Dead suspect: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them”; Update: Dzhokar’s website linked Islamist sites; Update: Tamerlan pushed AQ Prophecy

posted at 10:10 am on April 19, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Note: Originally posted at 8:46 am ET; bumped to 10:10.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev died in a shootout with Boston police earlier this morning, perhaps killed by bullets, his own IED, or the fact that his brother Dzhokar reportedly drove over him in order to plow through a police barricade after the shootout.  He will live on in a photo essay taken when he competed in Golden Glove boxing, thanks to photographer Johannes Hirn, linked by an alert Dave Weigel a few minutes ago.  The accompanying interview raised at least a yellow flag about the isolation of Tsarnaev from his community in the essay titled “Will Box for Passport”:

Tamerlan, who studies at Bunker Hill Community College in Boston and wants to become an engineer, took the semester off from school to train for the competition.

Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee.

Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.”

If he wins enough fights… Tamerlan says he could be selected for the US Olympic team and be naturalized American. Unless his native Chechnya becomes independent, Tamerlan says he would rather compete for the United States than for Russia.

Tamerlan says he doesn’t drink or smoke anymore: “God said no alcohol.” A muslim, he says: “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.”

Accordingly, Weigel and others claim that this is Tsarnaev’s YouTube channel (which I already posted in the main thread).  It’s not confirmed, and there may well be more than one Tamerlan Tsarnaev, but if it’s his, a certain theme emerges almost immediately. It’s odd that Tsarnaev wanted to compete for the US rather than Kazakhstan, perhaps, where he might have fit in better; if this really is his YouTube account, it’s even more odd.

Update: Some are claiming that this is Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s Amazon wish list. I’d approach this with a grain of salt, but again if so, it’s certainly interesting.  Quite a few items on making fake IDs, but they’ve all been on the list for almost six years.  Not sure if I’m buying this.

Update: More from the AP on the background of both brothers, including this tidbit, emphasis mine:

In May of 2011, Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, then a senior at a prestigious high school, was awarded a $2,500 scholarship from the city of Cambridge, Mass., to pursue higher education. Now, Tsarnaev is on the run, described as “armed and dangerous” and suspected of the Boston Marathon bombing. …

According to the website spotcrime.com, Tamerlan was arrested for domestic violence in July 2009, after assaulting his girlfriend.

He was an amateur boxer, listed as a competitor in a National Golden Gloves competition in 2009.

Assuming that boxing profile preceded the arrest, that might be an inflection point for Tamerlan’s radicalization.

Update: Reuters reports that the younger brother’s website promoted Islamist websites:

Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev posted links to Islamic websites and others calling for Chechen independence on what appears to be his page on a Russian language social networking site.

Abusive comments in Russian and English were flooding onto Tsarnaev’s page on VK, a Russian-language social media site, on Friday after he was identified as a suspect in the bombing of the Boston marathon. …

His “World view” is listed as “Islam” and his “Personal priority” is “career and money”.

He has posted links to videos of fighters in the Syrian civil war and to Islamic web pages with titles like “Salamworld, my religion is Islam” and “There is no God but Allah, let that ring out in our hearts”.

Update: Mother Jones’ Adam Serwer reports that Tamerlan was a fan of the “al-Qaeda prophecy”:

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26 year-old brother of the second Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, had a YouTube page where he posted religious videos, including a video of Feiz Mohammad, afundamentalist Australian Muslim preacher who rails against the evils of Harry Potter. Among those videos is one dedicated to the prophecy of the Black Banners of Khurasan which is embraced by Islamic extremists—particularly Al Qaeda. The videos posted on what appears to be Tsarnaev’s YouTube page may shed light on the motivations for the attack on the Boston Marathon. The prophecy states that an invincible army will come from the region of “Khurasan,” a large portion of territory in central Asia.

“This is a major hadith (reported saying of the prophet Muhammad) that jihadis use, it is essentially an end-time prophecy,” says Aaron Zelin, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy “This is definitely important in Al Qaeda’s ideology.” In The Black Banners, former FBI agent Ali Soufan’s book about his pursuit of Al Qaeda that is named after this prophecy, Soufan describes the prophecy this way:

Khurasan is a term for a historical region spanning northeastern and eastern Iran and parts of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and northwestern Pakistan. Because of the hadith, jihadists believe that this is the region from which they will inflict a major defeat against their enemies—in the Islamic version of Armageddon…

Jeff Dunetz has more.

Update: ABC has this video of the carjacked Mercedes being towed away, with a brief explanation of how the police “put two and two together” from Brian Ross:

And now the police want to find a gray Honda CRV with Massachusetts plate 316-ES9, believed to be heading toward Connecticut.


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Notice: The right will instantly cease and desist any discussion of these young men as “crazy” or “nut jobs” now that they have been officially linked to Islam. Had they been white Americans, or even atheists then they would’ve been “insane,” but in the conservative worldview all Muslims are terrorists therefore this act is evidence of a sober, planned jihad rather than the obvious evidence of psychosis. There are no “crazy” Muslims. Just “crazy” white Americans like the guy who committed the mass murder of Sikhs this summer.

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 10:24 AM

I’m more connected to this world then your fey black arse can ever emote and yearn to be.

This is how it works.

Stranger in a Strange Land.

The family were wanderers, like many on the region.

The kids had no indentity connection. Abandoned by their father.

Dzhokar did not like America, but he had no “home country” to return to.

He then turned to Islam, because that gave him an identity.

He converts his girlfriend, then beats her, gets arrested. The mother gets arrested at some point.

The brothers, through Islam come to see America as the world problem.

In turn, they blame America for their family disintegrating and not being accepted.

Even though they both were by every stretch, they took on the “outsider” pose that goes along with emphasizing cultural diversity.

Suddenly, they went from being involved in high school sports, going to proms, having girlfriends, attending college, to religious zealots.

Why? Because radical Islam is more influential than Westernized Islam.

Move this story back to the 80′s, and the brothers would have gone on hadj to Afghanistan.

Make it the 90′s, and they would have been floating around in UBL’s mujahadeen.

Witout the connection to Islam, these Dzokar and Tamerlan harm no one.

Deal. With. It.

budfox on April 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Question to Janet numbskull Napolitano,
instead of tracking former veterans, tea party members and people with Ron Paul stickers…

WHY DIDN’T YOU INVESTIGATE THE TERRORIST THAT POSTED THIS VIDEO?

The Emergence of Prophecy: The Black Flags From Khorasan

maddmatt on April 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Up and at work early today, eh Barry?

petefrt on April 19, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Work?
For Obama this whole thing is a party. He just has to figure out how to make this all about him.

Sterling Holobyte on April 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 10:24 AM

You really that clueless.

Note, it wasn’t a question either.

BlaxPac on April 19, 2013 at 10:36 AM

He’s a troll. It’s funny, he’s a small-minded, close-minded, stereotyped thinker, so he figures everyone else is too. And that people who disagree with him must think the same way he does, but 180 degrees opposed to him. He’s stuck in his own extreme way of thinking.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

FNC just reported that Obama, Biden, Holder, and others have gathered in the Situation Room.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Hypothetically, let’s say they decide on a drone strike. Other than Rand Paul, who is going to be outrageously outraged?

Deafdog on April 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Visions

Can’t say Muslim wouldn’t be prudent

cmsinaz on April 19, 2013 at 10:39 AM

When it’s unavoidable, it’ll be said that they were not muslim muslim.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

David Sirota weeps.

ErnstBlofeld on April 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Hypothetically, let’s say they decide on a drone strike. Other than Rand Paul, who is going to be outrageously outraged?

Deafdog on April 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

You give them credit that I don’t. It’s a status meeting combined with extensive discussions about what euphemisms should be used to describe it and also how best to spin the events of the past several days so that it’s the fault of conservatives.

Did theses guys get their EBT cards cut off?

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM

You make it sound as if we should just shake our heads in disbelief and make some comments about those crazy kids these days.

You do realize they killed three four people and maimed hundreds of others right? That they built and detonated at least two bombs and were lobbing some sort of grenade at law enforcement last night, right? Whatever the motives or whatever the facts of the case, these people were not “just two idiots.”

Happy Nomad on April 19, 2013 at 10:37 AM

By “idiot” I mean disturbed people, who did what’s called “poorly motivated antisocial behavior”. An Oswald, a Bremer, a Hinckley, a Chapman. You look at them and they’re idiots, nobodies, maybe with a mental problem.

As far as what they did, yes, it was pretty effective, and horrible. If they made a statement on why they did it, we’d know better who they are. But I don’t really care who they are, unless they’re agents of a larger conspiracy. If they are “lone wolves” I’ll assume they had their own reasons, and I don’t much care what their reasons were. Idiots. Losers.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Question to Janet numbskull Napolitano,
instead of tracking former veterans, tea party members and people with Ron Paul stickers…

WHY DIDN’T YOU INVESTIGATE THE TERRORIST THAT POSTED THIS VIDEO?

The Emergence of Prophecy: The Black Flags From Khorasan

maddmatt on April 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

She was busy jailing the maker of “Innocence of Muslims” – which was a funny bit of satire that was pretty faithful to the underlying lunatic ideology it was describing.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 10:51 AM

FNC just reported that Obama, Biden, Holder, and others have gathered in the Situation Room.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 10:19 AM

They’re in the Shituation Room.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

When it’s unavoidable, it’ll be said that they were not muslim muslim.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

CAIR will be quick to point out that they are white Muslims not brown or black Muslims. Can’t get our terrorist groups mixed up, after all.

Happy Nomad on April 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM

If they are “lone wolves” I’ll assume they had their own reasons, and I don’t much care what their reasons were. Idiots. Losers.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

But they are not “lone wolves”, they are part of the Islamic faith and a pattern is woven.

Now granted, we all know about those recent Catholic terrorists, and those Mormon’s terrorists, horrible…but those crazy Methodists and their home made bombs, bombing bars…get it?

These guys are part of a pack of wolves…

right2bright on April 19, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Why were these two non-citizens registered to vote in MA?

Curtiss on April 19, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Because voter fraud is just a myth perpetrated by bitter, racist and xenophobic right-wing nut jobs, that’s why.

The Dims and the MSM have repeatedly assured us of this fact.

AZCoyote on April 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM

So these two were unexpectedly motivated by religion it seems.

Dan_Yul on April 19, 2013 at 11:02 AM

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Sorry you and David Sirota’s prayers weren’t answered on the whole Tea Party white American Nazi thing.

You’ll always have each other’s shoulders to cry on.

Missy on April 19, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Now granted, we all know about those recent Catholic terrorists, and those Mormon’s terrorists, horrible…but those crazy Methodists and their home made bombs, bombing bars…get it?

right2bright on April 19, 2013 at 10:56 AM

I’ve already begun to see the whining that we cannot condemn the “religon of peace” because of a few bad seeds. That may be true but where is the outrage among American Muslims? Where is the Million Muslim March on DC?

After the 9/11/01 atrocities the Muslim-American community condemned the terrorists but not the reasons why they killed thousands. In the next couple days I have no doubt that CAIR and other groups will condemn the bombing and launch into a lecture on how bigoted Americans are.

Happy Nomad on April 19, 2013 at 11:04 AM

You should hear the NPR radio affiliates:

“Now is the time to collect the dots. NOT CONNECT THE DOTS. We don’t know if their religion had ANYTHING to do with this.”

portlandon on April 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM

http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/04/the_post-boston_islamophobic_hate_crimes_have_begun.html

On Wednesday, a white man harassed and punched a Palestinian woman in Medford, Massachusetts, calling her a “terrorist” and blaming her for the deadly bombing attack at the Boston Marathon.

Hema Abolaban, a physician, was walking down the street with a friend when they were approached. Malden Patch reported:

“He was screaming ‘F_ you Muslims! You are terrorists! I hate you! You are involved in the Boston explosions! F_ you!’” Abolaban remembered. “Oh my lord, I was extremely shocked.”

She said the man – described as a white male in his thirties wearing dark sunglasses – kept shouting and walking toward her as she backed away.

“I did not say anything to him,” she said. “Not even that we aren’t terrorists…he was so aggressive.”

Abolaban is not alone. The New York Post reports that a Bangladeshi man was beaten up by Latino men outside a Bronx Applebee’s restaurant. He, too, was blamed for the Boston bombing.

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

“I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them”;

In a few days Liberals will be accusing WASPS of radicalizing the two skunks.

MaiDee on April 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Not nearly enough. We need significantly more of this stuff to drive this death cult from our world.

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM

After the 9/11/01 atrocities the Muslim-American community condemned the terrorists but not the reasons why they killed thousands.

Happy Nomad on April 19, 2013 at 11:04 AM

muslims in America didn’t really condemn anything after 9/11. In fact, you didn’t hear muslims in America really claiming all sorts of special rights until after 9/11. Coincidentally, it also happened that after 9/11 is when mosques started going up like gangbusters. muslims in America found their voice to claim all sorts of junk … after 9/11. And we, stupidly, put up with it. And then “we” elected an ineligible, dog-eating, retarded Hussein into the Precedency.

In future history books, this population of Americans will stand as one of the worst societies to have ever existed – a cautionary tale to all civilized people of the future and the butt of jokes for millenia to come. Incitatus was nothing compared to what America has done to itself. We would have been so much better off with Incitatus in the White House for the past 4 1/2 years. He was just as eligible as Barky and eminently more qualified.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM

So these two were unexpectedly motivated by religion it seems.

Dan_Yul on April 19, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Spontaneous Islamic motivation seems to be a problem. Nadal Hassan was just a disgruntled soldier who spontaneously screamed Allah Ahkbar while killing 14 and injuring 30 others. The underwear bomber spontaneously decided to ignite his BVDs. And these “kids” just woke up one morning and decided to plant bombs at the Boston Marathon. At least that is what the left would have us believe.

When the Lutherans start spontaneously killing, maiming, and bombing then I might make such sentiments more seriously.

Happy Nomad on April 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM

The “community organizing” groups that operate here in the southwest devote a lot of their (taxpayer-financed) work to helping “recent immigrants” (both legal and illegal) fill out applications for various types of government assistance.

It is widely known that these organizers also routinely help “immigrants” (both legal and illegal) fill out voter application forms. They instruct the “immigrants” to check “yes” on the “Are you a U.S. citizen?” question. They also advise the “immigrants” that citizenship status is almost never subject to any type of official verification and, on the off chance that they are ever questioned about it, they should respond that they did not speak/read English well enough to understand the question. (The point of this is that perjury is a specific intent crime, and a prosecutor cannot prove that an alleged perjurer had specific intent if he/she did not understand the question they were answering).

AZCoyote on April 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM

FNC just reported that Obama, Biden, Holder, and others have gathered in the Situation Room.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Don’t forget the official photographers, had to fly them in…of course I am sure one is always in the White House on stand-by for those serious strategy meetings…along with the wardrobe and make-up artists…

right2bright on April 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM

The New York Post reports that a Bangladeshi man was beaten up by Latino men outside a Bronx Applebee’s restaurant. He, too, was blamed for the Boston bombing.
libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Doing the work Americans won’t do?

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Not nearly enough. We need significantly more of this stuff to drive this death cult from our world.

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Happy that is bs and you were just caught in libfree’s net.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Not nearly enough. We need significantly more of this stuff to drive this death cult from our world.

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Seriously? You think it is OK for people to randomly assault those they believe to be terrorists based upon a shared religion or how they look? Is this part of your civilization vs. barbarism dichotomy, because you’re not doing a lot to make that seem indistinguishable from advocating some kind of genocide or ethnic cleansing.

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Don’t forget the black professor who went out and found her car vandalized with racists remarks… fortunately, they had video…of her doing it to her car.

Yeah, these reports always just happen to pop up…you guys will be sucked into any kind of propaganda…your minds are so weak and pliable.

right2bright on April 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Happy that is bs and you were just caught in libfree’s net.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Nope, that’s actually what happy believes.

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM

“Now is the time to collect the dots. NOT CONNECT THE DOTS. We don’t know if their religion had ANYTHING to do with this.”

portlandon on April 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM

The only dots I want to see collected right now are the result of laser sights focused between Dzhokar Tsarnaev’s eyes.

Happy Nomad on April 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Seriously? You think it is OK for people to randomly assault those they believe to be terrorists based upon a shared religion or how they look? Is this part of your civilization vs. barbarism dichotomy, because you’re not doing a lot to make that seem indistinguishable from advocating some kind of genocide or ethnic cleansing.

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Yes, to your stupid comment…being against Islamic terrorists is exactly the same a genocide and ethnic cleansing, one of America’s favorite pastime, we have advocated that so many times during our history…good grief, are you really that stupid? Yeah, I think you are…

right2bright on April 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Seriously? You think it is OK for people to randomly assault those they believe to be terrorists based upon a shared religion or how they look? Is this part of your civilization vs. barbarism dichotomy, because you’re not doing a lot to make that seem indistinguishable from advocating some kind of genocide or ethnic cleansing.

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Just like it’s OK for people from one particular religion to randomly KILL civilians from a country they don’t like?

J.H. on April 19, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Nope, that’s actually what happy believes.

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM

FO I wasn’t talking to you. You’re an admitted pervert you freak.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Young.
Muslim.
Male.

Those seem to be recurring themes whenever there are terrorist attacks or suspicious acts, like two muslims trying to board a school bus.

Of course they are released.

So maybe next time they will be licensed school bus drivers.

Though you will never hear anything about these recurring themes from the LSM.

Sterling Holobyte on April 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM

It’s comical, in a sad way, to watch the trolls trying to score a ‘win’ for their side on this matter. Their need for relevance is so awfully plain and pitiful.

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM

“Now is the time to collect the dots. NOT CONNECT THE DOTS. We don’t know if their religion had ANYTHING to do with this.”

portlandon on April 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Gee, did you think of that all by yourself?

Pal, you connect the dots as you collect them…and luckily, common sense…two Islamic, whose web pages link to AQ, wearing explosive vests, not having an American friends, believing in the AQ lovely traditions…yeah, how many dots do you need?

What do you think the FBI is doing? Collecting dots, or connecting dots…sitting back and analyzing, or taking action by connecting the dots, where he lived…wait, maybe they should sit down for a week or two and collect, and wait until all the collecting is done…ohhh boy, we have some winners today.

Oh, yeah, like Kerry on Benghazi…we need years of confirmed “dots” before making an assumption…but then we also have more important things by then…shhhesssssh!!!

right2bright on April 19, 2013 at 11:21 AM

David Sirota and Chris Matthews wet dream didn’t come true.

bw222 on April 19, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Our executive branch is controlled by a venal (not venial) version of the Keystone Kops.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 10:19 AM

The Keystone Kops were funny and never got anyone killed. You can’t say that for this crew.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Oh, please! Don’t pretend you take anything I say seriously. The civilization, barbarism, freedom thing is something I talk to YOU about only. You’re just utterly obsessed with oppression. It drives all your thinking.

Muslims are not being oppressed in any meaningful sense. There will never be a concerted effort to actually oppress them (like driving them out of our country).

But please stop the fake indignation at my comment. You know you don’t actually listen to anyone here. You only spout off the same “oppression” nonsense in every thread. Nothing anyone says matters to you till they say something “oppressive”… Then you respond and act all concerned.

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM

…with a brief explanation of how the police “put two and two together” from Brian Ross…

So was Brian Ross surprised to find that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar were not listed on the local Tea Party website?

Hill60 on April 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I don’t know if this is anything. Just an interesting read I found this morning.

Obama Campaign Linked To Chechen Terrorism
Grant Of Taxpayer-Funded U.S. Asylum For Chechen Terror Envoy Gave Obama Foreign Policy Guru Zbigniew Brzezinski “One Of The Happiest Days Of My Life”

If the American public were generally aware that the “foreign minister” of one of the most murderous terrorist organizations in the world, a man whose extradition on terrorism charges is sought by at least one UN Security Council permanent member, is living openly in Washington DC, they might be indignant. If Americans knew that this is the “foreign minister” of a terrorist group specializing in killing women and children, first in a hospital, then in a school, and later defenseless civilians in a theater, their indignation might grow into rage. If they knew that this envoy for terrorists is living in the comfortable Woodley Park neighborhood of Washington DC with a lifestyle most Americans could not afford, with an office, a secretary, a travel budget, and a public relations budget all paid for at the expense of the US taxpayers, with State Department checks signed by Condoleezza Rice, they might be furious. If they knew that this ambassador for terrorists had been set up in his current all-expenses-paid, taxpayerfunded lifestyle by a man who is the main image adviser and the main foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama, their view of the Illinois senator and his qualifications for the presidency might well undergo a radical change.
And yet, all this is reality. The terrorist organization in question is the Chechen rebel group associated with the names of two of the greatest butchers of our time, Aslan Maskhadov and Shamil Basayev, both deceased even though the organization they built fights on. The foreign minister and ambassador for this terrorist group is Ilyas Khamzatovich Akhmadov (Ильяс Хамзатович Ахмадов, born December 19, 1960), who was granted political asylum in the United States in 2003.

http://tarpley.net/2008/02/03/obama-campaign-linked-to-chechen-terrorism/

From WIKI:

On July 29, 1999, a month before the beginning of the Second Chechen War, the President of Ichkeria Aslan Maskhadov appointed Akhmadov as Foreign Minister. Soon, Akhmadov and his colleagues in the separatist government dispersed and went into hiding, with some again taking up arms against the Russians. Akhmadov himself left Chechnya.

In his appeals and meetings with the representatives of UN, OSCE, PACE, European Parliament, UNHCR, U.S. Congress, the U.S. presidential administration and international NGOs, he called for observance of human rights during the conflict. In January 2000, Akhmadov visited the United States, where he met with officials of the State Department. He embarked on a tour of Western capitals, returning twice to the United States in 2000 and again in 2001. This provoked complaints from Russia, which alleged that he was involved in terrorism in Chechnya and elsewhere in Russia.

In 2002 Akhmadov claimed asylum in the United States but his initial bid was turned down after opposition from the United States Department of Homeland Security. However, he gained support from members of the U.S. Congress and peace campaigners, who saw him as a moderate (indeed, Akhmadov has repeatedly criticised suicide bombings and hostage-takings by Chechen extremists and has campaigned for peace talks to end the war). In April 2004 an Immigration Judge in Boston issued an order granting Akhmadov asylum in the United States; that ruling became effective in August 2004 following the U.S. Government’s abrupt withdrawal of its notice of appeal of the Immigration Judge’s decision.

More from he above link:

JellyToast on April 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Oh, please! Don’t pretend you take anything I say seriously. The civilization, barbarism, freedom thing is something I talk to YOU about only. You’re just utterly obsessed with oppression. It drives all your thinking.

happytobehere on April 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM

You snagged a troll, and reeled him in! The student bests the master. Good job, grasshopper.

/*bows to happy*

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The “others” gathered in the situation room will be Jarrett, et al., the political types who will decide what the spin will be and direct the policy from here “going forward”.

BTW, I hate that “going forward” phrase.

Qzsusy on April 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Muslims in this country aren’t any where near as vilified and persecuted and are objects of bigotry as are people who openly exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

Socratease on April 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Notice: The right will instantly cease and desist any discussion of these young men as “crazy” or “nut jobs” now that they have been officially linked to Islam. Had they been white Americans, or even atheists then they would’ve been “insane,” but in the conservative worldview all Muslims are terrorists therefore this act is evidence of a sober, planned jihad rather than the obvious evidence of psychosis. There are no “crazy” Muslims. Just “crazy” white Americans like the guy who committed the mass murder of Sikhs this summer.

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Oh please. If this were connected to the Tea Party you would be dancing a jig. Instead, you reach for another handy club to try to beat us with. Because all discussions have to be directed to how hateful we are, no matter what. You’re incorrigible.

Jeff Weimer on April 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 10:24 AM

You’re so full of shite and so brainwashed .

CW on April 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Muslims in this country aren’t any where near as vilified and persecuted and are objects of bigotry as are people who openly exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.
Socratease on April 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Or as near as other ethnic and religious groups in their OWN countries.

Cleombrotus on April 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM

ToddPA on April 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM

But the left promised we don’t need our guns because we can just call 911 and the police will show up to protect us.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Is Tom Friedman crying yet?

WisCon on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM

How long would you, a gay man, last in a Muslim culture? Sometimes I think that you liberals are on a suicide mission, trying to destroy everything that protects your way of life.

Gelsomina on April 19, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Why were these two non-citizens registered to vote in MA?

Curtiss on April 19, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Racist!

cptacek on April 19, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Wife not a friend?

goatweed on April 19, 2013 at 6:16 PM

http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/04/the_post-boston_islamophobic_hate_crimes_have_begun.html

On Wednesday, a white man harassed and punched a Palestinian woman in Medford, Massachusetts, calling her a “terrorist” and blaming her for the deadly bombing attack at the Boston Marathon.

Hema Abolaban, a physician, was walking down the street with a friend when they were approached. Malden Patch reported:

“He was screaming ‘F_ you Muslims! You are terrorists! I hate you! You are involved in the Boston explosions! F_ you!’” Abolaban remembered. “Oh my lord, I was extremely shocked.”

She said the man – described as a white male in his thirties wearing dark sunglasses – kept shouting and walking toward her as she backed away.

“I did not say anything to him,” she said. “Not even that we aren’t terrorists…he was so aggressive.”

Abolaban is not alone. The New York Post reports that a Bangladeshi man was beaten up by Latino men outside a Bronx Applebee’s restaurant. He, too, was blamed for the Boston bombing.

libfreeordie on April 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

You overlooked the news about the 3-4 Hispanics, who beat up Muslim in the Bronx….

Bronx idiots beat up ‘Arab’ in revenge

A Bangladeshi man out for dinner at a Bronx restaurant was viciously beaten hours after the Boston Marathon bombing by thugs who called him “a f–king Arab” before pummeling him to the ground, sources said.

Abdullah Faruque, 30 — a native of the South Asian country who grew up in The Bronx — was at Applebee’s on Exterior Avenue in Melrose at about 11:30 p.m. Monday when he went outside for a smoke.

Three or four Hispanic males he’d noticed drinking at the bar followed him and angrily got in his face, he recalled yesterday.

“One of the guys asked if I was Arab. I just shook my head, said like, ‘Yeah, whatever.’ I didn’t even know that [the] Boston [bombing] happened because I had a busy day,” Faruque said.

He turned to head back inside as one of the men snarled, “Yeah, he’s a f–king Arab,” and the gang pounced, punching him on the head and body, dislocating his left shoulder and leaving him semiconscious.

“Before I could grab the door, they started swinging at me,” the network engineer said of the 90-second beatdown. “I’ve been jumped before. If you can’t win, you back up, you try to protect yourself.”

The victim said he went home and turned on the TV, and only then learned about the bombing and put two and two together.

“I saw the news, and then it hits me: That’s why I got jumped,” he said.

The NYPD’s Hate Crimes Unit is investigating.

In Liveenslavedthedie’s world, only white people beat up minorities.

Resist We Much on April 19, 2013 at 9:12 PM

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