Open thread: Senate gun-control vote-a-rama; Update: Toomey/Manchin fails, 54/46; Update: GOP’s bill fails, 52/48; Update: Assault-weapons ban crushed, 40/60; Update: Reid to pull entire gun bill tomorrow

posted at 3:21 pm on April 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

Barring last-minute schedule changes, the Senate votes on nine, count ‘em nine, amendments to Reid’s gun-control bill starting at 4 p.m. ET. Manchin/Toomey goes first, then comes the GOP’s alternate bill. Cornyn’s bill on concealed-carry reciprocity will follow a bit later, then Feinstein’s assault-weapons ban and a vote on banning high-capacity magazines, among others. If you can’t get C-SPAN 2 on your TV, you can watch it here. With Ayotte and Heitkamp having finished off Manchin-Toomey, the only major bill whose outcome is a mystery right now is the GOP alternative. Will Dems kill that in retaliation and hand Republicans a talking point about opposition to new gun laws being bipartisan, or will they send it to the House on the “something’s better than nothing” theory? Either way, here’s your thread to comment; stand by for updates and the roll call for each vote.

Actually, the real action will come after the votes when Obama and Reid have to somehow manage their rage in the teeth of total failure. Which makes me wonder: Will Reid try to minimize the embarrassment by pulling any of these amendments at the eleventh hour? It’s a tough vote for the Pryors and Landrieus of the Senate. Why force them and make their reelection campaigns harder, be it in the general or the primary? The White House’s goal from the beginning was to try to hold Senate Democrats together so that they could blame any resulting filibusters entirely on the GOP in the midterms, but Heitkamp et al. are on the verge of blowing that strategy up. I take it that’s why Reid’s decided to support the assault-weapons ban now even though he knows it’s doomed. He’s failed badly on gun control and the left won’t be happy about it. The least he can do is vote for their pet amendment.

Update: Toomey/Manchin is kaput, and with it any chances of O and Reid getting something passed. The vote was 54/46; I’ll double-check when the roll is up but it looks from Twitter like Democrats Baucus, Begich, Pryor, and Harry Reid all voted no. (Reid did so for procedural reasons, so that he can move to reconsider the bill later.) McCain and Toomey both voted yes among Republicans and I believe Mark Kirk and Susan Collins were also committed to doing so, which means there must be one other Democrat who voted no. It wasn’t Landrieu; she voted yes, as her constituents in Louisiana will soon be learning. I’ll update when I have the name. In the meantime, the GOP’s replacement bill is next.

Update: Here you go. I forgot that Heitkamp was also a no among the Democrats.

Biden is in the Senate chamber, in the forlorn hope that he’ll be needed to cast a tiebreaking vote.

Update: Scarborough is grumpy:

Update: Highly unlikely that anything will pass today: The GOP alternative to Toomey/Manchin, sponsored by Grassley, Cruz, and Ayotte, among others, fails 52/48. Assuming all Republicans voted yes, that means seven Democrats joined them. The four who voted no on Toomey/Manchin are safe bets; who were the other three? Stay tuned.

Update: Let the 2014 campaign begin continue!

Update: Piers Morgan shows the yanks what a stiff upper lip looks like:

Update: If you thought Scarborough was grumpy, here’s the statement from Bloomberg’s gun-grabber group:

“Today’s vote is a damning indictment of the stranglehold that special interests have on Washington. More than 40 U.S. senators would rather turn their backs on the 90 percent of Americans who support comprehensive background checks than buck the increasingly extremist wing of the gun lobby. Democrats – who are so quick to blame Republicans for our broken gun laws – could not stand united. And Republicans – who are so quick to blame Democrats for not being tough enough on crime – handed criminals a huge victory, by preserving their ability to buy guns illegally at gun shows and online and keeping the illegal trafficking market well-fed. Senators Manchin and Toomey – as well as Majority Leader Reid and Senators Schumer, Kirk, Collins, McCain and others – deserve real credit for coming together around a compromise bill that struck a fair balance, and President Obama and Vice-President Biden deserve credit for their leadership since the Sandy Hook massacre. But even with some bi-partisan support, a common-sense public safety reform died in the U.S. Senate at the hands of those who are more interested in attempting to protect their own political careers – or some false sense of ideological purity – than protecting the lives of innocent Americans. The only silver lining is that we now know who refuses to stand with the 90 percent of Americans – and in 2014, our ever-expanding coalition of supporters will work to make sure that voters don’t forget.”

Update: Here comes the vote on Cornyn’s bill that would force states to recognize concealed-carry permits issued by other states. Chances of passage: Zero.

Update: As expected, Cornyn’s reciprocity amendment failed — but it ended up getting more votes than Toomey/Manchin:

Here comes the assault-weapons ban. Over/under is 51 votes.

Update: Holy cow. The AWB goes down 40/60. Remember a few weeks ago when Reid claimed they didn’t have even 40 votes for it? He wasn’t kidding. They barely ended up with that much.

It’ll be a few minutes before the roll is up, but assuming Republicans voted against it unanimously, that means no fewer than 15 Democrats joined them. Yowza.

Update: Let the recriminations begin: Gun-control lobbyists are already grumbling about Joe Manchin giving up hope for his bill publicly this morning.

Update: If nothing passed today, the original bill’s surely not going to pass tomorrow. Reid bows to reality:

Update: Here’s the roll for the GOP’s alternative bill that failed earlier. Mike Lee ended up voting no with the Democrats; Baucus, Begich, Donnelly, Hagan, Landrieu, McCaskill, Pryor, and Tester voted yes with the GOP. And here’s the roll on Cornyn’s concealed-carry amendment, which ended up with 57 votes. Same Dems voted with the GOP this time too, plus Heinrich, Manchin, and the two Udalls. Still waiting for the AWB roll.

Update: Finally, here’s the roll on the AWB. Just one Republican, Mark Kirk, voted yes. The 16(!) Democrats (including Angus King, a nominal independent) voting no:

Baucus
Begich
Bennet
Donnelly
Hagan
Heinrich
Heitkamp
Johnson
King
Landrieu
Manchin
Pryor
Tester
Udall, M.
Udall, T.
Warner


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Here’s my bet; nothing passes. The Dems have trust in their media lackeys to message the GOP as the continuing ‘Party of No’ no matter HOW many common sense alternatives are presented.

michaelo on April 17, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Let’s see How liberty fairs today..

Galt2009 on April 17, 2013 at 3:25 PM

CCRKBA pulls support for Manchin-Toomey
http://www.examiner.com/article/ccrkba-pulls-support-for-manchin-toomey

The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms announced this morning that it has withdrawn its support for the Manchin-Toomey alternative background check measure because a key amendment for restoration of firearms rights is not being considered.

Galt2009 on April 17, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Posterity is watching, Senators. Don’t make a posterior of yourself.

Midas on April 17, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Blast it! Starting soon, and I don’t even know the rules to the Gun Vote drinking game.

red villain on April 17, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Pass the popcorn

Smoochy32 on April 17, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Since the Boston Carnage was from explosions, why don’t they go after those who glorify explosions, which would be Hollywood?

VorDaj on April 17, 2013 at 3:29 PM

but there are no WMDs, what? Oh never mind.

kirkill on April 17, 2013 at 3:29 PM

At this point, even getting to 51 votes might be difficult for Reid.

Rats leaving the sinking ship.

Chris of Rights on April 17, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Will Dems kill that in retaliation and hand Republicans a talking point about opposition to new gun laws being bipartisan, or will they send it to the House on the “something’s better than nothing” theory?

Of course they’ll kill it. But I don’t know about handing the Republicans a talking point. By now it’s pretty clear that you can’t just hand them a talking point. You have to actually call a press conference and give the talking point for them.

But then no one will report it, so what difference does it make. The Dems and Obama will blame the GOP in any event and everyone in the Media will nod their heads in agreement.

Curtiss on April 17, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Kill this and begin to fire on amnesty.

El_Terrible on April 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Blast it! Starting soon, and I don’t even know the rules to the Gun Vote drinking game.

red villain on April 17, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Rule 27: Admission of ignorance. Drink.

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Put a stake in the heart of this beast.

petefrt on April 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Kill this and begin to fire on amnesty.

El_Terrible on April 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM

You mean RubioEarnesty.

VorDaj on April 17, 2013 at 3:32 PM

By now it’s pretty clear that you can’t just hand them a talking point. You have to actually call a press conference and give the talking point for them.

Curtiss on April 17, 2013 at 3:29 PM

heh

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:32 PM

assault rifle – top off glass
Children – take a sip
Hunting – Take two sips
Clip used instead of magazine- drain glass
automatic instead of semi-automatic Drain half the glass

Drunk in 20 minutes.

michaelo on April 17, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Im glad its dead, but immigration is much more important and more likely to pass the Senate.

Valkyriepundit on April 17, 2013 at 3:33 PM

With the lsm…Reid will get any blame… see no budget for 4 years

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Ted Cruz speaking now. My respect for him grows more every day.

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Actually, the real action will come after the votes when Obama and Reid have to somehow manage their rage in the teeth of total failure.

I’m hoping Reid and Obama step up to separate microphones with black eyes, bloody noses, fat lips, and missing teeth. In the alternative, I’d accept their looking like Scott Farkus in A Christmas Story after Ralphie took care of him.

BuckeyeSam on April 17, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Cruz is OUR Guy! VERY Proud of him!

michaelo on April 17, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Will not get any blame I should say

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM

May those two idiots in the pic go to Hades. What dummies.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Incontinent Reid will burn in hot, hot, hot Hell.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 3:40 PM

If none of these bills actually passes the Senate, the Republicans who voted FOR opening the debate will look smart, by forcing the red-state Democrats to vote on actual bills, and be on record. If they vote for gun control, they risk losing re-election; if some Democrats vote against gun control, then Republicans can claim that opposition to gun control is bipartisan, and not be blamed for filibustering.

Steve Z on April 17, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Get rid of Prior and Landrieu. They are scum, in disguise.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM

WV – get rid of Manchin.

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Since the Boston Carnage was from explosions, why don’t they go after those who glorify explosions, which would be Hollywood?

VorDaj on April 17, 2013 at 3:29 PM

They won’t even dare to mutter any words suggesting banning explosions, the Democrats won’t, because without explosions in film, Hollywood would not exist. Explosions on film are to Hollywood what massive money flow is to the DNC.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM

kill the bill to find out what’s in it

crrr6 on April 17, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Big, big props to the NRA for their handling of this. Perfect? No, but war never goes how you plan.

ebbtide on April 17, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Ted Cruz speaking now. My respect for him grows more every day.

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:36 PM

what’s he sayign?

crrr6 on April 17, 2013 at 3:43 PM

I anticipate Feinstein’s impending legislative add-ons to ban kitchen appliances and all other sharp objects.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Big, big props to the NRA for their handling of this. Perfect? No, but war never goes how you plan.

ebbtide on April 17, 2013 at 3:43 PM

I’d like to think that it was my new life membership that put them over the top ;-)

crrr6 on April 17, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Ted Cruz speaking now. My respect for him grows more every day.

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:36 PM

what’s he sayign?

crrr6 on April 17, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Yes, what’s he saying?

DITTO as to the growing respect factor as to Ted Cruz.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Did the Boston bomber(s) use gun powder for their explosives…if so, that will be the next target. No one “needs” to load their own ammo…or buy 1000′s of rounds that they could steal the gunpowder from.

b4itsover on April 17, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Is Schumer cross-eyed?

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:46 PM

ebbtide on April 17, 2013 at 3:43 PM

I’d like to think that it was my new life membership that put them over the top ;-)

crrr6 on April 17, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Whatever happened to “crr6″? I like crrr6 so much better.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Is Schumer cross-eyed?

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:46 PM

His brain’s in backwards. It makes his eyes function similarly.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Schumer is trying to discredit Cruz as “fearmongoring” about the govt making a national registry.

CoffeeLover on April 17, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Molon Labe!

annoyinglittletwerp on April 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM

what’s he sayign?

crrr6 on April 17, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Basically everything that we say. That this would lead to universal registration.

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Cruz is OUR Guy! VERY Proud of him!

michaelo on April 17, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Yes. In today’s climate of errata and betrayals, it’s *finally* encouraging to have Cruz there, trustworthy, so far a man good on his word.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM

I thought I just read this morning that handguns need to be registered in Michigan. Schumer just said something about there is no registration anywhere. I must be missing something?

tommer74 on April 17, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Morning joe rant tomorrow will be highlarious

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 3:50 PM

I’m pessimistic – there’s still time for the GOP to mess this up.

JohnTant on April 17, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Schumer is trying to discredit Cruz as “fearmongoring” about the govt making a national registry.

CoffeeLover on April 17, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Ohh, riight, the shark only wanted a hug, don’t jump to conclusions, don’t be hysterical, you tea-mongering whacko wingnuts. Hug the shark.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Simple issue, easy for even low-info voters to comprehend means there is not chance to sneak it by the public unless they move with lightening speed. Which is impossible with these clowns.

txmomof6 on April 17, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:46 PM

crr6 bailed around this time last year. She made a snarky comment along the lines of needing to quit beating her head against a brick wall and would be leaving for greener pastures.

chemman on April 17, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Here’s my bet; nothing passes. The Dems have trust in their media lackeys to message the GOP as the continuing ‘Party of No’ no matter HOW many common sense alternatives are presented.

michaelo on April 17, 2013 at 3:25 PM

If I had to guess the next move of an aged and radical progressive, I’d go with this one.

Carnac on April 17, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Johanns (R-Nebraska) talking now, also basically echoing Cruz.

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:52 PM

b4itsover on April 17, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Yep. Expect it. Two different sets of graves to dance on and try to exploit. Too tempting for them to pass up.

a capella on April 17, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Im glad its dead, but immigration is much more important and more likely to pass the Senate.

Valkyriepundit on April 17, 2013 at 3:33 PM

IF the GOP passes or allows to pass that immigration disaster/mess, they can kiss winning elections in the future goodbye. My one registration and voting history is at risk — they don’t care about that, I don’t care about them. I’ve had it with the GOP if they pass this “Marco-Obama-Norquist Disaster”.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Toomey: “The second amendment does not apply equally to every single American.”

How does this guy have a job?

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Well dingy ding dong harry wanted a vote and by golly he will get one? I hope it goes down in flames! I would bet bho will be so mad he will throw something or kick the dog?

Please let this go down and the amnesty bill also!
L

letget on April 17, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Toomey is full of sh!t.

tommer74 on April 17, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Im glad its dead, but immigration is much more important and more likely to pass the Senate.

Valkyriepundit on April 17, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Speaking of which, OT for this post, but have you heard yet about the MarcoPhones?

Apparently Marco (Rubio) has it in his Marco-Obama-Norquist Disaster “funding for” “free” phones, MarcoPhones, from TracPhones, Miami, FL, paid for by the US taxpayers for all those new dreamy illegal aliens. Uhh, new Democrats.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Toomey: “The second amendment does not apply equally to every single American.”

How does this guy have a job?

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:55 PM

But, but, he has a free phone. That’s all that counts.

/

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Any critical thinkers out there who are maybe wondering why they want to control guns but grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens while at the same time advancing genocide under the guise of “a woman’s right to choose”?? No? Just me then??

long_cat on April 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Toomey: “The second amendment does not apply equally to every single American.”

How does this guy have a job?

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I suspect he’s referring to people like children, the mentally ill, and people convicted of violent crimes.

LukeinNE on April 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Reid is an incredible swine.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Toomey and Manchin are doomed in their next elections. You’re watching political suicide.

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Babies!!!! drink

lakeman on April 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Toomy’s notions seem to be rooted in his belief that to OWN a gun means one is “mentally ill” and/or “a criminal.” Thus, he feels righteous in seeking bans of guns: people are “sick” or “ill” if/when they own/want one.

http://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=977

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Only 4% think gun control is important. The idiots have their priorities.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Toomey: “The second amendment does not apply equally to every single American.”

How does this guy have a job?

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I suspect he’s referring to people like children, the mentally ill, and people convicted of violent crimes.

LukeinNE on April 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM

My retort:

Toomy’s notions seem to be rooted in his belief that to OWN a gun means one is “mentally ill” and/or “a criminal.” Thus, he feels righteous in seeking bans of guns: people are “sick” or “ill” if/when they own/want one.

http://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=977

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Toomey: “The second amendment does not apply equally to every single American.”

How does this guy have a job?

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I suspect he’s referring to people like children, the mentally ill, and people convicted of violent crimes.

LukeinNE on April 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM

No, really? Thanks for clearing that up. It’s still wrong.

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Whatever happened to “crr6″? I like crrr6 so much better.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Why thankya. :-)

crrr6 on April 17, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Any critical thinkers out there who are maybe wondering why they want to control guns but grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens while at the same time advancing genocide under the guise of “a woman’s right to choose”?? No? Just me then??

long_cat on April 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Yes, I also wonder as much.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 4:05 PM

No, really? Thanks for clearing that up. It’s still wrong.

WhatSlushfund on April 17, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I’d rather crazy people not be carrying guns around. I still want his bill to fail, but I don’t view that particular comment to be objectionable.

LukeinNE on April 17, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Reid is an incredible swine.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 4:01 PM

He needs to pay for those “free MarcoPhones” for the next batch of new Democrats…

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 4:06 PM

So where on the internet can you buy a gun without going through a background check? It was my understanding that guns sold through the internet need to be delivered to an establishment with an FFL, from there the background check would occur.

tommer74 on April 17, 2013 at 4:07 PM

“MarcoPhones” article, ‘case no one here has yet read this…

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/17/Immigration-bill-contains-free-cell-phone-handouts-dubbed-MarcoPhones

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Cruz is OUR Guy! VERY Proud of him!

michaelo on April 17, 2013 at 3:38 PM

He’s about the only one up there I care about; wouldn’t give two sh1ts for the rest of them.

Midas on April 17, 2013 at 4:07 PM

long_cat on April 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM

They are Brainwashed by Karl Marx in our great University system?

kirkill on April 17, 2013 at 4:08 PM

“MarcoPhones” article, ‘case no one here has yet read this…

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/17/Immigration-bill-contains-free-cell-phone-handouts-dubbed-MarcoPhones

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Oh, f*cking hell. *head explodes*

Midas on April 17, 2013 at 4:08 PM

So where on the internet can you buy a gun without going through a background check? It was my understanding that guns sold through the internet need to be delivered to an establishment with an FFL, from there the background check would occur.

tommer74 on April 17, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Yep, this is already law, is it not? That’s been my experience in 100% of cases, and they *all* make it very clear up-front that this is required.

Midas on April 17, 2013 at 4:09 PM

So where on the internet can you buy a gun without going through a background check? It was my understanding that guns sold through the internet need to be delivered to an establishment with an FFL, from there the background check would occur.

tommer74 on April 17, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Pretty much. The same thing is true for FFLs at gun shows too, which is why the whole bill is silly. These guys are either don’t know that they’re proposing laws that are already laws, or they’re being deliberately dishonest for some reason.

I won’t speculate on the reason.

PetecminMd on April 17, 2013 at 4:10 PM

For the life of me, I do not understand why Toomey is picking this fight over something that will do nothing to reduce gun crime and only diminish his chances of reelection in 2016.

You want to reduce gun crime? Great! Let’s start with eliminating “gun-free”/free-fire zones.

crrr6 on April 17, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Big, big props to the NRA for their handling of this. Perfect? No, but war never goes how you plan.

ebbtide on April 17, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Love their ad slamming Bloomy and his idiot ” responsible gun owner” ad. (see green room)

dentarthurdent on April 17, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Kill the Bill!!!

dentarthurdent on April 17, 2013 at 4:13 PM

I still say Reid’s got the votes to pass the bill…

Skywise on April 17, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Murkowski (sp?) voted for Manchin-Toomey. I thought she wasn’t going to?

ksbsnowowl on April 17, 2013 at 4:13 PM

I suspect he’s referring to people like children, the mentally ill, and people convicted of violent crimes.

LukeinNE on April 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Perhaps, but I’m not seeing that in the 2nd Amendment, and it makes it way too easy for someone to define exactly what that means in a way that’s awfully arbitrary and subject to the whim of political tyrants at all levels of government. No thank you.

Midas on April 17, 2013 at 4:13 PM

So where on the internet can you buy a gun without going through a background check? It was my understanding that guns sold through the internet need to be delivered to an establishment with an FFL, from there the background check would occur.

tommer74 on April 17, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Want to find out how “easy” it is, view this.

It is a pain. Even the order in which you have to do things makes no sense.

kurtzz3 on April 17, 2013 at 4:14 PM

CCRKBA pulls support for Manchin-Toomey
http://www.examiner.com/article/ccrkba-pulls-support-for-manchin-toomey

The most amusing thing is watching all the rats jump from the sinking ship.

Gator Country on April 17, 2013 at 4:14 PM

For the life of me, I do not understand why Toomey is picking this fight over something that will do nothing to reduce gun crime and only diminish his chances of reelection in 2016.

You want to reduce gun crime? Great! Let’s start with eliminating “gun-free”/free-fire zones.

crrr6 on April 17, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Yep. But there’s always a reason. Something’s incenting him to do it, to be sure.

Midas on April 17, 2013 at 4:14 PM

4 months and 24/7 of constant attacks on the second amendment by Obama, the liberals, and their media, and at the end liberals end up with nothing… What a great victory they had in the last election…

mnjg on April 17, 2013 at 4:14 PM

4 months and 24/7 of constant attacks on the second amendment by Obama, the liberals, and their media, and at the end liberals end up with nothing… What a great victory they had in the last election…

mnjg on April 17, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Indeed, plus…Obama is a BIG Liar. He said “the people are with me on this”.

Bullcaca

Obama is a Liar in Chief, an eternal charlatan.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 4:18 PM

I understand Karl Rove is pushing for a Rubio/Toomey ticket in 2016. ;-)

NOMOBO on April 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM

I understand Karl Rove is pushing for a Rubio/Toomey ticket in 2016. ;-)

NOMOBO on April 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM

I wouldn’t put it past him.

CurtZHP on April 17, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Anyone keeping a tally on the vote?

jffree1 on April 17, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Won’t solve a thing in Detroit.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 4:24 PM

If this goes down in flames, will BHO EO gun confiscation?

kingsjester on April 17, 2013 at 4:24 PM

I understand Karl Rove is pushing for a Rubio/Toomey ticket in 2016. ;-)

NOMOBO on April 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Fluke all 3, in a bad way.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Correction, Murkowski voted against.

ksbsnowowl on April 17, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Landrieu a “yes” on Mancin-Toomey.

cdog0613 on April 17, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Anyone keeping a tally on the vote?

jffree1 on April 17, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Was trying to but my connection is acting kind of screwey and the sound keeps cutting out.

D-fusit on April 17, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Dingy Harry a no???!!!!

cdog0613 on April 17, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Reid of Nevada – NO!

Burn Harlot

D-fusit on April 17, 2013 at 4:26 PM

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