Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on April 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

Several dozen tea party members demonstrated outside some of Rubio’s Florida offices on Tuesday to protest the comprehensive immigration bill that Rubio and seven Senate colleagues announced this week, which includes a path to citizenship for up to 11 million immigrants in the country illegally.

At one event in Palm Beach Gardens protesters held signs reading, “Stop the Senate!!” and “No Amnesty for Undocumented and Illegal.” Rubio, elected with strong tea party support, has been considered an instrumental lawmaker in the development of the 844-page immigration proposal.

“We’re not condemning Senator Rubio, but we’re concerned about the direction his immigration bill is going, and especially about the fact that there was no public input,” said Jim McGovern, 65, a member of The Martin 9/12 Committee, a tea party group. “There was no debate. This was all done behind closed doors. This violated his campaign promise saying he would support no bill that took more than 25 pages to describe.”

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“Over the course of the next week, the Senate Judiciary Committee will hold two hearings on a forthcoming, bipartisan proposal to reform the Nation’s broken immigration system,” Leahy said in a statement. “I look forward to reviewing the bill, holding prompt hearings on the legislation, and proceeding to debating and marking up legislation on this important issue.”…

Sessions was dubious about the hearing announcement Monday.

“Chairman Leahy’s decision to now hold two hearings in two days — on one Friday, one on Monday — is only further proof of the Majority’s desire to rush this bill with minimum public scrutiny,” he said in a statement. “We are talking about legislation that will impact virtually every aspect of our society, reshape our entire immigration system, introduce at least 30 million new foreign workers into the economy, and directly impact every single American worker and taxpayer. … Something is truly broken in Washington when the people, the law enforcement officers who protect them, and the people’s representatives, have less time to review the bill than the special interests who helped write it.”

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To recap, in order to get immediate legal status, the only trigger the Obama administration would have to meet is the submission of two strategies to Congress. That’s it. Just a plan for border security. And then, in order for those with legal status to become citizens, DHS must claim that the border is secure. That’s it. There is no way for Congress or a private citizen to challenge a DHS claim that the border is secure. And even if DHS did admit the border was not secure, all that happens is the creation of a Border Commission whose only power is to issue a report on how DHS should spend another $2 billion. No actual border security, our border fence, must be achieved.

None of these “triggers” assures the border will be secure in any way. Any future Democratic administration could simply say the border was secure, regardless of what the facts on the ground are, and U.S. citizens would have no way to hold them accountable.

As NBC Latino reports, “Despite the insistence of tying a path to citizenship to border security, the bill does not use triggers, but instead establishes border security ‘goals.’”

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Napolitano has to certify that the Department of Homeland Security is catching nine out of ten of them — a calculation that starts with that total number of illegal crossing attempts.

That’s where the confusion will come in. New ways of surveying the border have shown that the Department has greatly underestimated the number of people attempting to cross any given part of the border. Experimental programs with the new drone-based Vader surveillance system have shown that at least twice as many illegal immigrants crossed the border in some areas as were apprehended. That means the government, which thought it had a pretty high apprehension rate, was actually catching less than 50 percent of illegal crossers.

So now, if the new 90 percent standard becomes law, how would the effectiveness rate be calculated? Would it be 90 percent of the old, pre-Vader estimates of illegal immigrants crossing the border? If so, that would likely mean that in fact the U.S. would be apprehending far less than 90 percent of those actually crossing the border. Or would it be 90 percent of up-to-date Vader-generated numbers, which would suggest that U.S. officials are much closer to capturing nearly all the illegal crossers?

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Likewise, the Schumer/Rubio bill requires the Homeland Security secretary to certify that there’s “an electronic exit system at air and sea ports of entry that operates by collecting machine-readable visa or passport information from air and vessel carriers” in order to flush out visa overstayers. But Congress has already required the development of of a biometric entry-exit system (i.e., fingerprints or facial recognition or whatever) rather than the biographic, or paper-based, version the bill calls for. What’s more, current law requires exit-tracking at all entry points, not just airports and seaports, but also land crossings — a requirement passed 17 years ago and re-passed five more times since.

So, the political class has ignored immigration-security requirements passed over the years, and now is promising to water down the requirements it has long ignored. Unbelievable.

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The recycling bins of Senate history are filled with well-intended bills that ran into trouble when scored by the CBO. While among the simplest hurdles, the question of how much a piece of legislation costs might be the most difficult to answer. Senators in the gang of eight say the plan will be budget-neutral, using fees to pay for new spending. “We intend to pay for it with fees and not add a burden on the taxpayers,” McCain said…

“It’s not just about the eight of us, if we can’t sell it to a majority of our conferences, then maybe it’s a product not worthy of having been passed,” Graham said. He was making the point that an ideal product would have broad support from Democratic and Republican conferences in the Senate, rather than being the sort of bill that just barely clears the 60-vote hurdle needed to break an expected filibuster. The Republican members made a pitch to members of their conference Monday evening, drawing encouraging words from McConnell and others…

Suppose the Senate ultimately passes an immigration bill with somewhere around 60 votes. As with the gun legislation, the GOP-led House might have little incentive to take up anything similar to the Senate bill. House Judiciary Chairman Robert W. Goodlatte, R-Va., has signaled he may move immigration legislation via a piece-by-piece approach, rather than an all-encompassing measure favored by the Senate group.

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Three theories about Marco Rubio:

1) He has made a cold-eyed calculation that the approval of big Republican donors and Rupert Murdoch will matter more than the disapproval of talk radio and the conservative activist base;

2) He got played;

3) He was never really that excited about immigration enforcement in the first place: that message was for 2010, and this is now.

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Sharry, the legalization advocate, said he can now see what the negotiators were trying to do on border security.

Rubio can tell conservatives that the border will finally be secured, employers will be required to check the immigration status of their workers, and visa holders will be tracked. But Democrats can say border security benchmarks won’t impede the path to citizenship.

“It is pretty clever,” Sharry acknowledged this week. “They are both right.”

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the AR-15 was banned under the assault-weapons bill in the 90′s

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:58 PM

I know your brain probably barely operates above that of a 5 year old having a temper tantrum, but I encourage you to provide us with any supporting data that gun control or gun bans reduce homicides or violent crime in general. Take your time. We’ll wait.

NotCoach on April 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM

NotCoach on April 18, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Good God!

bazil9 on April 18, 2013 at 12:03 AM

This is the free market at it’s best no? An unsafe company will just go out-of-business after killing a bunch of people! who needs evil gubmint oversight or regulations?

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Maybe they had the same gubment inspectors who kept tracks of Gosnell’s clinic.

Bishop on April 18, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Ahem,I sure do hope,I don’t get Moderated from this Texas
Breaking News Crisis,in,ahem,never-ending updates-:)

canopfor on April 18, 2013 at 12:03 AM

NotCoach on April 18, 2013 at 12:01 AM

had heard it on the radio, having seen it, he and his daughter were quite a long way from it and it blew right at them!

Hope they got away safely…

Scrumpy on April 18, 2013 at 12:03 AM

The Blaze has the goods on Kevin Curtis, the ricin mailer. He’s definitely a strange agent. A Democrat and an Elvis Impersonator, claims to be a Mensa member, and he also comments on HuffPo.

TarheelBen on April 17, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Thus, he’ll be let go, soon.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Bmore, congrats on the frong page gold.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Holy SHI…..man, when that place explodes. Jeebus, like a MOAB going off.

Bishop on April 18, 2013 at 12:05 AM

frong = front

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:05 AM

how many died in Boston w/ IED’s?

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:49 PM

So the Boston Bombers were not American Right Wingers? Please cite for us instances of rednecks using such devices, as opposed to overseas Bad Guys. You idiots are so scared to death that this will shame Dear Leader that it’s pathetic. Especially given that it happened in a city that gave O’bama 79% of their vote in 2012, and in a “State” (they refuse to even call themselves a “state”. If a Red State did the same thing, you would call them un-American!) that gave him 61%.

Please be sure to teach that to your gullible niece and nephew tomorrow morning while you are feeding them their Cocoa Puffs and making them watch Mika on MSNBC.

DB-

Del Dolemonte on April 18, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Wow. DBear anxiously awaits the next mass shooting. Thats sick.

SparkPlug on April 17, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Of course he’s sick.

He’s a leftist/liberal.

Liberalism is a mental disease. (leftism/progressivism/whatever they’re calling it today)

Solaratov on April 18, 2013 at 12:06 AM

canopfor on April 18, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Quit worrying. AP is with his beer and the cats.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Oh, okay. So then the bill could’ve stopped it then?

rogerb on April 17, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Thanks for answering the question.

rogerb on April 17, 2013 at 11:53 PM

the AR-15 was banned under the assault-weapons bill in the 90′s

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:58 PM

 
We’re talking about the NEXT shooting. The one you said was inevitable.
 

Did you really just admit that you’re looking forward to the next mass shooting?
 
rogerb on April 17, 2013 at 11:29 PM

 
nope, what I said was that it was inevitable and it will be all on you guys
 
DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:32 PM

 
Are you now saying the bill wasn’t worthless?

rogerb on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

TxAnn56 on April 17, 2013 at 11:57 PM

I have a new one coming together on stink foot Rubio. Yes it involves sombreros. Lol! ; )

Bmore on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

When you and your friends agree to background checks for women to have abortions, I’ll be more than happy to support universal background checks for guns…because, like, ya know, Second Amendment rights are not any less important than those ‘specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights [that] have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life.’

Resist We Much on April 17, 2013 at 11:58 PM

and what in her background would determine if a woman could not have an abortion?

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/130328/oklahoma-urges-hiv-testing-7000-dentist-patients

Let’s ban dentistry because of this one bad dentist! Just like that one bad doctor Gasnell you guys keep whining about should ban all abortions!

Where’s the 50 HA stories about this bad dentist?

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Oh my gosh, first photo -> https://twitter.com/EcheMadubuike/status/324723620234551296

Lourdes on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Thank you. It was a nice feeling to have two golds up at the same time, one after the other. Both women I admire greatly. ; )

Bmore on April 18, 2013 at 12:08 AM

and what in her background would determine if a woman could not have an abortion?

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/130328/oklahoma-urges-hiv-testing-7000-dentist-patients

Let’s ban dentistry because of this one bad dentist! Just like that one bad doctor Gasnell you guys keep whining about should ban all abortions!

Where’s the 50 HA stories about this bad dentist?

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

I know your brain probably barely operates above that of a 5 year old having a temper tantrum, but I encourage you to provide us with any supporting data that gun control or gun bans reduce homicides or violent crime in general. Take your time. We’ll wait.

NotCoach on April 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM

NotCoach on April 18, 2013 at 12:08 AM

the AR-15 was banned under the assault-weapons bill in the 90′s

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:58 PM

It wouldn’t be now. Why? Heller.

The Heller decision said that “dangerous and unusual weapons which are not in the common usage” can be regulated or banned by the government. It said that there was an individual right to bear arms; the Second Amendment “extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,” (p 8); the handgun bans “amounted to a prohibition of an ENTIRE CLASS OF ‘ARMS’ that is overwhelmingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.”

Thus it ruled invalid the District’s requirement “that firearms in the home be rendered and kept inoperable at all times,” noting that doing so “makes it impossible for citizens to use them for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional.” (The holding in Heller was applied to the states in McDonald v City of Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010).)

Dangerous:

The AR-15 is the #1 rifle sold in the United States. It is no more dangerous than handguns. In fact, it kills FAR less. In 2011, 72.5% of all gun-related homicides were committed using handguns. In 2011, 3.8% (323) of ALL gun-related homicides in 2011 committed with rifles of ALL KINDS, INCLUDING “ASSAULT RIFLES” LIKE AR-15s.

Unusual:

There is NOTHING unusual about AR-15-style rifles…unless one is afraid of black, skeery, plastic thingies.

Don’t believe me? Then, look at the pictures of these two guns and ask yourself, “Does one really look that much more ‘dangerous, unusual and uncommon’ than the other?”

Not banned under the 1994 AWB

Banned under the 1994 AWB

Both are AR-15-pattern rifles that came off the same assembly line, fire the exact same ammunition, and use the same magazines….BUT the rifle on the bottom has a small bit of metal under the front sight to which a bayonet could attach and a small vented tube on the end of the barrel that redirects unburned gases.

Uncommon:

Really? AR-15s are uncommon? Since when?

In 2009, it was estimated that there were 3,261,725 of AR-15s – alone, not just AR-15-style – in the United States…and the homicide rate was 5.0.

In contrast, in 1994 when the original Assault Weapons Ban went into effect, there were approximately 1.5 million AR-15s in the United States and the homicide rate was 9.0.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:08 AM

Hey Scrumpy and Jackie and Sophie…..I posted something you might like………he’s from Missouri and used to hang out at the radio station I worked at in Rolla sometimes in the ’70s…….

williamg on April 18, 2013 at 12:09 AM

williamg on April 18, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Good evening william! That was so stirring! Wonderful :-)

Scrumpy on April 18, 2013 at 12:09 AM

O/T My, my, a staffer for Valerie Jarrett signed in the Progress Kentucky fellow implicated in the Mitch McConnell taping.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/progress-kentucky-director-visited-white-house-90235.html?hp=r5

They’re all operatives using the WH for political purposes.

onlineanalyst on April 18, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Maybe they had the same gubment inspectors who kept tracks of Gosnell’s clinic.

Bishop on April 18, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Bishop:

Terrific,The Czar of Government Plumbing is Unionized
and rife of Corruption,just freaggin great!!:)

canopfor on April 18, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Does dentistry normal consist of pulling a child from a womb and chopping though its spinal cord, because if so I need to have a talk with my dentist.

Bishop on April 18, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Bmore on April 18, 2013 at 12:08 AM

Congrats on the Golds!!! You rock! :-)

Scrumpy on April 18, 2013 at 12:10 AM

This is the free market at it’s best no? An unsafe company will just go out-of-business after killing a bunch of people! who needs evil gubmint oversight or regulations?

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM

…you Gosnell’s press secretary?

how very Christian

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:33 PM

…….…what was I asking?

KOOLAID2 on April 17, 2013 at 11:35 PM

………………..…still waiting!

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2013 at 12:01 AM

…you’re going too many directions and standing at the urinal while shitting your pants!…c o n c e n t r a t e …it’s been a half hour…

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2013 at 12:10 AM

the AR-15 was banned under the assault-weapons bill in the 90′s

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:58 PM

.
It was banned from sale to anyone who didn’t have a class III FFL.

Anyone who already owned one was “grandfathered” in.

But the question about the murders at Sandy Hook Elementary School being carried out with the AR-15 still has not been satisfactorily addressed.

Local Police claim it was four handguns that were found in the School, and we have video of the Police removing the AR-15 from the trunk of the vehicle Adam Lanzaa used.

listens2glenn on April 18, 2013 at 12:10 AM

The VA Tech shooter was given the option of anger management rather than a record when he acted out enough to have the police involved. I am sure they thought they were helping a nice young man with a promising future from ruining his life.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Actually, the VA tech shooter had some kind of adjudication where a judge ordered anger management of some kind, if I remember correctly.

However, unless its a response to a conviction for a criminally violent act or threat, no one should have their second-amendment rights infringed on. Otherwise, you are opening the door to all kinds of shenanigans by the feds.

I guess the bottom line is that a judge should never be able to take away second amendment rights for any reason; if its that important, a jury should be able to decide.

RINO in Name Only on April 18, 2013 at 12:11 AM

Let’s ban dentistry because of this one bad dentist! Just like that one bad doctor Gasnell you guys keep whining about should ban all abortions!

Where’s the 50 HA stories about this bad dentist?

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Give it up, Kid. Cosmo Kramer did that bit nearly 20 years ago.

F-

Del Dolemonte on April 18, 2013 at 12:11 AM

Does dentistry normal consist of pulling a child from a womb and chopping though its spinal cord, because if so I need to have a talk with my dentist.
 
Bishop on April 18, 2013 at 12:10 AM

 
I’m trying to recall a national discussion on whether or not you should be shown x-rays of the tooth to be pulled.

rogerb on April 18, 2013 at 12:12 AM

Barney Franks said that Boston was lucky to have first help…insinuating that red state ‘cuts’ would not have been so good…leftism is clinically codeable.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:12 AM

Good night HA. Too much sadness in Texas.

KCB on April 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Where’s the 50 HA stories about this bad dentist?

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Try to consider this carefully. Quiet your resentments and needs to assert contrariness for the sake of being oppositional. Consider this carefully:

abortion is intensely offensive to many because it involves the intentional ruination of defenseless human life.

It destroys life. Intentionally. Without accountability for the life it ends. Defenseless human life. Abortion takes that.

A dentist, to try and use your “alternative,” can throw objects at an assailant, can run away, can plot and scheme, can hire help to protect him or herself, can slam a door, build a barricade, pick up a weapon of choice and use it against an assailant, can take a myriad of actions to defend his or her life, can behave as cruelly and with as much evil as any other individual, or, in other words, can exercise intent to act however he/she wants independently of anyone else, BUT…

a unborn human being cannot do any of that, nor can one born alive after an abortion attempt who is brutally ki**ed by another human being.

Abortion involves the ultimate victimization and cruelty upon human life that lacks all options of self defense.

Lourdes on April 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Woo-Hoo ahem,a Texas Thread!

canopfor on April 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Did you really just admit that you’re looking forward to the next mass shooting?

rogerb on April 17, 2013 at 11:29 PM

nope, what I said was that it was inevitable and it will be all on you guys

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Are you now saying the bill wasn’t worthless?

rogerb on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

 
Thanks for answering the question.

rogerb on April 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

and what in her background would determine if a woman could not have an abortion?

Mental and/or emotional issues. Like I said, if you want to burden my Second Amendment rights, then you should be willing to burden the ‘right to an abortion.’ I mean, what’s the problem? Huh??

Let’s ban dentistry because of this one bad dentist! Just like that one bad doctor Gasnell you guys keep whining about should ban all abortions!

Where’s the 50 HA stories about this bad dentist?

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Who said anything about banning anything? I didn’t.

I think the story about the dentist should be covered. Of course, he is not on trial for MURDER and facing the death penalty nor has he been called ‘probably the most successful serial killer in the history of the world’ either, which Gosnell has and by Nightline’s Terry Moran, who is NOT a libertarian or conservative.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Jackie, above was just one small peeve with the good one.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:14 AM

School buses being brought in to help evacuate residents from the devastated town of West, Texas – @KHOU

1 min ago by editor

Video purportedly showing explosion at fertilizer plant in West, Texas -Youtube’s zidyboby

3 mins ago from http://www.youtube.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on April 18, 2013 at 12:00 AM

People from Midloathian felt it…thought it was an earthquake.

They are trying to clear I35 and have focused the evacuation to 5+ block area around the plant so far and told everyone to stay indoors because of the fumes.

workingclass artist on April 18, 2013 at 12:14 AM

RINO in Name Only on April 18, 2013 at 12:11 AM

Now that I think of it, though, if someone is dangerous enough to have their second-amendment rights taken away, for any reason, what are they doing out of jail or mental institution in the first place?

RINO in Name Only on April 18, 2013 at 12:14 AM

KCB on April 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Good night Ken… yes so much sadness… be brave :-)

God Bless!

Scrumpy on April 18, 2013 at 12:15 AM

I never had to be counseled for hours on end after getting my teeth cleaned, and the worst thing a janitor pulled from the drain was some old dental floss and some of that gooey crap the dentist puts on your gums before giving you Novocaine.

Bishop on April 18, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Good night HA. Too much sadness in Texas.

KCB on April 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Too much all over. This chaos might become the norm, unfortunately.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Nite Ken

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Bmore is more than a graphic artist. He is a political satirist except his palette is a canvas.

SparkPlug on April 18, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Now that it’s been brought up, is the Gosnell case about hygiene? I heard it misreported if so.

rogerb on April 18, 2013 at 12:18 AM

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:49 PM

So, you don’t know anything about IEDs, either.

Why don’t you talk to some vets of Iraq and Afghanistan? They’ll fill you in on their lethality.

Damn! Leftist lickspittles are really stupid.

Solaratov on April 18, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 11:59 PM

My pleasure, Schadenfreude. :) Good evening. :)

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:19 AM

Solaratov on April 18, 2013 at 12:18 AM

DB is just another leftist corpse-counter, one of those creepy types who tally up the bodies at a crime scene and then compare it to other crime scenes to make a judgement on whether the number is acceptable or not.

“Only” 3 people died in Boston but 22 died in Newtown, therefore Boston is no big deal while Newtown is worthy of burning the Constitution.

Bishop on April 18, 2013 at 12:21 AM

RINO in Name Only on April 18, 2013 at 12:11 AM

You and I both know that if someone wants a gun that they can’t get legally be it from age, legally disqualified or broke, they will get it. I’m a little leery of a single person, physician or judge having the power to disqualify someone from a legal purchase but the VA Tech kid had a pretty well documented history of bizarre behavior. I don’t have any easy answers and that’s why these bills shouldn’t pass. Enforce the the existing laws.

Cindy Munford on April 18, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Yes, I, too, find that particular term irksome.

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:22 AM

“Fires are under control but…We need your prayers…” – Mayor of West, Texas at live press conference. – WBAP

workingclass artist on April 18, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Bishop on April 18, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Every time there is a tragic loss of life we can rest assured DBear will be right there in the vulture position.

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:24 AM

Where’s the 50 HA stories about this bad dentist?

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Why? Dentistry has a beneficial function.

As do guns.

Chuck Schick on April 18, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Idiocy in America

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:25 AM

how many died in Boston w/ IED’s?

how many died in Aurora w/ guns?

which is more unreliable?

Um, the pressure cooker bomb has been used in hundreds of bombings in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and elsewhere to great effect.

is a pressure cooker designed to kill?

is a gun designed to kill?

either way thanks for answering the question

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Is a car designed to kill? You probably don’t want to go banning things based on design (and, by the way, the gun is designed for self-defence, too):

42,000: Number of deaths from car accidents, according to the National Safety Council.

2,500: Number of deaths from choking annually, according to the National Safety Council.

2,700: Number of deaths from fires annually, according to the National Safety Council.

25,000: Number of deaths from falls annually, according to the National Safety Council.

39,000: Number of deaths from poisoning – overwhelmingly caused by overdoses - annually, according to the National Safety Council.

5,000: Annual number of pedestrian fatalities, according to the Centers For Disease Control.

2,000: Annual number of deaths from drowning with the swimming pool and bathtub being the most frequent places where drownings occur.

323: The total number of homicides committed with ALL TYPES OF RIFLES, INCLUDING “ASSAULT RIFLES,” in the United States in 2011.

496: The total number of homicides committed with hammers or other blunt objects in the United States in 2011.

As an aside, Jonesboro, Columbine, Paducah, and Springfield happened when the last AWB was in effect.

In 1986, concerning CCW/CHL laws, there were: 1 UNRESTRICTED, 8 SHALL issue, 26 MAY issue, and 15 NO issue states.

The homicide rate was 8.6 per 100,000 inhabitants and there were an estimated 620.1 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 1986.

In 2011, concerning CCW/CHL laws, there were: 4 UNRESTRICTED, 37 SHALL Issue, 8 MAY Issue, and 1 NO Issue states.

The homicide rate was 4.7 per 100,000 inhabitants and there were an estimated 386.3 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2011.

Who would rather live in 1986 when most people couldn’t carry firearms?

Gun Control By The Numbers

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

good thing Texas has no “strangling regulations”

This is the free market at it’s best no? An unsafe company will just go out-of-business after killing a bunch of people! who needs evil gubmint oversight or regulations?

DBear on April 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM

What’s the matter, douchey? Unhappy that you can’t go wade in the blood and dance among the bodies?

Maybe your pal gosnell could get you a couple of fresh fetuses to take home and play with. Sleep with them like teddy bears.

Solaratov on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Good evening. :)

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:19 AM

Evening, again :)

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Note how one leftist idiot is on ‘duty’ every night.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Chuck Schick on April 18, 2013 at 12:25 AM

As awful as that dentist is… he didn’t rip children from their mothers bodies and murder them. He’s guilty of criminal negligence, not serial murders.

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Maybe your pal gosnell could get you a couple of fresh fetuses to take home and play with. Sleep with them like teddy bears.

Solaratov on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

I think you are thinking of Rick Santorum

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:29 AM

Who would rather live in 1986 when most people couldn’t carry firearms?

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Ask the people in Newtown, Aurora, Chicago…..

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Note how one leftist idiot is on ‘duty’ every night.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

I am clocking out, my shift here at OFA is over WHOOPS gave my self away lol

gnight Hot Gas

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Let’s ban dentistry because of this one bad dentist! Just like that one bad doctor Gasnell you guys keep whining about should ban all abortions!

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

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I’m pretty sure everyone here who is opposed to abortion now, was opposed to it long before they heard the name Dr Kermit Gosnell.

We already knew what the truth was, about a developing baby person in the womb.

This case just threw out into the general public some RAW facts, that can’t be denied by any or all of your false rationalizations.

Abortion was / is already WRONG. The testimonial evidence presented in this SENSATIONAL case is too overwhelming in it’s PROOF, that a developing baby person in the womb is in fact a living person.
Some woman choosing for the conceived life within her to NOT to be a “developing baby person” BE DAMNED.

listens2glenn on April 18, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Folks, DB just doesn’t get it, don’t waste your time on someone with only one operating brain cell…

Scrumpy on April 18, 2013 at 12:32 AM

I am clocking out, my shift here at OFA is over WHOOPS gave my self away lol

gnight Hot Gas

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:31 AM

I know your brain probably barely operates above that of a 5 year old having a temper tantrum, but I encourage you to provide us with any supporting data that gun control or gun bans reduce homicides or violent crime in general. Take your time. We’ll wait.

NotCoach on April 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM

NotCoach on April 18, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Poor little bear.

Bmore on April 18, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Ask the people in Newtown, Aurora, Chicago…..

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM

I know your brain probably barely operates above that of a 5 year old having a temper tantrum, but I encourage you to provide us with any supporting data that gun control or gun bans reduce homicides or violent crime in general. Take your time. We’ll wait.

NotCoach on April 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM

NotCoach on April 18, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Scrumpy on April 18, 2013 at 12:32 AM

DB left because the individual realized that he/she had crossed a line. That was a hasty retreat.

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Is a car designed to kill? You probably don’t want to go banning things based on design (and, by the way, the gun is designed for self-defence, too):

42,000: Number of deaths from car accidents, according to the National Safety Council.

2,500: Number of deaths from choking annually, according to the National Safety Council.

2,700: Number of deaths from fires annually, according to the National Safety Council.

25,000: Number of deaths from falls annually, according to the National Safety Council.

39,000: Number of deaths from poisoning – overwhelmingly caused by overdoses – annually, according to the National Safety Council.

5,000: Annual number of pedestrian fatalities, according to the Centers For Disease Control.

2,000: Annual number of deaths from drowning with the swimming pool and bathtub being the most frequent places where drownings occur.

323: The total number of homicides committed with ALL TYPES OF RIFLES, INCLUDING “ASSAULT RIFLES,” in the United States in 2011.

496: The total number of homicides committed with hammers or other blunt objects in the United States in 2011.

As an aside, Jonesboro, Columbine, Paducah, and Springfield happened when the last AWB was in effect.

In 1986, concerning CCW/CHL laws, there were: 1 UNRESTRICTED, 8 SHALL issue, 26 MAY issue, and 15 NO issue states.

The homicide rate was 8.6 per 100,000 inhabitants and there were an estimated 620.1 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 1986.

In 2011, concerning CCW/CHL laws, there were: 4 UNRESTRICTED, 37 SHALL Issue, 8 MAY Issue, and 1 NO Issue states.

The homicide rate was 4.7 per 100,000 inhabitants and there were an estimated 386.3 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2011.

Who would rather live in 1986 when most people couldn’t carry firearms?

Gun Control By The Numbers

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

May you live to be 1000 years old.

Chuck Schick on April 18, 2013 at 12:34 AM

I really hate leftist. Progs. I really don’t see how it doesn’t come to a head.

We lost our ability to avoid Civil war when we lost the educational system.

It’s coming.

We are raising idiots. No concept of history. So we repeat it.

(ps- glad to hear Scrumpy is feeling better)

wolly4321 on April 18, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Who would rather live in 1986 when most people couldn’t carry firearms?

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Ask the people in Newtown, Aurora, Chicago…..

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Chicago. Harshest gun control laws. And, they work so well. Idiot.
Newtown and Aurora, if someone had a gun in that front office, you might have only one death. Adam Lanza, and Aurora, James Holmes went to the only theatre that didn’t allow conceal carry.
You might want to be a victim, but I want a fighting chance.

RovesChins on April 18, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Ask the people in Newtown, Aurora, Chicago…..

DBag on April 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Why bother? The bill was worthless.

Your words.

Chuck Schick on April 18, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Who would rather live in 1986 when most people couldn’t carry firearms?

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

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Ask the people in Newtown, Aurora, Chicago…..

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM

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Ask them what ?

1986 laws wouldn’t have stopped someone like Adam Lanzaa.

listens2glenn on April 18, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Teach Your Children- CSN&Y

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:38 AM

DBear and his ilk are in a lather because a great many on the LEFT didn’t support this gun legislation, either.

Gallup polled: Only 4% of Americans think that gun legislation is an issue.

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Just like that one bad doctor Gasnell you guys keep whining about should ban all abortions!

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM

So, you’re saying that gosnell is the ONLY ‘bad’ abortionist?

Don’t suppose you’ve heard, then, about the abattoir abortion mill shut down a couple of days ago in Deleware.

(Say…isn’t slo-joe biden from Delaware?)

Solaratov on April 18, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Who would rather live in 1986 when most people couldn’t carry firearms?

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Ask the people in Newtown, Aurora, Chicago…..

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Do you want me to list those from those cities that disagree with you?

Look, Jared Loughner, James Holmes, and Adam Lanza did NOT have CCW permits. The law didn’t stop them from carrying a gun and killing people.

Why don’t you ask the people at Clackamas Mall? Or, the people at Pearl River High School?

The murder rates were MUCH higher BEFORE CCW laws spread.

Isn’t is ironic that the HOMICIDE RATE IS AT THE LOWEST IT HAS BEEN SINCE THE 1960s, according to the Department of Justice, and 49 states now have CCW laws enabling citizens to carry the means to protect themselves (soon all 50 will given Illinois’ law has been held unconstitutional by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals) and, yet, the Assault Weapons Ban a/k/a The Prohibition On Certain Guns With Cosmetic Changes That Make Them Look Skeery And Are Painted Skeery (And Racist!) Black Act EXPIRED EIGHT YEARS AGO?

Chart of the Day: United States Homicide Rate 1885-2012

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Just for you, DB. Made my day.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Santorum,,,

It’s called a wake, Dbear.

Pretty sick to make fun of that.

It really is.

wolly4321 on April 18, 2013 at 12:41 AM

listens2glenn on April 18, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Didn’t stop Columbine.

Cindy Munford on April 18, 2013 at 12:41 AM

hatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Hopefully somthing sunk in Jackie…

Just that I cannot abide what these troll have to say and I get so irate I can’t think straight and don’t say anything…

Scrumpy on April 18, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:40 AM

LOL! Portrait of a lame duck.

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:42 AM

employers will be required to check the immigration status of their workers

Current immigration law: the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986:

All employees, citizens and noncitizens, hired after November 6, 1986 and working in the United States must complete a Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.

All means all.
Must means must.

There are no exceptions made for government employees in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.

Is the President above the law?

The only document that can prove Employment Eligibility for the office of President (which, per the U.S. Constitution, requires that one be not only a citizen but also a natural born citizen) is an

Original or certified copy of birth certificate issued by a State, county, municipal authority, or territory of the United States bearing an official seal

Regardless of how you think “natural born citizen” should be defined, Obama has not proven that he is in compliance with current immigration law: the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.

Where is Obama’s Form I-9 and the Original or certified copy of birth certificate issued by a State, county, municipal authority, or territory of the United States bearing an official seal?

He must present the hardcopy document (not a multi-layered PDF file on the web) to his employer… We The People!

ITguy on April 18, 2013 at 12:43 AM

wolly4321 on April 18, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Thank you kindly wolly :-)

Scrumpy on April 18, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Gallup: Only 4 percent of Americans think gun control is an important problem

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Yet, the oaf in chief keeps repeating “90%, 90%”, not that he totally ignored the people on Obama’care’.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Scrumpy on April 18, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Nothing anyone can say makes an impression on that troll. There’s an old saying, Scrumpy: You can’t fix stupid.

WC Fields said “Never try to wise up a chump.”

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Ask the people in … Chicago…..

DBear on April 18, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Yeah, ‘cuz gangbangers and drug lords are going to obey the law!

It’s funny how the cities with the most restrictive gun laws have higher homicide, violent crime, and property crime rates than those that don’t. Dontcha think?

We can look at cities in the US where CCW is allowed and compare them with cities where guns have been banned or subjected to onerous burdens.

In 2011, Houston — both the city and the state of Texas have CCW laws — had the lowest crime rate in 50 years. According to FBI crimes statistics, the number of murders in Houston went from 269 in 2010 to 198 in 2011 — a 22% decrease. By contrast, Chicago, which had a gun ban, had 440 murders in 2010.

Houston’s murder rate in 2011 was 3.24 per 100,000 residents while Chicago’s was 16.33 per 100,000 residents. The overall violent crime rate in both cities shows a similar pattern.

Among the nation’s 10 largest cities, each with a population of one million or more, only Philadelphia had higher rates of murder and violent crime than Chicago. It is three times as deadly as New York, although Nanny Doomberg has his own problems given the crime rate is rising in Gotham for the first time in 20 years, and twice as violent as Los Angeles, both of which have strict gun laws although not nearly as draconian as the ones that were in effect in Chicago.

Houston, on the other hand and to the disappointment of gun-grabbers, is one of the safest large cities in America as far as the violent crime, rape and murder rates are concerned.

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:45 AM

LOL! Portrait of a lame duck.

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:42 AM

This is perfect. I love the iowahawk’s work.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:43 AM

That’s the ‘Hollywood Syndrome’. They believe that if they repeat it often enough, it will be believed… and to a leftist… what is believed to be true… is true.

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at

LOL! Perfect. Made me laugh! :)

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:46 AM

May you live to be 1000 years old.

Chuck Schick on April 18, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Yikes!

But thanks!

Resist We Much on April 18, 2013 at 12:47 AM

thatsafactjack on April 18, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Ahhhh but so many here try, so maybe a teensy bit sinks in every now and again…one can but hope!

Scrumpy on April 18, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Looks like someone else will have to bring the potato salad at the Mensa picnic this year.

Cindy Munford on April 18, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Now that was funny.

SparkPlug on April 18, 2013 at 12:47 AM

You and I both know that if someone wants a gun that they can’t get legally be it from age, legally disqualified or broke, they will get it. I’m a little leery of a single person, physician or judge having the power to disqualify someone from a legal purchase but the VA Tech kid had a pretty well documented history of bizarre behavior. I don’t have any easy answers and that’s why these bills shouldn’t pass. Enforce the the existing laws.

Cindy Munford on April 18, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Maybe he did – I don’t remember how bad it was. But if he had really exhibited behavior that was not just bizarre but actually dangerously violent, then he shouldn’t have been out free.

And if it was just bizarre in a “creepy” way, then that’s setting a very bad precedent, and a recipe for all kinds of nonviolent people with things like Aspergers to get their rights taken away for being “weird”.

But like you, I don’t have an easy answer either.

RINO in Name Only on April 18, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Never before had President Barack Obama put the moral force and political muscle of his presidency behind an issue quite this big — and lost quite this badly.

The president, shaken to the core by the massacre of 26 innocents at Sandy Hook Elementary School, broke his own informal “Obama Rule” — of never leaning into an issue without a clear path to victory — first by pushing for a massive gun control package no one expected to pass, and then sticking through it even as he retrenched to a relatively modest bipartisan bill mandating national background checks on gun purchases.

Pure schadendfreude!!! Best news in America.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:47 AM

RWM spanked DBear with her brain.

SparkPlug on April 18, 2013 at 12:48 AM

I actually want it to begin. Let’s get it over with.

At some point I’d like to see an angry mob drag krugman out of a spiderhole.

wolly4321 on April 18, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Heh, the Indignant in Chief

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2013 at 12:50 AM

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