P.M. thread: The hunt for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev; Update: Older brother spent six months overseas last year; Update: Twitter account? Update: Tsarnaev was nervous Tuesday, says mechanic; Update: Classmate saw Tsarnaev yesterday?

posted at 12:05 pm on April 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’d like to tell you where things stand as of noon ET but no one seems quite sure. Police were on the lookout for a Honda with Massachusetts plates, suggesting that Tsarnaev’s on the run, but the car’s now been recovered. Meanwhile, I keep seeing tidbits on Twitter suggesting he might be holed up somewhere with the cops outside, possibly with a suicide vest on. (What does this mean, for instance?) There was at least one report within the past two hours that the cops are looking for two suspects. Current status: Unclear. Lots of updates coming, needless to say.

While we wait for news, here’s a half-assed theory to chew on: These guys weren’t trained by professionals overseas, because no well-trained terrorist would be so stupid as to rob a convenience store in full view of surveillance cameras on the very day that their photos have been released to the media. If you’re planning a getaway after the bombing, you pile up your cash beforehand so that you’re ready to leave after the attack. And if they’re part of a group (and there are theories to that effect kicking around right now in the media), why wasn’t someone bankrolling them in the first place? For that matter, why’d they tell the driver of the car they hijacked that they were the bombers? He might not have recognized them until later if they had kept quiet, leaving them time to get away. But then, it’s also odd that they didn’t kill him right away; obviously they have no compunction about killing children and cops. Very strange.

One other question: How’d Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get away last night if Tamerlan Tsarnaev was captured at the scene of the shootout? Did the older brother get out of the car to distract the cops while the younger one drove off? I’m unclear on the tick tock.

Update: I have mixed feelings about this:

You don’t want people milling about in a park when there’s a guy with a suicide vest, guns, and ammo on the loose. But then, murder suspects are on the loose all the time in big cities and nothing shuts down for them, even though in theory they’re just as likely to go out in a blaze of nutty glory among a crowd. If you’re an aspiring terrorist, knowing that you can shut down a city for a day must be encouraging.

Update: I’m seeing on Twitter that someone on the police scanner said the Army’s bomb-disposal team is on the scene. The scanner’s not always right, but if it is this time, this may be why:

Update: A clue as to who the ringleader here was, and no surprise:

According to the WSJ, one Tsarnaev brother came here with his parents in 2002, the other on his own in 2004. Either way, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been here since he was at least 10 years old. It’s probably his brother, a followed of AQ-connected Salafist preacher Feiz Mohammed, who radicalized him, but we’ll see.

Update: Second look at the brothers possibly being part of a group?

Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev flew in and out of John F. Kennedy Airport last year and was out of the country for six months, and investigators said they want to know if he received any terror training while he was overseas, NBC 4 New York has learned.

Travel records obtained by NBC 4 New York show Tsarnaev left New York on Jan. 12, 2012 for Sheremetyevo, Russia. He stayed overseas and returned to JFK on July 17.

The travel documents show a photo of a bearded Tsarnaev.

For 10 years now, I’ve been reading counterterrorism stories claiming that Middle Eastern jihadis want white recruits in the west. Makes sense: They’ll blend in better. Just something to bear in mind vis-a-vis this mysterious overseas trip.

Meanwhile, NBC News is reporting that Tamerlan Tsarnaev became a U.S. citizen last year. On September 11. But wait — Foreign Policy claims that it was Dzhokhar who became a citizen and Tamerlan who in the process. They also say that Dzhokhar was the one who came here in 2002, meaning he’s been a U.S. resident since he was eight years old.

Update: There’s a website claiming that this is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s real Twitter account. No way to know for sure yet, but the site says they’ve got confirmation from one of Tsarnaev’s friends. Note the tweets on April 16 especially.

Update: Boston is, truly, in total lockdown.

Update: If you missed it last night, read how Jeff Bauman — the man in the wheelchair with his legs blown off in that horribly gruesome post-blast photo — helped the feds catch Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.

Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. A picture of him in a wheelchair, bloodied and ashen, was broadcast around the world as he was rushed to Boston Medical Center. He lost both legs below the knee.

“He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me,’” Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview.

Update: What exactly was the plan here after the bombing? The Tsarnaevs had two days to skip town and try to leave the country. They didn’t. They could have claimed responsibility publicly on behalf of themselves or some movement. They didn’t. They could have killed a bunch more people knowing that the cops would be at their door anyway sooner or later. They didn’t. It seems like they didn’t want to be caught, but neither did they really want to escape. I don’t get it.

Update: Not sure what to make of this tweet at the alleged Tsarnaev account. Spring break for UMass-Dartmouth did begin on March 16, but how was spring break on this guy’s mind less than a month before the bombing? Just how belatedly was this bomb plot hatched? As of March 25, he was still doing homework. Not sure this is the right account. Then again, this one from April 8 is interesting.

Update: A plea to Boston at the Volokh Conspiracy not to let terrorists hold the city hostage:

Two Chechen Islamist terrorists have succeeded in turning Boston, America’s cradle of liberty, into a prison. Just when we had gotten used to obscene lines and searches at airports as the price we pay for safety, the lockdown of Boston illustrates the extent to which civil liberties are at stake in the war on terror. Since 9/11, there has been an ongoing debate about the protection of the rights of suspected terrorists. But today’s events show that its is not just the civil liberties of terrorists at stake, but also those of millions of innocent civilians.

If Boston is “closed” for just six hours, that is 175000 man days of functional house arrest; roughly as many as would be required to keep everyone in Guantanamo confined for a year or two. No doubt the police overreaction will be severely criticized in coming days, but largely on policy grounds, not civil rights grounds.

Update: Via Newsweek, a possible answer to my question of why the Tsarnaevs didn’t kill any more people: Maybe they were planning to. And maybe they weren’t “lone wolves.”

The trail of the Tsarnaevs seems, for the moment, to remain one of lone wolves. But counterterror operatives see details that suggest a wider organization may yet be discovered. Most telling: the sheer firepower the Tsarnaevs were able to bring to bear in their shootout with police. They appeared to have several unused bombs. And because terrorists learn from each other’s actions, some counterterror analysts are speculating that they may have planned a bigger operation at the marathon, or perhaps to come. One possible example is the bloody Mumbai attack in 2008, carried out by a handful of men, which killed 164 people. “These are ‘wise guys,’” said the veteran counterterror official. “These are intelligent individuals who thought they could outsmart everybody and get away with it. They didn’t want to die. But they prepared a lot of stuff.”

This doesn’t mean al Qaeda played no role: on the question of whether the lone wolves had domestic or international grievances, the intelligence official thought it likely that they were “inspired” by al Qaeda’s ferociously anti-American ideology, which paints the United States, essentially, as the root of all evil.

Update: I missed this earlier, but according to one of the doctors at the hospital, “There were signs of more than just gunshot wounds” on Tamerlan Tsarnaev when he arrived. Presumably that means he blew himself up, but in that case, how was there enough left to try to revive him in the ER?

Update: I’m not posting them, but photos of what looks like a dead Tamerlan Tsarnaev are already floating around the ‘Net.

Update: How intense is local security?

Update: Via CBS, a heads up from Connecticut police as of 1:50 p.m. ET: Possible Boston suspect driving a green 1999 Honda Civic, Massachusetts registration 116 GC7.

Update: And just like that, CT PD says the car may have been recovered.

Update: How long was the plot in the works? Here’s something from the alleged Twitter account dated more than a year ago:

Update: Via a reader tip, here’s local news interviewing a mechanic who said he worked recently on Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s car. When Tsarnaev dropped it off for repairs two weeks ago, his behavior was normal. When he came by Tuesday, a day after the bombing, to pick it up: “Very, very nervous.” Tsarnaev also wanted his car back immediately, even though the mechanic hadn’t replaced the bumper and tail lights yet. Maybe that’s why the brothers hung around Boston — they wanted to leave town but couldn’t drive the car in that condition without getting pulled over. So they lied low for a few days to figure out what to do, then panicked yesterday after the photos were released and carjacked someone to try to get away.

One thing I don’t get, though: The FBI was whispering that it had surveillance footage on Wednesday. The brothers knew it was going to come out soon. Why not carjack someone on Wednesday night instead?

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Update: Some of Rand Paul’s critics laughed at the hypothetical he emphasized in his filibuster last month but, well, here we are:

Update: Random thought: If this degenerate starts tweeting again in the middle of all this, social media will melt down.

Update: It’s no mystery how the photo of Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the morgue leaked. One word: Catharsis.

Seeing a photo of one of the Marathon bombing suspects dead was cathartic, said one law enforcement official who saw the picture.

Passing it around was a rare chance “to revel” while other officers searched for Tsarnaev’s brother, Dzhokhar the official said. “Mission accomplished. We’re halfway there. Justice is served.”

Boston police officers have been working 12-hour shifts since Monday and many were kept well past the end of their shift Friday morning after the chaos broke out Thursday night.

Another quote from the Globe, per Tsarnaev going down fighting: “You can rest assured the cops are looking for a fight right now.”

Update: Unreal if true:

He was in his dorm room? When the feds were promising that morning to release surveillance video of the bombers later that day?

Here’s video of another friend of Tsarnaev’s who said he saw the picture yesterday and, I guess, either e-mailed or texted him to say, essentially, “Watch out, people might think you’re the bomber.” Sounds like Tsarnaev didn’t respond.

Update: The best tick-tock I’ve seen of exactly what happened last night is this one from WBZ. Allegedly, the brothers stole two cars, a Honda and a Mercedes; eventually they both ended up in the latter car and the cops caught up to them. Eventually they lost control of the car and crashed it. That’s when the gunfight started and that’s when Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot, in the process of tossing some sort of bomb at the cops. Dzhokhar jumped back in the Mercedes to get away, ended up driving over his brother, and finally crashed the car again in Watertown, at which point he apparently escaped on foot. How far could he have gotten realistically with every cop in Boston looking for him?

The officer who was killed wasn’t killed during the shootout, by the way. He was ambushed and murdered in cold blood:

At 10:30 p.m. MIT campus police officer Sean Collier was found shot multiple times in his car in the area of Vassar and Main streets. He was rushed to Massachusetts General Hospital where he died.

According to WBZ-TV Chief Correspondent Joe Shortsleeve, the brothers ambushed Collier, shot him five or six times and once in the head. Collier never drew his weapon. His gun was found in his holster. Five 9 mm shells were found at the scene.

Update: You know what? There’s no reason for me not to give you the photo of degenerate number one on the slab except that it might make people with weak stomachs queasy. If you’re one of those people, don’t click the following Reddit link. If you aren’t, have at it. And yes, per the descriptions given by cops to the Boston Globe and TMZ, that’s definitely him.

Update: Can’t vouch for the authenticity of what follows, but if someone wanted to make up a story about the Tsarnaevs today to get attention, it’d probably be more sensational than this. (“Zubeidat” is the Tsarnaevs’ mother.) Evidence of recent radicalization in the family?

During this time first one daughter and then another were set up in arranged marriages, and started having kids. This was something I found slightly disturbing, as one was just my age (18-19) and didn’t seem to be happily married. Within two years that daughter was beaten badly and eventually filed for divorce, something which was at first against her mother’s wishes. Later Zubeidat said she had accepted it because it was an unhappy marriage. He daughter then moved back into the house with her child. Her younger son, Dzhokar, was most often in the room or the room next door looking after his sister’s child while I was getting my facial. There were usually issues with parking on her crowded Cambridge Street. Sometimes she would have Dzhokar go down to the street to put the visitor parking pass into my car window (Yes, I gave him my car keys). Once he moved my car, which made me nervous as the street was so crowded and parking spots so small. In 2010-11, there was a day when Dzhokar wasn’t home, so Zubeidat took the parking pass out to the street for me. I noticed that she first put on a burka before going outside. She had never worn a burka while working at the spa and I was really surprised.

Between 2008 and 2012 I got to know her pretty well. During those 2-3 hours I spent a lot of time asking her about her personal life and her family. (I’m a writer and tend to ask people exhaustive questions about their personal lives, especially as interesting a character as this.) The burka shouldn’t have surprised me so much, because she had become increasingly religious while I was in college. She often mentioned Allah, and the lessons of the Koran. “Allah will reward him,” she said once about my brother, when I told her that my brother and mom were close, and that I thought my brother would take care of my mom later in life. She started to refuse to see boys that had gone through puberty, as she had consulted a religious figure and he had told her it was sacrilegious. She was often fasting. She told me that she had cried for days when her oldest son, Tamerlan, told her that he wanted to move out, going against her culture’s tradition of the son staying in the house with the mother until marriage. She started saying things like, “Don’t worry, there aren’t men in the house today,” when I asked if I could use the bathroom, which I thought was kind of funny at the time, since I didn’t mind if there were men in the apartment or not.

Read on for Zubeidat’s familiarity with 9/11 conspiracy theories, something you’ll also find in the archives of Dzhokhar’s alleged Twitter account. (Nothing unusual about terrorists and their supporters dismissing 9/11 as a preposterous false-flag operation while they’re busy clamoring for terror attacks against America.) She also supposedly said that her husband is crazy — a claim that appears to be true — which adds an extra dimension to all this. Did the abundance of … eccentricity in the family contribute to the Tsarnaev brothers’ descent into degeneracy?


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An explosion was reported about an hour ago. Didn’t hear follow up yet

orfannkyl on April 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Yeah, AP!!!

What a day, what times

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Did the older brother get out of the car to distract the cops while the younger one drove off? I’m unclear on the tick tock.

For those of us listening in real time last night, this was hazy. All hell was breaking loose on the BPD radio band. So much traffic being dispatched everyone was stepping on each other.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Police scanner here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam

mythicknight on April 19, 2013 at 12:09 PM

What I got Allah is that the dead one charged police. Then #2 got in and backed over his brothers body and rammed through road block.

Limerick on April 19, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Fox Boston says they have confirmed the suspect was not in the Watertown home that the cops had surrounded earlier.

Fezzik on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

i bet you’ll have eggs on your faces when we find out who did it – comments are bookmarked just in case i have to rub it in, which i’ll do with great glee.

sesquipedalian on April 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM

M240H on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I would like to restate – Obama and Big Sis DROPPED the ball. They have NOT kept us safe. This is our HS Dept UNRAVELING. Why weren’t these idiots identified when they started linking to Islamist websites?

djl130 on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I’m just wondering how long until MSNBC starts to tell us about the Chechnya branch of the Tear Party…

Vegi on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The one guy also went to an ATM machine last night and got money out.

They are young, dumb, but very dangerous.

They spent time in Pakistan. Maybe the training was not complete.

These are dangerous dudes, even if not perfect at it. They might also not be alone.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

i bet you’ll have eggs on your faces when we find out who did it – comments are bookmarked just in case i have to rub it in, which i’ll do with great glee.

sesquipedalian on April 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM

she’s a well known liar.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM

you were still wrong to jump to conclusions.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Housekeeping from previous post…

oldroy on April 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

So, the bombers are from one of the most liberal sections of the country, spent 10 years going to school there (presumably from elementary school to college) and are muslims.

IF they were from, let’s say, South Carolina, spent 10 years getting educated there and were Christians, what do we think the headlines would be right now?

dirtseller on April 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Meanwhile, the police are still working over the suspect being discussed on the scanner.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

AP, I’m sure you’ve heard this, and take it for what it’s worth, but Beck was reeeaaaaalllly pushing documents that he has connecting the original Saudi kid to the bombing. He’s got 6 congressional sources confirming it as well as FBI and DHS sources. Says he’s shared all he has with the execs at the other news outlets and will drop the story on Mon.

Weight of Glory on April 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

This a great opportunity for BHO to try out his domestic drone policy!!

MD11Fr8Dog on April 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM

But then, it’s also odd that they didn’t kill him right away; obviously they have no compunction about killing children and cops. Very strange.

nothing strnage about it. the two were bent on terroizing the city. I would say they suceeded as they have caused the entire area around boston to come to a standstill today. How bombs would have had to be planted and ignited to have that impact on an entire city the size of Boston? How much has these two cost the city? If terrorism was their goal, bombs are not the only weapon to cause terror. By robing the 7-11 and killing the cop and by car-jacking and leaving the person alive the borthers made it clear no one is safe in the area.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM

What I got Allah is that the dead one charged police. Then #2 got in and backed over his brothers body and rammed through road block.

Limerick on April 19, 2013 at 12:09 PM

I’m unclear if the two brothers split up and the guy they’re looking for in watertown is actually white cap suspect.

And they are also searching for a Dartmouth student in connection so how does that play in?

Youngs98 on April 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Finding logic within the mind of people who would place a bomb feet from an eight year old boy and his family on a busy sidewalk is impossible…their is no logic in animals.

d1carter on April 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Question: if the brother who was killed was all shot up, what was the pic circulated last night of someone being put in a squad car?

ChicagoJewishGuy on April 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM

One more note from last night I neglected to post. At the time the suspects exited their vehicle (to AP’s question), all hell was breaking loose on the radio band. A significant number of units began to report in that they were en route to Watertown, and they were stepping all over each other. The dispatcher requested silence on the radio while she accounted for individual units. I believe this is why we don’t have clarity on how the two were split up.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

The 7 eleven was not a robbing. It was a car-jacking – Fox now.

They did not tell the owner. He called the authorities after they let him out “I think I was with the Boston guys”.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

AP, maybe they wanted to be caught? Maybe the point was to go out in a blaze of glory for Allah and the world to see?

And hungrymongo, thanks for the blow by blow last night of what was happening on the police scanner! I was unable to listen myself and only had access to my phone so your updates kept me in the loop.

Jack_Burton on April 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Need any further evidence that the terrorists are winning and accomplishing their goal? Just watch the news coverage of Boston.

One man is on the loose. One man. A dangerous man? Sure. He’s obviously very violent and he knows how to build explosives. And he’s managed to kill several people and injure quite a few others with those explosives.

However, right now, at this moment, that one suspect has an entire metro area of 4 million people held hostage. The entire transportation infrastructure of Boston — taxis, trains, buses, planes — is completely shut down. The streets of Boston look like a ghost town. Businesses are closed. People are told to not, under any circumstances, leave their homes.

Police teams are moving through neighborhoods house-by-house with such overwhelming numbers that you’d think the entire city was under martial law. The news media is wall-to-wall, 24/7 coverage of this manhunt. Not to mention the fact that we’re not even discussing the constitutionality of all of this, because it is an emergency action.

If one man with some homemade bombs can cause this much terror and disrupt the lives of one of our great American cities to this degree, just imagine what Al Qaeda could do in a larger, coordinated attack distributed throughout several cities.

No, it’s time we face the fact that the terrorists have indeed won. They’ve achieved their goal. We live in terror and we cower in fear. And we’re willing to sacrifice anything, even our freedom of movement, to try to alleviate the tiniest bit of that fear.

Sad.

Shump on April 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

And they are also searching for a Dartmouth student in connection so how does that play in?

Youngs98 on April 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM

White Hat is a UMass-Dartmouth student. Related, UMass-Dartmouth has been evacuated.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Was it confirmed that the two players from the action last night were black cap AND white cap or do we just know that black cap was killed and don’t know who the other guy actually was????

Youngs98 on April 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

I’m just wondering how long until MSNBC starts to tell us about the Chechnya branch of the Tear Party…

Vegi on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Brian Ross furiously working The Google to establish the Tea Party link…

parke on April 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

I don’t know what to believe at this point.

changer1701 on April 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Was it confirmed that the two players from the action last night were black cap AND white cap or do we just know that black cap was killed and don’t know who the other guy actually was????

Youngs98 on April 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

They matched up video from the 7-11 to previous pics of White Hat.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

IF they were from, let’s say, South Carolina, spent 10 years getting educated there and were Christians, what do we think the headlines would be right now?

dirtseller on April 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Peace Breaks Out in South Carolina: Women and Minorities Hardest Hit.

Stoic Patriot on April 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

If they were radicalized here in the States, then the culture wars are going to ratchet up to a whole new level. There have been justifiable concerns expressed over the Wahhabi mosques peppering the country, and the apparent hatred spewing from their imams.

If these kids have ties in any way to any one of those mosques, the fight between the Left (and their media handlers) and the Right is going to go thermonuclear.

We may be on the cusp of a paradigm shift in this war. The press won’t be able to shield the public anymore.

nukemhill on April 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Question: if the brother who was killed was all shot up, what was the pic circulated last night of someone being put in a squad car?

ChicagoJewishGuy on April 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM

An arrest of a neighbor was made. He was subsequently released.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Weight of Glory on April 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

He’ll drop the story on Monday? You mean he’ll release more info, or stop talking about it?

A day or two ago on Glenn’s radio show, Rand Paul promised to check it out.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM

They matched up video from the 7-11 to previous pics of White Hat.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Thanks

Youngs98 on April 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Need any further evidence that the terrorists are winning and accomplishing their goal? Just watch the news coverage of Boston.

One man is on the loose. One man. A dangerous man? Sure. He’s obviously very violent and he knows how to build explosives. And he’s managed to kill several people and injure quite a few others with those explosives.

However, right now, at this moment, that one suspect has an entire metro area of 4 million people held hostage. The entire transportation infrastructure of Boston — taxis, trains, buses, planes — is completely shut down. The streets of Boston look like a ghost town. Businesses are closed. People are told to not, under any circumstances, leave their homes.

Police teams are moving through neighborhoods house-by-house with such overwhelming numbers that you’d think the entire city was under martial law. The news media is wall-to-wall, 24/7 coverage of this manhunt. Not to mention the fact that we’re not even discussing the constitutionality of all of this, because it is an emergency action.

If one man with some homemade bombs can cause this much terror and disrupt the lives of one of our great American cities to this degree, just imagine what Al Qaeda could do in a larger, coordinated attack distributed throughout several cities.

No, it’s time we face the fact that the terrorists have indeed won. They’ve achieved their goal. We live in terror and we cower in fear. And we’re willing to sacrifice anything, even our freedom of movement, to try to alleviate the tiniest bit of that fear.

Sad.

Shump on April 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Needs to be re-posted

djl130 on April 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM

How’d Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get away last night if Tamerlan Tsarnaev was captured at the scene of the shootout?

Suggestion: Screw their names. They don’t deserve even the infamy. Let’s go with Black Hat (older brother, now dead) and White Hat (younger brother, currently on the run). Or BH and WH for short.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM

I’m glad it’s almost over – if I hear one more reporter tell us the situation is “fluid”, “active”, or “ongoing” I’m going to scream. It’s as if they lack the “gravitas” to come up with their own adjectives.

stout77 on April 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

The 7 eleven was not a robbing. It was a car-jacking – Fox now.

There were two separate incidents. A robbery was reported at a 7-11. Significant time passed before the car jacking occurred at a Shell station.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Just a warning to all here to not slander the Prophet by trying to say it could just as well have been non-Muslims doing the Islamic work of Islam’s Perfect Man, Mohammad.

VorDaj on April 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

They’ve achieved their goal. We live in terror and we cower in fear. And we’re willing to sacrifice anything, even our freedom of movement, to try to alleviate the tiniest bit of that fear.

Sad.

Shump on April 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

yeap the northeast is a bunch of puss*es. I still can’t believe they have the entire city of BOSTON shut down for one guy with a homemade bomb.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

They are requesting calls via cell phone quite a bit.

Trying to keep info off the scanner broadcast?

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I’m getting a John Muhammad / Lee Malvo vibe here. The older brother was the leader. Ironically, the older brother who called himself “very religious” said he thought people in the US didn’t have values and won’t be able to control themselves. So his answer is to blow people up? Is that an example of controlling yourself? It’s just bizarre. And he had a girlfriend, who converted to Islam for him. I wonder if he had girlfriend problems.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

I would like to restate – Obama and Big Sis DROPPED the ball. They have NOT kept us safe. This is our HS Dept UNRAVELING. Why weren’t these idiots identified when they started linking to Islamist websites?

djl130 on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The same can be said about 9/11. I am not are a fan of Barry and Nappy but the guys in the LE try hard and put thier lives on the line to keep us save. This guys have been here for years like many other Muslim immigrants. It would extremely difficult to know who will eventually become radicalised. The are literally millions of legal Muslim immigrants in the US. Heck my dentist is a Muslim from Bangladesh.

celticdefender on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

An arrest of a neighbor was made. He was subsequently released.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Gotcha, thanks. Where’d you hear that?

ChicagoJewishGuy on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

They are requesting calls via cell phone quite a bit.

Trying to keep info off the scanner broadcast?

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Smart.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

What I got out of last night’s chase and shootout was most of LE officers seemed to under armed. The local police were calling for long guns over and over. They were taking automatic weapon fire and what they called grenades and yet they kept pursuing the shooters.

d1carter on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

A suspect was taken in an ambulance under escort after being checked over by four robots, and the area was being cleared when I went for my sweet potato which is delicious.

The sandwich truck was moved from one end to the other.

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Sure am enjoying this new world peace amongst our Middle East/Islamic friends ushered in 5 years ago…well done 52 million! /

hillsoftx on April 19, 2013 at 12:20 PM

He’ll drop the story on Monday? You mean he’ll release more info, or stop talking about it?

A day or two ago on Glenn’s radio show, Rand Paul promised to check it out.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Sorry. Beck will come forward with ALL the info he has. He was so “coded” today, he actually said that one of his sources told him to “frame” what he revealed today in his show with specific words so that those in the government would know that he knows what they know. Real cloak and dagger sort of stuff.

Weight of Glory on April 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

First, they bomb a major American event, injuring a couple hundred people and killing several.

Then they rob a 7-11.

…I really can’t help feeling like there’s a hurricane of bulls**t flying around the media.

MadisonConservative on April 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

The one guy also went to an ATM machine last night and got money out.

They are young, dumb, but very dangerous.

They spent time in Pakistan. Maybe the training was not complete.

These are dangerous dudes, even if not perfect at it. They might also not be alone.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

This was my thought as well. My gut is telling me that these guys got SOME training, but not enough to really drive the point home, a la Gavrilo Princip, a sort of “half baked terrorist”. Enough to do damage, but not enough to evade/escape.

And that may have been the intent with this all along, train them up enough to know what to do, but leave them hanging with all the “Crucials” on how to get away.

Gatsu on April 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Still mad about Food Truck Thread™

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tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

From last night I thought the 7-11 incident was a carjacking and the security cameras got a pic of at least one of the shooters…

d1carter on April 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Scanner link.

K9′s now coming into play; bomb squad now coming into play. No press allowed in that area.

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

M240H on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

you were still wrong.

sesquipedalian on April 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Gotcha, thanks. Where’d you hear that?

ChicagoJewishGuy on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Last night as it was happening.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM

This was my thought as well. My gut is telling me that these guys got SOME training, but not enough to really drive the point home, a la Gavrilo Princip, a sort of “half baked terrorist”. Enough to do damage, but not enough to evade/escape.

And that may have been the intent with this all along, train them up enough to know what to do, but leave them hanging with all the “Crucials” on how to get away.

Gatsu on April 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Point of order – White Hat has been on the run for over 12 hours after the shootout that killed Black Hat.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM

There should be no apostrophe between K9 and s when writing K9s.

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM

d1carter on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Chilling. God bless those officers for as hawk said ‘big seeds’.

Limerick on April 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Scanner – Moving the press area to a school.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I would like to restate – Obama and Big Sis DROPPED the ball. They have NOT kept us safe. This is our HS Dept UNRAVELING. Why weren’t these idiots identified when they started linking to Islamist websites?

djl130 on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Because they are too busy monitoring people who link to pro-life, libertarian and TEA party websites.

JellyToast on April 19, 2013 at 12:24 PM

That they are still in town is a sign of:

either sheer stupidity, or

death wish, for Allah

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I don’t know what to believe at this point.

changer1701 on April 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

1. Two young men of a Chechen family and influenced by Islam committed a heinous act of cowardice, killed 3 people and injured over 140 more people earlier this week.

2. Same two young men have killed an MIT officer and sent another law enforcement officer into critical care.

3. One of the two young men is dead.

4. Massive manhunt for the second.

5. More players involved is undetermined at this point.

Keeping it simple.

dddave on April 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM

This was my thought as well. My gut is telling me that these guys got SOME training, but not enough to really drive the point home, a la Gavrilo Princip, a sort of “half baked terrorist”. Enough to do damage, but not enough to evade/escape.

And that may have been the intent with this all along, train them up enough to know what to do, but leave them hanging with all the “Crucials” on how to get away.

Gatsu on April 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

The problem is they went to the wrong university. Which one is it that has the terrorist bomber professor again?

Lily on April 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Jeez, the younger brother became a citizen last year — on 9/11. (ABC)

PattyJ on April 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM

What I got out of last night’s chase and shootout was most of LE officers seemed to under armed. The local police were calling for long guns over and over. They were taking automatic weapon fire and what they called grenades and yet they kept pursuing the shooters.

d1carter on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Why we need to ban general private ownership of fully-automatic weap…wait a minute – we already ban general private ownership of fully-automatic weapons.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Securing an entire city for this one whacko is an offspring of the crowd who gave us “if it saves only one person”…same tree, different branch….

hillsoftx on April 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Boylston st clear, swat moving out…

Youngs98 on April 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Homeboy got payback on his older brother by running over his corpse after he detonated…..???…..

that’s my story, stickin’ to it.

ted c on April 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM

I stopped by to check what was going on.

Lying lefty’s still spewing crap all over the place to muddy the waters they stunk up.

Oh well, not worth the trouble to wade through.

cozmo on April 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM

CNN is doing it’s best to paint this guy as just your average American teenager who loved movies, rap music and twitter.

Rockshine on April 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

The 7 eleven was not a robbing. It was a car-jacking – Fox now.

They did not tell the owner. He called the authorities after they let him out “I think I was with the Boston guys”.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Police reports that the carjacking occurred on Third Street.

I think the 7-eleven in question is the one on Main Street, which is adjacent to Tech Square, part of the MIT campus.

That would explain why the MIT police officer was there.

Hot Gas on April 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Yeah, my thought exactly. These guys may be doing something illegal..?/

d1carter on April 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Just think Allah. I wonder if we could’ve locked down Benghazi in a similar fashion after our 4 peeps was killed a couple months ago…..It just seems that the energy and motivation with this investigation is just a tad more …..energetic and motivated...than it was back then. hmm?

thoughts…

ted c on April 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Hey, back at it, did you make that pot of coffee? :)

MontanaMmmm on April 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Last night as it was happening.

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Guess my 3 A. M. computer-off time was too early. Oh well.

ChicagoJewishGuy on April 19, 2013 at 12:28 PM

hungrymongo on April 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Hey, back at it, did you make that pot of coffee? :)

MontanaMmmm on April 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Went out to a little work…but my eyes are so blurry I can hardly see the screen..LOL.

d1carter on April 19, 2013 at 12:28 PM

I’m glad it’s almost over – if I hear one more reporter tell us the situation is “fluid”, “active”, or “ongoing” I’m going to scream. It’s as if they lack the “gravitas” to come up with their own adjectives.

stout77 on April 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

The cop talk is getting to me: “these individuals,” “on his person,” “he is now deceased,” “at this time,” “at this point in time,” blah, blah, blah. Yes, the latter two are also bureaucratese, but they come out in spades when interviewing law enforcement authorities.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I still can’t believe they have the entire city of BOSTON shut down for one guy with a homemade bomb.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Reminds me of the panic over the DC Sniper(s). Worse now.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

There should be no apostrophe between K9 and s when writing K9s.

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM

What’ever, li’ke yo’ure ‘a spell’ing ma’ster o’r somethin’g.

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

There should be no apostrophe between K9 and s when writing K9s.

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Only if you used “now” as a noun. I was thinking the dog had a stuffed toy in the shape of the letters N.O.W. Thanks for clarifying. ;)

Youngs98 on April 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

CNN is doing it’s best to paint this guy as just your average American teenager who loved movies, rap music and twitter.

Rockshine on April 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Here’s a crazy thing: What if he was an average American teenager until he went all bomby?

segasagez on April 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I don’t think it’s cowering in fear. I think it’s clearing the area, and going over everywhere with a fine tooth comb. That’s a lot easier to do when everybody stops in place and stays off the street for them to do it. For them to get him before he gets out and gets away. Which I think in this case is definitely worth that effort.

Alana on April 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I predict that homeboy is dead by sundown.

ted c on April 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Or BH and WH for short.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM

That might be too easy to confuse with Barack Hussein and White House.

TX-eye on April 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM

City of Medford just lost power according to WRKO

dogsoldier on April 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM

gumbyandpokey hardest hit…

sandee on April 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Still mad about Food Truck Thread™

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tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

There was no food truck thread. You didn’t see anything.

WTF is that hieroglyph supposed to be?

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Why oh why are they providing vests and helmets to the press???

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM

They spent time in Pakistan. Maybe the training was not complete.

These are dangerous dudes, even if not perfect at it. They might also not be alone.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Training in Pakistan is likely, but do you have a link for that? I haven’t been able to find one, other than your previous post.

bofh on April 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Television station is requesting bulletproof vest and helmet.

Axe on April 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Guess one TV station’s special – they’re going to be let in a semi-secured area with a K9 check and bulletproofing.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

It would extremely difficult to know who will eventually become radicalised. The are literally millions of legal Muslim immigrants in the US. Heck my dentist is a Muslim from Bangladesh.

celticdefender on April 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Radicalized? I know those in the MSM will use that word until it is worn out, but they were not radicalized. They were just doing what Mohammad, Islam’s “Perfect Man”, would want and surly the founder of Islam can not logically be called an Islamic or Muslim radical.

VorDaj on April 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Reminds me of the panic over the DC Sniper(s). Worse now.

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

that was bad too. I’m just shocked at how much weaklings we have become. At some point life must go on no matter the danger.

unseen on April 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

They are requesting bullet proof vests for the media. I do so hope Geraldo is there to get one. He just loves to be where the action is.

Lily on April 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

I would like to restate – Obama and Big Sis DROPPED the ball. They have NOT kept us safe. This is our HS Dept UNRAVELING. Why weren’t these idiots identified when they started linking to Islamist websites?

djl130 on April 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

YEP.
False sense of security foisted upon us and brain washing PC BS.
Keep the masses under control.
Barrack did kill Bin Laden though..sleep soundly.

bazil9 on April 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

WTF is that hieroglyph supposed to be?

Bishop on April 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Me angrily flipping the table.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

They didn’t rob the convenience store. They carjacked a guy and had him drive them around to ATMs. Then they went to a 7-11, but didn’t rob it. Then the guy was released.

MayBee on April 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Lets take a step back and look at what’s going on right now.

There is a 19 yr old man on the run who may have a gun and explosives.

Chasing him is the entire Boston Police Dept, a large contingent of the MA state police, ATF, FBI, DHS, US military, the MA NG.

It must be what…10,000 to 1?

Must be one scary curly-haired kid. I get the ‘be careful’ part, but, good god….who’s watching the rest of MA right now?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Looks like we’re getting an early-afternoon presser. Gov., mayor at the mic.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

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