Boy Scouts propose lifting ban on openly gay Scouts, not leaders

posted at 2:42 pm on April 19, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Also breaking today: This is a proposal that would go from the executive council to the Boy Scouts of America voting members in May, , and if approved, go into effect in January 2014:

The Boy Scouts of America would no longer deny membership to youth on the basis of sexual orientation, but would maintain its ban on openly gay adult leaders under a proposal it is considering, the group said Friday…

“If approved, the resolution would mean that ‘no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.’ The BSA will maintain the current membership policy for all adults,” Boy Scouts public relations director Deron Smith said.

The Boys Scouts have been considering a change in the longstanding policy against allowing openly gay members. In February, the Boy Scouts’ national executive board postponed a vote on lifting its outright ban on openly gay Scouts and troop leaders and ordered a survey of its members on the issue.

The Boy Scouts have been mulling a version of this proposal for a while, but the parameters changed in response to a survey it commissioned of members:

Earlier, the BSA had indicated it might give local Scout units the option of admitting gays as both youth members and adult leaders, or continuing to exclude them

The BSA said Friday it changed course due in part to results of surveys sent out this year to members of the scouting community.

The survey, according to CNN, showed a generational split with older leaders preferring the exclusion policy and younger parents and teenagers favoring lifting the ban. More from ABC on the survey:

Gay-rights groups have demanded a complete lifting of the ban, while some churches and conservative groups want it maintained in its entirety, raising the likelihood that the new proposal will draw continued criticism from both sides.

Indeed, the BSA, in making its announcement, estimated that easing the ban on gay adults could cause widespread defections that cost the organization 100,000 to 350,000 members.

The review, said a BSA statement, “created an outpouring of feedback” from 200,000 respondents, some supporting the exclusion policy and others favoring a change.

“While perspectives and opinions vary significantly, parents, adults in the Scouting community and teens alike tend to agree that youth should not be denied the benefits of Scouting,” the statement said.

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You’re homosexual. Which do you consider worse, Evangelical Sharia or Islamic Sharia?
Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

The Christian one, of course. All those beheadings committed by the Amish are especially heinous.

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

I wish HotGas had an ignore list.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Start your own club for ghey scouts…

… No one is stopping you.

Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

True that, but the activists insist on imposing their will by forced acceptance, backed by law and government. Its the preferred way of breaking down traditional values.

hawkeye54 on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Then why are the boy scouts willing to allow boy scouts who identify themselves as sexually interested in boys tent with the object of their sexual interests?
It is illogical on the face of it.
Exactly!
melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Seriously? I was never into scouting but for those little kids on the application there’s actually a place for them to say whether they prefer c*** or p*****?!!
Who knew.

Marcus on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

The Scouts are finished. Just a matter of time now.

Kjeil on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

The Christian one, of course. All those beheadings committed by the Amish are especially heinous.

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Yeah I wanted to answer his question, but the Burka my Evangelical husband insists I wear keeps falling off.//

:)

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:36 PM

What these open-door liberals never explain is why is it so imperative for a kid to be open about being gay? Does an eleven year old always know, and why should be be pressured to announce it? Why lock little kids into a box to advance an adult sexual/political agenda?

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 3:36 PM

More enlightened…just not a big deal to most.

verbaluce on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Please do enlighten us all on your extensive Boy Scout experience…

Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Seriously? I was never into scouting but for those little kids on the application there’s actually a place for them to say whether they prefer c*** or p*****?!!
Who knew.

Marcus on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Yes, because gays only ever “identify” their sexuality by filling out an application..///

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:37 PM

You’re referring, of course, to the proud American tradition of making some people out to be second class citizens.

alchemist19 on April 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Bullcarp! You (or whomever) are NOT a ‘persecuted minority’! You commit a certain subset of perverted sexual activity, and claim that somehow the rest of us have to applaud that and call it normal! It isn’t, and I won’t. If you don’t want to be treated a certain way because of actions you commit, then you can 1) stop the acts, or 2) keep it quiet. You do not get to call your perversion normal and trumpet it about town and then expect to be treated as if you had not.

I’ll reuse the phrase I keep handy for use against the islamofascists: Lan astaslem!

GWB on April 19, 2013 at 3:37 PM

It’s cool verb just used “enlightened” instead of “corrupted.”

I’m sure it was an honest mistake.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

How crazy can it get? Pretty crazy.

Prolly a wannabe den mother.

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Things are going to get very interesting on the Left when science conclusively isolates a gay gene…. gays versus abortionists.

This is a very realistic probability as the DNA code is increasingly understood.

matthew8787 on April 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM

How crazy can it get? Pretty crazy.

Prolly a wannabe den mother.

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Bwahhahha..

GLBT “safe zones?” Is that like gun free zones?

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

You’re referring, of course, to the proud American tradition of making some people out to be second class citizens. alchemist19 on April 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

When you declare to people that your anus is a penis clown car, you have harmed your own social status among normal people. They needn’t evoke any “tradition.”

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

You’re homosexual. Which do you consider worse, Evangelical Sharia or Islamic Sharia?
Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

You’re a Christian. Which do you hate more, Democrat intolerance or Republican Intolerance?

hawkdriver on April 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM

This is dumb. The scouts have always drawn gay pedophiles as scoutmasters. My brief stint I came into contact with three gay scout leaders who, of course, hid their agenda.

John the Libertarian on April 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Yes, because gays only ever “identify” their sexuality by filling out an application..///
melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Have you ever been to a gay doctor or dentist? I mean willingly. How do you know if you have or have not? Let me guess, like the now out preacher father of Jessica Simpson, they were married to a woman, and had children!

Marcus on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

What does conservative fiscal-policy have to do with humping? What other rights would you impose upon because of your “religion?”

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

You’re the definition of vapid. Sheesh what a puke.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

How crazy can it get? Pretty crazy.

Prolly a wannabe den mother.

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Holy Moses…

SMOD can not arrive soon enough.

This country needs an enema.

BigWyo on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

The Boy Scouts will be the big loser. There will be a mass exodus and the gays will have accomplished one of their goals in their quest to destroy traditional America.

kemojr on April 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Leave the sex out of the “BOY” Scouts. Sexual orientation (preference) should not be an issue for membership to any organization catering to young people ages 11-18. If gay people want the scouting experience then create your own organization. I am sick of people that have to change everyone else to cater to their personal agenda.

mechkiller_k on April 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM

GLBT “safe zones?” Is that like gun free zones?

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Of course not. The cops have guns to protect them. From what, exactly, I don’t know. You’d think a police station should be a safe haven for any law-abiding citizen, not only those who are political ‘special needs’ cases.

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Why do gay people have to announce themselves to the world wherever they go and demand acceptance? Boy Scout camp is not for sex or discussing gender roles. Just shut up and join like everyone else. Keep your sexual preferences to yourself. It’s nobody else’s business.

echosyst on April 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM

This is a rhetorical question, right?

There is, of course, only one correct answer.

trapeze on April 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Things are going to get very interesting on the Left when science conclusively isolates a gay gene…. gays versus abortionists.

This is a very realistic probability as the DNA code is increasingly understood.

matthew8787 on April 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Don’t forget the Climate-Change gene.

And the Narcissistic Gene.

And the Hedonistic Gene.

And the Atheist Gene.

And the Pedophile Gene.

The Gene is the excuse for everything.

Oh man, and that Nazi Gene.

And that Commie Gene.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

The new uniforms will be fabulous!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Have you ever been to a gay doctor or dentist? I mean willingly. How do you know if you have or have not? Let me guess, like the now out preacher father of Jessica Simpson, they were married to a woman, and had children!

Marcus on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Marcus, please tell me then how gay kids get kicked out of the BSA if they don’t identify them as such? If no one knows the kid is gay, then they can’t be kicked out right? Is that what you are arguing?

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 3:36 PM

It’s all about the sex, Liam. All. Victor Davis Hanson had a good article yesterday on National Review Online about “Postmodern Prudes“. They want to run everyone’s lives about every little thing, but they want their hedonism. The libertines are the ones who can’t control their animal urges – and they assume noone else can, either. Therefore, the little kids have to be sexualized, the workplace has to be sexualized, anti-cancer programs have to be sexualized, political protests have to be sexualized, and on and on and on. If they can’t practice their total hedonism, then you must be one of those nasty Puritans who sucks all the joy out of life. And, we can’t have that, now, can we?

GWB on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Have you ever been to a gay doctor or dentist? I mean willingly. How do you know if you have or have not? Let me guess, like the now out preacher father of Jessica Simpson, they were married to a woman, and had children!

Marcus on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

i had “the finger” test last month. my doctor brought in a few magazines for me to read and it took longer than usual. i think he’s gay.

GhoulAid on April 19, 2013 at 3:45 PM

How crazy can it get? Pretty crazy.

Prolly a wannabe den mother.

hey, its San Franfrieko after all.

Its a heavy responsibility being a den mother with so many boys to take care of, and might take precious time away from his/her/its street ministry, but maybe something to consider. All those nice boys he could be guiding and influencing in shaping their lives. His insights for living could make for very penetrating lessons.

/s

hawkeye54 on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

The new uniforms will be fabulous!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

LOL!

Word is, the Bravo Channel is gonna have a reality show re: the new Boy Scout design.

It’s a Brad, Brad World!

Good stuff, LC.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

A quick google search led me to some numbers. As of the end of 2012, the LDS Church alone has over 430,000 scouts. If this policy is changed, and it inevitably leads to the admittance of gay leaders as well, then the scouts stand to lose a lot more than “100,000 to 350,000 members.” I’m sure the mormons wouldn’t be the only church to leave and form their own organization. Bye-bye scouts…

Komsomoletz on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I remember you. You’re a vile bigot and poor speller.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

LOL!

Word is, the Bravo Channel is gonna have a reality show re: the new Boy Scout design.

It’s a Brad, Brad World!

Good stuff, LC.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Yeah I’ve seen Brad and the way he dresses, I wouldn’t trust him to make me a tablecloth!

:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

The boy scouts are not 18 and are not supposed to be having sex, and ought to be taught about traditional values including being a man, taking responsibility and fatherhood. Once you let the gay agenda run things in the boy scouts they will have to have “fairness” to be taught how to be a father in a gay family? They will take over the way they have taken over in the MA public school system, and their way of life has to be taught first and everyone has to ooh and ahhh and revere how special! I am sure there are gays in the membership of the scouts and they don’t want notoriety, stop trying to OUT them.

Fleuries on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

thats a really ignorant statement. there’s no age when someone turns gay. people are born gay and that can manifest anytime.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

So it’s an inherited trait? There’s a gay gene?

How does a gay gene propagate itself, sparky?

And what is the purpose of natural selection for homosexuality? Did gayness make for better hunter/gatherers? How did gayness improve the species?

I’m certain you can work out the evolutionary details here that would probably escape even Darwin. Do please let us know.

trapeze on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Silly.
Either lift the ban or don’t.
I honestly wasn’t aware they had a policy denying membership to kids who identify as gay.
Maybe next they’ll tell us they’re lifting the ban on bilingual short statured kids from Ohio.

verbaluce on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

This is the comment winner for this thread.

This is the perfect summation of the progressive insanity.

Sexuality and gender don’t have any more bearing on yourself or relationships or associations or society and the interplay between these things than your height.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 PM

I remember you. You’re a vile bigot and poor speller.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

I remember you. You’re an anti-religion bigot and a troll.

nobar on April 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

i had “the finger” test last month. my doctor brought in a few magazines for me to read and it took longer than usual. i think he’s gay. GhoulAid on April 19, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Me too. Suddenly I realized he had both hands on my shoulders…

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

I remember you. You’re a vile bigot and poor speller.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

OOOh your bigot card has been declined..

You realize that the bigot card loses its effectiveness when it is overused. I am neither a bigot nor a poor speller. I will admit to being a fast, inaccurate typer and a poor, lazy editor though.

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Like it or not, science is making astounding progress with the study of the genetic code – and not just with disease management and prevention. If you don’t like it, then argue with Johns Hopkins, the Mayo Clinic, NIH, Cleveland Clinic, DuPont, Medtronic, and every medical research institute on the planet.

matthew8787 on April 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

You’re the definition of vapid. Sheesh what a puke.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Um, that was weak. Mulligan.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Marcus on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM

My doctor/dentist has never asked me to sleep in a tent with her, so it hasn’t been an issue. But I’m a grown woman, and I can go to a different health professional–what alternative is there to the Scouts? Liberals apparently believe that no child should have anyplace in his life where he does not have to think about what others wants to do with their genitals.

DrMagnolias on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

thats a really ignorant statement. there’s no age when someone turns gay. people are born gay and that can manifest anytime.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

How does an outsider tell? When the kid comes to school with a set of swatches, starts offering endless clothing and interior decorating suggestions, and starts talking with a lisp?

Hah!

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

You’re homosexual. Which do you consider worse, Evangelical Sharia or Islamic Sharia?
Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

You’re a joke.

Your side regularly sides with the those who stone gay people to death abroad while at home you have a fit if a private institution wants to exercise it’s right to freedom of association.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 3:54 PM

matthew8787 on April 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Kinda like how, in the ’50s, homosexuality was diagnosed as a psychiatric problem, until it wasn’t PC for same?

It’s that geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeene.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 3:54 PM

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Uh huh. The only people parsing arguments about their own bigotry are bigots.

The difference between “you’re” and “your” should be so deeply embedded that you don’t consistently make that error. People who claim this is a typo over and over again are either idiots or liars.

Which are you?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

matthew8787 on April 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

There is no such thing as “about to find” a gene–either you’ve found one, or you are speculating that one exists. Freud used to say that science was about to find a biological cause for certain psychological conditions, and a hundred years later, they’re still looking.

DrMagnolias on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I’m thinkin’ that I have a 1970, 426 Hemi Cuda, orange with a black, shaker hood gene.

‘Cause I love me some 1970, 426 Hemi Cuda, orange with a black, shaker hood stuff!

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

“Hi, I’m a 19 year old boy and I want to go camping with your 15 year old daughter”

“No”

“Bigot!” /libtards

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Your side regularly sides with the those who stone gay people to death abroad while at home you have a fit if a private institution wants to exercise it’s right to freedom of association.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 3:54 PM

When you lie you should at least try to give the impression of believing what you say.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

i had “the finger” test last month. my doctor brought in a few magazines for me to read and it took longer than usual. i think he’s gay. GhoulAid on April 19, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Me too. Suddenly I realized he had both hands on my shoulders…

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

GhoulAid on April 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

thats a really ignorant statement. there’s no age when someone turns gay. people are born gay and that can manifest anytime. nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Riiiiiiight… I’ve seen it unmanifest many times, well into adulthood. What’s your excuse for that? “They were never really gay!”

Keep repeating lies, maybe the youngsters you’re trying to recruit will believe it’s all natural and all.

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

BTW: there is a gay-friendly scouting organization. It’s called Navigators. Interestingly enough, that’s the name of those to-be-hired Obama bureaucrats to inform you of your rights under Obamacare. Tell me that’s not a full-employment act for unemployed, illiterate Obama voters who will still be hauling down unemployment and foodstamps and Section 8 housing while they’re being paid a ridiculously high salary to explain something they couldn’t understand in a million years of study.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Once again the vast majority must, yes must, bend to the will of the bully er minority.

Pardonme on April 19, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Evangelicals are the only Republicans standing in favor of bigotry. This is a cultural failing among evangelicals not a religious failing of Christianity.

Jesus would not treat homosexuals with contempt. I notice you clowns ignored this challenge to your phony morals:

You’re God. Which do you consider worse, homosexuality or infidelity?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

When you lie you should at least try to give the impression of believing what you say.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

What a come back – I supposed to be the liar for calling you out for your ridiculous comparison. You’re the one who equated Evangelicals in America with Sharia abroad.

You are the one equating the Boy Scouts with people who stone homosexuals and condone honor killing women.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM

You’re a Christian. Which do you hate more, Democrat intolerance or Republican Intolerance?

hawkdriver on April 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Oh look, it’s Mr. Please Stop Talking to Me.

What a chump.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Evangelicals are the only Republicans standing in favor of bigotry. This is a cultural failing among evangelicals not a religious failing of Christianity.

Jesus would not treat homosexuals with contempt. I notice you clowns ignored this challenge to your phony morals:

You’re God. Which do you consider worse, homosexuality or infidelity?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

So much ignorance.

“Hate the sin, love the sinner”. It is not Christians who say that sinners are inseparable from sin.

Also, all sin is not weighted equally.

nobar on April 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

You’re God. Which do you consider worse, homosexuality or infidelity?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

You should not ask any Christian to assert, even for your silly hypothetical, that he is God. As a person, I would say both homosexual acts and adultery are sins that must be repented.

DrMagnolias on April 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

So long, BSA! The homosexual gang has been increasingly successful in forcing America to accept their every whim….largely with the help of their”feel good” friends in the party of anything goes, dems.!

tomshup on April 19, 2013 at 4:05 PM

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM

You’re fun. But you’ll have to wait your turn. There’s a bit of a queue forming. Please be patient.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Uh huh. The only people parsing arguments about their own bigotry are bigots.

The difference between “you’re” and “your” should be so deeply embedded that you don’t consistently make that error. People who claim this is a typo over and over again are either idiots or liars.

Which are you?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I am a bigot because I mistyped your and you’re- gotcha.

And I don’t consistently make the typo over and over. You caught me once.

I didn’t “parse an argument” about bigotry. I simply stated I wasn’t one. Maybe you should pay attention to your own bias- English teacher mmmkay?

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Jesus would not treat homosexuals with contempt.
Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

No, he just rained fire and brimstone on their enclave and was done with it. That’s more like “wrath” than “contempt”, so you’ve got a point.

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

John 8:4 – They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

[5] Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

***

[10] When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

[11] She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Ernst Röhm would have been so proud of the BSA.

timberline on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

, I would say both homosexual acts and adultery are sins that must be repented.

DrMagnolias on April 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

You would be consistent and quite uncommon among your (presumed) political-peers. You make a good point about self-deification.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Evangelicals are the only Republicans standing in favor of bigotry. This is a cultural failing among evangelicals not a religious failing of Christianity.

Jesus would not treat homosexuals with contempt. I notice you clowns ignored this challenge to your phony morals:

You’re God. Which do you consider worse, homosexuality or infidelity?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

And you accuse us of spouting lies?

You obvious have no idea of what you’re bloviating about.

For one thing both are condemned as sins. Jesus may not treat homosexuals with contempt but he wouldn’t hesitate to condemn it as a sin. All Christians are called to love sinners but condemn the sin.

I’m not an Evangelical but do belong to a very traditional church and homosexuality is very rarely mentioned from the pulpit but the importance of fidelity and marriage is commonly mentioned.

Seriously, you should stop embarrassing yourself.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Evangelicals are the only Republicans standing in favor of bigotry. This is a cultural failing among evangelicals not a religious failing of Christianity.

Huh. And to think that, before I converted to Christianity, and saw what the Bible had to say about dudes porkin and bolwing each other, I had no opinion on the topic at all.

Jesus would not treat homosexuals with contempt.

Psalm 15:

1 Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?

2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.

3 He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.

4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the Lord. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.

5 He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.

I notice you clowns ignored this challenge to your phony morals: You’re God. Which do you consider worse, homosexuality or infidelity? Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

That’s so heavy… It’s like, Can God make a stone so big He can’t lift it? It like, blows my mind.

Actually, homosexuality is infidelity, genius.

Sometimes people get ignored because they’re dopes. It’s the price you dopes have to pay for being dopes.

Next you’ll want the BSA to drop their ban on dopes.

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

No, he just rained fire and brimstone on their enclave and was done with it. That’s more like “wrath” than “contempt”, so you’ve got a point.

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Dude. You’re reading your Bible upside down. Trinity understanding FAIL!

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

E

rnst Röhm would have been so proud of the BSA.

timberline on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Yup, the new, more embracing Boy Scout uniforms should be a loverly shade of Brown – especially the shirts.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Ernst Röhm would have been so proud of the BSA.

timberline on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Seriously? are you mashing this garbage out in a nut house? You people are sick.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 4:11 PM

, I would say both homosexual acts and adultery are sins that must be repented.

DrMagnolias on April 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

You would be consistent and quite uncommon among your (presumed) political-peers. You make a good point about self-deification.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Congratulations Dr. Magnolias duh Hog must like you… I made the same point and he called me a bigot..

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 4:11 PM

and homosexuality is very rarely mentioned from the pulpit but the importance of fidelity and marriage is commonly mentioned.

Yet here you are in thread after thread espousing your personal animus toward gays and their life choices. Who knew hypocrisy could be so amusing?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM

You’re fun. But you’ll have to wait your turn. There’s a bit of a queue forming. Please be patient.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:05 PM

I understand. It’s a lot of work trying to dig your way out of all the BS you say.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Seriously, you should stop embarrassing yourself.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Find me the thread wherein you rail against infidelity with the same, even a tenth of the vigor you reserve for your ungay rants.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Oh, come on. One look at the official Boy Scout Memorial in DC and you know that the Scours have been not-so-secretly half gay for years. http://www.dcmemorials.com/index_indiv0000750.htm

urban elitist on April 19, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Yet here you are in thread after thread espousing your personal animus toward gays and their life choices. Who knew hypocrisy could be so amusing?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Are you seriously asserting that gwelf could not have formed an opinion without her pastor telling her what to believe?

Trolling must come naturally to you.

nobar on April 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 4:11 PM

I don’t get it, Ernst, and many, high-level Brown-shirts were notorious homosexuals.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Find me the thread wherein you rail against infidelity with the same, even a tenth of the vigor you reserve for your ungay rants.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Find me a Hot Air thread that involves the subject of divorce or infidelity..

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Find me the thread wherein you rail against infidelity with the same, even a tenth of the vigor you reserve for your ungay rants.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Find me a thread where you don’t bash Christians.

nobar on April 19, 2013 at 4:16 PM

It’s ok chumpThreads, you are forgiven.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Congratulations Dr. Magnolias duh Hog must like you… I made the same point and he called me a bigot.

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Dr Magnolia’s comment makes sense. Yours make grammar exercises.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

No, he just rained fire and brimstone on their enclave and was done with it. That’s more like “wrath” than “contempt”, so you’ve got a point.
whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Dude. You’re reading your Bible upside down. Trinity understanding FAIL!
Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:10 PM

But you accept the Bible as authoritative on sexual matters and morality?

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

But you accept the Bible as authoritative on sexual matters and morality?

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Herring of Red

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Find me the thread wherein you rail against infidelity with the same, even a tenth of the vigor you reserve for your ungay rants.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Find me a Hot Air thread that involves the subject of divorce or infidelity..

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Exactly.

It’s also very telling that in Hog’s mind something I’ve said something on this thread that is “homophobic” or full of hate. Or something.

Hog is demonstrating the very typical progressive mentality that if you don’t march in lockstep with them then you must be filled with hate. Very tolerant.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I notice you clowns ignored this challenge to your phony morals: You’re God. Which do you consider worse, homosexuality or infidelity? Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Dr Magnolia’s comment makes sense. Yours make grammar exercises.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Grammar complaints. It’s what trolls turn to when they don’t have any actual arguments.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Exactly.

It’s also very telling that in Hog’s mind something I’ve said something on this thread that is “homophobic” or full of hate. Or something.

Hog is demonstrating the very typical progressive mentality that if you don’t march in lockstep with them then you must be filled with hate. Very tolerant.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Yeppers, he called me a bigot as well. I think it is his “mating call.” :)

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Find me the thread wherein you rail against infidelity with the same, even a tenth of the vigor you reserve for your ungay rants.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Hey man, cut me some slack. It’s barely approaching a year now that the Obama Messiah publicly came out in favor of gay civil unions.

I can find public statements from Obama where he states he supports marriage as between one man and one woman but I don’t think I’ve heard him talk much about infidelity. You must be deeply ashamed to have such a vitriolic and hate filled president.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Dr Magnolia’s comment makes sense. Yours make grammar exercises.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Grammar OCD or unable to make a decent argument?

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM

This is going to end up like the YMCA. You know there will be a sex tent on camp outs.

The most hilarious part of their statement is that sexual conduct by boys of Scouting age is contrary to Scouting’s “virtues.” They really need to tell us why. What is the foundation for that statement? How are they making decisions about what constitutes “virtue.”

It’s obvious that their “virtues” are up to the whim of the culture. Total moral depravity is the only end result. And they can redefine their “virtues” all the way to the bottom.

johnsl14 on April 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Exactly.

It’s also very telling that in Hog’s mind something I’ve said something on this thread that is “homophobic” or full of hate. Or something.

Hog is demonstrating the very typical progressive mentality that if you don’t march in lockstep with them then you must be filled with hate. Very tolerant.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM

And I’m confused by the term, homophobic.

I don’t fear homosexuals.

I, simply, recognize their desires as being utterly sinful, and that said desires should be regarded as same.

That’s not fear.

Not in the least.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Find me a thread where you don’t bash Christians.

nobar on April 19, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Wow. If a Latino said that to you about trending Republican anti-immigrant bashing remarks you would dismiss the charge. Why should what you consider bashing now be taken seriously?

I don’t bash. I challenge. Sorry if you can’t hang.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Right no gay leaders. Period! But Gay scouts? You mean at 11 there are gay kids?

jake49 on April 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

According to LGBT advocates, everyone is either gay, questioning, or in denial.

Ward Cleaver on April 19, 2013 at 4:24 PM

thats a really ignorant statement. there’s no age when someone turns gay. people are born gay and that can manifest anytime.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

So its like an allergy or something?

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Find me the thread wherein you rail against infidelity with the same, even a tenth of the vigor you reserve for your ungay rants.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:13 PM

I’m not the grammar expert you are so maybe you can tell me what an ungay rant is.

Oh crap, I just finished my sentence with a preposition. I hope you wont call me a bigot.

gwelf on April 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Wherein his stupid argument gets blown to, uh, hell.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM

And I’m confused by the term, homophobic.

I don’t fear homosexuals.

I, simply, recognize their desires as being utterly sinful, and that said desires should be regarded as same.

That’s not fear.

Not in the least.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM

As someone said one time, it’s not homophobia, it’s homonausea.

Ward Cleaver on April 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Grammar OCD or unable to make a decent argument?

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Same BS, different thread-page. You’re still a vile bigot and a poor speller.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM

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