Boy Scouts propose lifting ban on openly gay Scouts, not leaders

posted at 2:42 pm on April 19, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Also breaking today: This is a proposal that would go from the executive council to the Boy Scouts of America voting members in May, , and if approved, go into effect in January 2014:

The Boy Scouts of America would no longer deny membership to youth on the basis of sexual orientation, but would maintain its ban on openly gay adult leaders under a proposal it is considering, the group said Friday…

“If approved, the resolution would mean that ‘no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.’ The BSA will maintain the current membership policy for all adults,” Boy Scouts public relations director Deron Smith said.

The Boys Scouts have been considering a change in the longstanding policy against allowing openly gay members. In February, the Boy Scouts’ national executive board postponed a vote on lifting its outright ban on openly gay Scouts and troop leaders and ordered a survey of its members on the issue.

The Boy Scouts have been mulling a version of this proposal for a while, but the parameters changed in response to a survey it commissioned of members:

Earlier, the BSA had indicated it might give local Scout units the option of admitting gays as both youth members and adult leaders, or continuing to exclude them

The BSA said Friday it changed course due in part to results of surveys sent out this year to members of the scouting community.

The survey, according to CNN, showed a generational split with older leaders preferring the exclusion policy and younger parents and teenagers favoring lifting the ban. More from ABC on the survey:

Gay-rights groups have demanded a complete lifting of the ban, while some churches and conservative groups want it maintained in its entirety, raising the likelihood that the new proposal will draw continued criticism from both sides.

Indeed, the BSA, in making its announcement, estimated that easing the ban on gay adults could cause widespread defections that cost the organization 100,000 to 350,000 members.

The review, said a BSA statement, “created an outpouring of feedback” from 200,000 respondents, some supporting the exclusion policy and others favoring a change.

“While perspectives and opinions vary significantly, parents, adults in the Scouting community and teens alike tend to agree that youth should not be denied the benefits of Scouting,” the statement said.

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Cool I guess.

mythicknight on April 19, 2013 at 2:43 PM

younger parents and teenagers favoring lifting the ban.

Those most likely to be influenced by Hollywood.

“Well, the fellas on Glee seem really sweet.”

itsnotaboutme on April 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM

BSA Contact Us

For anyone who’d like to offer the organization their opinion on the matter.

Deep Thought on April 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM

The destruction of American traditions continues apace.

Bitter Clinger on April 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM

What is MKH’s view on teh gheys, identity-wise, marriage-wise, behavior-wise, and otherwise.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Why don’t they just start up a “gay” scout group of their own? Could buy pup tents by bulk.

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I really don’t believe in conspiracy theories, but when it comes to this topic; I notice that Hotair never reports the other side’s “evil shenanigans.” No reporting on how the state of California wants to mandate insurance start pay for infertility treatment for gays. And no reporting on stuff like this:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/middle-school-anti-bullying-lesson-includes-lesbian-role-play.html

Young girls at a New York middle school were instructed to ask one another for a lesbian kiss and boys were given guidance on how to tell if women are sluts during an anti-bullying presentation on gender identity and sexual orientation, angry parents allege

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Right no gay leaders. Period! But Gay scouts? You mean at 11 there are gay kids?

jake49 on April 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

What could go wrong?

Matticus Finch on April 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

If they don’t the gays will continue to rent seek by suing continuously until the BSA ceases to exist. If they do…

Indeed, the BSA, in making its announcement, estimated that easing the ban on gay adults could cause widespread defections that cost the organization 100,000 to 350,000 members.

They’ll disappear anyway.

LincolntheHun on April 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Hmmmm when I was in scouting I never knew any openly straight scouts.

CW on April 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Why do gay people have to announce themselves to the world wherever they go and demand acceptance? Boy Scout camp is not for sex or discussing gender roles. Just shut up and join like everyone else. Keep your sexual preferences to yourself. It’s nobody else’s business.

echosyst on April 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Right no gay leaders. Period! But Gay scouts? You mean at 11 there are gay kids?

jake49 on April 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

First step is to allow gay kids.. Gay leaders will come down the pipe in about five years. What we know about progression is that it never stops progressing.

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Exit question:

How many Athiestpundit updates will soon follow ???

Over/Under is three

Eph on April 19, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Link to earlier HotAir Headlines thread (which had a misleading headline):

Boy Scouts to partially drop ban on gay members

ITguy on April 19, 2013 at 2:52 PM

What is MKH’s view on teh gheys, identity-wise, marriage-wise, behavior-wise, and otherwise.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Behold the long-term effects of Excessive-Twitter/Texting-Syndrome (ET2S)!!!

The horror.

The horror.

pilamaye on April 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM

And where do transgender kids fit in? Can’t exclude them, right?

Gay leaders are inevitable, since they’ll be needed as ‘role models’ for the gay scouts.

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Thankfully my son will be able to get his Eagle by the end of this year. He is 13 years old and goes to Christian school. We asked him how he felt about this. His answer was “only if they change the scout oath to remove the part about doing your duty to God”. This just introduces sexuality somewhere that it does not belong.

Alderene on April 19, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Right no gay leaders. Period! But Gay scouts? You mean at 11 there are gay kids?

jake49 on April 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

thats a really ignorant statement. there’s no age when someone turns gay. people are born gay and that can manifest anytime.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

“Why do gay people have to announce themselves to the world wherever they go and demand acceptance? ”

Ask the Morning Shmoe

Eph on April 19, 2013 at 2:56 PM

This is a sad day. I was looking forward to getting reinvolved with scouting when my son came of age. Now I’ll have to find an alternative.

ksbsnowowl on April 19, 2013 at 2:56 PM

what’s more insidious these days to society? islam or gays? tough call.

GhoulAid on April 19, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Question for the Boy Scouts:

How do you unpop a balloon?

madmonkphotog on April 19, 2013 at 2:56 PM

And where do transgender kids fit in? Can’t exclude them, right?

Gay leaders are inevitable, since they’ll be needed as ‘role models’ for the gay scouts.

If gays are welcome, so too, should be transgendered kids, and leaders. Wouldn’t be fair to exclude them, now, would it?

hawkeye54 on April 19, 2013 at 2:56 PM

thats a really ignorant statement. there’s no age when someone turns gay. people are born gay and that can manifest anytime.

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

LOL– Can we get a better class of troll?

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Well gang, the Boston coverage is over….

..back to the gay threads….

ToddPA on April 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Seems like a good solution, but I bet they’re eventually bullied into allowing gay leaders, too.

changer1701 on April 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM

This is a sad day. I was looking forward to getting reinvolved with scouting when my son came of age. Now I’ll have to find an alternative.

ksbsnowowl on April 19, 2013 at 2:56 PM

you and your son better start watching glee, as last night’s fabulous episode will be THE talk around the campfire.

GhoulAid on April 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM

After the BSA and gay marriage is there any chance that the gay leftist mafia will leave people alone?

Does the left ever stop?

darwin on April 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM

And where do transgender kids fit in? Can’t exclude them, right?

Gay leaders are inevitable, since they’ll be needed as ‘role models’ for the gay scouts.

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Dang HotAir and their filters.

Liam the Girl organization equivalent to the BSA is already accepting transgenders.

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM

It still has to be voted on. Not a done deal.

yongoro on April 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM

gay. people are born gay
nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Funny that the doctors don’t tell parents when they give birth to a “gay” baby. Or even tell them the results of embryonic “gay gene” test.

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 3:00 PM

So, would it be good policy to let a boy scout tent with a girl scout? How about it the boy scout was 17 and the girl scout 13? No? Then why are the boy scouts willing to allow boy scouts who identify themselves as sexually interested in boys tent with the object of their sexual interests?

It is illogical on the face of it.

My boys are leaving the boy scouts and joining a more explicitly Christian scouting organization if this goes through. I suggest peple do the same to protect their children from tenting with another child who is sexually interested in them. That is just trouble, it sarts with T and rhymes with B and that stands for bad policy for the scouts.

We will miss you.

Trey

TMink on April 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Question for the Boy Scouts:

How do you unpop a balloon?

madmonkphotog on April 19, 2013 at 2:56 PM

When I was a kid I was so innocent, and naive. You can just feel the innocence of kids today being lost when they’re confronted with gay topics such as gay marriage, gay scouts, gay scout leaders, two mommies, two daddies, gay sexuality and sexual practices, gay children, the transgendered, and bisexuality.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Why don’t they just start up a “gay” scout group of their own? Could buy pup tents by bulk.

Why should they have to start their own scout group? Gays should be able to break down the barriers that have excluded them from participating in the traditional scouts. The Boy Scouts must evolve and do away with such divisive, judgemental and prejudicial policies, don’t you know.

hawkeye54 on April 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Trustworthy
Loyal
Helpful
Friendly
Courteous
Kind
Obedient
Cheerful
Thrifty
Brave
Clean
Reverent

spmat on April 19, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Well, it’s not over yet. The vote still has to be taken, and the last speaker is from the LDS church; which is the biggest (I Think) sponsor of scouting.

Pretty sure that if the national scout counsel votes for this, the LDS church and probably many others will pull out. And that’s the end of scouting.

So it’s pretty crucial to get this one right.

I’d love to see the gaystapo get all fired up and angry if the Boy Scouts refuse to buckle under to them. Because nothing says “we are harmless” like persecuting the Boy Scouts.

Vanceone on April 19, 2013 at 3:04 PM

I can understand banning gay leaders but banning gay scouts seems pointless. 81% of the victims of pedophile priests were molested by homosexuals, after all.

CrustyB on April 19, 2013 at 3:04 PM

This may seem reasonable but it won’t be enough for the left.

blue13326 on April 19, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Just terrible. Allowing a gay kid in the scouts. What kind of message does that send? We’re telling all the other scouts that homosexuality is not a communicable disease that you can get by sitting next to them. In fact, the Fred Phelps Institute of Pathology has done studies that prove that homosexuality is contagious and the early onset symptoms are a lisp and a weak handshake, followed by an appreciation of musical theater, and finally just before death, a collection of deep V-neck T-shirts appearing on the victim’s chest.

Jesus, come to slay this wicked world!

keep the change on April 19, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Of course, if this DOES happen, exactly what will the Scout oath mean wherein the scout swears to keep himself “morally straight.” How, exactly, is being openly gay in any fashion “Morally Straight?” It pretty much is about the least moral thing around, last I checked.

Vanceone on April 19, 2013 at 3:06 PM

When I was a kid I was so innocent, and naive. You can just feel the innocence of kids today being lost when they’re confronted with gay topics such as gay marriage, gay scouts, gay scout leaders, two mommies, two daddies, gay sexuality and sexual practices, gay children, the transgendered, and bisexuality.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM

The depraved want to corrupt the innocent.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Hey Crusty, I thought it was over 90%.

You can’t give the left an inch, they demand a mile. Whether its abortion, divorce, immigration, homosexual “marriage”, you name it. Better to resist than to give in

Iblis on April 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM

So, would it be good policy to let a boy scout tent with a girl scout? How about it the boy scout was 17 and the girl scout 13? No? Then why are the boy scouts willing to allow boy scouts who identify themselves as sexually interested in boys tent with the object of their sexual interests?

It is illogical on the face of it.

Exactly!

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM

I really don’t believe in conspiracy theories, but when it comes to this topic; I notice that Hotair never reports the other side’s “evil shenanigans.” No reporting on how the state of California wants to mandate insurance start pay for infertility treatment for gays. And no reporting on stuff like this

Not sure how MKH comes down on this, but Ed Morrissey and AllahPundit seem to be pretty pro-homosexual from what I have seen on here. I tend to think of Hot Air as a more middle of the road site rather than conservative. They do take conservative stances on some issues, but lean back the other way on others so, yeah, they are not solidly conservative.

tballard on April 19, 2013 at 3:08 PM

keep the change on April 19, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Troll back out from under the bridge. Don’t you have some gun banning meeting?

CW on April 19, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Apparently, this decision is being made by people who have never been in the Boy Scouts…

Scout Oath
On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight what ever I want.

Scout LawA Scout is:
Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful,
Friendly, Courteous, Kind,
Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty,
Brave, Clean, Reverent, and Ghey!

Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2013 at 3:08 PM

This may seem reasonable but it won’t be enough for the left.

blue13326 on April 19, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Of course not! There will have to be special accommodations made to ensure everything is ‘fair’ and there’s no bullying or what-not. Maybe a few ‘unique’ awards for gay kids, too.

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Thankfully my son will be able to get his Eagle by the end of this year. He is 13 years old and goes to Christian school. We asked him how he felt about this. His answer was “only if they change the scout oath to remove the part about doing your duty to God”. This just introduces sexuality somewhere that it does not belong.

Alderene on April 19, 2013 at 2:54 PM

As a former Scout, I couldn’t agree more. In all my years in Scouting, sexuality was something that was never brought up. There was no place for it. Now it will be front and center at every troop meeting, every weekend campout, every summer camp.

Makes me sad, really. I had hoped my future sons would have the many great experiences I did in Scouting, and I could share those experiences with them just as my dad did with me. Gay leaders are the next step and I will not allow my kids to be involved with that.

Dominion on April 19, 2013 at 3:10 PM

The destruction of American traditions continues apace.

Bitter Clinger on April 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM

You’re referring, of course, to the proud American tradition of making some people out to be second class citizens.

alchemist19 on April 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

This may seem reasonable but it won’t be enough for the left.

blue13326 on April 19, 2013 at 3:05 PM

There is no freedom of association as far as the left is concerned. You must do what they say or be attacked, sued, harassed and intimidated. That’s all the left knows. No discussion, no disagreement.

Not once has the left ever been appeased by bowing to their demands. Not once. It’s better to die trying than capitulate to thugs.

darwin on April 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I was never a Scout.

I don’t give a shit.

I’ve come to the conclusion that America is headed to hell, and that I can’t stop that freight train.

All aboard!

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM

This may seem reasonable but it won’t be enough for the left.

blue13326 on April 19, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Put it on a bumper sticker!
This applies to every political & social issue, as we have seen repeatedly.

AesopFan on April 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM

It is illogical on the face of it.

Exactly!

Feelings and emotion, not logic and reason, drive many leftist objectives.

hawkeye54 on April 19, 2013 at 3:13 PM

the state of California wants to mandate insurance start pay for infertility treatment for gays.
melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Would be like mandating wings to help pigs fly.

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

The beginning of the end of the Boy Scouts.

In 10 years, there will be a law that requires non-gay boys to join the BSA so that gay boys can feel included.

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Gay people that demand access to IMPOSE their gay PERVERSIONS on other people must be called out as the PERVERTS they truely are.

There is a vast difference between tolerating a gay lifestyle and IMPOSING PERVERSIONS on people!

Freddy on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Scout Oath
On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight do what ever I want.

Morality is stifling. We must free ourselves from oppressive morality.

/s

hawkeye54 on April 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM

The beginning of the end of the Boy Scouts.

In 10 years, there will be a law that requires non-gay boys to join the BSA so that gay boys can feel included.

BobMbx on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

That was going to be my response to

There is no freedom of association as far as the left is concerned. You must do what they say or be attacked, sued, harassed and intimidated. That’s all the left knows. No discussion, no disagreement.

Not once has the left ever been appeased by bowing to their demands. Not once. It’s better to die trying than capitulate to thugs.

darwin on April 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Participation will be mandatory. The depraved must have access to your children.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM

You’re referring, of course, to the proud American tradition of making some people out to be second class citizens.

alchemist19 on April 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

No, the American Tradition of rewarding merit and shunning depraved people (including children who are depraved). Which does mean some people are second rate, third rate and lower. I completely approve of distancing myself and my family from degenerate losers for which I am certain you are a member of.

astonerii on April 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Would be like mandating wings to help pigs fly.

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Exactly.. They are saying after gay have sex with their same gender partner for a year; if the fail to conceive they will be considered medically infertile and be given insurance for fertility treatment.

Don’t know why they have to have sex for a year with their partner. Not like it is EVER going to happen. They aren’t infertile; they are doing it wrong.

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

It pains me to see that proud logo in such a context. I love Scouting and hate to see the culture vultures circling around as they have been ever since San Diego. But the corruption of the surrounding culture has contributed to this problem as well. If it were understood that “morally straight” meant that it was understood that as a Scout you were keeping your Johnson in your pants in general, I don’t think this would be such an issue. If Scouting could stand up to the gay lobby and say, “Our Scouts don’t have ‘sex lives’, gay, straight, animal, vegetable, mineral, or otherwise, so your complaint is a complete non sequitor, and does not compute,” it would be nice. Why they don’t feel morally empowered so to do, can only be understood, at least by me, as a tacit admission that their “straight” scouts aren’t so straight, either. More’s the pity. The wages of sin . . .

smellthecoffee on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Kids don’t understand in this “whatever feels good” state were in. Bet they’ll be lined up outside the tent with the pink sleeping bag!

DamnYankee on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

I wish the Boy Scouts would ban all leaders that are a**holes….

Most of them were fine during my sons scouting experience, but there were
a few wanks that I could not stand….

redguy on April 19, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Gayair

celticdefender on April 19, 2013 at 3:18 PM

You’re referring, of course, to the proud American tradition of making some people out to be second class citizens.

alchemist19 on April 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

So girls are “second class citizens” because they can’t join the BSA?

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Would be like mandating wings to help pigs fly.

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Exactly.. They are saying after gay have sex with their same gender partner for a year; if the fail to conceive they will be considered medically infertile and be given insurance for fertility treatment.

Don’t know why they have to have sex for a year with their partner. Not like it is EVER going to happen. They aren’t infertile; they are doing it wrong.

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

What needs to be mandated is Biology 101.

whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I think in realville…..

A troop lets in a gay kid….

80% of the straight ones would leave.

redguy on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Why don’t they just start up a “gay” scout group of their own? Could buy pup tents by bulk. whatcat on April 19, 2013 at 2:47 PM

They amount to 2% of the population and 2% of them had kids with someone before “discovering” they were sex perverts. So that leaves them with a pool of 493 kids to experiment with.

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

As a former Scout, I couldn’t agree more. In all my years in Scouting, sexuality was something that was never brought up. There was no place for it. Now it will be front and center at every troop meeting, every weekend campout, every summer camp….

Dominion on April 19, 2013 at 3:10 PM

This.
Judging from the news articles I have encountered so far, the only Scouts or adult Scouters “kicked out” are those who have made it an issue because of their own open declaration of their homosexual activity (not just same-sex attraction).

AesopFan on April 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM

In 10 years, there will be a law that requires non-gay boys to join the BSA so that gay boys can feel included.

So that in 20 years there will be no non-gay boys. In fact there will be no non-gay girls. Everyone will be gay.

In the meantime, we must challenge all churches to follow the Boy Scouts example and be as welcoming and inclusive to gays.

/s

hawkeye54 on April 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM

“By refusing to consider an end to its ban on gay and lesbian parents, the Boy Scouts have missed an opportunity to exercise leadership and usher the organization back to relevancy,” said Rich Ferraro, Vice President of Communications at GLAAD, which promotes lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights.

Did you read that? You must accept gays or you are irrelevant.

Totally depraved.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 3:22 PM

I think in realville…..

A troop lets in a gay kid….

80% of the straight ones would leave.

redguy on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I am not sure about that. I think most of the time, you wouldn’t have a problem. The issue is that we just don’t put our kids in uncomfortable situations that could become complex. It is the reason we segregate boys and girls to aviod sexual problems that arise.

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Most BSA charters are through churches or other religious orgs.
The depraved sodomites are using this as another front on their war with God.

Civic, faith-based, and educational organizations operate Scouting units to deliver the programs to their youth members, as well as the community at large.
Over 100,000 Scouting units are owned and operated by chartered organizations. Of these:
70.3 percent of all units are chartered to faith-based organizations.
22.0 percent of all units are chartered to civic organizations.
7.6 percent of all units are chartered to educational organizations.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Undoubtedly, some young gay scout-wannabe, used as a gay-”transgender” group pawn, is going to challenge the Boy Scout dress code to literally wear girls clothes within their troop, the very same way they _always_ win court cases to wear girls clothes in schools.

jamesgreenidge on April 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Silly.
Either lift the ban or don’t.
I honestly wasn’t aware they had a policy denying membership to kids who identify as gay.
Maybe next they’ll tell us they’re lifting the ban on bilingual short statured kids from Ohio.

verbaluce on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

You’re referring, of course, to the proud American tradition of making some people out to be second class citizens.

alchemist19 on April 19, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Start your own club for ghey scouts…

… No one is stopping you.

Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

My thought as mentioned above was the Mormon church as they are the largest. I don’t see many churches being forced into accepting openly gay kids. A sexually active high school sophomore going after a fifth grader. The Church I go to counsels pedophiles. But only at times when staff only are in the building much less children. The liability insurance alone will kill it.

CW20 on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Don’t y’all feel all warm and fuzzy, knowing that the Boy Scouts are reinforcing the public school, homosexual indoctrination?

And, just think! It won’t be long before the Boy Scouts will be announcing that they are one with the unfortunate Commie youth, who just want to be included!

Young Pioneers, here we come!

After all, they’re just Commies!

I can’t wait for the pink, We Are One With Homosexuals achievement badge.

Oh! And the red, Hammer and Sickle badge!

Good times!

Good times.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

What will inevitably happen now is the breakup of Scouting. Too many Scout troops are hosted in churches. And too many of the latter will not take a shine to hosting gay-affirming scouting groups on their parish property.

If Scouting does not split in two – an explicitly Christian group and a secularized group – churches will simply form sectarian Scouting groups (some do already), and these will be the scouting groups hosted in (most) churches. And perhaps that’s for the best. At least such groups will have a clearer identity and purpose, and better First Amendment protections.

The center can’t hold any more.

The_Jacobite on April 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM

First step is to allow gay kids.. Gay leaders will come down the pipe in about five years. What we know about progression is that it never stops progressing.

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Yep.

Look, if you want to start a homosexual camping club and grow it over 100 years to rival the Boy Scouts of America, go for it! The evenagelicals started their own (AWANA), and it has been going for 60 years, now. (Many parents put their kids in AWANA because they consider Boy Scouts to be inadequately Christian.) Why is the effort always to force a private institution to accept what they don’t want to accept? I know why – they desire, ultimately to destroy the institution, not to join it. It’s jealousy. Well, if the BSA does this, LOTS of folks will simply walk away.

GWB on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

My religion doesn’t care.

DarkCurrent on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

*evangelicals

GWB on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

You’re God. Which do you consider worse, homosexuality or infidelity?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

You’re evangelical. Which do you consider worse, hypocrisy or hatred?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM

There is a vast difference between tolerating a gay lifestyle and IMPOSING PERVERSIONS on people!

Freddy on April 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

In middle school (45 years ago) we had a music teacher who was gayer than a 3-dollar-bill. We used to make jokes about him behind his back. I suppose he was a good music teacher. It was all part of life, part of growing up, I guess. I wonder if they had qualms about hiring him, or if they wouldn’t, if they knew he was gay.

At the same time our church music director was gay. It was a little disturbing that he drove my 17 year old brother home one night and came onto him in the car. I don’t think my brother told our parents. Somehow I doubt our church would have hired him if they knew he was gay. But that should be their right, I’d think.

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Can the Boy Scouts include some Chechen Rebel tots, too?

After all, it’d be inclusive and they need them some love, too.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

The one called an abomination.

tom daschle concerned on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

You’re homosexual. Which do you consider worse, Evangelical Sharia or Islamic Sharia?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

“By refusing to consider an end to its ban on gay and lesbian parents, the Boy Scouts have missed an opportunity to exercise leadership and usher the organization back to relevancy,” said Rich Ferraro, Vice President of Communications at GLAAD, which promotes lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights.

Good then now you can just ignore normal people.

Akzed on April 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Not sure how MKH comes down on this, but Ed Morrissey and AllahPundit seem to be pretty pro-homosexual from what I have seen on here. I tend to think of Hot Air as a more middle of the road site rather than conservative. They do take conservative stances on some issues, but lean back the other way on others so, yeah, they are not solidly conservative.

tballard on April 19, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Allah and the others, I can understand. They tend to be pragmatic Goldwater conservatives/libertarians. But Ed, while talking about his Catholic faith, always seems to want to have it both ways. I’d really love to know if he’s read “Freedom or Virtue” by Brent Bozell, Jr. from National Review and what he thinks of its arguments.

Vatican Watcher on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

You’re God. Which do you consider worse, homosexuality or infidelity?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Actually I don’t like to speculate on religion, but I love my husband’s Pastor’s answer to my son when he asked why we couldn’t understand God..

Ants can’t fathom a computer. Doesn’t make a computer incomprehensible–only to an ant.

A sin is a sin is a sin..

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Paul-Cincy on April 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM

You sound jealous.

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

I think in realville…..

A troop lets in a gay kid….

80% of the straight ones would leave.

redguy on April 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM

This isn’t the issue it was when you were younger.
For the most part, these kids are raised different then you were.
More enlightened…just not a big deal to most.

verbaluce on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

You’re evangelical. Which do you consider worse, hypocrisy or hatred?

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Your Capitalist Hog. Which do you consider worse, trolling or trolling?

nobar on April 19, 2013 at 3:31 PM

What will inevitably happen now is the breakup of Scouting. Too many Scout troops are hosted in churches. And too many of the latter will not take a shine to hosting gay-affirming scouting groups on their parish property.

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Ya know, I can just visualize, as some communities have expelled the scouts from meeting in civic buildings for exclusionary civil rights violations, if churches expel the scouts for accepting and including gays from meeting in church buildings, I smell threats of voiding tax exempt status and law suits for civil rights violations.

hawkeye54 on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Your capitalist hog which do you like more:

Stupid questions or strawmen?

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Vatican Watcher on April 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

What does conservative fiscal-policy have to do with humping? What other rights would you impose upon because of your “religion?”

Capitalist Hog on April 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Your Capitalist Hog. Which do you consider worse, trolling or trolling?

nobar on April 19, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Beat me to it by two posts. :)

melle1228 on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I guess with the threads getting bogged down…we needed a ‘Squirell!’ post.
Must have been a topic choice bwtn Gay or Palin.

verbaluce on April 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM

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