P.M. thread: The hunt for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev; Update: Older brother spent six months overseas last year; Update: Twitter account? Update: Tsarnaev was nervous Tuesday, says mechanic; Update: Classmate saw Tsarnaev yesterday?

posted at 12:05 pm on April 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’d like to tell you where things stand as of noon ET but no one seems quite sure. Police were on the lookout for a Honda with Massachusetts plates, suggesting that Tsarnaev’s on the run, but the car’s now been recovered. Meanwhile, I keep seeing tidbits on Twitter suggesting he might be holed up somewhere with the cops outside, possibly with a suicide vest on. (What does this mean, for instance?) There was at least one report within the past two hours that the cops are looking for two suspects. Current status: Unclear. Lots of updates coming, needless to say.

While we wait for news, here’s a half-assed theory to chew on: These guys weren’t trained by professionals overseas, because no well-trained terrorist would be so stupid as to rob a convenience store in full view of surveillance cameras on the very day that their photos have been released to the media. If you’re planning a getaway after the bombing, you pile up your cash beforehand so that you’re ready to leave after the attack. And if they’re part of a group (and there are theories to that effect kicking around right now in the media), why wasn’t someone bankrolling them in the first place? For that matter, why’d they tell the driver of the car they hijacked that they were the bombers? He might not have recognized them until later if they had kept quiet, leaving them time to get away. But then, it’s also odd that they didn’t kill him right away; obviously they have no compunction about killing children and cops. Very strange.

One other question: How’d Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get away last night if Tamerlan Tsarnaev was captured at the scene of the shootout? Did the older brother get out of the car to distract the cops while the younger one drove off? I’m unclear on the tick tock.

Update: I have mixed feelings about this:

You don’t want people milling about in a park when there’s a guy with a suicide vest, guns, and ammo on the loose. But then, murder suspects are on the loose all the time in big cities and nothing shuts down for them, even though in theory they’re just as likely to go out in a blaze of nutty glory among a crowd. If you’re an aspiring terrorist, knowing that you can shut down a city for a day must be encouraging.

Update: I’m seeing on Twitter that someone on the police scanner said the Army’s bomb-disposal team is on the scene. The scanner’s not always right, but if it is this time, this may be why:

Update: A clue as to who the ringleader here was, and no surprise:

According to the WSJ, one Tsarnaev brother came here with his parents in 2002, the other on his own in 2004. Either way, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been here since he was at least 10 years old. It’s probably his brother, a followed of AQ-connected Salafist preacher Feiz Mohammed, who radicalized him, but we’ll see.

Update: Second look at the brothers possibly being part of a group?

Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev flew in and out of John F. Kennedy Airport last year and was out of the country for six months, and investigators said they want to know if he received any terror training while he was overseas, NBC 4 New York has learned.

Travel records obtained by NBC 4 New York show Tsarnaev left New York on Jan. 12, 2012 for Sheremetyevo, Russia. He stayed overseas and returned to JFK on July 17.

The travel documents show a photo of a bearded Tsarnaev.

For 10 years now, I’ve been reading counterterrorism stories claiming that Middle Eastern jihadis want white recruits in the west. Makes sense: They’ll blend in better. Just something to bear in mind vis-a-vis this mysterious overseas trip.

Meanwhile, NBC News is reporting that Tamerlan Tsarnaev became a U.S. citizen last year. On September 11. But wait — Foreign Policy claims that it was Dzhokhar who became a citizen and Tamerlan who in the process. They also say that Dzhokhar was the one who came here in 2002, meaning he’s been a U.S. resident since he was eight years old.

Update: There’s a website claiming that this is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s real Twitter account. No way to know for sure yet, but the site says they’ve got confirmation from one of Tsarnaev’s friends. Note the tweets on April 16 especially.

Update: Boston is, truly, in total lockdown.

Update: If you missed it last night, read how Jeff Bauman — the man in the wheelchair with his legs blown off in that horribly gruesome post-blast photo — helped the feds catch Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.

Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. A picture of him in a wheelchair, bloodied and ashen, was broadcast around the world as he was rushed to Boston Medical Center. He lost both legs below the knee.

“He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me,’” Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview.

Update: What exactly was the plan here after the bombing? The Tsarnaevs had two days to skip town and try to leave the country. They didn’t. They could have claimed responsibility publicly on behalf of themselves or some movement. They didn’t. They could have killed a bunch more people knowing that the cops would be at their door anyway sooner or later. They didn’t. It seems like they didn’t want to be caught, but neither did they really want to escape. I don’t get it.

Update: Not sure what to make of this tweet at the alleged Tsarnaev account. Spring break for UMass-Dartmouth did begin on March 16, but how was spring break on this guy’s mind less than a month before the bombing? Just how belatedly was this bomb plot hatched? As of March 25, he was still doing homework. Not sure this is the right account. Then again, this one from April 8 is interesting.

Update: A plea to Boston at the Volokh Conspiracy not to let terrorists hold the city hostage:

Two Chechen Islamist terrorists have succeeded in turning Boston, America’s cradle of liberty, into a prison. Just when we had gotten used to obscene lines and searches at airports as the price we pay for safety, the lockdown of Boston illustrates the extent to which civil liberties are at stake in the war on terror. Since 9/11, there has been an ongoing debate about the protection of the rights of suspected terrorists. But today’s events show that its is not just the civil liberties of terrorists at stake, but also those of millions of innocent civilians.

If Boston is “closed” for just six hours, that is 175000 man days of functional house arrest; roughly as many as would be required to keep everyone in Guantanamo confined for a year or two. No doubt the police overreaction will be severely criticized in coming days, but largely on policy grounds, not civil rights grounds.

Update: Via Newsweek, a possible answer to my question of why the Tsarnaevs didn’t kill any more people: Maybe they were planning to. And maybe they weren’t “lone wolves.”

The trail of the Tsarnaevs seems, for the moment, to remain one of lone wolves. But counterterror operatives see details that suggest a wider organization may yet be discovered. Most telling: the sheer firepower the Tsarnaevs were able to bring to bear in their shootout with police. They appeared to have several unused bombs. And because terrorists learn from each other’s actions, some counterterror analysts are speculating that they may have planned a bigger operation at the marathon, or perhaps to come. One possible example is the bloody Mumbai attack in 2008, carried out by a handful of men, which killed 164 people. “These are ‘wise guys,’” said the veteran counterterror official. “These are intelligent individuals who thought they could outsmart everybody and get away with it. They didn’t want to die. But they prepared a lot of stuff.”

This doesn’t mean al Qaeda played no role: on the question of whether the lone wolves had domestic or international grievances, the intelligence official thought it likely that they were “inspired” by al Qaeda’s ferociously anti-American ideology, which paints the United States, essentially, as the root of all evil.

Update: I missed this earlier, but according to one of the doctors at the hospital, “There were signs of more than just gunshot wounds” on Tamerlan Tsarnaev when he arrived. Presumably that means he blew himself up, but in that case, how was there enough left to try to revive him in the ER?

Update: I’m not posting them, but photos of what looks like a dead Tamerlan Tsarnaev are already floating around the ‘Net.

Update: How intense is local security?

Update: Via CBS, a heads up from Connecticut police as of 1:50 p.m. ET: Possible Boston suspect driving a green 1999 Honda Civic, Massachusetts registration 116 GC7.

Update: And just like that, CT PD says the car may have been recovered.

Update: How long was the plot in the works? Here’s something from the alleged Twitter account dated more than a year ago:

Update: Via a reader tip, here’s local news interviewing a mechanic who said he worked recently on Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s car. When Tsarnaev dropped it off for repairs two weeks ago, his behavior was normal. When he came by Tuesday, a day after the bombing, to pick it up: “Very, very nervous.” Tsarnaev also wanted his car back immediately, even though the mechanic hadn’t replaced the bumper and tail lights yet. Maybe that’s why the brothers hung around Boston — they wanted to leave town but couldn’t drive the car in that condition without getting pulled over. So they lied low for a few days to figure out what to do, then panicked yesterday after the photos were released and carjacked someone to try to get away.

One thing I don’t get, though: The FBI was whispering that it had surveillance footage on Wednesday. The brothers knew it was going to come out soon. Why not carjack someone on Wednesday night instead?

Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston

Update: Some of Rand Paul’s critics laughed at the hypothetical he emphasized in his filibuster last month but, well, here we are:

Update: Random thought: If this degenerate starts tweeting again in the middle of all this, social media will melt down.

Update: It’s no mystery how the photo of Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the morgue leaked. One word: Catharsis.

Seeing a photo of one of the Marathon bombing suspects dead was cathartic, said one law enforcement official who saw the picture.

Passing it around was a rare chance “to revel” while other officers searched for Tsarnaev’s brother, Dzhokhar the official said. “Mission accomplished. We’re halfway there. Justice is served.”

Boston police officers have been working 12-hour shifts since Monday and many were kept well past the end of their shift Friday morning after the chaos broke out Thursday night.

Another quote from the Globe, per Tsarnaev going down fighting: “You can rest assured the cops are looking for a fight right now.”

Update: Unreal if true:

He was in his dorm room? When the feds were promising that morning to release surveillance video of the bombers later that day?

Here’s video of another friend of Tsarnaev’s who said he saw the picture yesterday and, I guess, either e-mailed or texted him to say, essentially, “Watch out, people might think you’re the bomber.” Sounds like Tsarnaev didn’t respond.

Update: The best tick-tock I’ve seen of exactly what happened last night is this one from WBZ. Allegedly, the brothers stole two cars, a Honda and a Mercedes; eventually they both ended up in the latter car and the cops caught up to them. Eventually they lost control of the car and crashed it. That’s when the gunfight started and that’s when Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot, in the process of tossing some sort of bomb at the cops. Dzhokhar jumped back in the Mercedes to get away, ended up driving over his brother, and finally crashed the car again in Watertown, at which point he apparently escaped on foot. How far could he have gotten realistically with every cop in Boston looking for him?

The officer who was killed wasn’t killed during the shootout, by the way. He was ambushed and murdered in cold blood:

At 10:30 p.m. MIT campus police officer Sean Collier was found shot multiple times in his car in the area of Vassar and Main streets. He was rushed to Massachusetts General Hospital where he died.

According to WBZ-TV Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve, the brothers ambushed Collier, shot him five or six times and once in the head. Collier never drew his weapon. His gun was found in his holster. Five 9 mm shells were found at the scene.

Update: You know what? There’s no reason for me not to give you the photo of degenerate number one on the slab except that it might make people with weak stomachs queasy. If you’re one of those people, don’t click the following Reddit link. If you aren’t, have at it. And yes, per the descriptions given by cops to the Boston Globe and TMZ, that’s definitely him.

Update: Can’t vouch for the authenticity of what follows, but if someone wanted to make up a story about the Tsarnaevs today to get attention, it’d probably be more sensational than this. (“Zubeidat” is the Tsarnaevs’ mother.) Evidence of recent radicalization in the family?

During this time first one daughter and then another were set up in arranged marriages, and started having kids. This was something I found slightly disturbing, as one was just my age (18-19) and didn’t seem to be happily married. Within two years that daughter was beaten badly and eventually filed for divorce, something which was at first against her mother’s wishes. Later Zubeidat said she had accepted it because it was an unhappy marriage. He daughter then moved back into the house with her child. Her younger son, Dzhokar, was most often in the room or the room next door looking after his sister’s child while I was getting my facial. There were usually issues with parking on her crowded Cambridge Street. Sometimes she would have Dzhokar go down to the street to put the visitor parking pass into my car window (Yes, I gave him my car keys). Once he moved my car, which made me nervous as the street was so crowded and parking spots so small. In 2010-11, there was a day when Dzhokar wasn’t home, so Zubeidat took the parking pass out to the street for me. I noticed that she first put on a burka before going outside. She had never worn a burka while working at the spa and I was really surprised.

Between 2008 and 2012 I got to know her pretty well. During those 2-3 hours I spent a lot of time asking her about her personal life and her family. (I’m a writer and tend to ask people exhaustive questions about their personal lives, especially as interesting a character as this.) The burka shouldn’t have surprised me so much, because she had become increasingly religious while I was in college. She often mentioned Allah, and the lessons of the Koran. “Allah will reward him,” she said once about my brother, when I told her that my brother and mom were close, and that I thought my brother would take care of my mom later in life. She started to refuse to see boys that had gone through puberty, as she had consulted a religious figure and he had told her it was sacrilegious. She was often fasting. She told me that she had cried for days when her oldest son, Tamerlan, told her that he wanted to move out, going against her culture’s tradition of the son staying in the house with the mother until marriage. She started saying things like, “Don’t worry, there aren’t men in the house today,” when I asked if I could use the bathroom, which I thought was kind of funny at the time, since I didn’t mind if there were men in the apartment or not.

Read on for Zubeidat’s familiarity with 9/11 conspiracy theories, something you’ll also find in the archives of Dzhokhar’s alleged Twitter account. (Nothing unusual about terrorists and their supporters dismissing 9/11 as a preposterous false-flag operation while they’re busy clamoring for terror attacks against America.) She also supposedly said that her husband is crazy — a claim that appears to be true — which adds an extra dimension to all this. Did the abundance of … eccentricity in the family contribute to the Tsarnaev brothers’ descent into degeneracy?


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One other question: How’d Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get away last night if Tamerlan Tsarnaev was captured at the scene of the shootout? Did the older brother get out of the car to distract the cops while the younger one drove off? I’m unclear on the tick tock.

As I understand it, both were out and there was a shoot out. One ran towards the cops and his brother got into the suv and drove off right over his brother’s body.

I don’t think the plan was to escape alive but to just keep killing as many people as they could. Then again, people get cold feet and think they can get away. I wonder if the younger brother crawled into someplace and killed himself.

Blake on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

I think Obama is reviewing his Koran and finding an appropriate passage to read to calm the Jihadis down. /

redguy on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

request for eod for trash barrels.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Politicians are having a presser…

d1carter on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

gumbyandpokey hardest hit…

sandee on April 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Sirota

sesqui
lostmotherland
libnotfree

The only decent one is verbaluce.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Sheremetayvo, Russia…

TEA Party HQ, right?

catmman on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Patrick – no change in the shelter-in-place order.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Me angrily flipping the table.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Sweet McGillicuddy, I see it now. Nice. Where do you get such things?

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Don’t forget DBear/libnotfree

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Jeez, the younger brother became a citizen last year — on 9/11. (ABC)

PattyJ on April 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Just in time to vote for Obama.

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Saying these Muslims were radicalized is a slander to the Prophet and remember what Barack Hussein Obama said, “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”.

VorDaj on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Hey, back at it, did you make that pot of coffee? :)

MontanaMmmm on April 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

A full pot of coffee this morning. Four hours of sleep… work hurts today.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

M240H on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

you were still wrong.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Umm, yeah. Because we’re chasing Moshe Rosenbaum, the Talmudic scholar from Brooklyn- no, wait, we’re chasing Virgil Waldrip, the hunting guide from Driggs, Idaho- no, wait we’re chasing Giuseppe “Joe” d’Abruzzi the deep dish pizza maker from Lombard, Illinois …

… but no, we’re chasing a Muslim sh**bag whose hatred was further stoked by Amerika-loathing Liberal agenda of Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Yeah, you really got us on that whole projection thing. Now burst into flame and die an agonizing death.

M240H on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

CNN is doing it’s best to paint this guy as just your average American teenager who loved movies, rap music and twitter.

Rockshine on April 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

This is what I’m afraid of, that he’ll be painted as an typical angst ridden teen who was a victim too since he was brainwashed by the older brother.

tru2tx on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Or this could be part of the plan, triggered when the FBI tickled the wire by releasing their photos. If identified, create as much havoc as you can.

Gotta admit, this is getting exponentially more attention than the actual bombing received.

JohnTant on April 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

shelter-in-place is double-speak for martial law…in America on 4/19/2013.

Ayers smiles today.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Which I think in this case is definitely worth that effort.

Alana on April 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

So you have no problem declaring Martial law over a city of 4 million + because of one guy with a homemade bomb? gotcha. At some point people have to relearn the entire risk/reward system.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Why must we sit through politicians stroking their egos at a time like this? Just let the police talk and give us information.

Jack_Burton on April 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Cop looking for Blackhawk helicopter location. Strange; location is up.

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I’m getting a John Muhammad / Lee Malvo vibe here. The older brother was the leader. Ironically, the older brother who called himself “very religious” said he thought people in the US didn’t have values and won’t be able to control themselves. So his answer is to blow people up? Is that an example of controlling yourself? It’s just bizarre. And he had a girlfriend, who converted to Islam for him. I wonder if he had girlfriend problems.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

But I read he was charged with beating up his girlfriend? Hope she’s rethinking that whole conversion thing.

mbs on April 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

If they were radicalized here in the States, then the culture wars are going to ratchet up to a whole new level.

nukemhill on April 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Mark Steyn (filling in for Rush today from Ice Station E.I.B. here in NH) will no doubt send the Leftists into a frenzy with his observation that these dudes are a product of Liberal Massachusetts, since they have lived there since they were kids. That’s a great point.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Must be one scary curly-haired kid. I get the ‘be careful’ part, but, good god….who’s watching the rest of MA right now?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Good question. WRKO reported that BoFA in Plymouth was robbed earlier.

dogsoldier on April 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

you were still wrong.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM

she’s a well known liar.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Where’s urban elitist and ChumpThreads?

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Wow, a press conference where a bunch of pols say nothing.

Blake on April 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Sheremetayvo, Russia…

TEA Party HQ, right?

catmman on April 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM

One of the airports serving Moscow, if memory serves.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM

On Drudge right now:

The producers of the History Channel’s “Bible” miniseries have been taken into custody.

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM

How did #2 ram through a police roadblock? There should have been so many bullets flyin’, he’d be holier than swiss cheese. Did the cops not have those scary big mags.

Kissmygrits on April 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM

BREAKING:

Beyonce to perform show at Command Post later; will lip synch the National Anthem and perform several dance routines.

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

who’s watching the rest of MA right now?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

On the 20th anniversary of Waco to boot.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

gumbyandpokey hardest hit…

sandee on April 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Why?

They are white males, just like I said.

And all anyone is focused on is how “normal” they were and loved boxing and wrestling and smoking pot.

The culture is crap. Now the Boy Scouts has officially decided to let queers in. There is no escape from the homosexual agenda.

gumbyandpokey on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Mass State Police – We’re slowly going through the neighborhood, and there’s going to be a controlled explosion in Cambridge this afternoon.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Explosions on the house to come.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Why we need to ban general private ownership of fully-automatic weap…wait a minute – we already ban general private ownership of fully-automatic weapons.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Well, ban it again!

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Chechen president says they are evil because they were raised in America.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chechen-president-says-american-upbringing-blame_718098.html
If they were educated by libs then that could be true.

TX-eye on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Mass State Police – Leads still coming in.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

so, he was raised in blue massachusetts and blew part of it up, huh???

didn’t anybody up there teach him some tolerance/???

quick, find his union teachers….

ted c on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Must be one scary curly-haired kid. I get the ‘be careful’ part, but, good god….who’s watching the rest of MA right now?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Nobody, which is why everyone is asked to sit home nicely and behave. Hope the usual suspects do that.

Lily on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Announcing a afternoon controlled explosion in house searched this morning.

Limerick on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Where’s urban elitist and ChumpThreads?

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Still waiting for Holder to get the Talking Points ready.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

BREAKING:

Beyonce to perform show at Command Post later; will lip synch the National Anthem and perform several dance routines.

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

heh

ted c on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

CNN is doing it’s best to paint this guy as just your average American teenager who loved movies, rap music and twitter.

Rockshine on April 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

And the trigger for Monday’s massacre may have been that he got wind that NBC may cancel The New Normal, right?

Oh, good news. Kerry is at the WH.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

For 10 years now, I’ve been reading counterterrorism stories claiming that Middle Eastern jihadis want white recruits in the west

chechens are as white as bashar al assad is white

runner on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Watertown Police – You may be locked in your homes for the weekend while we clear the bombs off the streets.

No questions.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

This fool, just yesterday

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

3 suspicious trash barrels.

What are they doing, sneaking around an alley somewhere?

Damn Sesame street thugs.

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE “EXPANDED BACKGROUND CHECKS” ON PEOPLE IMMIGRATING TO THIS COUNTRY.

GarandFan on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

These guys were morons. Morons can be very dangerous, but morons.

I’m also with Ed that it’s not really okay to put the entire Boston metroplex on ice for this operation. I’m sure it makes things easier for the police, and I want those guys to be safe, but it’s freaky to shut down a city for one guy.

I really expect the next attack to be a Mumbai copy. They killed 164, wounded 308.

TexasDan on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

who’s watching the rest of MA right now?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

if the citizens of MA were armed it wouldn’t matter.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Some cops entering the 18th hour on duty.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

chechens are as white as bashar al assad is white

runner on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

These two are Turkish. Still, what does the color have to do with it.

Muslim is not a race.

Jihadists come in all colors. See Adam Gadahn.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

So you have no problem declaring Martial law over a city of 4 million + because of one guy with a homemade bomb? gotcha. At some point people have to relearn the entire risk/reward system.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Somehow I don’t think that would happen in Rock Spring, Wyoming (pop 23,000). They would have him hanging from a tree by now.

VorDaj on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Well that was a pretty pointless press conference…

Jack_Burton on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

gumbyandpokey hardest hit…

sandee on April 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Why?

They are conservative Republican white males, just like I said.

gumbyandpokey on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

quick, find his union teachers….

ted c on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

They’re all at home, barricaded with their AR’s pointed at the door.

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Explosions on the house to come.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Target practice for domestic drones?

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Well that was a pretty pointless press conference…

Jack_Burton on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

They meant to convey, and they did – explosions coming soon out of the house. Get ready.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

If they were radicalized here in the States, then the culture wars are going to ratchet up to a whole new level. There have been justifiable concerns expressed over the Wahhabi mosques peppering the country, and the apparent hatred spewing from their imams.

If these kids have ties in any way to any one of those mosques, the fight between the Left (and their media handlers) and the Right is going to go thermonuclear.

We may be on the cusp of a paradigm shift in this war. The press won’t be able to shield the public anymore.

nukemhill on April 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

I will be very curious if the Roxbury mosque plays into this at all.

roy_batty on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Rock Springs, Wyoming

VorDaj on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

People forget that Mohammed Atta was pretty White.

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Somehow I don’t think that would happen in Rock Spring, Wyoming (pop 23,000). They would have him hanging from a tree by now.

VorDaj on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Yay. Let’s bring lynchings back.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM

My buddy said there was a person in custody. Who we don’t know. That won’t be coming out soon.

They were NOT ACTING ALONE!!!

MSNBC and the rest will try to minimize it, but they cannot do this with just two people and nobody else knows.

The FBI has a history of burying multiple perps when they can contain the numbers. In Arkansas, the lone shooter kept saying “We” during interviews. Who was we?

FBI didn’t say.

or maybe didn’t look

archer52 on April 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM

And all anyone in the Democrat Media is focused on is how “normal” they were and loved boxing and wrestling and smoking pot.

gumbyandpokey on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:42 PM

These two are Turkish.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

they’re chechens from dagestan, not turks.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:42 PM

i bet you’ll have eggs on your faces when we find out who did it – comments are bookmarked just in case i have to rub it in, which i’ll do with great glee.

sesquipedalian on April 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM

you were still wrong to jump to conclusions.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Pizza is here. HA and pizza, nothing better.

Limerick on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

(sucking thumb rolled up in a ball in the corner)

gumbyandpokey on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

they’re chechens from dagestan, not turks.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:42 PM

You are a fool.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Hey tingles and wolfie are you getting this?

No right wing dudes….just Muslims….. admit it

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Folks, this is the new generation of islamic terrorists… Many of them will be living in the US and the West so it will be easier for them to conduct their terrorist attacks…

mnjg on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

They meant to convey, and they did – explosions coming soon out of the house. Get ready.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Point taken.

Jack_Burton on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Yay. Let’s bring lynchings back.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM

He would have had a proper and speedy trial. If they take him alive in Massawhatsis, he will live to be 90 with all Islam cuisine and koran and rug and visitation rights for his Imam and goats.

VorDaj on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Yay. Let’s bring lynchings back.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM
Draw-and-quartering is too kind for White Hat.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

you also lied about the brothers training in pakistan.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

they’re chechens from dagestan, not turks.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:42 PM

They’re Americans, from Boston. You jump to conclusions, which is wrong; you said so.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Why?

They are white males, just like I said.

And all anyone is focused on is how “normal” they were and loved boxing and wrestling and smoking pot.

The culture is crap. Now the Boy Scouts has officially decided to let queers in. There is no escape from the homosexual agenda.

gumbyandpokey on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Yep. Normal Cambridge, Obamabot, Zinn-indoctrinated, anti-gun, multicultural boys who are clearly misunderstood.

Yes, please own it.

M240H on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

they’re chechens from dagestan, not turks.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:42 PM

And this modifies what they did on Monday how?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Why?

They are white males, just like I said.

…..
gumbyandpokey on April 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

they all look alike to you…i’ve heard of people like you

runner on April 19, 2013 at 12:45 PM

you also lied about the brothers training in pakistan.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

No, I did not. My sources are a million times better than your imagination will ever be. You are a despicable 360 degree mental harlot.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Has that douchebag from SPLC slit his wrists yet?

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 12:45 PM

MASSACHUSETTS Governor Deval Patrick praises Imam who called for Muslims to “Grab onto the gun and sword” to show their support for Islamic terrorist suspects

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2010/05/30/massachusetts-governor-deval-patrick-praises-imam-who-called-for-muslims-to-grab-onto-the-gun-and-sword-to-show-their-support-for-islamic-terrorist-suspects/

redguy on April 19, 2013 at 12:45 PM

People forget that Mohammed Atta was pretty White.

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Term is “mighty white.”

Maybe not. That might be racist. You’d have to ask . . . an expert.

. . . not one word on Fox of the guy getting the robot colonoscopy. I don’t get it. How does that serve the cause?

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM

If he lives there will be quite the market in “Free Doucheballikov!” merchandise as well as vigil candles for the libs to hold outside his prison, tearfully calling for the guys release.

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM

PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE “EXPANDED BACKGROUND CHECKS” ON PEOPLE IMMIGRATING TO THIS COUNTRY.

GarandFan on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

It would eliminate to many prospective welfare recipients, and it would eliminate too many prospective Democratic voters.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Somehow I don’t think that would happen in Rock Spring, Wyoming (pop 23,000). They would have him hanging from a tree by now.

VorDaj on April 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

yep.

It feels like they think he has a nuke or something, how big of an area really needs to be secured geez.

MontanaMmmm on April 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM

More Mark Steyn: these dudes are products of the (Unionized Democrat) MA public school system.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I don’t think the plan was to escape alive but to just keep killing as many people as they could. Then again, people get cold feet and think they can get away. I wonder if the younger brother crawled into someplace and killed himself.

Blake on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Or died from his wounds. Wouldn’t it be b!tch if they kept this entire area shut down for the entire weekend only to find him already long dead somewhere?

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Alex wagner
Dude posted verses from Koran but that doesn’t mean he is a radicalized Muslim

Now msdnc is trying to avoid the connection
Puhleeze

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Well, it lubricates both parties: the robots arms and the human.

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

And it still has the gall to show up and spew more cat turds about.

Amazing isn’t it??

BigWyo on April 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM

They’re all at home, barricaded with their AR’s pointed at the door.

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

AR’s are old and busted. The new hotness is a double barrel shotgun with smoke coming out of the end of the barrels after firing two “blasts” into the air.

VegasRick on April 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM

It feels like they think he has a nuke or something, how big of an area really needs to be secured geez.

MontanaMmmm on April 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM

He blasted his way out of a shootout with a few dozen cops more than a dozen hours ago. I’d say that would require a rather substantial perimeter.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Folks, this is the new generation of islamic terrorists… Many of them will be living in the US and the West so it will be easier for them to conduct their terrorist attacks…

mnjg on April 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM

True. And they’re being influenced and further radicalized by our wacko-leftist universities. And given the perfect cover by CAIR, the ACLU, political correctness, and the Socialist, Islam-loving, State-Run media.

Meople on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Let’s bring lynchings back.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM

you saying this bomber doesn’t need to be lynched?

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

A ladder……

Yes, now that is suspicious. A ladder propped on a house.

Look, over there….a McDonalds’ wrapper in the bush. Get the bomb squad and CSI up here…there may be DNA evidence that proves the suspect had breakfast.

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

And this modifies what they did on Monday how?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

it doesn’t, but people shouldn’t spread false information.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Scanner: Ladder set up on side of house that was not there an hour ago.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

2nd that tru2tx

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Listening to the scanner traffic, they have no idea where he is.

youknowit on April 19, 2013 at 12:49 PM

I don’t think it’s cowering in fear. I think it’s clearing the area, and going over everywhere with a fine tooth comb. That’s a lot easier to do when everybody stops in place and stays off the street for them to do it. For them to get him before he gets out and gets away. Which I think in this case is definitely worth that effort.

Alana on April 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

So you’re okay with effectively putting an entire city under martial law to catch one man? Because I’m certainly not.

Shump on April 19, 2013 at 12:49 PM

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