Open thread: FBI press conference on Boston bombings; Update: Photos and video added; Update: Do cops have the names? Update: New pic discovered?

posted at 4:41 pm on April 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

5 p.m. ET, all across the dial. The feds announced this morning that they’re planning to release images of the two suspects from the surveillance video sometime today. Presumably that means at the presser itself or shortly before or after; once they’re online, they’ll be posted below. A key detail via the Globe: “The official said that the two suspects were seen separately on videotape — one at each of the two bombing sites, which are located about a block apart.” That’s one thing that bothered me about the people being scrutinized in the Reddit photos. In at least two cases, the two “suspects” were standing right next to each other, conversing. If you and a partner were looking to bomb something and not get caught, rule one would/should be to avoid each other at the site itself so as not to make things easier for the cops later, right?

Speaking of which, the two guys I wrote about this morning (“White Cap” and “Track Suit”) have now been cleared by police. Track Suit turns out to be a 17-year-old kid who’s into running. That’s why he was at the marathon. While we wait for the FBI, here’s a recap in chart form of yesterday’s media meltdown over whether anyone had been arrested. Stand by for updates.

Update: Steve Emerson told Sean Hannity last night that ICE is planning to deport the Saudi national whom cops initially investigated as a person of interest in the bombing, then cleared. Per the Blaze, Emerson said it was on “national security grounds.” Other sources confirmed Emerson’s claim for the Blaze and basically allege that something suspicious is going on, not just with the Saudi but with his associates. But an ICE official told BuzzFeed this afternoon that it’s not true: The Saudi in the hospital isn’t being deported, a different Saudi national is. And that guy supposedly has nothing to do with the bombing. The Blaze later updated to note that its sources now say ICE has reconsidered and might not deport the Saudi in the hospital. How much of this is true and whether it has anything to do with the bombing is unclear at the moment, but there you go.

Update: Yep, images on the way.

Update: Fox Boston has one of the photos that the FBI’s planning to release at 5. All I can make out is the backwards white cap and the fact that the guy appears to be standing near a mailbox, possibly the same one that was seen in those photos released yesterday of a mysterious bag. If you’ve seen that guy in any of the hundreds of marathon photos floating around online, e-mail us.

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Update: The FBI’s posted multiple photos of the two suspects at its website. To my surprise, the two were together — but maybe not obviously “together” judging from the surveillance footage. The guy in the white cap, at least, looks very young, possibly even a teenager. I don’t remember them from any of the online photos I looked at yesterday but the black cap worn by the second suspect does look vaguely familiar.

Neither one drops a bag so there must be other video they’re not releasing yet.

Update: Here’s one that caught my eye a few days ago. This isn’t Black Cap, isn’t it? The pants, coat, and bag all look sort of right, but the hat seems lighter in this pic than in the vid. And there’s no white shirt here.

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Update: Silly mistake on my part: Ed points out via e-mail that this pic was taken after the blast, per the broken window on the right. Unless Black Cap was hanging out close by, which would be nutty, that’s not him.

Update: Someone in Reddit’s thread on this notes, apparently correctly, that Black Cap is wearing a Bridgestone golf cap.

Update: What’s that symbol on the side of White Cap’s hat? It looks like a “T” but with the right side of the letter lighter than the left side.

Update: More from the Reddit thread: White Cap might be wearing a Polo hat.

It doesn’t look like a “3″ in the side-view photo but it does in the slightly overhead surveillance video. Maybe it’s the number “7″ instead?

Update: Sure looks like a Reddit user inadvertently caught Black Cap on film — from the back, alas.

Update: From CBS:

CBS News correspondent John Miller explained why these two people are believed by the FBI to be possible suspects: “They have other video, including the one Orr referenced, where they believe they actually have on tape one of the suspects in the white baseball cap putting the bomb down in front of the Starbucks at the second location. But reason they selected the pictures we’re seeing here is they wanted to find the pictures that didn’t have the most sinister activity but the pictures that gave people the best chance of recognizing them.”

Update: Big news, if true:

Update: Some Reddit users think this pic is photoshopped but it looks legit to me. You’ve got White Cap on the far left, leaving the scene of the bombing — and there, behind him next to the lady in the pink coat, appears to be Black Cap. First fair look we’ve gotten at his face.

Update: Actually, is that Black Cap in the last pic? It’s definitely White Cap — and I don’t see his backpack, post-blast — but the white part on Black Cap’s hat might not match up to the hat in the FBI photos.

Why were these guys in close proximity after the bombings? Didn’t they plant them a block or so apart?


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Definitely looks like a Islamic terrorist attack:

Boston.com News @BostonDotCom

RT @ap: BREAKING: AP sources: Boston bomb suspects from Russia region near Chechnya, lived in US at least 1 year. -SS

Viator on April 19, 2013 at 6:48 AM

farsighted on April 19, 2013 at 6:42 AM

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 6:46 AM

And they could just be stupid. Young, egotistical, proud of their evil deeds, felt invincible, couldn’t plan any farther than self-gratification after the Bombing…smug, stupid, cruel.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Suspect #1 on loose, reportedly Sunil Tripathi the Brown University student who disappeared several weeks ago — NOT confirmed. Is the suspect on the loose Sunil Tripathi?

Viator on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM

All I can say is that the citizens of Watertown who are holed up in their homes while a desperate, armed terrorist roams their neighborhood better not have any magazines holding more than 10 rounds, because – you know – nobody needs more than 10 rounds.

Logic on April 19, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Chechnyans?

Shy Guy on April 19, 2013 at 6:51 AM

So they were still in the area over three days later, within a couple of miles of the site of the bombing. They were heavily armed and had more bombs and explosives in their possession.

It doesn’t sound like they were planning to or wanted to get away. It sounds more like they were planning at least one more more attack.

Really, really stupid to stay in the vicinity. They should have been someplace far away by the night of the attack.

But the AQ connection makes it a bit more understandable. Nondescript-looking operatives legally in the US are pretty valuable.

Clearly they didn’t plan on all the photo-evidence that could be collected to ID them.

LagunaDave on April 19, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Suspect #1 on loose, reportedly Sunil Tripathi the Brown University student who disappeared several weeks ago — NOT confirmed. Is the suspect on the loose Sunil Tripathi?

Viator on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Boston PD and a lot of internet chatter making that assumption, conclusion but there’s contradicting information from NBC…

WAIT, FOX just announced White Hat, #2 ID and it’s NOT Sunil.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Suspect #1 on loose, reportedly Sunil Tripathi the Brown University student who disappeared several weeks ago — NOT confirmed. Is the suspect on the loose Sunil Tripathi?

Viator on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM

FOX just said FBI released suspect 2′s name and it is not Sunil. Don’t ask me to spell it. Also saying that both suspects are brothers.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, from Cambridge is the suspect on the run.

SnarkVader on April 19, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Jokar Sarnayev is the white hat guys name. Don’t know if that’s the right spelling or not.

supernal on April 19, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Definitely looks like a Islamic terrorist attack:

Boston.com News @BostonDotCom

RT @ap: BREAKING: AP sources: Boston bomb suspects from Russia region near Chechnya, lived in US at least 1 year. -SS

Viator on April 19, 2013 at 6:48 AM

how long till the MSM de-emphasize and play down their Muslim connection and tout heir white male Russian heritage :)

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Yes, it looks like ethnic Chechens. I don’t know that it’s confirmed that they are from Chechen proper or not.

forest on April 19, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Suspect #1 on loose, reportedly Sunil Tripathi the Brown University student who disappeared several weeks ago — NOT confirmed. Is the suspect on the loose Sunil Tripathi?

Viator on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Nope.

They just announced his named (something like Dzhokar Sarnyev, might have spelling wrong). A 19 year old from Chechnya.

PetecminMd on April 19, 2013 at 6:53 AM

FOX is announcing #1 and #2 are/were brothers.

Guy still living, on the run, #2 is named:

Jokahr Sorniyove (sounds like, no idea how it’s spelled), Chechyan.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 6:54 AM

I was way off.

supernal on April 19, 2013 at 6:54 AM

Suspect #1 on loose, reportedly Sunil Tripathi the Brown University student who disappeared several weeks ago — NOT confirmed. Is the suspect on the loose Sunil Tripathi?

Viator on April 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM

They confirmed it then un-confirmed about ten times during the night. His name first showed on the police scanner, possibly that people speculated from there. But his name clearly popped up during the night reporting.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 6:55 AM

I was way off.

supernal on April 19, 2013 at 6:54 AM

…is allowed. No one’s right all the time, we all make assertions sometimes that don’t pan out.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 6:56 AM

It’s a good thing you don’t have to correctly pronounce an arrested suspect’s name when reading him his Miranda rights.

Livestream reporting

Shy Guy on April 19, 2013 at 6:57 AM

PetecminMd on April 19, 2013 at 6:53 AM

By way of Pakistan I suspect…

And yeah, I will go there…

CPT. Charles on April 19, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Nope.

They just announced his named (something like Dzhokar Sarnyev, might have spelling wrong). A 19 year old from Chechnya.

PetecminMd on April 19, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Those diabolical Teabaggers, recruiting their operatives all the way from Chechnya! Will their evil know no bounds?!?!

Vyce on April 19, 2013 at 6:58 AM

WaPo says AP is reporting “white cap” is Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass. Not the missing Brown U. kid.

JimLennon on April 19, 2013 at 6:58 AM

They just announced his named (something like Dzhokar Sarnyev, might have spelling wrong). A 19 year old from Chechnya.

PetecminMd on April 19, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Morning Joe and all those hoping to find a right-winger Tea Party radical hardest hit.

Personally, I’m hoping they overstayed their student visas or something to add fire to the amnesty grab about to start. If we can’t control our borders to the point that folks can come in and blow Americans up, how can we expect secure borders to our south and any reasonable expectation that the amnesty give away won’t trigger a stampede of illegals into this nation?

Happy Nomad on April 19, 2013 at 6:59 AM

Matt Drudge must have got his coffee and is getting his groove on.

dddave on April 19, 2013 at 6:59 AM

Cracks me up that the media are saying #2 is “from Cambridge”.

LagunaDave on April 19, 2013 at 6:59 AM

AP: Surviving Boston bomb suspect identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 6:58 AM

Wow. I bet his nickname is “Bubba” and he has truck balls on his pickup truck just below his NRA membership sticker.

NotCoach on April 19, 2013 at 7:00 AM

Matt Drudge must have got his coffee and is getting his groove on.

dddave on April 19, 2013 at 6:59 AM

About time, he’s got his beauty sleep :)

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 7:00 AM

Boston Bombers from Chechnya which means…oh, here it comes…they’re CAUCASIAN.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Chechnyans?

Shy Guy on April 19, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Affirmative according to all the reporting I’ve seen.

They are brothers.

farsighted on April 19, 2013 at 7:02 AM

If they are Chechen, I wonder if Russia helped ID them.

JimLennon on April 19, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Cracks me up that the media are saying #2 is “from Cambridge”.

LagunaDave on April 19, 2013 at 6:59 AM

Of course, anything but ‘foreign’ or ‘Muslim’.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 7:03 AM

I was way off.

supernal on April 19, 2013 at 6:54 AM

…is allowed. No one’s right all the time, we all make assertions sometimes that don’t pan out.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 6:56 AM

I was referring to my spelling of the guy’s name. I personally didn’t think the pics matched up well with those of missing Brown student.

supernal on April 19, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Boston Bombers from Chechnya which means…oh, here it comes…they’re CAUCASIAN.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 7:01 AM

I would toss the ball back in the other court and describe them as Middle-Nowherean.

Shy Guy on April 19, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Boston Bombers from Chechnya which means…oh, here it comes…they’re CAUCASIAN.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 7:01 AM

What is it about those Caucasus Mountains that produces such men?

/sarc

JimLennon on April 19, 2013 at 7:05 AM

Safe to say that David Sirota is going to have a VERY bad day.
He deserves all that he gets.

Jabberwock on April 19, 2013 at 7:06 AM

WAPO just can’t handle that the internet works to better inform more people quicker and faster than WAPO would prefer…

WASH POST: Drawbacks to Internet sleuthing…

Things get confused, misstated and wrongly alleged but the truth eventually gets around to most and that’s how the internet works while Leftmedia still primps it’s ‘hair’.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 7:06 AM

A WHITE MALE.

Dems/liberals win big.

gumbyandpokey on April 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Oh Gumby! Hey Gumby! C’m here, boy!

bigmacdaddy on April 19, 2013 at 7:06 AM

Boston Bombers from Chechnya which means…oh, here it comes…they’re CAUCASIAN.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 7:01 AM

I would toss the ball back in the other court and describe them as Middle-Nowherean.

Shy Guy on April 19, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Hahahaha…Middle-Nowherean.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM

This is probably what you’re going to hear: Americans of Chechnya origin, or Chechnya refugees, not a word about the religion of peace.The average American probably has no idea where Chechenia is or that its population is Muslim.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM

Muslim Chechens have been fighting at all the hot spots around the world. And then there is their war in Russian and the Caucasus, long and brutal. These guys look like they were chosen to blend as college students. Fit right in in Boston.

Viator on April 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM

Chechenian that is

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 7:08 AM

Boston Bombers from Chechnya which means…oh, here it comes…they’re CAUCASIAN.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 7:01 AM

What is it about those Caucasus Mountains that produces such men?

/sarc

JimLennon on April 19, 2013 at 7:05 AM

Didn’t Vlad the Impaler and Dracula come from thereabouts in Middle-Nowhereistan, too?

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 7:08 AM

Ed’s rooster went off.
New thread.

RovesChins on April 19, 2013 at 7:09 AM

a sample headline

“Chechen Fighters Flock to Syria to Join ‘Jihad’
Leaders Eye Islamist State Within Syria as Goal of War”

“A former Guantanamo detainee named Slimane Hadj Abderrahmane has reportedly been killed while fighting in Syria….But after he left Guantanamo in 2004, Abderrahmane announced that the agreement was the equivalent of “toilet paper.” Citing Abderrahmane’s appearance on Danish television, BBC News reported that the ex-Gitmo detainee promised to “try to find a way to Chechnya.”

Viator on April 19, 2013 at 7:11 AM

I was way off.

supernal on April 19, 2013 at 6:54 AM

…is allowed. No one’s right all the time, we all make assertions sometimes that don’t pan out.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 6:56 AM

I was referring to my spelling of the guy’s name. I personally didn’t think the pics matched up well with those of missing Brown student.

supernal on April 19, 2013 at 7:03 AM

See how things work out?

Now *I* was way off. Karma, circle of life, big wheel keeps on turnin’.

I am now past needing sleep and into not wanting to make much sense anymore.

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 7:12 AM

Didn’t Vlad the Impaler and Dracula come from thereabouts in Middle-Nowhereistan, too?

Lourdes on April 19, 2013 at 7:08 AM

Nope, the Carpathians mountains.

jimver on April 19, 2013 at 7:12 AM

Leftists are so enamoured with the ‘European Model’ .. until it sinks some teeth in their backside. or something.

/.

CaveatEmpty on April 19, 2013 at 7:17 AM

One last thought:

The saddest part is, unlike our opportunistic liar lester, I think libfreeordie actually believes what he writes.
 
rogerb on April 18, 2013 at 11:13 PM

 
Oooh! Passive aggressive stalking! You should really see a psychiatrist. Selective memory loss and copy-paste OCD must be taking too big a toll you’re developing new symptoms.
 
Speaking of beliefs, since you firmly believe gang violence in Chicago is non-existent, you’re in no place to talk about other people’s beliefs.
 
lester on April 18, 2013 at 11:30 PM

 
O_o
 
Yikes.
 
I just feel sorry for you now. You can’t even troll well.
 

Homicides in Chicago: 1990-2010

PS: Almost all of that is gang on gang violence.
 
lester on July 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM

 

Math is hard. Chicago Police Department’s 2009 Annual Report
 

Murders, Causal factors, Gang related:
2008- 44.6%
2009- 34.3%

 

Lester’s “Almost all” = Significantly less than half…
 
rogerb on July 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM
 
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2012/07/24/its-fear-thats-driving-opposition-to-gun-control/comment-page-2/#comment-2029152

 
Worse is that, in your effort, you prompt posts (you really named Chicago on purpose?) where you look even more uninformed than usual. And that’s quite an achievement.
 
Helpful hint: You want to do that to the other guy.
 
I stand corrected, however, in that maybe you believe what you write, too. Unfortunately that presents it’s own problems. See above.
 
Thanks for definitively clearing up the bit about me, though. I didn’t expect that.

rogerb on April 19, 2013 at 7:29 AM

Police have surrounded relatives home located in the people’s republic of Montgomery County, Md.
Holder and other BO mouth pieces headed to White House to work out details on how to spin the perps were not connected to radical Islam…as a side note the Montgomery CountyPD in MD is the most PC in the nation.

SANTA on April 19, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Speaking of beliefs, since you firmly believe gang violence in Chicago is non-existent, you’re in no place to talk about other people’s beliefs.
 
lester on April 18, 2013 at 11:30 PM

 

O_o
 
Yikes.
 
I just feel sorry for you now. You can’t even troll well…
 
Worse is that, in your effort, you prompt posts (you really named Chicago on purpose?) where you look even more uninformed than usual. And that’s quite an achievement…
 
Thanks for definitively clearing up the bit about me, though. I didn’t expect that.
 
rogerb on April 19, 2013 at 7:29 AM

 
lester, this exchange really has bothered me. To the point that I’m going to start agreeing with you when I see you’ve posted on a thread just so you know what it feels like to have people say, “What an insightful post. That lester sure is a bright guy, and he’s 100% right about that topic.”
 
And I need to say I’m sorry. I laughed at you often, and I intentionally made people laugh at you often, in the past. That was before I saw that you are doing your best and really trying hard to be like the rest of us.
 
It was mean of me to joke around thinking you had the same abilities and were at the same level as most other posters, but I didn’t know and, like I said, I apologize.
 
You’ve got a friend in me from here on out.

rogerb on April 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

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