Boston bombing update: The guys in the feds’ surveillance video probably aren’t who you think

posted at 10:41 am on April 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

The FBI is (finally!) going to release the footage that everyone’s been clamoring for later today. If you’ve read the New York Post this morning, you probably think you know who the guys in the video will be. You’re probably wrong. I watched an interview on Erin Burnett’s show last night with Fran Townsend (I think it was her), who’d seen photos of the suspects circulated by cops; CNN refused to air the pics but it was abundantly clear from her description that it’s the same two guys in the Post’s story today. If you followed Reddit’s marathon photo sleuthing yesterday, you knew instantly watching that interview who she meant. There were at least five or six different shots of them near the finish line being scrutinized on Reddit — one of them wore a white cap and bulging black backpack, the other a blue track suit with a sagging duffel bag. I went to bed last night thinking that’s who’d be in the video released today.

But apparently I’m wrong. The administrator of the Reddit sleuthing thread posted an alert this morning urging people to back off. Quote:

This is what you call a witch hunt media, for god sake.

The two males we’re talking about are the one in a black jumper/hoody with a white hat, and his friend in a blue track jacket. There are multiple news sites releasing their information and/or Facebook pages, this is disgusting and will not be tolerated here, no links to these stories are allowed.

Please report any posts regarding personal information on these two, they will be removed and the user will be permanently banned. All previous links to these two are being removed.

We are not waiting for them to be officially cleared, one of the men has contacted the police to try and clear his name. Please understand that the FBI now knows who they are, so our posts now have no purpose. If the situation changes then people can make new posts. It’s not our job to keep their information out there, people are innocent until proven guilty – not the other way around.

I can’t find any news stories confirming that yet but, given the site’s prominence, the Reddit editor may have been contacted by someone who knows something begging them to halt the speculation. I noticed that Newsweek editor Michael Moynihan was also tweeting skeptically about the two guys in the photo this morning and e-mailed him to ask why he thinks they’re innocent. Answer: He found their Facebook pages last night and says it seemed pretty clear from the volume of material about track and field, along with lots of other innocuous crap, that they’re unlikely to be the culprits. They were probably just there watching the race because they’re into long-distance running. Obviously he can’t be sure, but reasonable doubt suggests maybe not putting them on the front page of a major tabloid until the feds speak up. In fact, a reporter from CBS has already claimed this morning that the two guys on the Post’s cover aren’t the guys the feds are looking for.

And yet, these obviously were the guys in the photos being shown to the media last night, per the CNN interview. So why were cops spreading them around if there aren’t even the main suspects? Maybe there was a miscommunication with the feds, or maybe it’s part of an effort to run down anyone who looked even a little “suspicious.” From yesterday’s NYT:

The videos also showed at least a handful of others whom the authorities want to question, either because of what they appear to be doing in the video or their proximity to the blasts, a senior law enforcement official said…

The official said the authorities were trying to boil down the number of people of interest in the videos and would then decide whether to ask the public’s help in locating them…

The official added: “There are several videos with people in them, and we’re looking to talk to more than one guy. It’s still very squishy but there are a lot of interesting people” the authorities want to talk to.

According to the LA Times, there are two men on the surveillance video who’ve piqued investigators’ curiosity (“The men were singled out because of their demeanor and the way in which they reacted to the bomb blasts”), but as I say, they’re probably not White Cap and Track Suit. Those latter two were likely noticed because of their bags, their proximity to the blast site, and, let’s face it, the fact that they appear Middle Eastern. If the Boston Globe is correct, though, then the bags don’t match either. They claim that the surveillance video shows each man carrying a black bag; the bag carried by Track Suit in the Post’s photo is blue.

Anyway, we’ll know soon. Expect a new thread ASAP after the footage is released; I’m eager to see if the real suspects ended up in any of the photos online. Exit question about something that’s been bothering me for two days: If the bomb really was in that bag in the fourth photo here, how did it not dislodge the mailbox next to it? It’s a foot away and had enough power to take people’s limbs off. I know mailboxes are sturdy, but that sturdy? The bomb must have been somewhere else nearby, no?


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Ed, Mail boxes are bolted down and made of metal. It’s possible they could survived that explosion. It seems that even the pressure cooker “survived” JMO.
@debitking

Nelsa on April 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM

We always rush to judgement before getting all the facts. I mean, the media always rushes to judgement…

HiJack on April 18, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Boston bombing update: The guys in the feds’ surveillance video probably aren’t who you think.

If innocent people are being fingered by some in the media it is one more reason why they should release the photos of whom they think are the “possible” suspects ASAP.

farsighted on April 18, 2013 at 10:47 AM

There are all kinds of pictures circulating now of the blue jacket guy. He looks suspicious in the marathon photos. But there are a ton of pics of him floating around, including some of him on a high school track team and racing at a local athletic club.

I had originally thought he and his friend were the culprits, but it certainly may be he’s probably just a guy who’s into running.

PetecminMd on April 18, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Okay so yesterday they kept showing the picture of the above mentioned two and called them White? Now they’re not the suspects and they’re called Middle Eastern?What a mess…

sandee on April 18, 2013 at 10:52 AM

If innocent people are being fingered by some in the media it is one more reason why they should release the photos of whom they think are the “possible” suspects ASAP.

Yep.

Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

How come the Daily Mail is so much more informative than our MSM? Though I wish they wouldn’t go into detail on how to construct a bomb.

Blake on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

how did it not dislodge the mailbox next to it?

The bomb obviously went off very near the mailbox hence all the black marks and blood on the ground.
Also note the tree did not get blown down, nor any of the fences seem to be too damaged.
Maybe the blast of the bomb went up (the lid was found on the roof of a building). If the bomber would have “aimed” it in different direction the carnage could have been worse.

albill on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

The bomb must have been somewhere else nearby, no?

I’ve never understood how these detonation points showers glass on people outside.

And look at the table in the fourth picture. shouldn’t the top be blowing towards the restaurant? Instead, it’s facing the bomb as if it was lifted and thrown towards the street…unless someone threw it the during the blast as the ran.

budfox on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

72 hours. I think the Feds are clueless. With as many people involved in this operation if they had anything concrete one of those in the know would have leaked it. Barry will provide cover today for the keystone cop Feds to stay away from answering questions.

Limerick on April 18, 2013 at 10:54 AM

budfox on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

An explosion pushes out then the suck back comes. Out, then in.

Limerick on April 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM

but as I say, they’re probably not White Cap and Track Suit.

Really? Because…

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/feds_have_men_in_sights_j43UJwXZncr0wmysU42scJ

wearyman on April 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

How come the Daily Mail is so much more informative than our MSM? Though I wish they wouldn’t go into detail on how to construct a bomb.

Blake on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Maybe a small degree of separation? Isn’t that a requirement for journalism anyway? At least attempt it?

oldroy on April 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

The Blaze:

Sources tell TheBlaze that the Saudi national is set to be deported on “security and related grounds.” His visa also has been revoked. Below is some of the information that has been communicated to us:
1. One source at the FBI and another at the Saudi Embassy referred to the student as connected to an important Saudi family.
2. An “event” was created on this guy three days ago. An event is a file. The file contains his deportation record and the reason he is being deported. According to ICE the reason is under section 212 3B — “Security and related grounds” – “Terrorist activities”
3. His visa has been revoked.
4. The FBI said a file was started “just in case he was found to be connected to the crime,” however, the file shows he was scheduled to be deported. This was not a precaution, it was in “orders.”
5. One source said they believe a “voluntary” departure has been signed — that means the Saudi Student could be out of the country as early as today.
6. The file was immediately classified. We believe the deportation order will be classified as well — requiring a FOIA to get it.
7. The story was going to be “he wanted to go home,” however he was actually being deported.
8. Our source said the FBI believes the Saudi student is tied to 2 to 3 more people.
9. Our source said this “looks like they were trying to make this a ‘lone wolf’ crime so, the Saudi government would be spared embarrassment and the U.S. would avoid explaining how a terror cell was active when we had AQ on the run.”
[bold added]

petefrt on April 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Those two weren’t my guys anyway. Two others, both non-caucasian, dressed in black jackets, bulging back packs and khaki pants. Talking on cell phones.

Curmudgeon on April 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

or maybe it’s part of an effort to run down anyone who looked even a little “suspicious.”

Identify everyone in the area, let the police know who they are, and let them investigate. Do not pass any judgement on anyone. We don’t know.

The only curious aspect is that two and a half days later, no one is claiming responsibility. The Pakistani Taliban, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood all denounce the bombing. Which is kind of odd, given that Patriots Day is little known outside of Massachusetts, and the Boston Marathon is little known outside of long distance running circles. It’s a one day story in American sports reporting.

rbj on April 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

If the bomb really was in that bag in the fourth photo here, how did it not dislodge the mailbox next to it? It’s a foot away and had enough power to take people’s limbs off. I know mailboxes are sturdy, but that sturdy? The bomb must have been somewhere else nearby, no?

This was discussed on an earlier thread. Someone who convincingly claimed experience with explosive devices (Bobmx?) noted the mailbox looked old, made of heavy gauge steel, and probably weighs 500-600 pounds. Also, it looks like it is sitting on a concrete slab and it may be bolted onto it.

farsighted on April 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Sounds like a cluster—- to me….or an orchestrated cluster—– leading to a cover up.

They will release the photos of whom they are looking for later today? At least that is what I read, along with comments that the govt. was wrestling on whether to release them. Who are they kidding that the release of the photos might cause the potential suspects to run? I “suspect” that the fact they might have planted the bombs has already caused them to run.

Common sense would tell you that by releasing the photos, the public (you know, that dumb public who needs to be kept out of the loop because we are all idiots you know/sarc – put that there for the actual idiots who don’t get the sarcasm) more information would come in about the two from either persons who saw them at the event or people who knew them.

Amjean on April 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Ed, Mail boxes are bolted down and made of metal. It’s possible they could survived that explosion. It seems that even the pressure cooker “survived” JMO.
@debitking

Nelsa on April 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM

My gun club had a real mailbox and a police car in a training simulator that fired plastic pellets at you. You didn’t want to get hit because they really hurt. Both the police car and mailbox where covered with tiny dents from the plastic bullets. I would expect that a bomb filled with metal bits would have caused some dent damage to the mailbox. The fence is also bent away from the blast which makes me think that the blast came from behind the mailbox. Another thing is that the police are saying they have video of black bags being placed and that bag is very clearly not black.

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

John Ashcroft was on Fox about a half hour ago, and he said the FBI, while it should be cautious needs to make sure the information the PUBLIC has is correct.

If pix of people who are innocent are being passed around the internet, those people have a right to see their face on TV and say it’s not ME!

They are obviously waiting for the president to make it thru the prayer service in Boston for security reasons, to tell us more. I am sorry because Obama often sets the wrong narrative. Just search the terms Obama – Jump the Gun – Romney on Google and you will see he has used this Jumping the Gun to shape things his way before. Romney was Right on Benghazi and Mrs. Clinton and Obama and Susan Rice were all wrong, and they apparently knew it.

Fleuries on April 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM

wearyman on April 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Yes, that’s the Post’s story. How does it in any way refute what I’ve posted here?

Curmudgeon on April 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Those guys looked odd to me too, but I’m 99% sure they’re just extra security at the event.

Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Limerick on April 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Thanks. That makes sense.

budfox on April 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM

The fence is also bent away from the blast which makes me think that the blast came from behind the mailbox. Another thing is that the police are saying they have video of black bags being placed and that bag is very clearly not black.

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

I think it’s clear from the blast videos if you follow the most straight line up from the blast, that it wasn’t the bag on the curb…

oldroy on April 18, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Curmudgeon on April 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM
Those guys looked odd to me too, but I’m 99% sure they’re just extra security at the event.

Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Their dress is semi-uniformed. I’d have to agree with you.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Those guys looked odd to me too, but I’m 99% sure they’re just extra security at the event.

Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Those cats are undercover. The upper body strength alone says they spend a helluva lot of time in training, which is not how any jihadi has ever appeared.

So unless the Krazee ‘Merican theory is right, those two are anything from Undercover po-po, feds or military.

budfox on April 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM

I can’t help but think that waters are being muddied very, very deliberately here. It stinks.

Bat Chain Puller on April 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Blake on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

That information escaped from Pandora’s Box a long, long time ago. It is easily found on the internet.

chemman on April 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM

So if it turns out to be a muslim, a tax protestor, an Occupier or an anarchist group, who cares? Does that mean all muslims/tax protestors/Occupiers/anarchists are guilty of setting off the bomb?

CrustyB on April 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM

http://shoebat.com/2013/04/17/innocent-saudi-spotted-with-two-other-saudis-at-marathon/

PappyD61 on April 18, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Wow. Looking like a Benghazi cover-up all over again.

petefrt on April 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM

How come the Daily Mail is so much more informative than our MSM? Though I wish they wouldn’t go into detail on how to construct a bomb.

Blake on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Believe it or not, even the liberal Brits don’t stand for letting their media publish bull$hit Blake. Here in the U.S. the media and their editors have much lower standards and aren’t held accountable when what’s published is pure propaganda. I’ve found myself recently going to read U.K. publications for American stories the liberal media here won’t publish.

Rovin on April 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Oh thank goodness, I was really worried that we were going to pin this on Middle Eastern types. Can’t have that!!!

Now that the FBI is in charge of the investigation, there is no chance that anyone other than a white, Christian, heterosexual, Republican NRA member is going to be charged with the crime.

Remember Richard Jewell?

Remember Steven Hatfill?

The FBI is working on the fall guy now; relax people, the coverup continues.

patch on April 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM

how did it not dislodge the mailbox next to it?

Because it’s a federal crime to mess with a mailbox. That’s why.
Or how. Whatever.

justltl on April 18, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Those guys looked odd to me too, but I’m 99% sure they’re just extra security at the event.

Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Those two guys are in a post explosion photo with two other guys dressed the same way and one or two uniformed LEOs behind a black SUV with police lights. They have to be police or security of some sort.

I wish I could find it, but there are hundreds of photos out there…

PetecminMd on April 18, 2013 at 11:05 AM

petefrt on April 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

I really hope that’s a crock. If it isn’t, Obama let one of the bad guys walk.

ElectricPhase on April 18, 2013 at 11:05 AM

So if it turns out to be a muslim, a tax protestor, an Occupier or an anarchist group, who cares? Does that mean all muslims/tax protestors/Occupiers/anarchists are guilty of setting off the bomb?

CrustyB on April 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Only if it’s a white Caucasian tax protestor.

oldroy on April 18, 2013 at 11:05 AM

If the bomb really was in that bag in the fourth photo here, how did it not dislodge the mailbox next to it? It’s a foot away and had enough power to take people’s limbs off. I know mailboxes are sturdy, but that sturdy? The bomb must have been somewhere else nearby, no?

How does a barrier get bent around the mailbox toward the supposed location of the bomb?

rhombus on April 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Rovin on April 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Agreed. In the long run the stories in the Brit news outlets go way way left, but for actual first story reporting I often rely on them and not NBC, ABC, or CBS.

Limerick on April 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Those guys looked odd to me too, but I’m 99% sure they’re just extra security at the event.
Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM

There was one photo of them and one of them had what looked like an ID badge of some sort hanging from his neck. Another photo showed what appeared to be an earpiece coming out from under his coat.

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM

ElectricPhase on April 18, 2013 at 11:05 AM

The Blaze just reported that they were tipped that, now that the cat’s out of the bag, the authorities are reconsidering the deportation.

petefrt on April 18, 2013 at 11:08 AM

If the Feds don’t think Track Suit and pal are involved, or if they’ve fingered two different suspects, they should’ve come out and said so.

Also, has the deportation of the Saudi student been reported by anyone other than that one source (I know the Blaze and others have it, but they’re all referencing the same source for that info)?

changer1701 on April 18, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Why was that Saudi guy whisked away so quickly?

Something awfuwwy scwewy’s going on awound hewe.

- Elmer Fudd

kingsjester on April 18, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Agreed. In the long run the stories in the Brit news outlets go way way left, but for actual first story reporting I often rely on them and not NBC, ABC, or CBS.

Limerick on April 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM

You said it better than I did Lim…….. :)

Rovin on April 18, 2013 at 11:09 AM

So it’s back to the drawing board. I guess we will be flooded with new pics of “suspects.” This time they need to find a fat older White guy wearing a tee shirt saying impeach Obama and long live the tea party…

sandee on April 18, 2013 at 11:09 AM

???????????

PappyD61 on April 18, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Yeah, something’s up.

Fallon on April 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM

BE vewwy vewwy quiet. I’m hunting sacrificial lambs.

oldroy on April 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM

I suspected these were not the two guys because the black backpack of “white cap” guy does not match the tattered remains of the backpack after the bomb exploded.

The Rogue Tomato on April 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Sacwaficial wambs…sowwy.

oldroy on April 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM

and, let’s face it up to our racist assumptions, the fact that they appear Middle Eastern

lostmotherland on April 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM

CrustyB on April 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM

The LSM would be sure to warn us that in the case of 3 of those 4 groups not to judge all by the actions of 1 person. In the case of the 4th group they would immediately tar and feather every one associated with it. Do I need to identify that group?

chemman on April 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM

If true that report of the deportation is beyond stupid. I would think that anyone who received injuries would be, at the least, a potential witness.

Limerick on April 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM

lostmotherland on April 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Saying a white guy looks Middle Eastern is racist, Brutus?

Here’s another shovel. Use both hands.

kingsjester on April 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Benghazi-Boston Bombing Cover Up.

lilium479 on April 18, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Reddit shaming contributors? Har!

The ‘real journalists’ have been libeling ‘mere bloggers’ for years now, and MSNBC, CBS, and (worst offender of all) CNN have left their rules and ethics in the waste bins. The egg is on their collective faces.

BTW, what did happen to the meme ‘bombs were hidden in trashcans’?

{my 2 cents: It’s a pair of white OWS anarchists. They were slightly injured and are recuperating before taking credit… they mis-calculated the damage wrought. Thought it’s be like a video game– fire and smoke, but not the nearly 200 casualties}

socalcon on April 18, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Those guys looked odd to me too, but I’m 99% sure they’re just extra security at the event.

Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM

SEALS?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6ea_1366233893

Ben Hur on April 18, 2013 at 11:17 AM

lostmotherland on April 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Weak tea.

stvnscott on April 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM

How come the Daily Mail is so much more informative than our MSM? Though I wish they wouldn’t go into detail on how to construct a bomb.

Blake on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Unlike the U.S. media, the Daily Mail doesn’t send articles to the Obama White House for approval before publishing.

bw222 on April 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM

I wonder if part the delay is that Homeland, Law Enforcement, etc. are having to come to grips with this being a new, but not terribly unpredictable paradigm? I’d bet there are some might big internal struggles going on in Agencies across the land. Should be interesting fallout, if the peons are allowed to know anything.

What happens next week or next month at the next bombing(s)? Deport someone else?

oldroy on April 18, 2013 at 11:19 AM

The strongest gravitational field in the universe is not found in black holes; it’s found in human minds lacking information.

Marcola on April 18, 2013 at 11:19 AM

The two males we’re talking about are the one in a black jumper/hoody with a white hat, and his friend in a blue track jacket. There are multiple news sites releasing their information and/or Facebook pages, this is disgusting and will not be tolerated here, no links to these stories are allowed.

Unless they’re law abiding citizens who own firearms, in which case they’re fair game .

/s

EnglishRogue on April 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Is the official that disclosed that the pics will be revealed today the same one that said arrests have already been made?

It’s possible the Feds have nothing and this whole Lord and Taylor security camera lead is bogus.

happytobehere on April 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Yes we know that, the pictures have been circulating already. The guys dressed in matching khakis, back packs, and sandy colored boots are not the ones. These guys are with some security firm. It’s the two with black back pack and blue duffel bag.

jake49 on April 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Okay, the whole “declare the Saudi an innocent bystander who is no longer a person of interest but ship him home because he’s a threat to national security” thing pretty much makes it clear we’ll never find out who really did what. I’m not sure the story is even worth following anymore.

The Rogue Tomato on April 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Really? Because…

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/feds_have_men_in_sights_j43UJwXZncr0wmysU42scJ

wearyman on April 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

The NY Post was widly inaccurate before, and this story you’ve linked contradicts itself. The Post story cliams that in photo two that White Hat’s backpack is missing, but he’s still clearly wearing it. You can even see the blue sport bottle tucked into the bag’s outer web pocket in the Post’s photo.

There’s been so much wrong info reported already that media have had to take back, I think the only right thing to do is stop speculating about any particular individuals and let the authorities investigate.

AngusMc on April 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM

{my 2 cents: It’s a pair of white OWS anarchists. They were slightly injured and are recuperating before taking credit… they mis-calculated the damage wrought. Thought it’s be like a video game– fire and smoke, but not the nearly 200 casualties}
socalcon on April 18, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Seems like an odd target for them. Or for anybody but a garden variety nutcase. There is no clear political motive to this at all. Seems just to get attention, and yet no one is seeking attention afterwards.

happytobehere on April 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM

I suspected these were not the two guys because the black backpack of “white cap” guy does not match the tattered remains of the backpack after the bomb exploded.

The Rogue Tomato on April 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM

The most convincing “backpack match” I saw in all the photos which were being circulated, was the one being carried by the scruffy white guy with the beard. His backpack had exactly the same light colored stripe on the straps as the mangled one shown after the blast.

Sharke on April 18, 2013 at 11:25 AM

What a miserable mess this whole thing has been. If a Repub were in office right now Michaael Moore would already be starting a scathing documentary on it. What the heck is REALLY going on?

Jack_Burton on April 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Losing confidence in the FBI by the hour…

mjbrooks3 on April 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I would think that anyone who received injuries would be, at the least, a potential witness.

Limerick on April 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Heh, especially if the burns were on his hands.

petefrt on April 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM

If innocent people are being fingered by some in the media it is one more reason why they should release the photos of whom they think are the “possible” suspects ASAP.

Yep.

Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Nope. It’s not the job of law enforcement to correct the mistakes of the media. LE’s job is to catch the bad guys. The BPD and FBI know what to do to catch bad guys. The amateur sleuths and know-nothing press need to step back and let LE do their jobs.

joejm65 on April 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM

I’m 99% sure they’re just extra security at the event.

Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Which is *why* they look so odd – trying to blend in, yet still be professional. It’s why we could spot the Secret Service guys when Bush pere came to our graduation – even the one pretending to be grounds maintenance. They all looked … odd.

GWB on April 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The Blaze:

Sources tell TheBlaze that the Saudi national is set to be deported on “security and related grounds.” His visa also has been revoked. Below is some of the information that has been communicated to us:
1. One source at the FBI and another at the Saudi Embassy referred to the student as connected to an important Saudi family.
2. An “event” was created on this guy three days ago. An event is a file. The file contains his deportation record and the reason he is being deported. According to ICE the reason is under section 212 3B — “Security and related grounds” – “Terrorist activities”
3. His visa has been revoked.
4. The FBI said a file was started “just in case he was found to be connected to the crime,” however, the file shows he was scheduled to be deported. This was not a precaution, it was in “orders.”
5. One source said they believe a “voluntary” departure has been signed — that means the Saudi Student could be out of the country as early as today.
6. The file was immediately classified. We believe the deportation order will be classified as well — requiring a FOIA to get it.
7. The story was going to be “he wanted to go home,” however he was actually being deported.
8. Our source said the FBI believes the Saudi student is tied to 2 to 3 more people.
9. Our source said this “looks like they were trying to make this a ‘lone wolf’ crime so, the Saudi government would be spared embarrassment and the U.S. would avoid explaining how a terror cell was active when we had AQ on the run.” [bold added]

petefrt on April 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

If anyone out there heard the interview w/ Joel Cheatwood ( sp ) on Beck this morning you would damn well
believe this story . The latest was that the deportation may have been revoked .
This thing stunk to high heaven after the FBI put the stop on the Boston police yesterday afternoon .
You think tha Justice Dept is involved ? What about o meeting w/ the Saudi ambassador yesterday ?
Oh ya , that was unscheduled . Read it on Drudge .
These people make me sick !
Thanks petefrt .

Lucano on April 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM

What a miserable mess this whole thing has been. If a Repub were in office right now Michaael Moore would already be starting a scathing documentary on it. What the heck is REALLY going on?
Jack_Burton on April 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Mcveigh was arrested for driving without a license plate, right? Seems like law enforcement has to get really lucky with this stuff to make an arrest.

happytobehere on April 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Some more info on “blue track suit” from the photos. He’s a runner at a local high school. Posted to facebook that he was going to the police to clear his name.

http://deadspin.com/the-boston-bombing-witch-hunt-bags-another-innocent-kid-476001019?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

AngusMc on April 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM

I really hope that’s a crock.

ElectricPhase on April 18, 2013 at 11:05 AM

No, it’s not a crock, it’s a pressure cooker. Sheesh, haven’t you been paying att… oh. never mind……….

GWB on April 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM

The only curious aspect is that two and a half days later, no one is claiming responsibility…

rbj on April 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

DRONES, that’s why.

And psycho people are learning, unfortunately for the rest of us, that maintaining anonymity as to their deeds increases public dis-ease: it contributes to victims’ fears and insecurity.

Look at any stalker, for example: they thrive (they reap increased ego satisfaction) on the increased insecurity of their victim/s.

Lourdes on April 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM

If the bomb really was in that bag in the fourth photo here,

The redditers have been saying it wasn’t in that bag…

ninjapirate on April 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM

GWB on April 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Well, at least somebody noticed.

ElectricPhase on April 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM

If innocent people are being fingered by some in the media it is one more reason why they should release the photos of whom they think are the “possible” suspects ASAP.

Yep.

Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Disagree. The minute LE does this, the suspects know that they’ve been “made” and that police know their identity. Why tip them off about something like that?

AngusMc on April 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM

The guy who sent the ricin letters is a White Democrat Liberal.

Looks like a real homosexual too.

sentinelrules on April 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM

If the bomb really was in that bag in the fourth photo here, how did it not dislodge the mailbox next to it? It’s a foot away and had enough power to take people’s limbs off. I know mailboxes are sturdy, but that sturdy? The bomb must have been somewhere else nearby, no?

Those mailboxes are steel-bolted down into concrete. Though I agree there should likely be some structural damage to the box itself. On the other hand, since the explosive device was hand-hewn from what I’ve read, and the interior shrapnel also then irregularly packed/distributed, I can understand how the explosion of such spewed out erratically — here, not there, there not there, etc.

Lourdes on April 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM

BTW, people have been attacking the media and reddit for spreading rumors, but it should be the job of the investigators to squash these things a lot sooner…

ninjapirate on April 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM

This time they need to find a fat older White guy wearing a tee shirt saying impeach Obama and long live the tea party…
sandee on April 18, 2013 at 11:09 AM

I was at work that day. Must have been my twin sister.

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

If you look at the photo from the mailbox the story doesnt add up. The fence is wrapped around the mailbox out toward the street as can be seen on the left side of the mailbox. The bag is previously sitting directly in front of the fence by the mailbox.

If the bag in the picture exploded then the fence would have been blown back..not forward.

TheKernel on April 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM

“It doesn’t take a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows…” (pop song of 60s)

The bomb must have been somewhere else nearby, no?

How does a barrier get bent around the mailbox toward the supposed location of the bomb?

rhombus on April 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Aside from The Blaze pointing out that it was NOT a black bag, you have to remember that bullets and explosions do strange things. Look at the untouched windows.

I don’t know much about it but I believe it is called direction of force.

This time they need to find a fat older White guy wearing a tee shirt saying impeach Obama and long live the tea party…

sandee on April 18, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Sounds like a candidate for Capital Murder and Treason to me. We managed to execute Tim Mc. during the Clinton reign.

Since Bob, the liberal guy, on The Five was defending the terror groups lionized in the new Robert Redford movie with comments about people being “railroaded” to jail by our government during the Weather era to stifle dissent, I was waiting for a call for understanding about this blast.

I guess the wind is blowing the wrong way for that right now and the left can really follow that.

IlikedAUH2O on April 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Looks like a real homosexual too.
sentinelrules on April 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM

As opposed to an artificial or unreal one?

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Those cats are undercover. The upper body strength alone says they spend a helluva lot of time in training, which is not how any jihadi has ever appeared.

budfox on April 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM

They appear to be LE. But your second point is not true. Some of the 9/11 hijackers spent a lot of time working out at a Gold’s Gym in Maryland, iirc.

happytobehere on April 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM

If innocent people are being fingered by some in the media it is one more reason why they should release the photos of whom they think are the “possible” suspects ASAP.

Yep.

Allahpundit on April 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Disagree. The minute LE does this, the suspects know that they’ve been “made” and that police know their identity. Why tip them off about something like that?

AngusMc on April 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM

I agree with AngusMc. The innocent being fingered is an act of media, not LE (so far). While LE obviously has incentives to keep it’s discovery as quiet as possible.

It’s a hideous wrong that is done to the innocent by media, particularly, but that’s the chaos of the mostly Leftwing seeking their own vain glories or “credit for being first/best/smartest/etc.” without attention to being accurate. Or responsible.

Lourdes on April 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM

I suspected these were not the two guys because the black backpack of “white cap” guy does not match the tattered remains of the backpack after the bomb exploded.

The Rogue Tomato on April 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM

I get the feeling that the two saw themselves in the pic and hauled azz to the nearest stationhouse.

katy the mean old lady on April 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

As opposed to an artificial or unreal one?

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM

The one that likes to hang around public parks looking at little boys play.

sentinelrules on April 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Aside from The Blaze pointing out that it was NOT a black bag

This “point” is foolishly made.

BECAUSE though obviously brown (not black) in the photo taken prior to the explosion, that device (brown) could very well have been CONTAINED IN or TRANSPORTED IN within a BLACK bag or other container.

Track in a black bag containing a brown device, remove brown device from black bag, leave brown (explosive) device.

Lourdes on April 18, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Mcveigh was arrested for driving without a license plate, right? Seems like law enforcement has to get really lucky with this stuff to make an arrest.

happytobehere on April 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Correct. LE needs some luck to go along with a lot of hard work. Justice isn’t a bag of microwave popcorn, 2 minutes and done, and it’s not a mini-series with an ending that wraps everything up with a neat bow at an advertised day and hour. This could take time, and it would be really nice if LE didn’t have to compete with the media and spend precious time refuting absurd theories made by people who learned everything they know about detective work by watching Law & Order reruns.

joejm65 on April 18, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Nope. It’s not the job of law enforcement to correct the mistakes of the media. LE’s job is to catch the bad guys. The BPD and FBI know what to do to catch bad guys. The amateur sleuths and know-nothing press need to step back and let LE do their jobs.

joejm65 on April 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Except that the LE investigators say they have photos of “possible” suspects and some in the media have said they were shown the photos by investigators, who were told not to show them and not to describe them. That’s ridiculous.

The investigators should have either not said they have they photos in which the have identified “possible” suspects or they should have released the ones they have as soon as they started passing them around to media people.

And let’s not forget that LE works for the people. If they cannot get their media liaison act together they need to just shut up and do their job and not talk to the media unless they have something they want the media to report.

farsighted on April 18, 2013 at 11:45 AM

I know mailboxes are sturdy, but that sturdy?

Hell yes, they’re that sturdy. Built like little bank vaults. Heavy-gauge steel, riveted all ’round the joints. Very secure tamper-resistant door, and of course it has a strong lock. What goes in those boxes is potentially valuable, they’ve been building post boxes like that for decades. The bomb, while plenty deadly due to the shrapnel it contained, was relatively small.

Archer on April 18, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Could these two men be employees of Craft International? I know I got this info from infowars, but several pictures were circulated yesterday showing numerous suspects carrying large backpacks some of them ME in appearance and two of them having been almost certainly id’d as employees of private military security firm Craft International.

What exactly were they doing there, if this is even slightly true?

jaimo on April 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Aside from The Blaze pointing out that it was NOT a black bag

This “point” is foolishly made.

BECAUSE though obviously brown (not black) in the photo taken prior to the explosion, that device (brown) could very well have been CONTAINED IN or TRANSPORTED IN within a BLACK bag or other container.

Track in a black bag containing a brown device, remove brown device from black bag, leave brown (explosive) device.

Lourdes on April 18, 2013 at 11:43 AM

And since remains of a or some black backpacks were found after the explosion event/s, it could easily be explained as having been around the brown device but pushed down around it, like a pair of pants on a set of legs (around them, then pushed down around the ankles, or, in this case, down around the explosive device, scrunched down around it to expose the device but leaving the black bag around it’s base.

Lourdes on April 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

those two guys never seemed suspicious. they clearly looked like runners, not just their outfit but their body type and stature as well. this ridiculous witch hunt needs to end.

sesquipedalian on April 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

The bomb obviously went off very near the mailbox hence all the black marks and blood on the ground.
Also note the tree did not get blown down, nor any of the fences seem to be too damaged.
Maybe the blast of the bomb went up (the lid was found on the roof of a building). If the bomber would have “aimed” it in different direction the carnage could have been worse.

albill

One piece of railing does appear to be bend around the mailbox. Plus the mailbox seems to have been completely undamaged. Maybe it would not have been knocked off, but unscathed? Seems odd. I’m kinda guessing it was behind the railing.

Zaggs on April 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Could these two men be employees of Craft International? I know I got this info from infowars, but several pictures were circulated yesterday showing numerous suspects carrying large backpacks some of them ME in appearance and two of them having been almost certainly id’d as employees of private military security firm Craft International.

What exactly were they doing there, if this is even slightly true?

jaimo on April 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM

I wonder about that, too: why the heavy packs, what would anyone need to carry with them of such weight and bulk to view a marathon? It’s a curious equiping of several photographed and needs some explanaton.

Lourdes on April 18, 2013 at 11:48 AM

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