Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on April 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

[Q]uestions of why the Democratic leadership pushed a bill to the floor that ultimately fell five votes short had some whispering about poor planning. “There is going to be a lot of hindsighting,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., who represents Newtown. He didn’t count himself among the critics, though. “We had to have a vote at some point, and I think now is as good a time as any, and we’re just going to be determined and keep fighting.”…

What became clear Wednesday evening is that any momentum the gun-control movement had had in the wake of the Newtown tragedy had been stalled. Democrats remain heartened that the public overwhelmingly agrees with them on the issue of background checks. But they acknowledged that hopes for swift action have devolved into a longer legislative slog.

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Gun control advocates have told me the assault weapons ban was intended to be a bargaining chip. Ask for the moon, settle for less—in this case, universal background checks. If that was the strategy, it backfired. For most of February and March, gun advocates focused their criticisms on the assault weapons ban. They correctly observed that it outlawed guns but did nothing to keep outlaws from having guns. And they used the time to organize their base, comprised largely of gun owners who love the AR-15 and its variations. Many gun owners might have supported background checks had they not been distracted by the assault weapons issue, which caused them to distrust gun control proponents even more than before.

The proposal to ban assault weapons also led to the Senate spending precious time holding hearings on the merits of the ban. Given this proposal was going nowhere, why waste the time? If President Obama had pushed for a law only requiring universal background checks—maybe coupled with the NRA’s proposal for more funding for school security—he might have been able to persuade Congress to consider his proposals in February, when Newtown was fresher in our collective memory.

The four-month delay enabled the NRA to rally its troops—and, more importantly, its allies in Congress.

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[T]he GOP controlled House was clearly unwilling to pass serious gun control legislation. Anything that got through the Senate would have to be even further watered down in order to get through the House. The administration no doubt hoped that the vote would be a tough one for blue state Republicans and help whip up the base for 2014, but it’s hard to see a serious person being convinced that this legislative process was going to end up making substantial changes in American gun policy.

A principled senator who truly believed that his or her vote on a gun control law would make a real difference on the ground might choose to stake an entire career on one vote. But if the vote in question were more an act of symbolism and sham that real substance, the equation is very different. Is there really any point in throwing your political career away in order to give a few days’ passing satisfaction to New York Times editorial writers?

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Toomey, who threw his political weight into working with his Senate friend Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., on a compromise to expand background checks to commercial firearms sales over the Internet and at gun shows, said that for him it’s time to move on.

“I did the best I could. I wish it had passed, but the Senate has spoken and these things happen,” Toomey told The Morning Call immediately after the vote on his amendment. “It’s always worth it to do the right thing … no regrets.”

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Speaking is physically difficult for me. But my feelings are clear: I’m furious. I will not rest until we have righted the wrong these senators have done, and until we have changed our laws so we can look parents in the face and say: We are trying to keep your children safe. We cannot allow the status quo — desperately protected by the gun lobby so that they can make more money by spreading fear and misinformation — to go on.

I am asking every reasonable American to help me tell the truth about the cowardice these senators demonstrated. I am asking for mothers to stop these lawmakers at the grocery store and tell them: You’ve lost my vote. I am asking activists to unsubscribe from these senators’ e-mail lists and to stop giving them money. I’m asking citizens to go to their offices and say: You’ve disappointed me, and there will be consequences…

Mark my words: if we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress, one that puts communities’ interests ahead of the gun lobby’s. To do nothing while others are in danger is not the American way.

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In Giffords’ view, these senators are two-faced, because you cannot truly sympathize with her unless you vote for the bills she supports. But I am a little confused about the purported motivation for this perceived betrayal. Obama and Giffords both insist the senators who voted against new gun controls did so not out of conviction but out of fear—specifically, fear that they would be defeated the next time they run for re-election. If their constituents “overwhelmingly favored expanding background checks,” however, wouldn’t voting for the bill mandating those have been the politically expedient thing to do? And why is opposing the will of the majority a mark of “cowardice,” as Giffords says, rather than a mark of courage?

Furthermore, why would senators be afraid of “the gun lobby” unless they think it can sway voters against them? Isn’t that ultimately the source of the NRA’s fearsome power? But if voters are so easily manipulated, why should we be impressed by majority support for expanded background checks or any other gun control measure? I suspect that Giffords credits the majority with wisdom only when the polls are going her way, just as she credits politicians with integrity only when they agree with her.

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If this doesn’t demonstrate the limitations of the president’s political muscle and the influence of his newly minted Organizing for Action lobbying group, I don’t know what does. Yet, despite the embarrassing setback, Obama nonetheless argued that he still held the upper hand, politically: “If this Congress refuses to listen to the American people and pass commonsense gun legislation, then the real impact is going to have to come from the voters.” That couldn’t misread the political environment heading into 2014 anymore. That’s the audacity of mope.

Put simply, the 2014 Senate elections will be fought predominantly on the very turf that is most inhospitable to gun control–Southern and Mountain West conservative states. It’s no coincidence that three of the four Democrats who opposed the Toomey-Manchin bill are facing difficult reelections in 2014 and presumably are attuned to the sentiments of their constituents. Blame the National Rifle Association for the bill’s failure, but the lobby is feeding into already deeply held opposition to gun regulations and a broader sense of anxiety about the president’s and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s intentions–particularly given the president’s past publicized remark about “bitter” rural voters who “cling to their guns and religion.” It doesn’t take much for the gun-rights crowd, significant in these states, to jump to inaccurate conclusions given that history.

And how do the White House or allied groups plan on punishing gun-control opponents? The notion of challenging the Second Amendment Democrats is as fanciful as it is self-defeating. Democratic primary voters in the deep South have significantly different views on gun rights than their coastal counterparts. Even if they support expanded background checks, the chance of landing a candidate running a one-issue campaign against brand-name Democrats like Mark Pryor and Mark Begich defies common sense.

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What was so extraordinary about the president’s performance yesterday is that this is the version of himself he’s always tried to keep under wraps. He made his career on sounding reasonable, positioning himself as the middle between two extremes, pretending to afford respect for the arguments of his opponents, and never, ever showing anger. You always knew this was all a pose, but he never fully let loose until yesterday when he vented his rage at and his contempt for his opponents, and after a defeat in the most traditional of all liberal causes, gun control. It’s amazing how he believes that everyone else in Washington engages in politics except for him, even though the way he reacted after Newtown was textbook political exploitation of a tragedy–using the victims and their families to the maximum extent possible and pursuing policy goals that he’d always favored but that wouldn’t have prevented the shooting. In his own mind, he’s the brave and sincere one, and everyone opposed to him is an insincere coward. We already knew all of this about him, but it was revealing all the same.

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On the surface it was about the shellacking gun control laws took in the Senate. Make no mistake: while this was a policy loss for Obama, it was also much, much more.

It was the moment the bully gets popped in the nose, and the unexpected sensation of shock and pain leaves him aghast. It was the moment, to use a rather apropos analogy, the mugger finds himself starting down the black void of a .45 barrel in the fist of his intended victim.

It was shock that the glowing, constant press coverage, the lockstep drumbeat on the nation’s editorial pages, the hectoring, lecturing rants from Joe Scarborough and Piers Morgan et al., the Bloomberg TV ads featuring the families of Newtown, the vaunted OFA operation’s push, and all the personal phone calls from President Charm Offensive himself couldn’t move the votes.

And that enraged Obama. His sense that he is uniquely persuasive and that once he “takes it to the people” the argument is over, was directly challenged, and he failed.

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TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 AM

I’m certainly wondering about the police presence. It seems like a lot more than for two perpetrators who killed a campus cop and hijacked a Mercedes SUV.

Reports just in that one is dead. The police are looking for the other in the white hat from the Marathon.

Suspect one is killed according to police.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 3:37 AM

Latest TV report (claimed to be from LE “sources”):

Suspects in MIT/Watertown mayhem are marathon bombing suspects. One killed – suspect #1. Suspect #2 (Sunil. assumedly) at large.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 3:37 AM

Police confirm that these two are the two from the Boston Marathon bombing.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 AM

Suspect one has now been reported killed.

Why can’t they get this crap straight.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 AM

So whats the topic? The crazed terrorist?

tommy71 on April 19, 2013 at 3:35 AM

Quotes of the Day: Anything goes as long as long as you’re wearing a shirt, shoes, and pants.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 AM

Yep, WCVB now saying one suspect dead, one suspect still on the run. I hope they get suspect 2 alive.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 AM

#2 is the freak that left the bomb next to the 8 year old who died.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:42 AM

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 AM

Fog of War.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 3:43 AM

Suspect one has now been reported killed.

Why can’t they get this crap straight.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:38 AM

Highly chaotic situation and journalists are not part of the investigation.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 AM

This chick reporter on WCVB has no idea what facial recognition software is or what it does … but that doesn’t stop her from talking about it as if she does.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 AM

Betcha a cell has helped keep Sunil hidden since mid march.

No wonder he left his phone and wallet behind in mid march. He didn’t want to use them.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 AM

She was rambling earlier, trying to fill air time, and inadvertently called IED’s “IUD’s”.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 AM

This chick reporter on WCVB has no idea what facial recognition software is or what it does … but that doesn’t stop her from talking about it as if she does.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 AM

No surprise. Very few if any reporter knows much about what they pontificate on.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 AM

She was rambling earlier, trying to fill air time, and inadvertently called IED’s “IUD’s”.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 AM

Heh.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 AM

She was rambling earlier, trying to fill air time, and inadvertently called IED’s “IUD’s”.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 3:46 AM

Hmmmmm.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 3:47 AM

i hope the white hat guy lives to trial.

if both of these pukes go down then where’s the motive?

they keep saying white hat guy is suicidal….wonderful. He’s on the lam…police are setting up a briefing.

so he’s got plenty of time to off himself…little puke.

and then what about their networks…they had to have friends

i’m getting pissed

r keller on April 19, 2013 at 3:48 AM

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:44 AM

If it’s him, and it certainly looks as if it is by the photographs, it seems likely to me, as well. Either that, or he really researched the same techniques and protocols used by same.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 3:48 AM

WCVB says there will be a police briefing shortly.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 3:48 AM

r keller on April 19, 2013 at 3:48 AM

I agree. If they’re both killed – conspiracy theories will still be spread.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 3:50 AM

And, while the Tripathi clan’s crisis is undeniably sad, a five-state all out manhunt for an emotionally disturbed, underweight youth who “always wears three winter coats” and has a history of mental illness frankly isn’t merited.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981864024

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:50 AM

Controlled detonation about to begin.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:52 AM

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 3:18 AM

Well, this all began when an M.I.T. campus copy was shot and killed. That happened at about 10:30 pm.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 3:22 AM

TarheelBen:

Exactly,I posted the MIT Officer shooting,
and when this story was breaking.

The same for West Texas Fertilizer Explosion!!

From what I`m hearing,there claiming,
that these are the BostonMarathonBomberGoons!!:)

BREAKING

*************Gun/Grenade Fight *************************

Why Yes,in Massachusetts………………………….

LIVE FEED,below

Reports of gunfight, explosives in Watertown, Massachusetts – @Suntimes

59 secs ago by editor
==========================

Tweets All / No replies

Suntimes Suntimes ‏@Suntimes 1m

Report: Cops near Boston may have apprehended a suspect in rolling gun and grenade battle in Watertown, Ma. Gunshots stopped. Developing.

Suntimes Suntimes ‏@Suntimes 2m

RT @suntimes: live TV feed from Boston: http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon … Pitched gun and grenade battle underway …
View summary
=====================
Suntimes Suntimes ‏@Suntimes 3m

live TV feed from Boston: http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon … Pitched gun and grenade battle underway …
View summary
==================

https://twitter.com/Suntimes

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 1:02 AM

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 3:54 AM

r keller on April 19, 2013 at 3:48 AM

me too. This freak Sunil is the son of a wealthy Software CEO. Classic lefty wealth hater who didn’t have to work.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:54 AM

I just woke up and turned on the news to find the manhunt.

Help me out. A cop was killed. Apparently, the bigger suspect has been killed, and authorities are hunting the smaller guy with the big nose and the white hat.

What do we know of these guys? Foreigners or OWS-types?

Now that a cop has been killed, I’m betting the second guy is NOT living past daybreak.

Ideally, I’d like one of three endings.

First, upon catching the guy, a Braveheart disemboweling execution without the beheading–I want maximum suffering.

Second, a timed execution along the lines of the explosives in the a**hole that Creasy administered to the guy under the underpass in Man on Fire.

Third, a multiple gunning down by townspeople along the lines of the killing of Peter Graves’s character in Stalag 17.

Suggestions?

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 3:54 AM

^^^^UNBELIEVABLE.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 AM

That story is from March 28th. I doubt they would write an article like that today.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 3:54 AM

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Mental illness crops up as a cause for a mass casualty event onece again.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 AM

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981864024

^^^^UNBELIEVABLE.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Yep.

Did you catch the comment from the LostNMissing company? Pretty pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 AM

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 3:55 AM

Hmm. So what was the other guy’s excuse?

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 AM

Police to conduct door-to-door search of buildings in Watertown, MA, for shooting suspect following gun battle – @MassStatePolice

1 min ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 3:57 AM

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 3:49 AM

That piece makes number 2 sound pretty harmless. Nothing like the reports we’re getting this morning. I hope they get him alive, just to put conspiracy theories to rest.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 AM

This is just crazy.

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 AM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 AM

The linked article provided by sparkplug reference mental illness for Sanil. As to the motive of the other that will have to wait until later in the investigation.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 AM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 AM

I should also state that I don’t consider mental illness as an acceptable excuse to commit atrocities like this.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 4:04 AM

The BostonMarathonBomberGoon,wearing the Black Cap,

…………is no more!!
========================

GoonNumberTwo,wearing White Cap,is at large!!

Live Feed:

Live Wire

MIT police officer killed; reports of gunfight, explosions Live
An MIT police officer was shot and killed Thursday night. In addition, police were led on a chase into Watertown, where a gunfight and explosives were detonated

http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 4:05 AM

One thing I did get right was that #2 was extremely extremely skinny. You could see this from his legs from the surveillance vid.

Then I looked up SUNIL on the internet. Found out the freak is 6 feet tall and 130 pounds and a vegetarian.

At that time I thought #2 was him for sure. Then I screwed up by changing my opinion because I got him confused with another person when the latest closeups came out.

But then I looked again and its him for sure.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 4:05 AM

funny to watch this grow over the intertubes. People otherwise asleep (Glenn Reyonlds, Dana Loesch) suddenly appear.

Tammy bruce is lucking on PST..even Colter has had a tweet or two

oops, even Ed Morrisey just tweeted.

meanwhile Tammy Bruce says

Now hearing there may be more than two suspects.

i’m fading…and out

r keller on April 19, 2013 at 4:05 AM

MIT shooting, April 18, 2013

@AtwaterWCVB tweeted:

A home on Dexter that police have lit up with spotlights. #WCVB pic.twitter.com/Lxx277MVRG

11 mins ago from twitter.com by editor
==========================================

https://twitter.com/AtwaterWCVB/status/325155848148090880/photo/1

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 4:08 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 3:56 AM

I just read that comment. made me puke.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 4:09 AM

What I’m hearing now on WCVB – the two suspects did kill the officer on the M.I.T. campus, and then it was reported that they carjacked an SUV. They held the owner of the SUV hostage for about 30 minutes, then released him at a gas station. Then the whole thing moved to Watertown.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 4:10 AM

The linked article provided by sparkplug reference mental illness for Sanil.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 4:02 AM

That was really incidental. The point of the article was that he wasn’t “missing” as people usually think of it but intentionally disappeared, and yet, still had the FBI out looking for him and people feelign sad for someone who might have been abducted, which was definitely NOT the case. The whole “missing” thing was a fraud.

This was all well before the marathon attack, of course.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 4:11 AM

This was all well before the marathon attack, of course.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 4:11 AM

Yeah, but considering what has happened (if this guy is one of the terrorists) it’s too bad the FBI didn’t find him.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 4:14 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 4:11 AM

Yep.

Tin foil hat on: Was this a set up by the parents because they knew he was up to something? Tin foil hat off.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 4:15 AM

Try this again!!

@AtwaterWCVB tweeted:

A home on Dexter that police have lit up with spotlights. #WCVB pic.twitter.com/Lxx277MVRG

18 mins ago from twitter.com by editor
==========================================

https://twitter.com/AtwaterWCVB/status/325155848148090880/photo/1

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 4:15 AM

One consolation with this MA coverage is that Fox is showing a fair amount of Molly Line.

She’s yummy.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 4:16 AM

One consolation with this MA coverage is that Fox is showing a fair amount of Molly Line.

She’s yummy.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2013 at 4:16 AM

Hehe.

Police chief is making a statement on WCVB.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 4:18 AM

Tin foil hat on: Was this a set up by the parents because they knew he was up to something? Tin foil hat off.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 4:15 AM

Hmmm. They certainly must have known he was capable of some seriously sick stuff. I read somewhere that right after Tripathi disappeared himself explosives were found near Brown and detonated.

Here is one mention of it from a recent article.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 4:20 AM

http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon

Live police briefing at wcvb.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 4:22 AM

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 4:15 AM

Like maybe recruited. Disaffected youth, easy pickins for a Cell to recruit, especially considering they let other suspected terrorist run around up there. Look at Ft Hood, he was a soldier and was convinced that he needed to go on jihad, how easy would it be for a kid to be convinced he was a soldier for the cause given his background. Manson had rich kids brainwashed, so did the Weather Underground, all kinds of plausible.

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:24 AM

There appears to be confusion about whether #1 is dead.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 4:24 AM

Of course, if the Senate had passed that gun control bill, none of this would have happened! //

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 4:24 AM

On wcvb, police commissioner and other multiple sources are confirming that number 1 is dead.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 4:26 AM

#1 is dead but at the conference the cheif wouldn’t answer that directly for some reason.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 4:26 AM

WCVB-TV Boston ‏@WCVB 1m

Commissioner Ed Davis, “We believe this to be a terrorist. We believe this to be a man who’s come here to kill people”

INC on April 19, 2013 at 4:28 AM

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:24 AM

Absolutely. Hello MarshFox.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 4:29 AM

Of course, if the Senate had passed that gun control bill, none of this would have happened! //

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 4:24 AM

No bill could have stopped these Tea Party anti-tax day Republicans, Tarheel. Well, maybe NASCAR — but that’s wishful thinking, of course.

/MSM

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 4:29 AM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 4:29 AM

Why are you still up? All of you should be in bed by now, though I know the news is grim. Gotta tell you Jackie, this is why I am retiring, I can’t protect Lila from this if the keep sending me away. I knew what Boston was as soon as I saw what happened, seen too much of it in the last 12 years not too. I was with a special unit for three years, this was their specialty, can’t go further but trust me this isn’t over.

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:33 AM

Well, these guys killed a cop at M.I.T., carjacked an SUV, threw explosives out the window at pursuing police, then shot it out with police in Watertown, wounding one critically – and suspect 2 is “still” on the loose.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 4:34 AM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 4:29 AM

Wanted to thank you for the kind words the other day btw, though I would disagree with your assessment, however telling you that won’t change your mind anyway;)

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:35 AM

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:33 AM

I understand, MarshFox. I think you’re right.

I’m still up because I generally work this time of night, but with this situation unfolding I’m watching it instead.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 4:35 AM

Helluva night — helluva WEEK. I’m out guys. Later.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 4:36 AM

Later, Ben.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 4:36 AM

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:35 AM

My pleasure, and just my honest opinion. :)

And no, telling me that won’t change my mind. :)

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 4:37 AM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 4:35 AM

This will be our last duty station, last enlistment, and that will make 28 years, I think we’ve done our time, and she deserves roots and safety.

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:39 AM

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:39 AM

I agree. You’ve done more than your share, MarshFox, and so has Mrs. MarshFox, as I understand how those who support our military personnel serve and sacrifice, too.

It will be great to know that you’re home.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 4:43 AM

This will be our last duty station, last enlistment, and that will make 28 years, I think we’ve done our time, and she deserves roots and safety.

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:39 AM

28 years! God bless you sir. That’s an awfully long time for military service. Aren’t most military personnel eligible for full retirement after 20 years?

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 4:49 AM

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 4:49 AM

Thank you and they are indeed, but the war was on and they kept promoting me, I though I could impact the younger generation, maybe keep someones son or daughter alive and safe, foolish notion in someways, but anyway here I am. I just reenlisted late last year, so I will finish that out, always finish what you start that kinda thing, outdated concept but still what is a man if he doesn’t have his word.

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:56 AM

The Boston police just issued a statement asking residents to remain in their homes, not open the door to anyone except a police officer.

Some homes where the first suspect was shot have bullet holes in their homes, and there may be grenades and IED’s on their lawns as the suspects were throwing them from the vehicle before they were confronted by police.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 4:57 AM

Thank you and they are indeed, but the war was on and they kept promoting me, I though I could impact the younger generation, maybe keep someones son or daughter alive and safe, foolish notion in someways, but anyway here I am. I just reenlisted late last year, so I will finish that out, always finish what you start that kinda thing, outdated concept but still what is a man if he doesn’t have his word.

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 4:56 AM

My guess is you are being humble. I’m sure you have had a greater impact then you are willing to admit. Again, thank you and God bless you and your family.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 4:58 AM

The Boston station I am watching said that Pete Williams of NBC is reporting that these two guys have foreign military training.

Mark1971 on April 19, 2013 at 5:00 AM

Mark1971 on April 19, 2013 at 5:00 AM

Pakistan?

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 5:01 AM

Didn’t say.

Mark1971 on April 19, 2013 at 5:01 AM

Mark1971 on April 19, 2013 at 5:01 AM

Interesting, and would seem to support the idea of a cell, or at least of these two being members of a larger organization.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 5:03 AM

The Boston station I am watching said that Pete Williams of NBC is reporting that these two guys have foreign military training.

Mark1971 on April 19, 2013 at 5:00 AM

Must be one of those infamous Scandinavian Tea Party terrorist camps.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 5:05 AM

WAIT WAIT WAIT. If Sunil has been missing since march, and the FBI has been investigating his disappearance…why did they need the public’s help identifying him?

Grimpond on April 19, 2013 at 5:07 AM

A man who witnessed the SUV run through the corner and hit the police vehicle and the shooting of the first suspect in front of his home just said that the police confirmed to him that the suspects were the same ones from the Marathon bombing and as he did so he made it clear that the police told him that they had spoken to the dying suspect before he died. Sounds as if there may have been a dying confession.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 5:10 AM

WAIT WAIT WAIT. If Sunil has been missing since march, and the FBI has been investigating his disappearance…why did they need the public’s help identifying him?

Grimpond on April 19, 2013 at 5:07 AM

Case of the left hand not talking to the right? There was no name attached to the suspects pictures either. Sunil’s name has been brought up as maybe one of the suspects by private citizens as far as I know.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 5:10 AM

I would go with Pakistan, especially if he is half Indian, he could have crossed the border without much fan fair and gotten into the camp and back out. Logical conclusion, however there are too many other possibilities, unfortunately, as well.

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 5:11 AM

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 5:10 AM

That’s correct. The Boston police statement a few minutes ago made it clear that they had not released any suspects names as this is an ongoing investigation.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 5:12 AM

North and South Dakota sound real good about now!

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 5:13 AM

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 5:13 AM

Yes… or out Fred’s way. However, I have to tell you MarshFox, Oklahoma treats veterans and their families very well, indeed. There is a widespread respect for veterans. You and Mrs. MarshFox would be well served to spend a few minutes looking into what the state offers veterans and their families. :)

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 5:15 AM

Apparently, according to the local media, the MIT campus police officer who was killed was found in his car suffering multiple gun shot wounds.

The speculation as to whether or not he had identified the suspects remains unresolved.

A police officer was shot in the shootout in which the first suspect was killed. He was transported to the hospital. That police officer passed away.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 5:22 AM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 5:15 AM

Lila’s originally from MO so she is familiar with OK, and I have heard that, but unless something drastic happens, we are moving to Indiana, several reasons, but it is a safe place especially with the amount of ruralness we can inhabit. Plus, several of my compatriots are retiring there and in the close proximity of, and I am sure you can go with the inference from there;) Actually in about 4 years you will probably see one of them in Congress;)

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 5:23 AM

I just farted if anyone wanted to know…

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(sorry, goes back to sleep)

Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2013 at 5:25 AM

MarshFox on April 19, 2013 at 5:23 AM

That’s wonderful, MarshFox. :) I joyfully welcome any addition of good people to congress. We certainly need them.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 5:26 AM

I’m sorry… the deceased person at the hospital was actually the first suspect. I didn’t mean to misinform.

I was confused as one of the reporters had described seeing a police officer taken to the hospital on a stretcher and she had refused to give any information regarding his condition.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 5:29 AM

I’ve been largely out of the loop of current events, but it seems neither of the suspects from the Boston Marathon are white Americans like the LSM have been hoping. This hasn’t been a good week for the Left, has it?

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 5:43 AM

I’ve been largely out of the loop of current events, but it seems neither of the suspects from the Boston Marathon are white Americans like the LSM have been hoping. This hasn’t been a good week for the Left, has it?

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 5:43 AM

Spittle flecked Chris Matthews tonight: Tell me Toure! Isn’t this an obvious false flag operation carried out by a Tea Party terrorist group? It’s just too pat for it to be foreign terrorists! This just seems like how some Tea Party terrorist would write a movie script about so called Islamic terrorists!

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 5:50 AM

I’ve been largely out of the loop of current events, but it seems neither of the suspects from the Boston Marathon are white Americans like the LSM have been hoping. This hasn’t been a good week for the Left, has it?

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 5:43 AM

Nope, not a good week for them. A couple reports mentioned hand grenades being used when the terrorists were in flight. Wow.

What connection does the first person of interest have in all of this, if any?

dogsoldier on April 19, 2013 at 5:59 AM

Nope, not a good week for them. A couple reports mentioned hand grenades being used when the terrorists were in flight. Wow.

What connection does the first person of interest have in all of this, if any?

dogsoldier on April 19, 2013 at 5:59 AM

I’m kind of skeptical about the whole hand grenade story. Pipe bombs? Sure. We’ll find out eventually, but hand grenades are just about impossible to get outside of the military. If it was hand grenades I am interested in how they obtained them.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 6:03 AM

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 6:03 AM

If they are of middle eastern origin, they could have brought them when they came. More likely they are home made.

dogsoldier on April 19, 2013 at 6:06 AM

MIT shooting, April 18, 2013

Harvard University joins MIT, Emerson College in cancelling classes – @Harvard

1 min ago from http://www.harvard.edu by editor
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Residents west of Boston told to ‘stay home’ amid search for bomb suspect, transit shut down – @AP; more:

4 mins ago from http://www.breakingnews.com by editor
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Ex-Pakistani president General Pervez Musharraf is moved to police HQ in Islamabad, police official says – @NBCNews

7 mins ago by editor
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Boston Marathon explosion
MIT shooting, April 18, 2013

Police: ‘We believe these are the same individuals for the bombing at the Boston marathon’ – live video

10 mins ago by editor
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Boston Marathon explosion
MIT shooting, April 18, 2013

President Obama has been briefed overnight on the developing situation in Watertown, Massachusetts – @NBCNews

13 mins ago by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 6:09 AM

..and he failed.”

My goodness, if things keep going this badly, soon he’ll lose his magical powers to calm the seas and stop them from rising.

If it’s really about saving the children Obama–go to Chicago and stop the massacre of innocent black people in the hood.

How?

Confiscate the criminal element’s guns, then…..close down Margaret Sangers’ Planned Parenthood slaughterhouses.

Don L on April 19, 2013 at 6:10 AM

Good Morning Morning Crew!

WOW! What a night and morning is unfolding, I have been GLUED to the tv all nite watching this…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:13 AM

I hope they catch the bastard…
No.! Suspect is DEAD!

No. 2 is on the loose, I feel for those folks in Watertown…

I pray to God they stay safe…

I hope this bastard hasn’t taken any hostages…

Please God, let the LEO’s find him… apprehend him and let us find out the full story…

I think it was let slip that both CAME here to kill people…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:15 AM

I am sure once apprehended, the FBI will give a full report, well, all being that these bastards were not connected to a terror cell here in the US, if so we won’t get a full story…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:18 AM

I am sure once apprehended, the FBI will give a full report, well, all being that these bastards were not connected to a terror cell here in the US, if so we won’t get a full story…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:18 AM

If what we have now is accurate, and continues to buck the narrative the LSM keep trying to push, it won’t matter what the FBI puts out. The Matthews types will want to make the story go away fast as possible. The worst thing to happen would be for any remaining suspects to be captured alive and later face trial.

Liam on April 19, 2013 at 6:22 AM

@SeanKellyTV tweeted:

Bus load of SWAT dropped off entering neighborhood now in Watertown. pic.twitter.com/IVTMSoFStR

12 mins ago from twitter.com by editor

https://twitter.com/SeanKellyTV/status/325189772513538048/photo/1

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 6:24 AM

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 6:24 AM

Hey friend! You never went to bed either did you? :-)

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 6:26 AM

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