P.M. thread: The hunt for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev; Update: Older brother spent six months overseas last year; Update: Twitter account? Update: Tsarnaev was nervous Tuesday, says mechanic; Update: Classmate saw Tsarnaev yesterday?

posted at 12:05 pm on April 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’d like to tell you where things stand as of noon ET but no one seems quite sure. Police were on the lookout for a Honda with Massachusetts plates, suggesting that Tsarnaev’s on the run, but the car’s now been recovered. Meanwhile, I keep seeing tidbits on Twitter suggesting he might be holed up somewhere with the cops outside, possibly with a suicide vest on. (What does this mean, for instance?) There was at least one report within the past two hours that the cops are looking for two suspects. Current status: Unclear. Lots of updates coming, needless to say.

While we wait for news, here’s a half-assed theory to chew on: These guys weren’t trained by professionals overseas, because no well-trained terrorist would be so stupid as to rob a convenience store in full view of surveillance cameras on the very day that their photos have been released to the media. If you’re planning a getaway after the bombing, you pile up your cash beforehand so that you’re ready to leave after the attack. And if they’re part of a group (and there are theories to that effect kicking around right now in the media), why wasn’t someone bankrolling them in the first place? For that matter, why’d they tell the driver of the car they hijacked that they were the bombers? He might not have recognized them until later if they had kept quiet, leaving them time to get away. But then, it’s also odd that they didn’t kill him right away; obviously they have no compunction about killing children and cops. Very strange.

One other question: How’d Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get away last night if Tamerlan Tsarnaev was captured at the scene of the shootout? Did the older brother get out of the car to distract the cops while the younger one drove off? I’m unclear on the tick tock.

Update: I have mixed feelings about this:

You don’t want people milling about in a park when there’s a guy with a suicide vest, guns, and ammo on the loose. But then, murder suspects are on the loose all the time in big cities and nothing shuts down for them, even though in theory they’re just as likely to go out in a blaze of nutty glory among a crowd. If you’re an aspiring terrorist, knowing that you can shut down a city for a day must be encouraging.

Update: I’m seeing on Twitter that someone on the police scanner said the Army’s bomb-disposal team is on the scene. The scanner’s not always right, but if it is this time, this may be why:

Update: A clue as to who the ringleader here was, and no surprise:

According to the WSJ, one Tsarnaev brother came here with his parents in 2002, the other on his own in 2004. Either way, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been here since he was at least 10 years old. It’s probably his brother, a followed of AQ-connected Salafist preacher Feiz Mohammed, who radicalized him, but we’ll see.

Update: Second look at the brothers possibly being part of a group?

Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev flew in and out of John F. Kennedy Airport last year and was out of the country for six months, and investigators said they want to know if he received any terror training while he was overseas, NBC 4 New York has learned.

Travel records obtained by NBC 4 New York show Tsarnaev left New York on Jan. 12, 2012 for Sheremetyevo, Russia. He stayed overseas and returned to JFK on July 17.

The travel documents show a photo of a bearded Tsarnaev.

For 10 years now, I’ve been reading counterterrorism stories claiming that Middle Eastern jihadis want white recruits in the west. Makes sense: They’ll blend in better. Just something to bear in mind vis-a-vis this mysterious overseas trip.

Meanwhile, NBC News is reporting that Tamerlan Tsarnaev became a U.S. citizen last year. On September 11. But wait — Foreign Policy claims that it was Dzhokhar who became a citizen and Tamerlan who in the process. They also say that Dzhokhar was the one who came here in 2002, meaning he’s been a U.S. resident since he was eight years old.

Update: There’s a website claiming that this is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s real Twitter account. No way to know for sure yet, but the site says they’ve got confirmation from one of Tsarnaev’s friends. Note the tweets on April 16 especially.

Update: Boston is, truly, in total lockdown.

Update: If you missed it last night, read how Jeff Bauman — the man in the wheelchair with his legs blown off in that horribly gruesome post-blast photo — helped the feds catch Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.

Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. A picture of him in a wheelchair, bloodied and ashen, was broadcast around the world as he was rushed to Boston Medical Center. He lost both legs below the knee.

“He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me,’” Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview.

Update: What exactly was the plan here after the bombing? The Tsarnaevs had two days to skip town and try to leave the country. They didn’t. They could have claimed responsibility publicly on behalf of themselves or some movement. They didn’t. They could have killed a bunch more people knowing that the cops would be at their door anyway sooner or later. They didn’t. It seems like they didn’t want to be caught, but neither did they really want to escape. I don’t get it.

Update: Not sure what to make of this tweet at the alleged Tsarnaev account. Spring break for UMass-Dartmouth did begin on March 16, but how was spring break on this guy’s mind less than a month before the bombing? Just how belatedly was this bomb plot hatched? As of March 25, he was still doing homework. Not sure this is the right account. Then again, this one from April 8 is interesting.

Update: A plea to Boston at the Volokh Conspiracy not to let terrorists hold the city hostage:

Two Chechen Islamist terrorists have succeeded in turning Boston, America’s cradle of liberty, into a prison. Just when we had gotten used to obscene lines and searches at airports as the price we pay for safety, the lockdown of Boston illustrates the extent to which civil liberties are at stake in the war on terror. Since 9/11, there has been an ongoing debate about the protection of the rights of suspected terrorists. But today’s events show that its is not just the civil liberties of terrorists at stake, but also those of millions of innocent civilians.

If Boston is “closed” for just six hours, that is 175000 man days of functional house arrest; roughly as many as would be required to keep everyone in Guantanamo confined for a year or two. No doubt the police overreaction will be severely criticized in coming days, but largely on policy grounds, not civil rights grounds.

Update: Via Newsweek, a possible answer to my question of why the Tsarnaevs didn’t kill any more people: Maybe they were planning to. And maybe they weren’t “lone wolves.”

The trail of the Tsarnaevs seems, for the moment, to remain one of lone wolves. But counterterror operatives see details that suggest a wider organization may yet be discovered. Most telling: the sheer firepower the Tsarnaevs were able to bring to bear in their shootout with police. They appeared to have several unused bombs. And because terrorists learn from each other’s actions, some counterterror analysts are speculating that they may have planned a bigger operation at the marathon, or perhaps to come. One possible example is the bloody Mumbai attack in 2008, carried out by a handful of men, which killed 164 people. “These are ‘wise guys,’” said the veteran counterterror official. “These are intelligent individuals who thought they could outsmart everybody and get away with it. They didn’t want to die. But they prepared a lot of stuff.”

This doesn’t mean al Qaeda played no role: on the question of whether the lone wolves had domestic or international grievances, the intelligence official thought it likely that they were “inspired” by al Qaeda’s ferociously anti-American ideology, which paints the United States, essentially, as the root of all evil.

Update: I missed this earlier, but according to one of the doctors at the hospital, “There were signs of more than just gunshot wounds” on Tamerlan Tsarnaev when he arrived. Presumably that means he blew himself up, but in that case, how was there enough left to try to revive him in the ER?

Update: I’m not posting them, but photos of what looks like a dead Tamerlan Tsarnaev are already floating around the ‘Net.

Update: How intense is local security?

Update: Via CBS, a heads up from Connecticut police as of 1:50 p.m. ET: Possible Boston suspect driving a green 1999 Honda Civic, Massachusetts registration 116 GC7.

Update: And just like that, CT PD says the car may have been recovered.

Update: How long was the plot in the works? Here’s something from the alleged Twitter account dated more than a year ago:

Update: Via a reader tip, here’s local news interviewing a mechanic who said he worked recently on Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s car. When Tsarnaev dropped it off for repairs two weeks ago, his behavior was normal. When he came by Tuesday, a day after the bombing, to pick it up: “Very, very nervous.” Tsarnaev also wanted his car back immediately, even though the mechanic hadn’t replaced the bumper and tail lights yet. Maybe that’s why the brothers hung around Boston — they wanted to leave town but couldn’t drive the car in that condition without getting pulled over. So they lied low for a few days to figure out what to do, then panicked yesterday after the photos were released and carjacked someone to try to get away.

One thing I don’t get, though: The FBI was whispering that it had surveillance footage on Wednesday. The brothers knew it was going to come out soon. Why not carjack someone on Wednesday night instead?

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Update: Some of Rand Paul’s critics laughed at the hypothetical he emphasized in his filibuster last month but, well, here we are:

Update: Random thought: If this degenerate starts tweeting again in the middle of all this, social media will melt down.

Update: It’s no mystery how the photo of Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the morgue leaked. One word: Catharsis.

Seeing a photo of one of the Marathon bombing suspects dead was cathartic, said one law enforcement official who saw the picture.

Passing it around was a rare chance “to revel” while other officers searched for Tsarnaev’s brother, Dzhokhar the official said. “Mission accomplished. We’re halfway there. Justice is served.”

Boston police officers have been working 12-hour shifts since Monday and many were kept well past the end of their shift Friday morning after the chaos broke out Thursday night.

Another quote from the Globe, per Tsarnaev going down fighting: “You can rest assured the cops are looking for a fight right now.”

Update: Unreal if true:

He was in his dorm room? When the feds were promising that morning to release surveillance video of the bombers later that day?

Here’s video of another friend of Tsarnaev’s who said he saw the picture yesterday and, I guess, either e-mailed or texted him to say, essentially, “Watch out, people might think you’re the bomber.” Sounds like Tsarnaev didn’t respond.

Update: The best tick-tock I’ve seen of exactly what happened last night is this one from WBZ. Allegedly, the brothers stole two cars, a Honda and a Mercedes; eventually they both ended up in the latter car and the cops caught up to them. Eventually they lost control of the car and crashed it. That’s when the gunfight started and that’s when Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot, in the process of tossing some sort of bomb at the cops. Dzhokhar jumped back in the Mercedes to get away, ended up driving over his brother, and finally crashed the car again in Watertown, at which point he apparently escaped on foot. How far could he have gotten realistically with every cop in Boston looking for him?

The officer who was killed wasn’t killed during the shootout, by the way. He was ambushed and murdered in cold blood:

At 10:30 p.m. MIT campus police officer Sean Collier was found shot multiple times in his car in the area of Vassar and Main streets. He was rushed to Massachusetts General Hospital where he died.

According to WBZ-TV Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve, the brothers ambushed Collier, shot him five or six times and once in the head. Collier never drew his weapon. His gun was found in his holster. Five 9 mm shells were found at the scene.

Update: You know what? There’s no reason for me not to give you the photo of degenerate number one on the slab except that it might make people with weak stomachs queasy. If you’re one of those people, don’t click the following Reddit link. If you aren’t, have at it. And yes, per the descriptions given by cops to the Boston Globe and TMZ, that’s definitely him.

Update: Can’t vouch for the authenticity of what follows, but if someone wanted to make up a story about the Tsarnaevs today to get attention, it’d probably be more sensational than this. (“Zubeidat” is the Tsarnaevs’ mother.) Evidence of recent radicalization in the family?

During this time first one daughter and then another were set up in arranged marriages, and started having kids. This was something I found slightly disturbing, as one was just my age (18-19) and didn’t seem to be happily married. Within two years that daughter was beaten badly and eventually filed for divorce, something which was at first against her mother’s wishes. Later Zubeidat said she had accepted it because it was an unhappy marriage. He daughter then moved back into the house with her child. Her younger son, Dzhokar, was most often in the room or the room next door looking after his sister’s child while I was getting my facial. There were usually issues with parking on her crowded Cambridge Street. Sometimes she would have Dzhokar go down to the street to put the visitor parking pass into my car window (Yes, I gave him my car keys). Once he moved my car, which made me nervous as the street was so crowded and parking spots so small. In 2010-11, there was a day when Dzhokar wasn’t home, so Zubeidat took the parking pass out to the street for me. I noticed that she first put on a burka before going outside. She had never worn a burka while working at the spa and I was really surprised.

Between 2008 and 2012 I got to know her pretty well. During those 2-3 hours I spent a lot of time asking her about her personal life and her family. (I’m a writer and tend to ask people exhaustive questions about their personal lives, especially as interesting a character as this.) The burka shouldn’t have surprised me so much, because she had become increasingly religious while I was in college. She often mentioned Allah, and the lessons of the Koran. “Allah will reward him,” she said once about my brother, when I told her that my brother and mom were close, and that I thought my brother would take care of my mom later in life. She started to refuse to see boys that had gone through puberty, as she had consulted a religious figure and he had told her it was sacrilegious. She was often fasting. She told me that she had cried for days when her oldest son, Tamerlan, told her that he wanted to move out, going against her culture’s tradition of the son staying in the house with the mother until marriage. She started saying things like, “Don’t worry, there aren’t men in the house today,” when I asked if I could use the bathroom, which I thought was kind of funny at the time, since I didn’t mind if there were men in the apartment or not.

Read on for Zubeidat’s familiarity with 9/11 conspiracy theories, something you’ll also find in the archives of Dzhokhar’s alleged Twitter account. (Nothing unusual about terrorists and their supporters dismissing 9/11 as a preposterous false-flag operation while they’re busy clamoring for terror attacks against America.) She also supposedly said that her husband is crazy — a claim that appears to be true — which adds an extra dimension to all this. Did the abundance of … eccentricity in the family contribute to the Tsarnaev brothers’ descent into degeneracy?


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Marco on April 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM

and Marcophones :)

El_Terrible on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

You’re joking, right?

Jackalope on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Do you think the distinction is important or immaterial?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Oups sorry, bobmbx, , I was replying to schade, about the morgue picture.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Muslims are often inspired by their books, their pious tales of righteous warriors and the example of Mohammed, and these things become combined in their minds with Islam’s inherent fatalism and nihilism. Once you understand the inspiration and ideology the actions are seen to follow naturally.

YiZhangZhe on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Not to mention the 72 virgins (all of whom look like Helen Thomas).

bw222 on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

The Newton massacre was probably celebrated by jihadists, but can’t let their joy dictate how we respond to it.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Wasn’t aware there had been a massacre in Newton. That’s right along the Boston Marathon Route.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Local LA Fox anchors: What could have motivated them? Makes no sense.

El_Terrible on April 19, 2013 at 3:45 PM

I don’t argue with fools who say islam is terrorism it’s not worth a thing, let an idiot remain an idiot—
Jahar (@J_tsar) January 16, 2013

He and sesqui would have gotten along fab.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

jimver, did you see the pic?

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Yep, not pretty.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Hello HotAir! Long time, no talk!

I’ve been watching this on FoxNews on my office computer, and is it just me, or is it totally creepy that the military are driving around the Boston area in trucks and tanks with loaded weapons like it’s a war zone? I mean, c’mon it’s one guy. I know that he may have bombs, gun, and ammunition, but geez, it’s one guy. I guess they are going door to door looking for this guy, so maybe that’s why there is so much manpower? Hopefully this shutdown of Boston isn’t giving other terrorists ideas. Just a comment.

Susanboo on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

If you haven’t noticed, Troll. You’re not exactly admired around here.

Reality is a tough concerpt for you to grasp, isn’t it?

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

This thread has basically been one long, running fight with a bunch of liberal sickos throwing a babyish temper tantrum because they didn’t get their “Tea Party terrorist.” It’s easily been one of the worst threads I can remember on HA and I’ve largely avoided refreshes and commenting because of it.

I think we ought re-introduce the “trollcott.” It worked amazingly well in the runup to the 2012 elections. Otherwise we will have to listen these sickos and nutcases crying and screaming at least for the rest of the day.

Doomberg on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Here’s video of another friend of Tsarnaev’s who said he saw the picture yesterday and, I guess, either e-mailed or texted him to say, essentially, “Watch out, people might think you’re the bomber.” Sounds like Tsarnaev didn’t respond.

That’s how you can tell he wasn’t a real American youth. I swear a real American under the age of 30 could figure out a way to text someone back even if they were in the middle of blowing themselves up during a shootout with a SWAT team.

Lily on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

is it just me, or is it totally creepy that the military are driving around the Boston area in trucks and tanks with loaded weapons like it’s a war zone? I mean, c’mon it’s one guy. I know that he may have bombs, gun, and ammunition, but geez, it’s one guy. I guess they are going door to door looking for this guy, so maybe that’s why there is so much manpower? Hopefully this shutdown of Boston isn’t giving other terrorists ideas. Just a comment.

Susanboo on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Military style weapons don’t belong on US streets!

El_Terrible on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

a hostage rescue ,, when did a hostage get taken,,,??

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

this is njot the time for partisanship

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 2:13 PM

You wouldn’t be saying that if the brothers were redneck conservatives from Georgia. When he thought the killers might be conservatives, Chris Matthews thought his wet dream came true – just like at Newtown.

bw222 on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

back to the home land this summer word—
Jahar (@J_tsar) March 22, 2012

a decade in america already, i want out—
Jahar (@J_tsar) March 14, 2012

couple more of his tweets or is this a cry for help liberals?

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Susanboo on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Here’s the problem. Is it just one guy? Or, are there more acoomplices? How does a 19 yr old stay one step ahead like this, without help?

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Susanboo on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Yeah. The message we are presently sending islamist terrorists is to stop with the crazy suicide bombers. Instead, just send five or six heavily armed terrorists into 5 or 6 different metropolitan areas. Have them attack a police officer or two, make their identities known as terrorists, use heavy firepower and… BINGO, you shut down the entire city.

Aren’t we giving them exactly what they want right now?

Longing4Lincoln on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

I hope you’re ok. I read they took his gun. I never claimed any more/less.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

AP earlier updated this thread to include that very information. It had been up there for quite a while but you must have missed it?

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Do you think the distinction is important or immaterial?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

To what??

Oh Zen above-it-all Master.

BigWyo on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

That’s how you can tell he wasn’t a real American youth. I swear a real American under the age of 30 could figure out a way to text someone back even if they were in the middle of blowing themselves up during a shootout with a SWAT team.

Lily on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

OMG! srsly rt?! lol! g2g YOLO!

El_Terrible on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Do you think the distinction is important or immaterial?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Sorry, I don’t feed trolls.

Jackalope on April 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Local LA Fox anchors: What could have motivated them? Makes no sense.

El_Terrible on April 19, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Political correctness numbs the senses (and the brain).

bw222 on April 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

if it looks like a test
if it smells like a test
if you feel like your being tested
if you see evidence that sure makes it look like a test

//////

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

From Judicial Watch:

Boston Bomber Could Have Been Deported After 2009 Conviction

One of the Chechen terrorists who carried out the Boston Marathon bombings could have been deported years ago after a criminal conviction and the other was granted American citizenship on the 11th anniversary of the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who nevertheless could have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence conviction, according to a Judicial Watch source. That means the Obama administration missed an opportunity to deport Tsarnaev but evidently didn’t feel he represented a big enough threat….

Someone notify Obama, then Rubio & his Gang of Eight.

INC on April 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Did the abundance of … eccentricity ISLAM in the family contribute to the Tsarnaev brothers’ descent into degeneracy?

Yep.

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Wasn’t aware there had been a massacre in Newton. That’s right along the Boston Marathon Route.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Yep, same route run by “Mohammed Atta”

Mohammed Atta was also white. You remember him, don’t you?

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

He and sesqui would have gotten along fab.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

yeap it’s almost as if our enemies are purposely trying to run interference or something.

I mean you have a islamic terrorist saying those that believe in islamic terrorism are idiots.

that’s like Toyko RoveRose during WW2.

Like I said before we are at war people time to wake up.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

AP earlier updated this thread to include that very information. It had been up there for quite a while but you must have missed it?

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

I did and I’m sorry. So much, so fast. I will repent :)

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Local LA Fox anchors: What could have motivated them? Makes no sense.

El_Terrible on April 19, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Yes, this is going to be the theme on ALL news regarding these two terrorists. The motivation will be anything BUT their radical Islamic views.

This is going to turn into Ft. Hood all over again. Hey OBots, full speed ahead on the cover up of anything related to Islam in this whole thing.

Meople on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

That’s how you can tell he wasn’t a real American youth. I swear a real American under the age of 30 could figure out a way to text someone back even if they were in the middle of blowing themselves up during a shootout with a SWAT team.

Lily on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

ROFLMAO :) agreed :) There’s a silly intern in my office right now who’s tweeting or txting himself into oblivion . i swear I want to slap him.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Sorry, I don’t feed trolls.

Jackalope on April 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

…he replies…

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

If this was a terrorist test to discover America’s state of readiness and attitude toward soft target attacks, the results mostly favor terrorists continuing such attacks. Two young men (perhaps with a little help from a small cell-or, perhaps not), not terribly competent (no face hiding, no getaway car, no escape money) tied up a major American city for the better part of a week, created panic and recriminations,political sniping— cost billions of dollars in lost productivity and government services and overtime, exposed government agencies to be clueless and incompetent–and today locked down the entire city of Boston–and focused the entire attention of the USA and, indeed, the world-and all because of, what in Afghanistan or Iraq would be considered a couple of every day, standard IEDs.

What could twenty terrorist teams in twenty American cities all coordinating their efforts simultaneously accomplish. Was this a trial run????

MaiDee on April 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

How can this not be giving terrorists ideas? In my experience there is general feeling of my bomb is bigger than yours. The next young fool is going to try to prove smarter than these two and do it “right”.
Tanks and they can’t find a 19 yo? A major city shut down? Wow, just wow.

ORconservative on April 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

…he replies…

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

He self-identifies.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:54 PM

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

I had a feeling this thing wouldn’t be over yet. Glad I went to sleep when I did. I hope you didn’t waste more time staying awake last night.

Longing4Lincoln on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Well the dude looks dead. Dead and seriously embarrassed if that facial blush means anything. You Muslim apologists can say that in the end he regretted hijacking beautiful Islam.

BL@KBIRD on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

NY Times making it all about the media of course.
They are already attempting to soften the criticism for most of the media getting so much wrong.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/media-becomes-part-of-story-in-boston-manhunt.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&smid=tw-share

weaselyone on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Did the abundance of … eccentricity in the family contribute to the Tsarnaev brothers’ descent into degeneracy?

Many families are eccentric but they don’t have members doing what happened here.

JR on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

That guy being interviewed, (I couldn’t find it in time to stop it…) sounds very sincere. He looks very very nice.

But it makes you wonder if anyone is genuinely nice who practices Islam.

I mean if his Muslim friends are so shocked, how are we (outsiders) supposed to tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys?

The interviewee is also very young, and young people are often poor judges of character. Moreover if they have been indoctrinated into moral relativism they would be colour blind to red flags that would be obvious to somebody with a non-relativistic morality.

Christian bad guys are seldom the ones people say, “He was always so nice and wouldn’t hurt a flea.” It’s usually, “Yeah, we knew he was heading for trouble.”

Christian bad kids get kicked out of class and get in trouble for smaller stuff long before they commit mass murder.

Mass murder as your first sin is weird.

petunia on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

First, it is weird within a typical Protestant (for example) moral framework but within some other moral frameworks, what these two young men just did wasn’t a sin, wasn’t evil at all. If they were living their lives within such a framework then they could indeed have been polite, quiet, kind to kittens, generous, studious and planning to kill infidels — and at all times they would have been aspiring to live to a high moral standard.

Second, if the Devil has already owned your soul in full are you are already fully willing to do his bidding, he doesn’t need to lead you slowly along the slippery slope of sins to ensnare you; you are already a tool waiting to be used.

YiZhangZhe on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

For our Leftist Bridge Dwellers here, some Jumping to Conclusions 101 is in order…

1. CNN was very quick to assign a false blame. Immediately after the bombing, and during live coverage thereafter, Peter Bergen (national security analyst at CNN) blamed the attack on Domestic Right Wing operatives, without any evidence whatsoever.

2. April 16th, Far-Right Rethuglican Chris Matthews: “I was just thinking, again, it’s early; it’s an early situation, but going after the Kennedy Library, not something at Bunker Hill, not something from the freedom trail or anything that kind of historic, but a modern political figure of the Democratic Party. Does that tell you anything?…..Let me ask you about domestic terrorism as a category. Normally, domestic terrorists, people tend to be on the far right, well that’s not a good category, just extremists, let’s call them that.”

3. Forest Service representative Stephanie Johnson tweeted: “I fear nutty logic goes like this … Patriots Day. April 15. Tax Day. Bad government. Boston. Tea Party. Let’s show ‘em,”.

4. April 17, NPR’s Dina Temple-Raston: “Well, officials told us that they have some promising leads though no actual smoking gun. They expect this case will take weeks, not months to solve. The thinking, as we’ve been reporting, is that this is a domestic, extremist attack. And officials are leaning that way, largely because of the timing of the attack. April is a big month for anti-government and right-wing individuals.”

5. April 18, MCNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell: ‘the NRA is in the Business of Helping Bombers Get Away With Their Crimes’

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

correction:

If you’re an aspiring terrorist, knowing that you can shut down a city a politically correct city for a day must be encouraging.

I am a movie fan, especially sci fi. Earlier sci fi typically has a threat from outer space, a monster, body snatchers and the heros join together to defeat them. Look at ET.

Typical made for tv fare now might have a global warming flood, or asteroid attack, or alien, and people are shown how to wait for a rescue from FEMA, or the CDC or scientific specialists. Lot of weeping too

The new script calls for the populace to turtle until the government, or the specialists come to the rescue. Real life Columbine the hero was the one who had the victims hide under desks. The lessons are soaking in.

On the other hand, I grew up in a rough neighborhood. They might tell that crowd to turtle, but if trouble comes near them, someone terroist head might just be put through the concrete. Obey? my fist!

entagor on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Here’s the problem. Is it just one guy? Or, are there more acoomplices? How does a 19 yr old stay one step ahead like this, without help?

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Yeah. The message we are presently sending islamist terrorists is to stop with the crazy suicide bombers. Instead, just send five or six heavily armed terrorists into 5 or 6 different metropolitan areas. Have them attack a police officer or two, make their identities known as terrorists, use heavy firepower and… BINGO, you shut down the entire city.

Aren’t we giving them exactly what they want right now?

Longing4Lincoln on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

You are both correct! We are dealing with a situation totally unfamiliar to this Country, but where do our rights to move about freely stop and end in a situation like this? It’s really depressing to see the things that we have allowed these damn terrorists to do to our freedom!

Susanboo on April 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

kind of spooky how 4 million people just shut themselves in their homes and wait for the “police” to tell them what to do…..So much for independence and adults living in the northeast.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

How can this not be giving terrorists ideas? In my experience there is general feeling of my bomb is bigger than yours. The next young fool is going to try to prove smarter than these two and do it “right”.
Tanks and they can’t find a 19 yo? A major city shut down? Wow, just wow.

ORconservative on April 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

I have a feeling that these 2 cockroaches are part of a bigger nest.

And this only emboldens the already Al Queda sympathetic muslims here in the states. Islam is on fire all around the globe, I have a feeling it might start here in the states.

portlandon on April 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Did any of the numerous family members living in North America call the FBI to ID those two Uday Qusay wannabees after their pictures were introduced yesterday at 530? Including the “patriotic” uncle? Just askin, anyone see this addressed at all?

Western_Civ on April 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Yep as predicted the left will try to canonize these 2. Sean Penn & Tom Hanks will star in the movie directed by Robert Redford or Michael Moore.

redridinghood on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

How can this not be giving terrorists ideas? In my experience there is general feeling of my bomb is bigger than yours. The next young fool is going to try to prove smarter than these two and do it “right”.
Tanks and they can’t find a 19 yo? A major city shut down? Wow, just wow.

ORconservative on April 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

The question we should ask, is this a prelude to Red Dawn or Hunger Games?

JonPrichard on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

“If you aren’t, have at it.”

Thanks Allah…!

Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

entagor on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

good points.

JR on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

yeah i saw those too- i went through the guy’s entire twitter! it goes back to oct 25th, 2011. most of his tweets are typical college guy tweets. some of them are a little weird but, people say weird/creepy things on twitter all the time. it’s so strange to go through his tweets and realize that he is a bomber. i just wonder what his motivation was. he had tweets related to islam but those tweets were not advocating violence in the name of islam. so yeah i guess this guy is so much more than his twitter account reveals.

Sachiko on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

weaselyone on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Where was the NY Time’s criticism of the 2011 Tucson shootings when Sarah Palin and the whole Tea Party were smeared?

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Here’s the problem. Is it just one guy? Or, are there more acoomplices? How does a 19 yr old stay one step ahead like this, without help?

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM

I thought the same thing. The area is highly residential, and I’m sure there is concern for the possibility of collateral damage. Maybe law enforcement is trying to keep him moving until he screws up, or ends up in an optimal place for a take down?

HarryBackside on April 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM

ROFLMAO :) agreed :) There’s a silly intern in my office right now who’s tweeting or txting himself into oblivion . i swear I want to slap him.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

I know what you mean. Apparently they think nobody notices that they sit with their hands in their laps and smile at their crotches all day.

Lily on April 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Spot on meople @3:52
ABM

Anything
But
Muslim

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Wasn’t aware there had been a massacre in Newton. That’s right along the Boston Marathon Route.

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Yep, same route run by “Mohammed Atta”

Mohammed Atta was also white. You remember him, don’t you?

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

The city is the terrorist’s friend; Mohammed Atta studied urban planning.

Z———-

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Appreciate that condensed version. Was looking for a wrap-up like that, though I know there are many more. Newsbusters will probably do a thorough wrap.

Western_Civ on April 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM

but where do our rights to move about freely stop and end in a situation like this?
Susanboo on April 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

they stop and end where we allow them too. You trying to tell me the “police” could have stopped 4 million people from going outside. No those people allowed themselves to be directed by the authorities. all they had to do is make a decision that they would go outside. Not any “force” could stop them if they decided to do so. Instead they allowed themselves to be little children afraid to come out of their rooms.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM

It’s really depressing to see the things that we have allowed these damn terrorists to do to our freedom!

Susanboo on April 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

In that vein, how many innocent civilians have been arrested, taken into custody, or had loaded guns pointed at them by police officers in the last 18 hours in Boston?

I put the over/under at 1000.

Longing4Lincoln on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

On Posse Comatatas (sp) troops inside the U.S.
Both Bush and Obama got the orginal law/laws watered down using the terror angle

latest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012

Pres. can ask for troops to help when it is terrorist.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Mohammed Atta was also white. You remember him, don’t you?

Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Too many don’t realize that many people of the middle east and north Africa are in fact white….and muslim. Hard lesson for the racist liberals.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

He self-identifies.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 3:54 PM

blogging equivalent of a drone strike KJ, nice shot

DanMan on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

DanMan on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Thankyaverymuch1

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Islam is NOT a religion, it’s a death cult. There is a difference.

Death cults should not be afforded protection under the 1st Amendment.

Axion on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM

so yeah i guess this guy is so much more than his twitter account reveals.

Sachiko on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

read them with the knowledge of when his brother came back form his “overseas vacation” seems he underwent somewhat of a change after that…

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Just saw the picture of the COEXIST bumper sticker on the stolen car. Oh the irony…

Jackalope on April 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM

This is playing out in the MSM just as we predicted.

If white guy with just a whiff of conservative leanings…condemn the TEA party, Republicans, and conservatives with broad brush.

Muslim Terrorist?…..We just can’t figure out the motivation and must be an isolated incident.

WisRich on April 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM

If this was a terrorist test to discover America’s state of readiness and attitude toward soft target attacks, the results mostly favor terrorists continuing such attacks. Two young men (perhaps with a little help from a small cell-or, perhaps not), not terribly competent (no face hiding, no getaway car, no escape money) tied up a major American city for the better part of a week, created panic and recriminations,political sniping— cost billions of dollars in lost productivity and government services and overtime, exposed government agencies to be clueless and incompetent–and today locked down the entire city of Boston–and focused the entire attention of the USA and, indeed, the world-and all because of, what in Afghanistan or Iraq would be considered a couple of every day, standard IEDs.

That’s a fair point. It could incentivize copy-cats.

What could twenty terrorist teams in twenty American cities all coordinating their efforts simultaneously accomplish. Was this a trial run????

MaiDee on April 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Probably nothing. This day and age, if they try to coordinate something that large the planning stages will raise enough red flags that in all likelihood they will get caught long before putting any plans to action.

These guys flew under the radar because of small operation involving two brothers in their own house.

lester on April 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM

the wtc

bombers have nothing to do with this.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Translation:

Dang it! Stop providing examples! Proof of prior stupid acts by terrorists does not invalidate my insane theory that it was one-eyed, one-horned giant purple people eaters smuggling Elvis memorabilia using these two poor stooges to drop that memorabilia at a crowded location where it could have been stolen by strangers.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM

AZfederalist on April 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Jackalope on April 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM

A classic moment, indeed.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Drudge bringing the Islamist angle to the foreground:

“BOSTON JIHAD”

Longing4Lincoln on April 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

so is there anything we can ban? or anyone or thing we can use for props to make a point. i mean lets not let a tragedy go to waste.

phatfawzi on April 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

is it just me, or is it totally creepy that the military are driving around the Boston area in trucks and tanks with loaded weapons like it’s a war zone? I mean, c’mon it’s one guy. I know that he may have bombs, gun, and ammunition, but geez, it’s one guy. I guess they are going door to door looking for this guy, so maybe that’s why there is so much manpower? Hopefully this shutdown of Boston isn’t giving other terrorists ideas. Just a comment.

Susanboo on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

You’re probably seeing National Guard. Military are prevented from enforcing civilian law by a doctrine called posse comitatus. But I agree, it does seen like overkill.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Islam is NOT a religion, it’s a death cult. There is a difference.

Death cults should not be afforded protection under the 1st Amendment.

Axion on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM

the left just sees it as the only tool able to stop Christianity and Judism. thus to the left Isalm =anti-christian/anti-jewish

Thus they protect Islam from the truth of what it is in their drive to destroy oue chistian-judeo foundations as a country.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 4:05 PM

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Sooo stealing that.

pambi on April 19, 2013 at 4:05 PM

What could twenty terrorist teams in twenty American cities all coordinating their efforts simultaneously accomplish. Was this a trial run????

MaiDee on April 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

NYC, D.C., Chicago, Seattle, LA — yeah, that could be the case.

AZfederalist on April 19, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Where was the NY Time’s criticism of the 2011 Tucson shootings when Sarah Palin and the whole Tea Party were smeared?

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

The current story doesn’t criticise the media. It makes them out to be heroes (“We are running on adrenyline”)….The NY Times will never criticize media, unless it’s Fox News.

They are lionizing those brave souls who have been up for hours feeding incorrect information to the public.

weaselyone on April 19, 2013 at 4:05 PM

I guess the point i’m trying to get to is what makes an Islamist terrorist. The motive or the actions.

Islam is the motive. Terror is the intended result of the actions.

Did they kill because they enjoyed the thought of killing, or was it to further some crazy islamist ideal?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

I think that is a false dichotomy.

Islam has been called the perfect religion and the natural religion of humankind, and I agree. It sanitizes human faults and paints a veneer of religious respectability over them. Its moral demands are light and easily evaded, and it makes it easy to justify weakness and sin. Whatever is done in the cause of Allah is automatically virtuous and honourable.

So I wouldn’t be surprised if they enjoyed the thought of killing, and if they thought Allah would approve and saw themselves as righteous warriors in a celestial battle to bring the whole planet under the Islamic banner.

YiZhangZhe on April 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Yepper wisrich

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Islam is NOT a religion, it’s a death cult. There is a difference.

Death cults should not be afforded protection under the 1st Amendment.

Axion on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Agreed. And as evidence, please see the headlines throughout the world for the last 30+ years.

Meople on April 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

if it looks like a test
if it smells like a test
if you feel like your being tested
if you see evidence that sure makes it look like a test

//////

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

The last several months have looked, smelled, and felt more like a judgment than a test.

We failed the test awhile back, I think. imo

Midas on April 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Where was the NY Time’s criticism of the 2011 Tucson shootings when Sarah Palin and the whole Tea Party were smeared?

sentinelrules on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Wrong political designation.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

The question we should ask, is this a prelude to Red Dawn or Hunger Games?

JonPrichard on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

neither more 1984 prelude/far 451

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

DanMan on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Thankyaverymuch1

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM

KLEENEX!

Seriously, I actually started to explain why that isn’t self-identification, but I honestly don’t think you’d understand.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Susanboo on April 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

I guess it really depends on how long this goes on for. If there were someone barricaded in a house with hostages the entire block would be cordoned off until the situation were resolved. Under that kind of scenario no one would really think there are any liberty concerns. Of course the above example involves a very specific threat at a very specific location.

I don’t know that they have issued orders to the people in Boston either to stay home or else. I think at this point it is just a very strong recommendation to stay home and not open up storefronts. At some point people will start to ignore these recommendation. Maybe this really only becomes a liberty problem if authorities try to enforce their recommendations.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

What could twenty terrorist teams in twenty American cities all coordinating their efforts simultaneously accomplish. Was this a trial run????

MaiDee on April 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

NYC, D.C., Chicago, Seattle, LA — yeah, that could be the case. Dallas, Phoenix, Houston, SLC — probably not so much. Just as likely the perps would be shot by private citizens lawfully carrying as the terrorists locking down the city. … and woe unto a terrorist trying to break into an armed citizen’s home. Would be fun to read about though. “Yeah, I was in the side room with a clear view of the front door as he kicked it in; glad I had 30 rounds, he and his buddy were both pretty well armed.

AZfederalist on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Didn’t they make a movie about the militarization of a city over a terrorist suspect? I think they put Bruce Willis in charge or something.

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

The trolls are really off their game today. This site used to demand a higher quality of trolling, trolls who took pride in their work, trolls who trolled from their gut, trolls who could rub two irreconcilable, magical-thinking concepts together and begin a flame war that would rage for hours.

This batch just flails about, flinging out any old comment that might initiate a mild disagreement or a discussion of terminology. Pathetic.

But I believe in our trolls. I know they can do better. And if we all band together and demand more of them, I believe they will.

29Victor on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Please do pambi

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Abline Texas shut down “Tea Party Event” planned…..!
Troops from Ft. Hood on the way.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

I had a feeling this thing wouldn’t be over yet. Glad I went to sleep when I did. I hope you didn’t waste more time staying awake last night.

Longing4Lincoln on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

What can I say, you had the right intuition to leave at the right time, I stayed and boy am I mot paying for my ‘lack of vision right now :) I Was up all night and went to work directly, and now counting the hours. 4 pm can’t come soon enough…till then I think I will take coffee intravenously :) ..and we’re supposed to go to Vegas with friends this afternoon, for some weekend fun. my wife has no idea yet that she will have to drive :) I know I’ll be a walking dead for the remaining of the day.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Meople on April 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Sorry, somehow I got the quotes reversed there. Obviously was trying to quote Axion’s comment.

Meople on April 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Pres. Obama acts to quell the “Tea Party Vote Turn Out Drive”..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

I know I’ll be a walking dead for the remaining of the day.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Sorry to hear that. Would have been nice to be rewarded, rather than punished, for your vigilance.

And I wouldn’t have minded waking up to headlines stating that they had the SOB in custody.

Longing4Lincoln on April 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM

29Victor it looks like several may be the same troll and he’s all pooped out

DanMan on April 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Tapper following the CNN meme
He’s a good all american kid

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Are they delivering Snake Plissken to Militarized Zone Boston?

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM

is it just me, or is it totally creepy that the military are driving around the Boston area in trucks and tanks with loaded weapons like it’s a war zone? I mean, c’mon it’s one guy. I know that he may have bombs, gun, and ammunition, but geez, it’s one guy. I guess they are going door to door looking for this guy, so maybe that’s why there is so much manpower? Hopefully this shutdown of Boston isn’t giving other terrorists ideas. Just a comment.

Susanboo on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM
The good folks of Ma have bought into the gun control crap of Obama and the Communist Democrat party! As a result they have become cowardly citizens unarmed and imprisoned at will in their own homes by the whim of the state! They trust their safety to jack booted keystone cops rather than their own ability to defend themselves! This is Obama’s vision of an unarmed and terrified America! Rest assured that there are tens of millions of armed, trained, Americans who are not afraid of two muslim punks who may show up trying to scare someone! It would not take thousands of cops and tens of millions of dollars to solve the problem! Notice that this crap does not happen in Texas!

Marco on April 19, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Seriously, I actually started to explain why that isn’t self-identification, but I honestly don’t think you’d understand.

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Tranlation: You nailed me.

kingsjester on April 19, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Epiphany: They all keep saying he was such a nice guy because they saw the pictures and they didn’t call the FBI. They are covering up for their own culpability.

Yeah, nice Boston Globe guy– you didn’t turn him in. That makes you an accomplice!

petunia on April 19, 2013 at 4:14 PM

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