Evening thread: Cops continue to hunt Tsarnaev; Update: Seven IEDs recovered; Update: FBI interviewed older brother two years ago about possible “extremist ties”; Update: Tsarnaev went to … campus party on Wednesday night? Update: Cops take Tsarnaev alive

posted at 4:08 pm on April 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

The last thread’s getting unwieldy so here’s one more to take us through the rest of the day. And we begin with breaking news:

I assumed the grainy surveillance photo that’s been circulating since this morning came from a 7-11 camera, but evidently not. It must have come from the ATM that the Tsarnaevs used after they carjacked someone and used his debit card to withdraw $800. I still don’t understand why they didn’t have cash socked away in advance for their getaway, but there you go.

Another little factoid circulating right now:

Increasingly I’m thinking Tsarnaev must have found a shed or an open basement window somewhere in Watertown and killed himself earlier this morning. If that’s true, it might take awhile to find him. How long is the city going to stay locked down out of fear of one man whom thousands of cops are looking for?

Update: Via Ace, this Judicial Watch piece needs confirming but if it checks out then Jay Carney’s going to have a long day on Monday.

Update: Some good news: Despite rumors to the contrary earlier, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is the lone suspect remaining.

Update: Sure looks like the Tsarnaev boys had bigger plans:

Here’s what life looks like in Watertown today.

Update: Per the Daily Mail, turns out Tamerlan Tsarnaev left a widow and a three-year-old daughter in Rhode Island.

Someone on Twitter offers another theory about Dzhokhar: Maybe he was wounded last night in the shootout with cops and has since bled to death wherever he’s hiding. I saw one estimate that more than 200 shots were fired.

Update: A tidbit from the Daily Mail piece that I overlooked, in case you think there’s any doubt that they’re guilty:

Alvi Tsarnaev told The (Westchester County, N.Y.) Journal News that his nephew phoned him Thursday night for the first time in about two years.

The call came at 7 p.m., just a couple of hours before Tamerlan was shot dead.

“He said, ‘I love you and forgive me,’ ” said Alvi Tsarnaev, who lives in Montgomery Village, Md.

Update: Man, this is some family.

Update: A little more evidence as to who the mastermind was:

“I used to warn Dzhokhar that Tamaralan was up to no good,” Zaur Tsarnaev, who identified himself as a 26-year-old cousin, said in a phone interview on Friday from Mkhachkala, in the Russian republic of Dagestan. “[Tamaralan] was always getting into trouble. He was never happy, never cheering, never smiling. He used to strike his girlfriend. He hurt her a few times. He was not a nice man. I don’t like to speak about him. He caused problems for my family.”

Zaur Tsarnaev said he most recently expressed his concerns about Tamarlan — the alleged bomber pictured in a dark hat in FBI videos released Thursday — to Dzhokhar when Dzhokar visited last summer. He added that Dzhokhar went to mosque sometimes but he was “never an extremist.”

Update: Here’s what’s coming next week, along with the debate over the Judicial Watch piece linked above. Odds of Tsarnaev being taken alive at this point, though, are slim.

If you think there’s zero chance of Obama taking Graham’s advice, Glenn Greenwald’s reminding people on Twitter that Eric Holder proposed something like this after the failed car-bombing of Times Square in 2010.

Update: Random thought: What’s the “blowback” theory of the Tsarnaevs’ bombings?

Update: Their hopes for a tea-party terrorist thwarted once again, liberals are burning up Twitter right now in rage over Graham’s tweets — even though, per Greenwald, he’s right in line with Holder. Jennifer Rubin called him this afternoon and got this elaboration:

I spoke with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) by phone just a few minutes ago. He said of the Boston bombers: “They were radicalized somewhere, somehow.” Regardless of whether they are international or “homegrown,” he said, “This is Exhibit A of why the homeland is the battlefield.” Recalling Sen. Rand Paul’s filibuster, Graham noted that he took to the Senate floor specifically to object to Rand’s notion that “America is not the battlefield.” Graham said to me, “It’s a battlefield because the terrorists think it is.” Referring to Boston, he observed, “Here is what we’re up against,” and added, “It sure would be nice to have a drone up there [to track the suspect.]” He also slammed the president’s policy of “leading from behind and criminalizing war.”

When Graham says the homeland is the battlefield, he means it. This is a guy, remember, who once said of Terry Jones’s Koran-burning, “Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.” And then, when he was criticized for that, kinda sorta backed off by saying, “I wish we could hold people accountable for their actions, but under free speech, you can’t.”

Update: A possible clue to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s radicalization via Fox News:

Professor Brian Glyn Williams, who teaches the only course in the U.S. on the Chechen wars, said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev emailed him in the spring of 2011, asking questions on Chechen history for a research project he was doing at the Cambridge Rindge and Latin School.

Williams said that based on conversations with a friend who taught Tsarnaev — and who recommended he reach out to Williams — he learned that Tsarnaev was “studying his past.”

“He was sort of in the process of vicariously rediscovering his Chechen origins,” the professor told FoxNews.com.

Williams said that after the student contacted him, he emailed back a syllabus. He said he didn’t even remember the interaction until he talked to a friend.

Update: Uh oh.

Update: The cops are holding a 6 p.m. briefing right now and … nope, they can’t find him, despite a massive manhunt. They’re going to provide extra patrols to Watertown for two or three days on the assumption that he’s there somewhere and will have to surface soon. Just as I’m writing this, though, Deval Patrick is saying that the request that people stay home has been lifted. Boston’s back in business.

Update: Gabe Malor notes on Twitter that the Judicial Watch piece about Tamelan Tsarnaev’s 2009 domestic-violence arrest doesn’t specifically say that Tsarnaev was convicted. JW’s trying to nail that down. You can be deported for an arrest if you’re a visa holder but, per Gabe, they need to convict you in order to deport you if you’re a permanet resident, as Tsarnaev reportedly was.

Update: As noted in the last thread, last night Tsarnaev somehow survived a car crash, a shootout with huge numbers of police, another car crash — and still somehow managed to get away on foot, with thousands of police unable to find him after looking all day today. Unbelievable.

Update: An update on the FBI’s run-in with Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011:

Presumably the foreign country is Russia. Why were they interested in Tsarnaev? Did they give the FBI info about him?

Update: We know from the last thread that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was on campus at UMass-Dartmouth on Wednesday. We didn’t know this:

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had passed an apparently normal day at the school Wednesday, according to a UMass official, working out at the gym, then sleeping in his single-unit room at the Pine Dale Hall dorm that night, while law enforcement officials were frantically scanning photos and video trying to identify him and his brother.

School officials know he was there Wednesday because of card swipes, but it was not clear if he had been there earlier. He was described as good, typical student who played intramural soccer.

A student, who didn’t want to be identified, said she saw Dzhokhar Tsarnaev at a party Wednesday night that was attended by some of his friends with whom he played intramural soccer.

“He was just relaxed,” she said.

He knew by that point that the feds had surveillance images. News was already leaking that morning that they were focused on a white male in a black jacket, gray hoodie, and white cap. What on earth was he thinking hanging around campus?

Update: At just before 7 p.m. ET, a CNN reporter in Watertown reports that she’s heard shots fired.

Update: Sounds like endgame is near:

Is this it?

Update: Not much longer:

That’s terrible news in one sense: It means the body in the boat isn’t his.

Update: Fox 25 in Boston says the suspect is “down.” Alive or dead, no idea.

Update: Apparently police are sending in a robot for fear that Tsarnaev is wired and ready to blow. Shep Smith is reporting now that apparently the key tip came from a woman in Watertown whose boat and boathouse were searched earlier today by cops. When she looked out the window later, though, she saw the boathouse door open and what looked like blood on the boat. The theory is that Tsarnaev ducked into one of the two possibly to change clothes.

Update: Pete Williams, who’s been the most accurate of the TV news reporters throughout the week, says there’s a “body” in the boat. Maybe it’s Tsarnaev after all and not one of his victims. The cops probably can see him in the boat overhead but can’t be sure that he’s dead or just wounded and ready to explode until they send the robot in.

Update: My, oh my:

Update: He might have been moving, but he’s not now:

Update: Per Ed, Fox’s affiliate in Boston is reporting that the man in the boat is “refusing” to come out.

Update: A Fox affiliate reporter on the scene says he’s heard no less than eight explosions. Word on Twitter is that those are flashbangs being tossed in to scare him out of the boat.

Update: Cross your fingers: Pete Williams reports the police are moving in.

Update: At 8:13, Pete Williams reports that there’s a fire in the boat. A few minutes later, a local NBC reporter says a police helicopter shined a light briefly on the boat and it looks like Tsarnaev’s “covered in blood.”

Update: According to Michael Isikoff, they’re now trying to talk him out:

Update: Holy cow. Is there … a cell here?

ABC says they’re “college-aged.”

Update: At 8:42, NBC is reporting that the cops have got him — and he’s alive. I see people on Twitter cheering that, since it means we’ll be able to get intel from him and eventually execute him anyway. Don’t be so sure. Ben Smith tweeted an hour or so ago a friendly reminder that Lee Boyd Malvo, the second man in the D.C. sniper murders, got life in prison. And since Tsarnaev’s a U.S. citizen, if he lawyers up and refuses to talk, there’s little the feds can do to make him.

Update: The likeliest legal outcome here, it seems to me, is the feds offer him life in prison if he gives them useful intelligence (especially vis-a-vis those other three people arrested) or death if he doesn’t. Either way, that’s a mixed bag. Intel would be great, but then we’re paying for decades and decades of prison for this degenerate. And if he gives us nothing and is sentenced to lethal injection, that’s a long, expensive process too. With little to show for it counterterror-wise.

Update: That didn’t take long:

You have to do this if you want his statements to cops admissible in federal court, regardless of whether Lindsey Graham or Eric Holder wishes otherwise. I don’t think it’s a big deal, actually: They’re going to pressure him to talk regardless by threatening him with death if he doesn’t. Miranda won’t weigh as heavily in his mind as that, especially since this cretin craves his own life enough not to have offed himself today.

As I told Ace on Twitter, I look forward to auditing Tsarnaev’s class at Columbia 25 years from now.

Update: At least he looks pretty messed up. That’s something.

Update: Looks like Obama and Holder are going to test the courts a bit:

Update: A little something to make you feel good after a long day. Tsarnaev’s reportedly in serious condition.

Update (Ed): Looks like the reports of further arrests were more like a case of protective custody:

For now, then, Dzhokhar is taking the fall all by his little lonesome.  Maybe he’ll be singing sooner rather than later on his big brother’s buddies, if Tamerlan had any to sing about.


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A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him.

Hmmm! Did not know that the government can make exceptions to constitutional rights.

bgibbs1000 on April 20, 2013 at 6:30 AM

Apparently Glenn Beck has a bombshell related to the Saudi that was fingered for the bombing coming Monday exposing just what our government is capable of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiEpSggvZFU

Beck can be a bit of a drama queen though, so who knows.
xblade on April 20, 2013 at 2:12 AM

Anyone remember the bombshell hourlong Beck special devoted to gay tickle fights in the Navy?

I hope he gets all his facts straight and the story thoroughly vetted before going live with whatever it is he is going to claim. Wouldn’t want to see him make an unhelpful, embarrassing spectacle of himself and take attention away from where it belongs. But maybe Beck really has something… I guess we shall have to wait to see.

bluegill on April 20, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Ok, I just watched the Beck video. That was annoying. If he really has something important, he should just tell us, but without the melodramatic tone. This felt like marketing hype for his website and radio show.

bluegill on April 20, 2013 at 6:45 AM

Is Beck going to entertain suggestions these two men were framed? Hope he’s not flirting with conspiratorial trutherism regarding the Boston jihadist terror suspects?

bluegill on April 20, 2013 at 6:54 AM

[bluegill on April 20, 2013 at 6:45 AM]

I watched about ten seconds before skimming and closed the page after I found him counting with his fingers the number of bad’s he had decided to use to describe the guy.

This news is so important, the description below the vid says Beck is going to wait until Monday to break it to the public.

Dusty on April 20, 2013 at 7:06 AM

Dr. said big bro had “too many bullet wounds to count”.
Was this gut there too?

http://crime.about.com/b/2006/10/02/florida-cop-killer-shot-68-times.htm

katy the mean old lady on April 20, 2013 at 7:10 AM

Dr. said big bro had “too many bullet wounds to count”.

[katy the mean old lady on April 20, 2013 at 7:10 AM]

So, the Doc can’t count up to 200? That doesn’t instill confidence.

Dusty on April 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM

Beck ALWAYS has some amazing news that will be revealed a couple of days away and after people buy more of his books. Why I mever listen anymore. Huckster.

Dingbat63 on April 20, 2013 at 7:59 AM

Beck is smearing the innocent Saudi National who was a victim of the attack?

libfreeordie on April 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM

Hmmm! Did not know that the government can make exceptions to constitutional rights.

bgibbs1000 on April 20, 2013 at 6:30 AM

Still hung over? Not to well informed on legal issues are you?

right2bright on April 20, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Let me be clear. The perps will be brought to justice! /odumbass

tbear44 on April 20, 2013 at 8:07 AM

This guy has not had his miranda rights read to him, he is a citizen.

libfreeordie on April 20, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Hmmm! Did not know that the government can make exceptions to constitutional rights.

bgibbs1000 on April 20, 2013 at 6:30 AM

Given that Miranda itself isn’t legislation (much less in the Constitution), but “case law”, it would follow that the “rights” granted by that legal decision can themselves have exceptions, loopholes, and circumstances in which they don’t apply through other case law.

Stoic Patriot on April 20, 2013 at 8:13 AM

It is a Fed case. The Feds didn’t read him his rights. Holder is in charge of the Fed investigation. Holder works for Barry. Seems to me all you complaining about his rights being violated should be using your time writing to Holder and Barry and demanding answers.

Limerick on April 20, 2013 at 8:16 AM

To look at CNN’s headlines, you couldn’t even tell the bombers were Muslim. the only mention is that Mulsim leaders condemn attacks.

The balance of coverage on the Fox, CNN and MSNBC pages is also telling. Fox has 3 columns of stories with links about the bombing. CNN and MSNBC have a short column. MSNBC does at least metnion Mulsim ties on the headline page and they both have the capture as their lead story, but otherwise the coverage is pathetic.

Nothing to see here, move along.

talkingpoints on April 20, 2013 at 8:22 AM

The only possible exception for public safety would be the question, “Are there any more bombs?” Even then, read him Miranda first because if they don’t, the terrorist could walk. Unless Holder has that intent or, at the least, an indifference to the possibility?

Then again, from a report linked at Drudge, the terrorist is in such serious condition from a gunshot wound that he can’t be questioned yet.

Liam on April 20, 2013 at 8:22 AM

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/february2011/legal_digest

The public safety exception originated in the 1984 case New York v. Quarles. In cases where public harm is imminent-such as potential bombings, as in the Boston case, police may question subjects in an attempt to secure bombs and weapons which are active threats and that information is admissible at trial even though the defendant was not Mirandized.

talkingpoints on April 20, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Even if, and that’s a big if, his Miranda rights were violated, the only thing it would jeopardize would be any statements he made after the failure to read the rights. I’m sure they have enough evidence outside of his statements to convict.

Ta111 on April 20, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Beck has been fairly solid on these sorts of things, we know there are flags on any type of inquiry to Salafism, Wahhabi, consider what has been revealed about the look into Tamerlan’s background, likely because of this tie;

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/19/city-of-boston-gave-subsidy-to-bombing-suspects-radical-mosque/

narciso on April 20, 2013 at 8:42 AM

“Say it! SAY IT!!! They’re Muslim Terrorists!!!” My take.

kingsjester on April 20, 2013 at 8:45 AM

This guy has not had his miranda rights read to him, he is a citizen.

libfreeordie on April 20, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Yeah? And you libs laugh at Ron Paul. What’s your point?

CycloneCDB on April 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Even if, and that’s a big if, his Miranda rights were violated, the only thing it would jeopardize would be any statements he made after the failure to read the rights. I’m sure they have enough evidence outside of his statements to convict.

Ta111 on April 20, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Yes. I love how it’s being treated as a getouttajailfree card if he’s not Mirandized.

CycloneCDB on April 20, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Anyone remember the bombshell hourlong Beck special devoted to gay tickle fights in the Navy?

I hope he gets all his facts straight and the story thoroughly vetted before going live with whatever it is he is going to claim. Wouldn’t want to see him make an unhelpful, embarrassing spectacle of himself and take attention away from where it belongs. But maybe Beck really has something… I guess we shall have to wait to see.

bluegill on April 20, 2013 at 6:38 AM

I remember that this is sesquipedaliens sock puppet.

tom daschle concerned on April 20, 2013 at 9:08 AM

I remember the inquiries into Van Jones, the FCC’s Chavez loving Mark Lloyd and the like.

narciso on April 20, 2013 at 9:10 AM

I remember that this is sesquipedaliens sock puppet.
tom daschle concerned on April 20, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Hey, idiot, I am nobody’s sock puppet. Maybe you are still hurt over something I said which didn’t agree with something you had posted, but get over it, dip. Perhaps you are a disgruntled Palinista who is mad because I and others refused to bow down and worship her? Honestly, I don’t even know which one you are. Maybe you are one of the rabid Romney bashers? I think those are the two main groups I’ve upset, Palinistas and Romney-haters.

Regardless, this is not the thread for your idiocy. I have been accused of being cdseven, petunia, ann coulter and goodness knows who else. Please know there is only one bluegill. I am only me and no one else is me.

bluegill on April 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Just tuned into Fox and who is Ed Henry? All I know is between he and shep smith, obama just stayed out of the way so he would not micromanage. Obama couldn’t mange his way out of a paper bag. When will Fox replace smith and, who is Ed Henry….I spit up in my mouth hearing them rah rah for obama……..

crosshugger on April 19, 2013 at 10:04 PM

It must have been Ed Henry I was watching… he said something like “This is a win for Obama. He got the bombers.” It was during the last moments of Hannity as they were waiting for Obama to speak.

I wanted to puke.

What I’m going to say next might not be very popular… but it is something that was concerning me during the search. I was not ever completely comfortable with the entire city being locked down while a massive militarized police force conducted house to house searches…. for one man.

I’m telling you… this could very well be the example of how to conduct manhunts from here on out. I am very relived that it all turned out so well… no stories of police confiscating guns. But there were no reports they weren’t going to either. And in the end.. was the massive lock down and manhunt the thing that actually found this guy? No. It was a homeowner who found him after the word went out that the police were ready to give up.

What I am saying is… and I realize how unpopular and unpatriotic this is going to sound… might this guy have been found earlier if people were allowed to be outside? If the city wasn’t on lock down? I just can’t see something like this happening even 50-60 years ago.
Yeah, I know.. it’s a new day and all of that. Nobody wants to criticize the police during a time like this. I don’t mean to criticize them. I am critical of the culture that thinks this is how you hunt for a lunatic. The only way to do it is to tell Americans to go into their homes and lock their doors while a massive militarized police force in armored vehicles conducts house to house searches. This is not the way we want our nation to go folks. But this was how they handled it down in Boston… and now other towns and cities are going to use this as an example of how to do it. And they will all be telling themselves how successful it was (when it truly wasn’t) and it will become the model for how it’s done.

When the model becomes in effect.. “martial law/house to house searches” you are just one step away from “martial law/house to house searches/gun confiscations.”

No one is going to like what I just said. I know. I should be waving the flag. I am. But my gut just doesn’t feel right.

JellyToast on April 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

I will qualify what I posted above with this… this man was suspected to have a suicide vest. They had already carjacked one car.

So… I really do not know how it could have been handled differently either. Not right now anyway. I understand the need of getting innocent people out of the way. I do.

I guess my concern is.. will this become the model from here on out? Martial law/house to house searches?

This all turned out well, in the end. But if cities and towns look to this as the model to follow.. and it become SOP… not good.

So… I qualify by saying.. this worked this time. I would not want to see this be standard operating procedure very time there is a manhunt…. lock down the city. Conduct house to house searches.

JellyToast on April 20, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Anyone remember the bombshell hourlong Beck special devoted to gay tickle fights in the Navy?

bluegill on April 20, 2013 at 6:38 AM

…Beck has video of you and turdfreeorpee ?

KOOLAID2 on April 20, 2013 at 9:41 AM

… smearing…

libfreeordie on April 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM

…your dissertation?

KOOLAID2 on April 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

. I am only me and no one else is me.

blueball on April 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

….a morning masterbaiter…

KOOLAID2 on April 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM

JellyToast on April 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

More frightening still is the fact that our enemies around the world are studying these events with great interest. They can easily imagine the havoc they can create.

They can send cells to immigrate here legally or otherwise, since in neither case do we perform real background checks. Heck even if a foreign country notifies our FBI about terrorist associations they are so PC they do NOTHING.

Once they are here they can move to several key cities where they…

Well, you get the picture.

dogsoldier on April 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM

kingsjester on April 20, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Well written!

dogsoldier on April 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM

I should be waving the flag. I am. But my gut just doesn’t feel right.

JellyToast on April 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

There are too many questions that are still unanswered. I’m uncomfortable with a lot of aspects of this (including the flag waving). The circus has just begun…

Fallon on April 20, 2013 at 10:11 AM

dogsoldier on April 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Thank you!

kingsjester on April 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Please know there is only one bluegill. I am only me and no one else is me.

bluegill on April 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

I am the walrus, coo coo ca-choo

Cindy Munford on April 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Phew! Just finished reading last night’s posts.

However “Islamist” is just a term invented by non-Muslims so that they can pretend that the violent people are not genuine Muslims but rather are people who have perverted the supposedly peaceful faith of Islam. YiZhangZhe on April 19, 2013 at 10:05 PM

I believe you are unto something

Am I the only one who thinks media coverage of the Boston bombings is bordering on the ridiculous? I mean this is not some sensational reality show a-la The Truman Show. Good grief!
glennbo on April 19, 2013 at 10:10 PM

It was horrible. Including FOX. Who was the idiot going holy, holy, holy when she heard real actual guns noisees.

What I am saying is… and I realize how unpopular and unpatriotic this is going to sound… might this guy have been found earlier if people were allowed to be outside? If the city wasn’t on lock down? I just can’t see something like this happening even 50-60 years ago.
JellyToast on April 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

You recognize they have invented a tradition that never existed. In Columbine they praised the teach who had students turtle under desks, and ignore students smart enough to bail out windows and live. If the Boston perps had started shooting, they could not kill all of Boston. They were found by a citizen who luckily did not completely turtle. The liberal side wants a zero risk society. They approve the new model in Boston. Expect this new power to dis empower the citizens to expand, in the name of security. Very dangerous indeed, but candy wrapped as the only answer to evil. When the police do not do their job, as the border patrol under Bush, citizens who attempt to protect and defend will be government enemy number one

Thanks to all who wrote so much great copy this thread. Without such websites, last night would have been a big con game

entagor on April 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Unanswered questions:
1. No interviews with bosses, co workers. Tamerlan had a Mercedes. Except for 3K scholarship, where was the income?

2. Where is the missing bystander who tackled the saudi student?

3. they still cannot verify who was the victim of domestic violence? Isn’t that public record?

4. Brothers were supposedly registered to vote. Isn’t date of registry public record? Rumored registering before being eligible

Interesting info:

1. Roaring lion used on Jokars twitter account, Chechen anthem:
Death or Freedom
We were born at night when the she-wolf whelped,
In the morning, to lion’s deafening roar, they named us
There is no God except Allah

2. vkontake facebook page symbols (left to right):
dynamite, thumbs up, flag of Russian Federation, Groucho glasses
what do the glasses mean?

3. multiple paths to Jokar vkontake russian facebook page

a. reading VK page via myallsearch I got onetime popup of crying injured bear indicating page is not protected at some level

b. Comments on VK facebook most quoted in the MSM translate very cleanly into english, using google translate
but slang russian comments posted by visitors, barely translate

c. was facebook composed so words would be an easy translate, compared to natural language? (i.e. set up to lead you to conclusion) or did Jokar usually use textbook grammar in his native language facebook?

entagor on April 20, 2013 at 3:44 PM

This guy has not had his miranda rights read to him, he is a citizen.

libfreeordie on April 20, 2013 at 8:11 AM

.
Whoa ….. sounds like we agree on something.

How’d THAT happen ?

listens2glenn on April 20, 2013 at 4:42 PM

I should be waving the flag. I am. But my gut just doesn’t feel right.

JellyToast on April 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Yeah, me too, What’s this “secure in place” thing? What happens if you decide to take a walk? Need to go get your prescription refilled? Is compliance voluntary? Just what gives with this.

And

dogsoldier on April 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM

These guys were amateurs and now the pros know a lot more than they did. The only reason I don’t think these two were a trial balloon is they made a whole lot of really stupid mistakes.

itsacookbook on April 20, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Beck is smearing the innocent Saudi National who was a victim of the attack?

libfreeordie on April 20, 2013 at 8:05 AM

.
The Feds are the responsible party for doing any “smearing”, if the man in question is truly innocent.
They’re trying to deport the guy, and the deportation papers claim it’s for “terrorist activities”.

listens2glenn on April 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

This guy has not had his miranda rights read to him, he is a citizen.

libfreeordie on April 20, 2013 at 8:11 AM

No, his Miranda warnings have not been read to him as yet, under the public safety exemption.

Resist We Much on April 20, 2013 at 4:55 PM

The only possible exception for public safety would be the question, “Are there any more bombs?” Even then, read him Miranda first because if they don’t, the terrorist could walk. Unless Holder has that intent or, at the least, an indifference to the possibility?

Then again, from a report linked at Drudge, the terrorist is in such serious condition from a gunshot wound that he can’t be questioned yet.

Liam on April 20, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Not exactly. They could ask if there are more involved, if they have a cache of supplies, and where. If there were further plans.

And no, this isn’t an investigative interrogation where Miranda could be invoked, you don’t give that to him first, because then he could lawyer up and refuse to cooperate, and suddenly have the right not to tell you there’s another device.

When these exceptions are invoked, providing the appropriate line of questioning is followed, his standing at a fair trial is not legally jeopardized.

It’s a completely separate event from a Mirandized interrogation.

PXCharon on April 20, 2013 at 6:12 PM

I’m sorry if this has already been answered, but what was with the “shock and awe” barrage that was the initial indication that something was up? I know the later bangs were “flash bang” grenades. But this sounded like an incredible barrage of gunfire. Either the cops are the worst shots in the world, or they weren’t aiming at the boat. Because there is no way this guy would have survived. The boat looks untouched.

I really am confused/curious. I’m not suggesting any conspiracy or anything, but this doesn’t add up.

35tww on April 20, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Please know there is only one bluegill. I am only me and no one else is me.

bluegill on April 20, 2013 at 9:33 AM

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I don’t know that I speak for everyone here, but I find that to be an enormous relief.

Anyone else care to comment ?

listens2glenn on April 20, 2013 at 7:47 PM

The fact you keep talking about gun control when nobody will give a rip once we find out who committed the terrorist act is shows this is a huge loss for the GOP.

The winning side never changes the subject.

It’s fun to be back and rubbing your noses in the rancid stench of defeat. Heck, even that Salon guy was a winner in all of this.

gumbyandpokey on April 17, 2013 at 3:54 PM

The reality of the situation is that if it was a white guy, stations like CNN and MSNBC will be gloating for an eternity. He will, more than likely, turn out to be an anti-govt extremist.

The Dems/liberals win again.

gumbyandpokey on April 17, 2013 at 3:32 PM

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