chain Puller on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

you saying this bomber doesn’t need to be lynched?

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Um, yes?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

That answer makes no sense at all. I award you no points, and my God have mercy on your soul.

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Isn’t that more appropriate for our trolls?

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

True. And they’re being influenced and further radicalized by our wacko-leftist universities. And given the perfect cover by CAIR, the ACLU, political correctness, and the Socialist, Islam-loving, State-Run media.

Meople on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

They are the sons of a thousand fathers, all bastards like them.

VorDaj on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Isikoff is finally talking about Islamic jihadist

Alex Wagner we can’t confirm that just yet

C’mon

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Did the cops not have those scary big mags.

Kissmygrits on April 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM

The last youtube I watched indicates that smoothbore muskets are the rage in liberal circles these days. Firing rate is about one shot every 30 seconds.

unclesmrgol on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Just curious, though: can you explain to us why you are so deathly afraid of the possibility that they may have trained in Pakistan?

We all know the answer, but it will be amusing to see you ‘splain it in your own words!

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:51 PM

i’m not afraid, it’s simply not true.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

gumbyandpokey on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

A) Head
B) Anus

(Some assembly required)

Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Jay Carney: I think we’re going to need a bigger Cairo speech and deeper bows, Mr. President.

Barry: FORE!

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Scanner – hostage situation – female being held by a male with a gun.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

With Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers at very high levels of this administration, this will not end

booger71 on April 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

uh oh, live stream picking up some activity.

WitchDoctor on April 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

people shouldn’t spread false information.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

i bet you’ll have eggs on your faces when we find out who did it – comments are bookmarked just in case i have to rub it in, which i’ll do with great glee.

sesquipedalian on April 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM

you were still wrong to jump to conclusions.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Some woman txting that being held at gunpoint!

pambi on April 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Report of person being held at gunpoint

youknowit on April 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM

CNN appears to be more concerned finding character witnesses for him then finding out about the truth. He loved Americans and loved to party. He was kind to his wimp friends and wrestling teammate. The terrorists was a good hang. He was like family and respected all kinds. What a pathetic excuse for a media outlet.

Rockshine on April 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM

The culture is crap. Now the Boy Scouts has officially decided to let queers in. There is no escape from the homosexual agenda.

gumbyandpokey on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I know everyone else is working this jacka$$ over for the first part of his post, but WTF is this? I don’t normally call for banning people, but I think this inciting little pr!ck deserves the ban hammer for the above. Lord knows if anyone else said that they would be banned.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM

These Chechen brothers are Islamic jihadists from Dagestan, members of a Wahhabi cell funded by Saudi al Qaeda

Chessplayer on April 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Some friendly advice: I wouldn’t use that source of yours as a reliable information outlet. They’ve been wrong (in some cases, spectacularly so) many times.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Isn’t that more appropriate for our trolls?

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

No mercy for trolls.

Woman texted her mother she is being held at gunpoint — male

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM

you saying this bomber doesn’t need to be lynched?

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Um, yes?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Ah, you’re for catch and release. Very progressive.

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

These two are Turkish.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

I’ve seen reports they spent time in Turkey when younger, but seems widely accepted at this point where they were born.
But I’m not clear where they lived the longest before coming here.

verbaluce on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Just get the f*** out of this forum you low IQ communist POS… As always you stupid communists are wrong… These two terrorists did not turn out to be right wing as you and all of you communists were hoping but islamic terrorists… How do you even dare to show up on this forum after you were so wrong, as always… Now go and f*** yourself.

mnjg on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Scanner: Ladder set up on side of house that was not there an hour ago.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

The house wasn’t there an hour ago? Whoa, these guys are good.

Bat Chain Puller on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Thread winner so far… Well played.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

people shouldn’t spread false information.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

The glee is just dripping from your every pore.

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Draw-and-quartering is too kind for White Hat.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

First, interrogate the h*ll out of him. Second, summary trial, quick conviction. Immediate execution. I’d like to see a disemboweling a la Braveheart without the beheading (too merciful). While he’s still conscious, detonate the explosives that have been packed in his yooper a la Man on Fire.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

i’m not afraid, it’s simply not true.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

you were still wrong to jump to conclusions.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

I’m also with Ed that it’s not really okay to put the entire Boston metroplex on ice for this operation. I’m sure it makes things easier for the police, and I want those guys to be safe, but it’s freaky to shut down a city for one guy.

TexasDan on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

It should be made as hassle free for the police as possible. There may be more than one and there seems to be a hell of a lot of explosives.
Were I in Boston, you would find me in the basement, under a mattress,with a gallon of warm gin and a sippy straw.

katy the mean old lady on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

he’s got her at gunpoint and allows her to send a text?

WitchDoctor on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Why don’t you address this you goddamn jackass?!?!?

BigWyo on April 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

calm down and be nice. what is there to address? jumping to conclusions without knowing key details is wrong (nb, we still don’t know what exactly motivated them).

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Wolfie doing his best rockshine

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

people shouldn’t spread false information.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Unless it’s about the right/GOP.

Then spread away no?

Gatsu on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Isn’t that more appropriate for our trolls?

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

:) He knows I was kidding right? If that came off harsh, was kidding. Almost always kidding.

Why would she text? Sneaked the text?

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Now go and f*** yourself.

mnjg on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Hey, she does this, by arguing every point from a 360 degrees angle.

You need to wish her something else.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

A) Head
B) Anus

(Some assembly required)

Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

I think this one came pre-assembled.

novaculus on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM

You shouldn’t have been breeding those bayonet lugs in your bunker. One of them escaped and hijacked the food truck. But that never happened right.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

OmG, hostage?

MontanaMmmm on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Why would she text? Sneaked the text?

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Report came via 911. I vote hoax.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Woman texted her mother she is being held at gunpoint — male

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM

“Hey do you mind if I send a quick text while you hold a gun to my head?”

-Sure, why not.

WTF.

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Ah, you’re for catch and release. Very progressive.

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

No. That’s all there is in your mind? Lynching or releasing?

I support justice, as did our founders.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

i bet you’ll have eggs on your faces when we find out who did it – comments are bookmarked just in case i have to rub it in, which i’ll do with great glee.

sesquipedalian on April 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM

How’s that glee working out for you…?

Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

people shouldn’t spread false information.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

The glee is just dripping from your every pore.

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

It’s got sh*t dripping from pores orifices alright…

ToddPA on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

calm down and be nice. what is there to address? jumping to conclusions without knowing key details is wrong (nb, we still don’t know what exactly motivated them).

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Yes, we do know – it’s world peace.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Just curious, though: can you explain to us why you are so deathly afraid of the possibility that they may have trained in Pakistan?

We all know the answer, but it will be amusing to see you ‘splain it in your own words!

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:51 PM

i’m not afraid, it’s simply not true.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Thanks for admitting you’re afraid to answer my question.

As for your “it’s simply not true” part, I notice that you snipped the part of my post that you quoted where I told you that you could easily prove the other poster was wrong about them training in Paki. The fact that you snipped that part of my post is an admission on your part that you cannot.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

We knew, buddy, we knew. Steve just hasn’t learned to appreciate your art.

novaculus on April 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

You shouldn’t have been breeding those bayonet lugs in your bunker. One of them escaped and hijacked the food truck. But that never happened right.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

If he kept the lugs away from the shoulder thing that goes up none of that would have happened.

Gatsu on April 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

calm down and be nice. what is there to address? jumping to conclusions without knowing key details is wrong (nb, we still don’t know what exactly motivated them).

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

They did it for the children.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Now you have to clean that crap off of your boot.

novaculus on April 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Yep :)…

mnjg on April 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

If this was the guy’s Twitter account, he is an OBAMA SUPPORTER!

Look at what he re-tweeted:

Barack Obama ‏@BarackObama 6 Nov

This happened because of you. Thank you.
Retweeted by Jahar

Waka Flocka Flame Waka Flocka Flame ‏@WakaFlockaBSM 6 Nov

WTF Romney is winning ?? pic.twitter.com/ulGJPsK4
Retweeted by Jahar

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Text a trap ?

pambi on April 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

we still don’t know what exactly motivated them).

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

I’m not certain the 8-yr old that died could possibly provide any motivation for them to kill him.

Or is there…..?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

CNN appears to be more concerned finding character witnesses for him then finding out about the truth. He loved Americans and loved to party. He was kind to his wimp friends and wrestling teammate. The terrorists was a good hang. He was like family and respected all kinds. What a pathetic excuse for a media outlet.

Rockshine on April 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Total scum. It’s no wonder Americans have little faith in institutions these days.

Hey, CNN: Your “good kid” set a bag of explosives BEHIND AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD LITTLE BOY!

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

calm down and be nice. what is there to address? jumping to conclusions without knowing key details is wrong (nb, we still don’t know what exactly motivated them).

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

“The police acted stupidly.”

In some areas of the nation you can be labeled a racist for using that quote.

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

calm down and be nice.
sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Demands the scumhag of HA. You are often ‘funny’.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Report said “A woman approached (so and so) saying she received a text from her daughter . . .”

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

I had to turn the channel….esh

CoffeeLover on April 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

try to catch up. FB- interests=Islam, youtube vids….
Keep hope alive, maybe they had a Romney sticker on one of the backpacks.

MontanaMmmm on April 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Emphasis on “kidding”.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

you’re confused.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I thought they already checked the roof?

(Talk about inside baseball, lol)

WitchDoctor on April 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I’m not certain the 8-yr old that died could possibly provide any motivation for them to kill him.

Or is there…..?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

They wanted an 8 year old, just like Mohammad had, and he rebuffed them.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I think this one came pre-assembled.

novaculus on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

lol

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM

It seems like they didn’t want to be caught, but neither did they really want to escape. I don’t get it.

I don’t think there’s anything to get, necessarily. Crazy is crazy. People do crazy things, and by definition, crazy can’t be rationalized.

Call it what you want, but at the end of the day, crazy is crazy.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

The resident trolls about to take another hit?

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Suspicious package; requesting robots.

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

CNN appears to be more concerned finding character witnesses for him then finding out about the truth. He loved Americans and loved to party. He was kind to his wimp friends and wrestling teammate. The terrorists was a good hang. He was like family and respected all kinds. What a pathetic excuse for a media outlet.

Rockshine on April 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM

CNN, MSLSD and the rest of their ilk are blocked in my home. Even visitors, if they happen to be watching TV can’t get to them. Gotta love those parental block functions.

Meople on April 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

calm down and be nice. what is there to address? jumping to conclusions without knowing key details is wrong (nb, we still don’t know what exactly motivated them).

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

F*** you. Die. We know what motivated them. Same thing that motivates you- hatred for the average American.

M240H on April 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Fox25 was interviewing a local mechanic who was working on a car for one of the bombers. He said that one of them came to him on Tuesday looking for the car, but it wasn’t ready.

StargazerA5 on April 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

people shouldn’t spread false information.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Take it to the White House.

Jabberwock on April 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

i’m not afraid, it’s simply not true.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Yes you are you admitted it already. You are paranoid of all the right wing wacko’s that have guns.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Um, yes?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

soo what should we do to him give him tea and biscuits? some men need to be lynched.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 1:03 PM

I’m getting carpal tunnel refreshing HA…sorry jus bitchin’…no sleep.

d1carter on April 19, 2013 at 1:03 PM

I’m not certain the 8-yr old that died could possibly provide any motivation for them to kill him.

Or is there…..?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

what motivated the highway sniper for example? i remember that some were convinced that the perps were islamists until they turned our to be a nutjob and a young partner under his influence.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 1:03 PM

He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me,’” Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview.

wow.
and the guy who helped save his life is an extraordinary HERO.

ted c on April 19, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Scanner: Ladder set up on side of house that was not there an hour ago.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

The house wasn’t there an hour ago? Whoa, these guys are good.

Bat Chain Puller on April 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

That’s what ya get from public education.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

I have a theory as to why they did my kill the person they car jacked, AP. They are ruthless killers for sure. But blowing people up and shooting cops who are actively trying to kill you or capture you is different from shooting someone at point blank range. Many killers are not able to do that, believe it or not. Killing innocent people face to face is another kind of murder from what these two have been up to.

GiantOrb on April 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Fox25 was interviewing a local mechanic who was working on a car for one of the bombers. He said that one of them came to him on Tuesday looking for the car, but it wasn’t ready.

StargazerA5 on April 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Who knew that slothful car mechanics would allow us to get at least Black Hat?

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Ah, you’re for catch and release. Very progressive.

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM

No. That’s all there is in your mind? Lynching or releasing?

I support justice, as did our founders.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

No, you support catch and release. I support justice and our founders while you support MSNBC, shameful lies, and rabid anti-Americanism.

I hope we got this straight, Sega. :-)

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

calm down and be nice. what is there to address? jumping to conclusions without knowing key details is wrong (nb, we still don’t know what exactly motivated them).

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

I’m thinking it’s the last four years of never-ending drone strikes killing muslim civilians all over the world that were ordered by Dubya.

You remember, that popular trope from 2005 or so: “We are only making more terrorists by using our military in the mideast”.

Those were the good ol’ days, huh, when liberals didn’t have to go to such awkward lengths to defend a POTUS who orders the deaths of so many people.

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

F*** you. Die. We know what motivated them. Same thing that motivates you- hatred for the average American.

M240H on April 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

one of us is having hatred issues, and it’s clearly not me.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Hey, she does this, by arguing every point from a 360 degrees angle.

You need to wish her something else.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Sequi is a she? You may be right, she may like to f*** herself… The audacity of these little communist POS who after telling us yesterday that they are going to glee because the terrorists would be right wing… now that we find out that they are islamic terrorists they not only never admit their mistake or at least not show up out on the forum, they indeed do show up on the forum and argue as they are right… These POS have no shame, you spit in their faces and they tell you it is raining…

mnjg on April 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Update: What exactly was the plan here after the bombing? The Tsarnaevs had two days to skip town and try to leave the country. They didn’t. They could have claimed responsibility publicly on behalf of themselves or some movement. They didn’t. They could have killed a bunch more people knowing that the cops would be at their door anyway sooner or later. They didn’t. It seems like they didn’t want to be caught, but neither did they really want to escape. I don’t get it.

Incompetence.

Since Sept. 11, 2001, AQ terrorists have been of low quality.

It’s a degraded organization. Unfortunately it’s not an eliminated organization.

rbj on April 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

what motivated the highway sniper for example? i remember that some were convinced that the perps were islamists until they turned our to be a nutjob and a young partner under his influence.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Who cares.

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Justice would involve traumatic amputation of lower extremities by IED, then permitting bleed-out. With an audience. I don’t think we’re going to get that.

But actually, I’m with you. Capture, interrogation, trial. Although I frankly don’t trust Obama and Holder’s DOJ to do the right thing if it is politically inconvenient and they think they can get away with not doing it.

novaculus on April 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

After all of last night’s festivities, I don’t see this guy being a cool enough customer to lay low for 12 hours.

I’m thinking a) he was wounded and died somewhere as previously posited

or

b) he made it through the perimeter in its earliest phase when it was porous in the dark and chaos was at its peak.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

you’re confused.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM

No, I’m not the one here accusing another poster of lying, and then refusing to prove that other poster is in fact doing so.

You’re that person.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 1:05 PM

sesqui, you have a task to complete, on the big thread.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 1:05 PM

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