Manchin: I’m not done with universal background checks

posted at 12:41 pm on April 18, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

In the wake of perhaps the worst political failure of Barack Obama’s term short of his 2010 midterm loss, the President vowed to continue to push forward on gun-control measures, especially background checks.  One of the lead Senators on that effort appeared on MSNBC’s Morning Joe to insist that the fight isn’t over.  Joe Manchin insisted that he could convince enough of his colleagues to flip on the background checks, at least:

The public face of a failed amendment to expand background checks for gun purchases promised to continue pushing his legislation Thursday, saying he’ll work with skittish Democrats who voted against the bill.

“We’re gonna pass this,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) told gun-control-backing MSNBC host Joe Scarborough on “Morning Joe.” “Don’t you give up. Don’t you give up.”

“These are good people,” Manchin said of other conservative Democrats who opposed the legislation. “I’ve got to sit down. There’s more work I’ve got to do. I’ve got to sit down and work with my colleagues. Heidi Heitkamp is my friend. I’m just so tickled to death she is there. I got to get Heidi comfortable so the people in North Dakota know how good she is and what we can do to make her feel comfortable that we represented the people. … I’m not going to allow a criminal or an Al Qaeda terrorist to be able to go to the gun show like he advertised to pick up guns but if there is some language that is uncomfortable, I’ve got to work harder to make them comfortable. … If the NRA didn’t score this, we would’ve had 15 more votes.

That comes as news to Manchin’s partner on background checks.  Pat Toomey told a local Allentown reporter that he had had enough, and plans on returning to fiscal issues:

The two senators behind a failed agreement to expand background checks on gun purchases appeared headed in different directions Thursday after the Republican half of the duo said he was ready to move on.

“We have a lot of other issues we have to deal with,” Pennsylvania GOP Sen. Pat Toomey told the Allentown Morning Call. “Chief among them is getting our fiscal house in order. I’ll be getting back to that.” …

Despite his desire to return to his signature economic issues, Toomey said he doesn’t regret working with Manchin on the bill.

“I did the best I could. I wish it had passed, but the Senate has spoken and these things happen,” he told the paper. “It’s always worth it to do the right thing … no regrets.”

The likelihood of this coming back up in the Senate is slim, approaching zero.  First, Manchin would have to get Toomey back on board, and rewrite the bill to make it work.  That means another round of legislative process just to get it to a vote — which would take a few weeks to a few months.  That would put the bill in clear sight of the 2014 election cycle, which means that the red-state Democrats who passed on it the first time will be even less likely to climb on board.

Failure in this case matters greatly, too.  The fact that the Senate didn’t pass it the first time means that incumbent Senators are not going to be inclined to expose themselves to political risk a second time, not without assurances that they can claim some sort of success as a balance to the damage they will take over it.  And with the House clearly uninterested in taking up anything passed by the Senate on this topic — especially after the flop yesterday, and even more especially on the fact that Obama could only get 40 votes for his assault-weapons ban — most Senators will be looking for other issues to address.

And as Gallup reminded us this week, 96% of Americans think there are more pressing issues than guns.

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‘In fact, as Joe Manchin, the author of the bill, said yesterday, anybody that suggested that private gun sales, individual sales from one person to another, a family member or another, a friend to another, would be outlawed or would have to even go through this sort of check is lying.’

- Joe Scarborough this morning

Riiiight, Joe, ‘cuz, like, um, the so-called ‘gun show loophole,’ which allows individuals to sell to other individuals at a gun show without a background check, wasn’t the WHOLE POINT of Schu-Man-Too’s ‘gun show loophole closure.’

Most sales at gun shows are between dealers and individuals AND ARE ALREADY SUBJECT TO BACKGROUND CHECKS. The ONLY sales at gun shows that are not subject to background checks ARE those between individuals.

So, Joe, who’s the liar???

Evidently, it’s you and Manchin.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM

“I’ve got to sit down. There’s more work I’ve got to do. I’ve got to sit down and work with my colleagues.”

Read: Let the bribery begin!

squint on April 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Of course you aren’t done. You won’t be until you’ve succeeded in disarming law abiding citizens who may be a real threat to your objectives. Or, better yet, you and your ilk are run out of office and then we’re done with you and your continual attacks on our Constitutional rights.

Why doncha start small and disarm inner city thugs first. See how that goes for ya.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Manchin: I’m not done with universal background checks

AAAAWWWWWWW.

Good for you Joey….now that you look like an
Effing idiot.

ToddPA on April 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Toomey=too soon old, too late smart. He should have known better.

Manchin=too soon old, too soon dumb. He is proving this by doubling down and pledging to go forward with this stupid agenda. The 2nd amendment is very clear and these present day legislators want to establish a new way to do away with an amendment. If they want to do that there is a prescribed procedure and they know it!

Pardonme on April 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Hopefully the People of West Virginia will put an end to YOU, Joe.

I work in West Virginia. And that’s the talk around the office that Manchin has just talked his way out of the Senate.

wildcat72 on April 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

So, Toomey gets credit for trying in a blue state, the president’s been utterly humiliated, and gun laws haven’t changed in the slightest.

Are the RINO hunters going to put away their shotguns now?

KingGold on April 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Ego

rhombus on April 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

The scumbag that he is and the scumhag Feinstein should spontaneously combust, for dereliction of their oaths.

Go to Hades, both of you.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

They are all focused like lasers on jobs, jobs, jobs…

d1carter on April 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

“I’ve got to sit down. There’s more work I’ve got to do. I’ve got to sit down and work with my colleagues.”

Read: Let the bribery begin!

squint on April 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I read an article by a Prog, who was bitterly disappointed after yesterday’s vote, (can’t remember who it was, but will look). He said one of the main reasons that Schu-Man-Too failed, along with other gun control measures, was that the government is too broke and Democrats can’t bribe their reluctant members or the Republicans with a post office or sumthin’.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

The scumbag that he is and the scumhag Feinstein should spontaneously combust, for dereliction of their oaths.

Go to Hades, both of you.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Joe Manchin is proof that there is only one kind of democrat: Marxist.

No matter what masks or makeup they put on.

wildcat72 on April 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

No, Manchin. You’re done.

You fellow Senators felt a backlash from us average Americans, that made Hurricane Katrina felling like on of those battery-operated “personal fans”.

Shuddup and go away. Your 15 minutes are over with.

kingsjester on April 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

I’m not going to allow a criminal or an Al Qaeda terrorist to be able to go to the gun show like he advertised to pick up guns

Talk about doubling-down on stupid. Is this really what the people in his state sent him to work on- background checks? If Manchin’s state is like the rest of our country, they want jobs. And Manchin has voted consistently with a president responsible for our country’s sad fiscal state.

Oh and this;

“Chief among them is getting our fiscal house in order. I’ll be getting back to that.” …

Yes, I would imagine Toomey will be. Because Pennsylvania voters have long memories on foolishness like this and they’ve let him know over the past week or so. In fact, I would imagine his constituents will remember this next election- no matter how far away Toomey thinks that is.

Marcus Traianus on April 18, 2013 at 12:53 PM

He’s got joe and -mika on his side…. keep on keeping on
Heh

cmsinaz on April 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

So, Toomey gets credit for trying in a blue state, the president’s been utterly humiliated, and gun laws haven’t changed in the slightest.

Are the RINO hunters going to put away their shotguns now?

KingGold on April 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Ummmm, Toomey is NOT getting credit for anything here..

…he’s getting his azz reamed by every outlet there
is in this State, that Prides itself on Gun Rights….

..and that would include Democrats in this State…

..so he hasn’t benefited at all, with ANY constituency….

ToddPA on April 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Manchin is from West Virginia where the rat-eared coward is killing the coal industry and the Second Amendment is a big deal. Isn’t this just doubling down on stupid?

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Excellent. Keep f*cking that chicken, Joe.

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

They are all focused like lasers on jobs, jobs, jobs…

d1carter on April 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Like the laser on the Death Star focused on planets…

wildcat72 on April 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Has anyone else noticed that the multiple states that already have background checks on private firearm sales, and their crime rates relative to those that don’t, are never brought up as an argument in favor of a federal requirement? That should tell you all you need to know about the effectiveness of background checks.

But, then, they’re Democrats. They never let a little thing like reality get in the way of imposing more government restrictions on the Little People. Because more government is always better than less, right?

Socratease on April 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Are the RINO hunters going to put away their shotguns now?

KingGold on April 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Not until they’re extinct. Why would we put our metaphorical shotguns away now?

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Hopefully this marks the end of both their political careers.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Unfortunately, even if these people are voted out of office, we aren’t done with them. Or, they aren’t done with us. They just become lobbyists and continue their attack on our liberty under the cloak of darkness.

Fazman on April 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM

‘The gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill,” Obama angrily said. “They claimed that it would create some sort of ‘big brother’ gun registry, even though the bill did the opposite. This legislation, in fact, outlawed any registry.’

- President Barack Obama, yesterday

LIAR.

Here’s the Schu-Man-Too text:

(c) Prohibition of National Gun Registry.-Section 923 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

(m) The Attorney General may not consolidate or centralize the records of the

(1) acquisition or disposition of firearms, or any portion thereof, maintained by

(A) a person with a valid, current license under this chapter;
(B) an unlicensed transferor under section 922(t); or

(2) possession or ownership of a firearm, maintained by any medical or health insurance entity.”

The prohibition on creating a national gun registry only applies to the Attorney General (and thus to entities under his direct control, such as the FBI and BATFE).

Applying inclusio unius exclusio alterius, it IS permissible for heads of departments other than those under the control of the Attorney General, such as HHS, DHS, VA, etc, to create gun registries, using whatever information they can acquire from their own operations.

Under Schu-Man-Too, Sebelius could consolidate and centralise gun records from the information she gathered from healthcare providers or insurance companies. DHS could create a registry using info received from states like Missouri. The Department of the Army could centralise firearm information on current and former military through the VA, questionnaires, etc. Then, HHS, DHS, the VA, etc, could compile all of their individual data into one registry.

SO, OBAMA, STOP LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. It may work on gullible, LoInFo simpletons like ‘nonpartisan,’ but it doesn’t work on those of us, who have bothered to research the subject and, obviously, know more about it than you do.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Leftists like Manchin have nothing else to cling to.

rplat on April 18, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I read an article by a Prog, who was bitterly disappointed after yesterday’s vote, (can’t remember who it was, but will look). He said one of the main reasons that Schu-Man-Too failed, along with other gun control measures, was that the government is too broke and Democrats can’t bribe their reluctant members or the Republicans with a post office or sumthin’.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Haha! I guess they’re all bribed out!

squint on April 18, 2013 at 1:00 PM

He said one of the main reasons that Schu-Man-Too failed, along with other gun control measures, was that the government is too broke and Democrats can’t bribe their reluctant members or the Republicans with a post office or sumthin’.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Really? I guess I’m a little dense because I never even thought of post offices. I see gun-grabbing as one of those issues that really crosses party lines. Harry Reid and the rat-eared wonder thought they could wheedle enough votes out to get “something” out of the Senate (Rush thinks Obama wanted it to fail in the House for blame purposes).

Democrats, especially those up for re-election in 2014 are not going to cross their constituents for a lame duck president.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Heidi Heitkamp is my friend. I’m just so tickled to death she is there. I got to get Heidi comfortable so the people in North Dakota know how good she is and what we can do to make her feel comfortable that we represented the people. … I’m not going to allow a criminal or an Al Qaeda terrorist to be able to go to the gun show like he advertised to pick up guns but if there is some language that is uncomfortable, I’ve got to work harder to make them comfortable. … If the NRA didn’t score this, we would’ve had 15 more votes.”

Did he just call the people in North Dakota stupid? The fact that he’s still trying to use Al Quaida as a prop for this proves that his intellect isn’t up to the task of being a Senator. Or… maybe it does.

Vince on April 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Pat Toomey told a local Allentown reporter that he had had enough, and plans on returning to fiscal issues:

Way to go Arlen. If you are lucky, your constituents will give you a pass. If the people are lucky, they will throw you out.

roy_batty on April 18, 2013 at 1:02 PM

They need more time.

More time for lies, and for those lies to become truths.

More time to indoctrinate the children.

More time for a nation that once spilled her blood for liberty, to cower in the shadow of a State that demands, directs, dictates, requires, orders and forces the People to accept what is best for them – and to embrace the benevolent force of the State.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 18, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Leftists like Manchin have nothing else to cling to.

rplat on April 18, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Except for his future career as a lobbyist.

Fenris on April 18, 2013 at 1:05 PM

“We have a lot of other issues we have to deal with,” Pennsylvania GOP Sen. Pat Toomey told the Allentown Morning Call. “Chief among them is getting our fiscal house in order. I’ll be getting back to that.”

Decoded: “I effed up bigtime signing on to that legislation because my office lines are burning up from outraged constituents, so I’ve decided to try to make it go away and hope all those people forget what I tried to do.”

Bishop on April 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM

They just become lobbyists and continue their attack on our liberty under the cloak of darkness.

Yup. Should be a law that no former pol may have access to Capitol Hill except in the capacity of a tourist or as a constituent only of his/her actual representatives.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Except for his future career as a lobbyist.

He represents a valuable asset in that regard.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2013 at 1:08 PM

RUBIO……on Rush.

AMNESTY, AMNESTY, AMNESTY.

PappyD61 on April 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

What will the bitter clingers in West Virginia and Pennsylvania have to say to Manchin and Toomey….From the looks of Toomeys facebook….not so good for Toomey

crosshugger on April 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Rubio, ENFORCE THE FREAKING LAWS ON THE BOOKS NOW!!!!!

He will NOT defend the sovereignty of the U.S. Borders.

PappyD61 on April 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Marco telling Rush all the reasons he’s kissing schumer’s butt.

renalin on April 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Marco telling Rush all the reasons he’s kissing kicking schumer’s butt.

As it SHOULD be. Another GOP squish.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Marco doesn’t want immigration reform just for politics, but for the good of the country. ROFLMAO

renalin on April 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Leftists like Manchin have nothing else to cling to.

rplat on April 18, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Tiny little wise comment; almost got by me. :)

Axe on April 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

RUBIO……on Rush.

AMNESTY, AMNESTY, AMNESTY.

In other words,

Rubio: “I wish to be in good standing with my people.”

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Marco telling Rush all the reasons he’s kissing schumer’s butt.

renalin on April 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

I hope Rush tears him a no-nonsense new one.

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Senator Rubio,

If you came into this country illegally THEN GET THE **** OUT!!!

AMNESTY, wrong, wrong, wrong.

The Pappy Plan solves all this problem.

1. Seal the border.

2. 10% across the board spending cuts.

PappyD61 on April 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

The Pappy Plan solves all this problem.

1. Seal the border.

2. 10% across the board spending cuts.

PappyD61 on April 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

That’s but a start to solving the problems. 10% ain’t nearly enough.

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM

So now Rubio even backs off on the Citizenship doesn’t start immediately.

NOW, he’s trumpeting the Homeland Security securing the border.

Rubio, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.


What a crock of Possum Shinola.

PappyD61 on April 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Speaking of Morning Schmoe, Newsbusters has a laugh out loud story from this morning.

Schmoe starts the show chiding CNN saying that “Our people don’t speak until we have our facts straight. That’s the difference between them and us.”

Then during his gun vote spiel, he talks of “the NRA lobbyist Chris Cox, who I used to serve with in Congress, well, he’s just a LIAR and it makes me so sad he’s sold his soul”. An hour later, Schmoe says “Mark Halperin informed me I may have the wrong Chris Cox. I’ll have to look into this.”

LOL! Mark Halperin has got to daily roll his eyes and say to his inner self “What a maroon!”

Marcus on April 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Not until they’re extinct. Why would we put our metaphorical shotguns away now?

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

If you’re refering to Toomey as a RINO, you’re gonna run out of bullets real fast since seemly anyone who deviates once from the playbook seems to be targeted. Meanwhile, wolves(Democrats) can run free once you’ve exhausted your supply.

thebrokenrattle on April 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Rush being respectful. Giving Rubio plenty of room to hang himself with.

Marco wants amnesty now, border security in 5-10 years. I feel like waterboarding this idiot myself.

renalin on April 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Leftists like Manchin have nothing else to cling to.

rplat on April 18, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Tiny little wise comment; almost got by me. :)

Well, there’s always these to cling to:

Das Kapital

The Communist Manifesto

Mao’s Little Red Book

Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals

To name a few.

Of which you can pry them out of a leftists cold dead hands.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Marcus on April 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

That is one to cut/paste/save in Word! Thanks, I needed a smile.

Limerick on April 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM

I’m not going to allow a criminal or an Al Qaeda terrorist to be able to go to the gun show like he advertised to pick up guns but if there is some language that is uncomfortable, I’ve got to work harder to make them comfortable. … If the NRA didn’t score this, we would’ve had 15 more votes.”

this is so precious. A guy who famously used a rifle in one of his TV ads to blow a hole thru the h/c? bill. A real Man connected with the people of WV.

Well..not so much. This is what you get when you are two dim to get involved with Chuck Schumer and his staff. They will ride herd over you, the best you can get is some face-saving cobbled together introductory sentences, and the rest is what chucky wants….and chuck doesn’t like gun folk very much

and then to bitch about the nra ‘scoring’ a GUN BILL? Oh, please

next time try to talk to your WV peons first. Yeah…i know, they smell funny Joe…it is a tough job you have

r keller on April 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

RINO Rubio speaking very fast and waffling, is Rush bemused or what ?

Sandybourne on April 18, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I hope Rush tears him a no-nonsense new one.

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Doesn’t sound like that’s going to happen.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2013 at 1:23 PM

If you’re refering to Toomey as a RINO, you’re gonna run out of bullets real fast since seemly anyone who deviates once from the playbook seems to be targeted. Meanwhile, wolves(Democrats) can run free once you’ve exhausted your supply.

thebrokenrattle on April 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

My supply of rhetorical bullets is inexhaustible.

You and others here (that I’ve not seen before, not that it matters, but is curious) are continually making comments about guns, ammo and Senators as targets. You really shouldn’t, perhaps – and if you’re doing so hoping someone else will crawl out on that limb with you, well… they shouldn’t, either.

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 1:23 PM

That’s but a start to solving the problems. 10% ain’t nearly enough.

Oh, it isn’t fair to our darling pols, bureaucrats and gimmiecrats to go cold turkey all at once…..how about 10% cuts annually for the next 5 years based on the last actual federal budget approved and submitted by both the House and Senate.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Rush says we will legalize 11 million democratic voters

Marco: the idiot believes that illegal immigrants are believers in “small government”. Once we explain to them, they will convert. Hispanics are highly entrpreneurial.

Marco is downright evil. He can’t be that stupid.

renalin on April 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Mr. Rubio, this may seem a crazy questions, but:

- Why don’t we try *actually* enforcing the laws we have for awhile and see what happens, and whether we need to ‘reform’ anything at all?

- Don’t we already have a ‘pathway to citizenship’ sir, that thousands of legal immigrants have been exercising as defined for quite awhile now? Why do we need a new pathway specifically for people that refused to legally follow the path already provided?

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 1:27 PM

I think I meant ‘metaphorical bullets’.

*shrug* Perhaps ‘rhetorical’ works, too. :)

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Rush says we will legalize 11 million democratic voters

Marco: the idiot believes that illegal immigrants are believers in “small government”. Once we explain to them, they will convert. Hispanics are highly entrpreneurial.

Marco is downright evil. He can’t be that stupid.

renalin on April 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Yeah, that’s one of the more amazingly naïve or intentionally false statements on that topic from the GOP pro-amnesty group.

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Here it is (via Breitbart):

On Wednesday, President Obama suffered the biggest defeat of his Presidency. In a bi-partisan vote, the Senate forcefully rejected an expansion of background checks for gun purchases. Obama had utilized every lever in his power, including his outside group Organizing for Action, to push the proposal. It fell far short of passage. It was an epic fail.

Politico, late Wednesday, tried to explain Obama’s failure. Rather than acknowledge the fact that most Americans don’t support infringing on 2nd Amendment rights, the news site peddled in legislative horse-trading gossip to explain the loss.

“Bribery isn’t what it once was,” an official with one of the major gun-control groups told Politico. “The government has no money. Once upon a time you would throw somebody a post office or a research facility in times like this. Frankly, there’s not a lot of leverage.”

Perhaps there is an upside to choking federal debt. Without the prospect of legislative bribery, lawmakers are left with considering legislation on its own merits. The inability to throw around federal appropriations means that lawmakers’ votes are decided by the issue itself, rather than what can be traded for it. It may be that our fiscal challenges are the greatest protector of our constitutional rights.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Marco: the idiot believes that illegal immigrants are believers in “small government”. Once we explain to them, they will convert. Hispanics are highly entrpreneurial.

renalin on April 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM

They might be entrepreneurial, but 70% of them support Obamacare. That does NOT sound like they are advocates of ‘small government.’

If Republicans believe that they have to go along with ‘comprehensive immigration reform’ in order to attract Hispanics, then they had better become Obamacare cheerleaders, too.

I mean, what’s the point of Hispandering if you only go part of the way?

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM

My supply of rhetorical bullets is inexhaustible.

You and others here (that I’ve not seen before, not that it matters, but is curious) are continually making comments about guns, ammo and Senators as targets. You really shouldn’t, perhaps – and if you’re doing so hoping someone else will crawl out on that limb with you, well… they shouldn’t, either.

Midas on April 18, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Oh I’m quite sure of the infinite supply of passion you have, that I can be sure of. SuperPACs and other political entities, however have a finite amount of money and volunteer support and I would rather it be spent more on besting Dems rather than fighting amongst ourselves.

If I remember correctly, SarahPAC’s Target Map targeted Democrats, not RINOs :)

thebrokenrattle on April 18, 2013 at 1:41 PM

“Hopefully the People of West Virginia will put an end to YOU, Joe.”

I hope so too, but they’ve never ended it with Jay Rockefeller. As long as Mancin can back away from this and keep his promises to the coal industry, this whole incident will disappear down the memory hole.

Vera71 on April 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM

how can you be entrepenerial(sic) in this country if you can’t read or write english?

The Dems win. They give more freebies. Marco’s must know that. He’s playing us for stupid.

renalin on April 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Rush says we will legalize 11 million democratic voters

Marco: the idiot believes that illegal immigrants are believers in “small government”. Once we explain to them, they will convert. Hispanics are highly entrpreneurial.

Marco is downright evil. He can’t be that stupid.

renalin on April 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM

I give Rubio credit for making the rounds including going on Rush’s program. I give credit to Rush for asking tough questions.

I hope Rubio fails. I just don’t think he is being honest in his defense of this scheme. Starting with the fact that we’re not only giving amnesty to people in this nation but to people we’ve deported in the past! Sorry, America is a generous nation but generosity should be limited when it comes to the illegals.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I’ve met Manchin on several occasions. He’s an idiot who would not have a job if not for family connections. Much like Obama, he can’t think on his feet. A friend’s law firm has held multiple fundraisers for Joe. He doesn’t speak unless his handler tells him what to say.

The man is also a camera wh0re. Which probably explains how he ends up in situations, like saying all the miners survived the UBB mine disaster. I watched that as it happened. Joe could not find a camera fast enough. Then, of course, his comments after Newtown.

I’ve spoken with several liberal friends (including the ones who have hosted fundraisers), and they say he’s done, politically speaking next term.

jeffNWV on April 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Perhaps there is an upside to choking federal debt. Without the prospect of legislative bribery, lawmakers are left with considering legislation on its own merits.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Heaven forfend!

squint on April 18, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Decoded: “I effed up bigtime signing on to that legislation because my office lines are burning up from outraged constituents, so I’ve decided to try to make it go away and hope all those people forget what I tried to do.”

Bishop on April 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM

We won’t.

CurtZHP on April 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

The reason the immigration law isn’t being enforced now is because of the same cronies that wrote the backroom amnesty bill.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM

My 1:54 comment is in response to Rush’s show. Sorry for the OT.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM

how can you be entrepenerial(sic) in this country if you can’t read or write english?

The Dems win. They give more freebies. Marco’s must know that. He’s playing us for stupid.

renalin on April 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM

You can be perfectly entrepreneurial in this country without reading or writing English providing you limit the reach of your entrepreneurial skills to the south-west areas :) you’re actually likelier to fail as an entrepreneur in some of these S-W communities if you actually speak and write English, but no habla Espanol :), in other words if you are not bilingual. sad but true…I suspect Rubio kmows this.

jimver on April 18, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Toomey career is over. He knows it everybody knows it. Joe Manchin won’t be West VA senator much longer.

jdun on April 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM

In recent weeks Rush Limbaugh has repeatedly indicated that he’s flummoxed as to why the GOP is supporting amnesty—apparently Rush needs to inform himself about cronyism so that he can properly inform his audience. Unfortunately, I suspect that Rush is already aware of this fact but doesn’t want to raise a fuss for some reason. Although I believe that Rush genuinely opposes amnesty, I fear that this indicates he may have decided not to try his best to defeat it, instead concentrating on other topics while the amnesty is quietly passed as the GOP establishment wishes. I hope that this is not the case because my future is at stake and it will be unfortunate if Rush Limbaugh abandons the amnesty fight because of his friendship and admiration of RINO neocons like Rubio. We can defeat amnesty and have a resurgence of freedom and liberty in America, still, but not if the ruling class imposes amnesty.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Rush, the gun-control effort is over and done, we won! Now we have just a few more days, it sounds like, to defeat amnesty! Please help us defeat it and save America!

FloatingRock on April 18, 2013 at 2:11 PM

‘As a long-time gun owner, I believe the right to keep and bear arms should not be dependent on the city in which you live. The provisions of the U.S. Constitution apply to all Americans, regardless of geography……As a gun owner, I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. In February, I was proud to sign the Amicus Brief in District of Columbia v Heller asking the Supreme Court to uphold the lower court ruling that overturned the long standing DC gun ban. We have a long tradition of gun ownership in the United States. … It is a tradition which every law-abiding citizen should be able to enjoy.’

- Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, September 2008

I feel for Ms Giffords because of what happened to her, but you cannot be a true supporter of the Second Amendment if your support ‘evolves’ because of how it affects you personally.

When Ron Portman ‘evolved’ on SSM, the Left – including many of the usual suspects here – called him a hypocrite because he only came to support gay marriage once he learned of his own son’s homosexuality. It didn’t matter that Portman’s ‘evolution’ was similar to Obama’s ‘revolution‘ on the issue.

Their argument was: Your personal experience should have no effect on the constitutional and civil rights of others.

They have a point…although they selectively make it. Nevertheless, if Ron Portman’s ‘evolution’ is merely an example of his hypocrisy, can’t the same be true of Gabby Giffords ‘evolution’ on the Second Amendment?

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Hey WV voters, how about booing that POS manchin for being the traitor that he showed himself to be? And then vote his butt out in 2014.

johnny reb on April 18, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I’m not going to allow a criminal or an Al Qaeda terrorist to be able to go to the gun show like he advertised to pick up guns

Another stupid statement that explains why The Munckin’s bill didn’t go anywhere.

GarandFan on April 18, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Hopefully the People of West Virginia will put an end to YOU, Joe.

I work in West Virginia. And that’s the talk around the office that Manchin has just talked his way out of the Senate.

wildcat72 on April 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I hope that this becomes more than talk. WVA , like LA, has a bad, very bad ,habit of bringing scoundrels back into office, all forgiven, because they sing a happy song to the LIVs . Our senior senator ignores Vets and Military 83.3% of the time. In that election year, why you’d think she personally built the Pentagon and keeps VA taking care of people in her own hand.

gatorbait on April 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Heidi Heitkamp is my friend. I’m just so tickled to death she is there. I got to get Heidi comfortable so the people in North Dakota know how good she is and what we can do to make her feel comfortable that we represented

So N. Dakotans only know Heitkamp well enough to vote for her? And Joe has to get her comfortable? How, with lingerie and a brandy? A massage? And comfortable with what, oh – THE BILL???

Uh, Joe I’m sure she was fully in the know on the bill and very uncomfortable with alienating citizens from their rights.

LetsBfrank on April 18, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Most sales at gun shows are between dealers and individuals AND ARE ALREADY SUBJECT TO BACKGROUND CHECKS. The ONLY sales at gun shows that are not subject to background checks ARE those between individuals.

So, Joe, who’s the liar???

Evidently, it’s you and Manchin.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM

And you can hit the liars about the online check BS, too, as all interstate transfers (even those that originate online) have to be shipped to FFLs who run background checks. The only online sales that aren’t subject to checks are those that the buyer and seller physically meet in the state and those transfers are subject to the laws of the particular state, just as any other sale from individual to individual.

These idiots tried to make it sound as if anyone can buy a gun on the internet and have it mailed to their home. LOL.

Manchin needs to make an ad of him shooting his own bill.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM

I actually feel sorry, kinda, for Toomey. He opened the door to his BFF and got rolled big time. It is a shame that we see at least a couple of our Tea party favorites either being rolled as rubes or worse, actually believing in “friendship” and Bi-partisanship by comrades who believe in neither .

You’d think they knew and we do know they had at least been warned. Toomey doomed himself, at least for now, and possibly for good , particularly with Bloomberg’s sudden praise for Toomey abandoning his constituency having the day before been subjected to little Stalin’s egregious and dishonest advertising blitz. Hope he enjoys his strange new respect from the Left. It should last about as long as cotton candy in a thunderstorm .

gatorbait on April 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM

gatorbait on April 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Toomey didn’t “get rolled” by anyone. He said so much, himself, with:

“I did the best I could. I wish it had passed, “

Toomey’s an idiot who has no respect for the Constitution.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Manchin: No, no, the background check bill is not dead, it’s restin’!

agmartin on April 18, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Manchin: No, no, the background check bill is not dead, it’s restin’!

agmartin on April 18, 2013 at 3:02 PM

It’s PINING for the FJORDS!

wildcat72 on April 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Over 48,000 people illegally tried to get a gun last year and only 4500 of those were prosecuted. Manchin is a moron. He will not win re-election in WV. Most West Virginians didn’t trust him much to begin with.

fight like a girl on April 18, 2013 at 6:40 PM

If the NRA didn’t score this, we would’ve had 15 more votes.”

If this hadn’t been anti-gun legislation, the NRA wouldn’t have scored it.

Idiot.

AZfederalist on April 18, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Well if Obama was going to do anything to actually accomplish anything, it would be mental health and the GOP was the only party trying to do anything about it.

Zaggs on April 18, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Be careful there. The new DSM considers normal emotions (like grief) and chronic physical illnesses mental disorders.

The Medical Industrial Complex is more than willing to help the state disarm citizens, which is likely why Manchin-Toomey exempted these guys from consolidation or centralization of records:

(2) possession or ownership of a firearm, maintained by any medical or health insurance entity.’’

On guns and “mental illness”
http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/2013/04/11/random-observations-on-mood-and-its-meaning-and-of-course-guns/

First, you build a medical/pharmaceutical industry that successfully pushes the notion that every little sorrow, nervous twitch, or bit of restlessness is a “disease” that needs to be treated with psychoactive drugs. Then you go on a holy crusade to take guns away from the “mentally ill” (and all the bobbleheads who haven’t thought about the implications repeat “good idea, good idea, good idea”).

So with the consent of the ignorant, complacent, well-programmed, and the devious slimeballs who take advantage of all of the above, any one of the millions who’ve been propagandized into taking one of those psychoactive drugs can become a candidate for losing his or her gun rights. No due process, no nothin’. (Added: Well, maybe the opinion of an authoritarian, anti-gun counselor or shrink.
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Oh yeah, and it helps if you also set up “medical privacy” systems that centralize your health-care data and share it willy-nilly with “authorities.”
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And how many gun owners who would never dream that their depression, anxiety, or ADHD constitutes a “mental illness” will remain blissfully ignorant until Authoritah comes for them?

Rae on April 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM