Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on April 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

[Q]uestions of why the Democratic leadership pushed a bill to the floor that ultimately fell five votes short had some whispering about poor planning. “There is going to be a lot of hindsighting,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., who represents Newtown. He didn’t count himself among the critics, though. “We had to have a vote at some point, and I think now is as good a time as any, and we’re just going to be determined and keep fighting.”…

What became clear Wednesday evening is that any momentum the gun-control movement had had in the wake of the Newtown tragedy had been stalled. Democrats remain heartened that the public overwhelmingly agrees with them on the issue of background checks. But they acknowledged that hopes for swift action have devolved into a longer legislative slog.

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Gun control advocates have told me the assault weapons ban was intended to be a bargaining chip. Ask for the moon, settle for less—in this case, universal background checks. If that was the strategy, it backfired. For most of February and March, gun advocates focused their criticisms on the assault weapons ban. They correctly observed that it outlawed guns but did nothing to keep outlaws from having guns. And they used the time to organize their base, comprised largely of gun owners who love the AR-15 and its variations. Many gun owners might have supported background checks had they not been distracted by the assault weapons issue, which caused them to distrust gun control proponents even more than before.

The proposal to ban assault weapons also led to the Senate spending precious time holding hearings on the merits of the ban. Given this proposal was going nowhere, why waste the time? If President Obama had pushed for a law only requiring universal background checks—maybe coupled with the NRA’s proposal for more funding for school security—he might have been able to persuade Congress to consider his proposals in February, when Newtown was fresher in our collective memory.

The four-month delay enabled the NRA to rally its troops—and, more importantly, its allies in Congress.

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[T]he GOP controlled House was clearly unwilling to pass serious gun control legislation. Anything that got through the Senate would have to be even further watered down in order to get through the House. The administration no doubt hoped that the vote would be a tough one for blue state Republicans and help whip up the base for 2014, but it’s hard to see a serious person being convinced that this legislative process was going to end up making substantial changes in American gun policy.

A principled senator who truly believed that his or her vote on a gun control law would make a real difference on the ground might choose to stake an entire career on one vote. But if the vote in question were more an act of symbolism and sham that real substance, the equation is very different. Is there really any point in throwing your political career away in order to give a few days’ passing satisfaction to New York Times editorial writers?

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Toomey, who threw his political weight into working with his Senate friend Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., on a compromise to expand background checks to commercial firearms sales over the Internet and at gun shows, said that for him it’s time to move on.

“I did the best I could. I wish it had passed, but the Senate has spoken and these things happen,” Toomey told The Morning Call immediately after the vote on his amendment. “It’s always worth it to do the right thing … no regrets.”

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Speaking is physically difficult for me. But my feelings are clear: I’m furious. I will not rest until we have righted the wrong these senators have done, and until we have changed our laws so we can look parents in the face and say: We are trying to keep your children safe. We cannot allow the status quo — desperately protected by the gun lobby so that they can make more money by spreading fear and misinformation — to go on.

I am asking every reasonable American to help me tell the truth about the cowardice these senators demonstrated. I am asking for mothers to stop these lawmakers at the grocery store and tell them: You’ve lost my vote. I am asking activists to unsubscribe from these senators’ e-mail lists and to stop giving them money. I’m asking citizens to go to their offices and say: You’ve disappointed me, and there will be consequences…

Mark my words: if we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress, one that puts communities’ interests ahead of the gun lobby’s. To do nothing while others are in danger is not the American way.

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In Giffords’ view, these senators are two-faced, because you cannot truly sympathize with her unless you vote for the bills she supports. But I am a little confused about the purported motivation for this perceived betrayal. Obama and Giffords both insist the senators who voted against new gun controls did so not out of conviction but out of fear—specifically, fear that they would be defeated the next time they run for re-election. If their constituents “overwhelmingly favored expanding background checks,” however, wouldn’t voting for the bill mandating those have been the politically expedient thing to do? And why is opposing the will of the majority a mark of “cowardice,” as Giffords says, rather than a mark of courage?

Furthermore, why would senators be afraid of “the gun lobby” unless they think it can sway voters against them? Isn’t that ultimately the source of the NRA’s fearsome power? But if voters are so easily manipulated, why should we be impressed by majority support for expanded background checks or any other gun control measure? I suspect that Giffords credits the majority with wisdom only when the polls are going her way, just as she credits politicians with integrity only when they agree with her.

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If this doesn’t demonstrate the limitations of the president’s political muscle and the influence of his newly minted Organizing for Action lobbying group, I don’t know what does. Yet, despite the embarrassing setback, Obama nonetheless argued that he still held the upper hand, politically: “If this Congress refuses to listen to the American people and pass commonsense gun legislation, then the real impact is going to have to come from the voters.” That couldn’t misread the political environment heading into 2014 anymore. That’s the audacity of mope.

Put simply, the 2014 Senate elections will be fought predominantly on the very turf that is most inhospitable to gun control–Southern and Mountain West conservative states. It’s no coincidence that three of the four Democrats who opposed the Toomey-Manchin bill are facing difficult reelections in 2014 and presumably are attuned to the sentiments of their constituents. Blame the National Rifle Association for the bill’s failure, but the lobby is feeding into already deeply held opposition to gun regulations and a broader sense of anxiety about the president’s and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s intentions–particularly given the president’s past publicized remark about “bitter” rural voters who “cling to their guns and religion.” It doesn’t take much for the gun-rights crowd, significant in these states, to jump to inaccurate conclusions given that history.

And how do the White House or allied groups plan on punishing gun-control opponents? The notion of challenging the Second Amendment Democrats is as fanciful as it is self-defeating. Democratic primary voters in the deep South have significantly different views on gun rights than their coastal counterparts. Even if they support expanded background checks, the chance of landing a candidate running a one-issue campaign against brand-name Democrats like Mark Pryor and Mark Begich defies common sense.

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What was so extraordinary about the president’s performance yesterday is that this is the version of himself he’s always tried to keep under wraps. He made his career on sounding reasonable, positioning himself as the middle between two extremes, pretending to afford respect for the arguments of his opponents, and never, ever showing anger. You always knew this was all a pose, but he never fully let loose until yesterday when he vented his rage at and his contempt for his opponents, and after a defeat in the most traditional of all liberal causes, gun control. It’s amazing how he believes that everyone else in Washington engages in politics except for him, even though the way he reacted after Newtown was textbook political exploitation of a tragedy–using the victims and their families to the maximum extent possible and pursuing policy goals that he’d always favored but that wouldn’t have prevented the shooting. In his own mind, he’s the brave and sincere one, and everyone opposed to him is an insincere coward. We already knew all of this about him, but it was revealing all the same.

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On the surface it was about the shellacking gun control laws took in the Senate. Make no mistake: while this was a policy loss for Obama, it was also much, much more.

It was the moment the bully gets popped in the nose, and the unexpected sensation of shock and pain leaves him aghast. It was the moment, to use a rather apropos analogy, the mugger finds himself starting down the black void of a .45 barrel in the fist of his intended victim.

It was shock that the glowing, constant press coverage, the lockstep drumbeat on the nation’s editorial pages, the hectoring, lecturing rants from Joe Scarborough and Piers Morgan et al., the Bloomberg TV ads featuring the families of Newtown, the vaunted OFA operation’s push, and all the personal phone calls from President Charm Offensive himself couldn’t move the votes.

And that enraged Obama. His sense that he is uniquely persuasive and that once he “takes it to the people” the argument is over, was directly challenged, and he failed.

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Via Mediaite.


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canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Yes Boston TV recapping…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Uh oh jinxed… lol

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Just ordered cell ph’s off for police and media could cause detonation of undetonated explosives!

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

****Getting ready to shut-down the CELL Phone Service *********

Scanner: Police told to power down cellphones following reports of explosive devices, shooting in Watertown – Boston Globe’s @Billy_Baker

34 secs ago by editor

Photo: Police at the scene of incident in Watertown, Massachusetts – @7News

5 mins ago from pic.twitter.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/
=============================

https://twitter.com/WCVB

https://twitter.com/Suntimes

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Also, if they find the QotD,
They’ll leave right away :)

———–
Sophie, I noticed that you combined a few threads, from what you posted earlier. Not to worry about a thing. Your work is much appreciated.

Pls. consider adding Adam Gadahn to the muzzies who’re not dark types list…or not.

Axe, you’re so clever.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

I

think that trail went cold. Incompetence or something worse, or both…I hope to be wrong.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 1:15 AM

They have one guy in custody, the other was on the ground but not in custody yet. According to the boston police feed all their forces were out in this operation. This isn’t an ordinary law enforcement incident.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Where did everyone go?

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

arnold ziffel on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 AM

As QOTD was posted, right above it was a food truck thread, moments later it was gone…

We are devastated…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Glad to know I’m not losing my mind. I like cooking and the food truck show on TV. I read the blood and guts stuff and about Marco Bonio and went looking for something lighter and it got jacked by them muzzies.

arnold ziffel on April 19, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Complacency is what got us two terms of Obama.

John the Libertarian on April 19, 2013 at 12:40 AM

It was stupidity, utter stupidity. The majority of the populace in the USA are absolutely stupid.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Sounds like they got the bad guys…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Looks like live tv now in Boston Waterown…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Oh, Fox News is finally reporting on whats going on in Boston right now.

Punchenko on April 19, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Ziff has been cleared. We are still questioning Dire tho.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:14 AM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on April 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

FNC now has a breaking news report about the chaos tonite in Boston, officers down, hand grenades, etc.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Robots being called in to deal with explosives … geez

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM

canopfor on April 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Good evening..Thanks for the updates..:)

Dire Straits on April 19, 2013 at 1:28 AM

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Yeah they referenced unexploded IEDs earlier…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Speculating a possible link to Bombing on Fox news… by person on phone…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:29 AM

This started when a police officer was shot on the campus of M.I.T.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM

jimver, that’s good. May they be tried/fried quickly.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Yes it did…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

I have my windows open in the back of my condo and I can still hear sirens screaming in the distance, coming from the direction of Cambridge.

(Oh, and, I’m delighted you lost on a foolish, impotent and un-constitional gun control legislation, President Obama.)

dpduq on April 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Seems they are still looking for someone else…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

jimver, the custody not being reported, yet.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Scrumpy…

I put a couple of links for you a couple of pages back…

vis a vis mags.

Solaratov on April 19, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Suspect in custody told to fully remove clothes before forced into police vehicle.

CNN photojournalist Gabe Ramirez: “resembled suspect 1″, “fully undressed led into police vehicle”.

aquaviva on April 19, 2013 at 1:33 AM

dpduq on April 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Activity is in or near Auburn and vicinity Watertown

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:33 AM

jimver, that’s good. May they be tried/fried quickly.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM

One still at large, armed and dangerous, a police officer was heard shouting that in the boston police feed.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Good night barbarians

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM

http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon

Direct from the scene

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Yeah, this is live on-the-scene coverage from local channel 5.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Solaratov on April 19, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Thank you! I did save them thought I thanked you back there, sorry!

Too much going on… :-)

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Good night Schad and God Bless!!

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Loud explosion heard! People asked to move…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Boom not explosion…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Somebody finally woke up Jake Tapper.

Mark1971 on April 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM

I’ll bet this started when an M.I.T. cop spotted one of the bombers. But I’m just speculating. But DHS has gotten involved, so this sounds pretty major.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Yes DHS was mentioned as being there…

The Boston live feed is better than whats on Fox…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:40 AM

Recapping on Boston live feed

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:40 AM

Yes, it’s much better.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Cops not sure now if they have 2nd perp in custody!

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Backpacks left on laurel st. Bomb squad is out #mit #mitshooting #boston pic.twitter.com/0A3Mjmshkz

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Arrest being made!

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Arrest being made right now. Friend of someone already arrested.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM

Wow…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Cops not sure now if they have 2nd perp in custody!

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:42 AM

They treat the whole situation as if one is still at large.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Person arrested claims that his friend was merely arrested just because he had a backpack on. Cripes.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Jake Tapper is now live on the scene on CNN.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Gawd the reporters on the scene are absolute IDIOTS.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Multi-tasking not working!!

Turned off Fox… listening to live feed…

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Person arrested claims that his friend was merely arrested just because he had a backpack on. Cripes.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Yeah, cops go a little nuts when there are officers down.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Just put on CNN… thanks!

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Going thru time line on live boston feed stated at 10.30pm EST

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Yeah, CNN is getting a feed from local channel 7 which is pretty good.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:49 AM

CNN live coverage still seems very active

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:50 AM

10:30 MIT office er shot and killed

11:15 sitatyion escalated in search for suspect

12:30 reports of car jacking memorial drive at mobil and shell gas staion

two armed mideast men car jacked kidnapped someone.

Race to watertown car chase, explosives thrown from car.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:50 AM

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Thanks Sparky I can’t type that fast :-)

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:52 AM

All this can’t be just a coincidence. It MUST be related to the bombing.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Bomb squad had detonated explosives on the road.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Some of these police are the ones who “acted stupidly”

Mark1971 on April 19, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Signing off… Gonna follow on TV

God Bless and Good Night all!!

* swoosh *

Scrumpy on April 19, 2013 at 1:54 AM

All this can’t be just a coincidence. It MUST be related to the bombing.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Sure seems that way.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:55 AM

cya. What a week it’s been!

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:55 AM

It was a Mercedes SUV that was hijacked.

Bomb robots are on laurel. There are undetonated bombs

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM

One cuffed arrested person has been released.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:58 AM

They’re downplaying any connection to the Boston Bombing, but these guys who kill a cop on M.I.T., hijack a vehicle, just “happen” to also have explosives?

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 2:06 AM

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Are they still looking for the second one?

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 2:07 AM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 2:07 AM

yes.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:08 AM

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Apparently they eere Mideastern too. And they were leaving undetonated bombs on the road.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Are they still looking for the second one?

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 2:07 AM

I think so because there two initially on M.I.T. campus. There was one guy they picked up who was only wearing a backpack. I think they released him.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 2:09 AM

In my estimation these perps have had training. They were not amateurs.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:09 AM

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:09 AM

So… I’ll ask… were they students at MIT and if so, are they Americans or are they there on a student visa? Any word yet on the identity of the one in custody?

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM

All this can’t be just a coincidence. It MUST be related to the bombing.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Sure seems that way.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 1:55 AM

Yet ABC insists there’s no connection between tonight ‘incidents’ and the marathon bombing…

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM

No clue if they were students, but I did hear a report of two middle eastern men.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 2:11 AM

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM

Gee… talk about speculation! How would ABC know… when even the police don’t know that yet.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 2:11 AM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM

The guy who resembled #1 was stripped of all clothing was taken away. Both HJers were mideast as was reported during the car jacking. They took a SUV from as gas station

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:12 AM

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:12 AM

I don’t blame the police a bit for stripping him, after the underwear bomber and the shoe bomber.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2013 at 2:13 AM

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM

So how often do grenades get thrown around greater Boston? Jeebus.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:14 AM

What would be the point of committing a carjacking if these are the bombers? I would think they would want to lay low and be as inconspicuous as possible.

Mark1971 on April 19, 2013 at 2:14 AM

Benjamin O’Keefe ?@benjaminokeefe 20m #MIT in #Boston #BREAKING Police have said on encrypted private radio that at least one suspect is directly linked to the Marathon Bombi

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:15 AM

Mark1971 on April 19, 2013 at 2:14 AM

Well, this started on the campus of M.I.T. where a campus cop was shot and killed. Apparently the suspects hijacked an SUV to get away and wound up in Watertown. So, it’s possible the M.I.T. cop recognized the guys? I don’t know.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 2:16 AM

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:15 AM

Have no idea if this is true.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:17 AM

OK. That makes sense.

Mark1971 on April 19, 2013 at 2:18 AM

So, it’s possible the M.I.T. cop recognized the guys? I don’t know.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 2:16 AM

Yes that is my understanding also.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Infrared snipers moving in.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:20 AM

Infrared snipers moving in.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:20 AM

where are you getting your info from?

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 2:22 AM

nonpartisan on April 19, 2013 at 2:22 AM

http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon?Page=0

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:22 AM

A few other things here:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/18/Boston-Police-Scanner-Massive-Shootout

UPDATE (2:18 AM EDT): Officer asks on scanner whether the suspects used hand guns or “long guns.” Responding officer: “definitely long guns.”

UPDATE (2:15 AM EDT): A Boston videographer shows the National Guard is now active in Watertown.

INC on April 19, 2013 at 2:23 AM

Black Hijacked Mercedes Ran through Police baracade, police fired 100 rounds.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:24 AM

Ammonium nitrate or what?

arnold ziffel on April 19, 2013 at 12:33 AM

It caught a bad case of Bacillus transmutatium.

chemman on April 19, 2013 at 2:25 AM

@bostonglobe

One Marathon bombing suspect has been caught, and another is on the loose in Watertown after a firefight with police, officials said.

r keller on April 19, 2013 at 2:25 AM

UPDATE (2:18 AM EDT): Officer asks on scanner whether the suspects used hand guns or “long guns.” Responding officer: “definitely long guns.”

INC on April 19, 2013 at 2:23 AM

Yep.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:26 AM

so i guess the pix flushed the punks out…

one officer dead

r keller on April 19, 2013 at 2:27 AM

We know one campus police officer was shot and killed on the M.I.T. campus. The suspects hijacked an SUV and fled to Watertown. They apparently had hand grenades.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 2:28 AM

Boston Globe:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/18/mit-police-officer-hit-gunfire-cambridge-police-dispatcher-says/4UeCClOVeLr8PHLvDa99zK/story.html

One marathon suspect has been captured, according to an official with knowledge of the investigation.

Another remains on the loose in Watertown after a firefight with police. Authorities have established a 20-block perimeter as they search for him.

INC on April 19, 2013 at 2:29 AM

They apparently had hand grenades.

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 2:28 AM

If they were grenades then they were for another operation, not for running away from police.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 19, 2013 at 2:30 AM

INC on April 19, 2013 at 2:29 AM

So the Globe says the suspect in custody is definitely a marathon bombing suspect?

TarheelBen on April 19, 2013 at 2:31 AM

Bottom line. These perps have had training.

SparkPlug on April 19, 2013 at 2:31 AM

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