Open thread: Senate gun-control vote-a-rama; Update: Toomey/Manchin fails, 54/46; Update: GOP’s bill fails, 52/48; Update: Assault-weapons ban crushed, 40/60; Update: Reid to pull entire gun bill tomorrow

posted at 3:21 pm on April 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

Barring last-minute schedule changes, the Senate votes on nine, count ‘em nine, amendments to Reid’s gun-control bill starting at 4 p.m. ET. Manchin/Toomey goes first, then comes the GOP’s alternate bill. Cornyn’s bill on concealed-carry reciprocity will follow a bit later, then Feinstein’s assault-weapons ban and a vote on banning high-capacity magazines, among others. If you can’t get C-SPAN 2 on your TV, you can watch it here. With Ayotte and Heitkamp having finished off Manchin-Toomey, the only major bill whose outcome is a mystery right now is the GOP alternative. Will Dems kill that in retaliation and hand Republicans a talking point about opposition to new gun laws being bipartisan, or will they send it to the House on the “something’s better than nothing” theory? Either way, here’s your thread to comment; stand by for updates and the roll call for each vote.

Actually, the real action will come after the votes when Obama and Reid have to somehow manage their rage in the teeth of total failure. Which makes me wonder: Will Reid try to minimize the embarrassment by pulling any of these amendments at the eleventh hour? It’s a tough vote for the Pryors and Landrieus of the Senate. Why force them and make their reelection campaigns harder, be it in the general or the primary? The White House’s goal from the beginning was to try to hold Senate Democrats together so that they could blame any resulting filibusters entirely on the GOP in the midterms, but Heitkamp et al. are on the verge of blowing that strategy up. I take it that’s why Reid’s decided to support the assault-weapons ban now even though he knows it’s doomed. He’s failed badly on gun control and the left won’t be happy about it. The least he can do is vote for their pet amendment.

Update: Toomey/Manchin is kaput, and with it any chances of O and Reid getting something passed. The vote was 54/46; I’ll double-check when the roll is up but it looks from Twitter like Democrats Baucus, Begich, Pryor, and Harry Reid all voted no. (Reid did so for procedural reasons, so that he can move to reconsider the bill later.) McCain and Toomey both voted yes among Republicans and I believe Mark Kirk and Susan Collins were also committed to doing so, which means there must be one other Democrat who voted no. It wasn’t Landrieu; she voted yes, as her constituents in Louisiana will soon be learning. I’ll update when I have the name. In the meantime, the GOP’s replacement bill is next.

Update: Here you go. I forgot that Heitkamp was also a no among the Democrats.

Biden is in the Senate chamber, in the forlorn hope that he’ll be needed to cast a tiebreaking vote.

Update: Scarborough is grumpy:

Update: Highly unlikely that anything will pass today: The GOP alternative to Toomey/Manchin, sponsored by Grassley, Cruz, and Ayotte, among others, fails 52/48. Assuming all Republicans voted yes, that means seven Democrats joined them. The four who voted no on Toomey/Manchin are safe bets; who were the other three? Stay tuned.

Update: Let the 2014 campaign begin continue!

Update: Piers Morgan shows the yanks what a stiff upper lip looks like:

Update: If you thought Scarborough was grumpy, here’s the statement from Bloomberg’s gun-grabber group:

“Today’s vote is a damning indictment of the stranglehold that special interests have on Washington. More than 40 U.S. senators would rather turn their backs on the 90 percent of Americans who support comprehensive background checks than buck the increasingly extremist wing of the gun lobby. Democrats – who are so quick to blame Republicans for our broken gun laws – could not stand united. And Republicans – who are so quick to blame Democrats for not being tough enough on crime – handed criminals a huge victory, by preserving their ability to buy guns illegally at gun shows and online and keeping the illegal trafficking market well-fed. Senators Manchin and Toomey – as well as Majority Leader Reid and Senators Schumer, Kirk, Collins, McCain and others – deserve real credit for coming together around a compromise bill that struck a fair balance, and President Obama and Vice-President Biden deserve credit for their leadership since the Sandy Hook massacre. But even with some bi-partisan support, a common-sense public safety reform died in the U.S. Senate at the hands of those who are more interested in attempting to protect their own political careers – or some false sense of ideological purity – than protecting the lives of innocent Americans. The only silver lining is that we now know who refuses to stand with the 90 percent of Americans – and in 2014, our ever-expanding coalition of supporters will work to make sure that voters don’t forget.”

Update: Here comes the vote on Cornyn’s bill that would force states to recognize concealed-carry permits issued by other states. Chances of passage: Zero.

Update: As expected, Cornyn’s reciprocity amendment failed — but it ended up getting more votes than Toomey/Manchin:

Here comes the assault-weapons ban. Over/under is 51 votes.

Update: Holy cow. The AWB goes down 40/60. Remember a few weeks ago when Reid claimed they didn’t have even 40 votes for it? He wasn’t kidding. They barely ended up with that much.

It’ll be a few minutes before the roll is up, but assuming Republicans voted against it unanimously, that means no fewer than 15 Democrats joined them. Yowza.

Update: Let the recriminations begin: Gun-control lobbyists are already grumbling about Joe Manchin giving up hope for his bill publicly this morning.

Update: If nothing passed today, the original bill’s surely not going to pass tomorrow. Reid bows to reality:

Update: Here’s the roll for the GOP’s alternative bill that failed earlier. Mike Lee ended up voting no with the Democrats; Baucus, Begich, Donnelly, Hagan, Landrieu, McCaskill, Pryor, and Tester voted yes with the GOP. And here’s the roll on Cornyn’s concealed-carry amendment, which ended up with 57 votes. Same Dems voted with the GOP this time too, plus Heinrich, Manchin, and the two Udalls. Still waiting for the AWB roll.

Update: Finally, here’s the roll on the AWB. Just one Republican, Mark Kirk, voted yes. The 16(!) Democrats (including Angus King, a nominal independent) voting no:

Baucus
Begich
Bennet
Donnelly
Hagan
Heinrich
Heitkamp
Johnson
King
Landrieu
Manchin
Pryor
Tester
Udall, M.
Udall, T.
Warner


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Awww, c’mon CHUMP’ ……. we need your response to ClassicCon‘s 9:51 PM comment.

Don’t leave, now . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : (
.

listens2glenn on April 17, 2013 at 10:45 PM

You know probably the funniest part of watching chumpthreads put his floaties on to pretend he can swim in deep water?
 

Cite your source, chumpthreads.
 
rogerb on April 17, 2013 at 9:12 PM

 
Source?
 
Here’s a hint:
 
“So what are you waiting for?”

 
That’s all the help I’m giving you, rogerb.
 
chumpThreads on April 17, 2013 at 9:16 PM

 
Only one person in this thread took his position regarding the issue FROM al Qaeda:
 

A video from 2011 has resurfaced showing American-born al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn discussing how easy it is to buy guns… without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?”
 
- CNN

 
Note the bolded sentence. That’s what chumpthreads was citing.
 

At the end of the day, rogerb, both you and Al Qaeda are pleased by the outcome of today’s vote. You can’t even deny it, because the fact cannot be debated.
 
chumpThreads on April 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM

 
And yet somehow WE’RE supporting Al Qaeda.

rogerb on April 17, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Bwahahahaa

that was a hoot.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Is it still true that when we kill terrorists that we are creating new terrorists? Or did that claim expire when Obama won his first term?

Just wondering.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEG0-3xlAkg

TURN IT UP!

THANK_YOU!

ConcealedKerry on April 17, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Oh, Yeah!!!

bluefox on April 17, 2013 at 10:58 PM

bluefox on April 17, 2013 at 9:02 PM

I got an email from Marco (me and a few million others) asking to read the bill and make suggestions for improvement.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Had phone calls to attend to) Well, that’s a nice email, but a little late to ask for improvements. He’s joined up with Schumer and the Dems and that is a bridge way too far for me. Nothing good will ever come with that.

bluefox on April 17, 2013 at 11:03 PM

jersey taxpayer on April 17, 2013 at 10:05 PM

I just got back online myself. I’m sure you had a lot to talk about. I think whenever our kids are too far away, we all are concerned. And if their work is risky, it’s more concerning.

With him being in Manhatten during that time would have been bad enough without the Boston tragedy. Scary times.

Praying for your children in the morning, during the day and before you go to bed is the best thing you can do. Divine protection is better than any President or man could provide, and more so during these times of lax National Security.

I hope you enjoy your time with your son:-)

bluefox on April 17, 2013 at 11:28 PM

I haven’t enjoyed his misery this much in some time. Even if it is just feigned. Starve.

Bmore on April 17, 2013 at 11:43 PM

At the end of the day, rogerb, both you and Al Qaeda are pleased by the outcome of today’s vote. You can’t even deny it, because the fact cannot be debated.

chumpThreads on April 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

Oh, wow.

Chuck Schick on April 17, 2013 at 11:45 PM

@Cindy… I listened again to that conversation between Rubio and Levin and heard him say the gun control will be back on the floor next week.

Even tho Levin asked great questions, he should have asked him who is responsible for enforcing the laws on the books now and why they aren’t held accountable.

Also, on 3 different times he sounded just like Chief Justice Roberts, blaming the people for electing the wrong people and elections have consequences. That was his answer to 3 questions that Levin asked.

I still heard the reason Rubio is coming up with this is to do it before the Dems do.

Rubio gets a No vote from me.

bluefox on April 17, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Check out all the anti-gun Facebook pages. Great entertainment value there.

THE BUTTHURT MUST FLOW!!!!

Dunedainn on April 17, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Oh, wow.

Chuck Schick on April 17, 2013 at 11:45 PM

We used to have trolls that made a little sense. This one just keeps digging that hole.

bluefox on April 17, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Dunedainn on April 17, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Don’t use Facebook, but going to check some other websites. From what you say, all the Obots must be out and about, LOL

bluefox on April 17, 2013 at 11:53 PM

bluefox on April 17, 2013 at 11:53 PM

My response to anti-gunners everywhere.

Dunedainn on April 17, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Mark Levin said “you can’t deny the man has integrity” speaking of Marco Rubio.

Sorry Levin, you are wrong. All I heard was a slick salesman, and I’m not buying any of it, none at all.

bluefox on April 18, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Dunedainn on April 17, 2013 at 11:57 PM

I just assume that anyone against the 2nd Amendment aren’t Americans. And we certainly have plenty in Congress since they are behind this Anti-2nd Amendment movement. Or rather they have the power to bring bills up for a vote.

We, the people get to vote too and I hope it’s a landslide against every traitor in Congress.

bluefox on April 18, 2013 at 12:08 AM

bluefox on April 18, 2013 at 12:00 AM

I don’t know, I think it’s easy for a guy with Rubio’s background to want the same for everyone who comes here. I understand his desire to give everyone the chance at the American Dream, I just think he’s more than a little naive about the sheer numbers.

Cindy Munford on April 18, 2013 at 1:10 AM

If I’m not hearing things, Rubio mentioned in his interview with Levin that Reid would bring the gun control bill up again next week. That must mean that Obama and Company plan a full out attack again.

Cindy Munford on April 18, 2013 at 1:17 AM

So much for Obama’s “Charm Offensive”.

Jack Deth on April 18, 2013 at 2:24 AM

It appears the democrats may have allowed a good crisis to go to waste.

JackM on April 18, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Is it true Crazy Uncle Joe was actually blubbering?

Please don’ tell me I missed that.

JackM on April 18, 2013 at 7:22 AM

It appears the democrats may have allowed a good crisis to go to waste.

JackM on April 18, 2013 at 7:20 AM

They had a tragedy, not a crisis. They misinterpreted and paid a heavy price.

Their use of the Newtown parents only served to emphasize the difference. Taking advantage of a tragedy is unseemingly. The Senators, and America understands.

Jabberwock on April 18, 2013 at 7:48 AM

Baucus is running again next year and has already raised $1.5M. The R with the most dough has about $400K. Tester voted for everything except the AWB. Good to know.

Kissmygrits on April 18, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Obama got what he wanted last night. He was in a win-win situation.

His pre-staged and fake “shameful” speech was instead a “pitiful” display of American Presidency ….. with a whole lotta “liar” thrown in for good measure.

Carnac on April 18, 2013 at 8:40 AM

At the end of the day, rogerb, both you and Al Qaeda are pleased by the outcome of today’s vote. You can’t even deny it, because the fact cannot be debated.
 
chumpThreads on April 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM

 
So all done, chumpthreads?
 
Because I was debating it. Quite successfully.
 
You’re the one running away because you don’t know basic information on the topic.

rogerb on April 18, 2013 at 8:55 AM

LOL @chumpthreads. Wow..the chump got his azz handed to him over and over again on this thread. What a pathetic little chump.

HumpBot Salvation on April 18, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Open thread: Senate gun-control vote-a-rama; Update: Toomey/Manchin fails, 54/46; Update: GOP’s bill fails, 52/48; Update: Assault-weapons ban crushed, 40/60; Update: Reid to pull entire gun bill tomorrow

Great Report !!

Even pissin’ on a liberal couldn’t make me happier…

BigSven on April 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

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