Obama: I can’t comment on Gosnell, but obviously lawbreakers should be prosecuted

posted at 6:01 pm on April 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

The Gosnell bit starts at 3:00 but you should watch from the beginning or else you’ll miss him saying how he felt “personally responsible” to demand more gun regulation after the Newtown shooting. Does he feel personally responsible to demand tighter regulations of late-term abortions, too? (“If it saves just one life…”) That question never gets asked, despite the grand jury’s conclusion that pro-choice political priorities led Pennsylvania regulators to stop inspecting clinics. He mutters a few platitudes about following the law and abortion being “safe, legal, and rare,” which no hardline pro-choice advocate like him takes seriously, but beyond that he can’t comment because there’s a trial ongoing — as if he would have kept quiet about gun control until now if Adam Lanza had been captured and indicted. Via Tim Carney, here’s a follow-up for the next journalist who gets to interview O: What’s the difference between what Gosnell’s accused of doing and what pro-choice hero Leroy Carhart typically does? (The answer: About a foot or so in location.) And if O’s opposed to what Carhart does too, then, per Carney, why did his 2004 campaign once send out a mailing describing partial-birth abortion as a “legitimate medical procedure”?

I’m seeing people on Twitter say that it’s time to move past covering reactions to Gosnell’s trial and start covering the trial itself. Fair enough, but this is a special case. Which reporter’s going to press Obama after the trial, when he can’t use the “pending case” dodge, to explain the difference between his position now and his position a decade ago?

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Like illegal alien law breakers?

RovesChins on April 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Bloody wight of you.///
*I denounce myself.*

annoyinglittletwerp on April 17, 2013 at 6:03 PM

So, why can’t turdhead comment on the Gosnell case? He’s been COMMENTING on the SANDY HOOK case for months.

Pork-Chop on April 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM

He can always “evolve” on this issue. Maybe he’ll be against infanticide by the time Michelle runs.

happytobehere on April 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM

George Zimmerman is confused.

kim roy on April 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

If Obama had a son, would any of them looked like any of the murdered children?

catmman on April 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Obama the Evolver

BobMbx on April 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM

No more beer summits..?

d1carter on April 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Stealing this from another comment in another forum:

If Obama had a father, he’d look like Gosnell.

Apologies for lack of citation…

22044 on April 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM

0bama is skating on thin ice with this. He is the one who held up the bill in the illinois congress that would instruct Dr’s to give life saving service to babies born alive in a botched abortion. What they were doing in ilinois was putting live babies in a dark closet, alone, and let them cry until they died. I suppose he would say that was more humane.

Aren’t you all happy (those who voted for 0b0z0, that is) you voted for him? Especially Catholics/Evangelicals/Mormons who wouldn’t vote for Romney!!!!!

Bambi on April 17, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Can’t comment? But the police acted stupidly. Hmmmmm

InTheBellyoftheBeast on April 17, 2013 at 6:08 PM

They actually asked President Obama about Gosnell?

Faints

portlandon on April 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Obama has no personal problem with Gosnell, and he has the four votes to prove it from Illinois.

I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if there’s a presidential pardon in Gosnell’s future if he’s convicted.

Liam on April 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM

“If we can save just one child…”

…Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on April 17, 2013 at 6:12 PM

He was bound by his office to not comment on Trayvon Martin, but he did. His commentary on the event prejudiced the prosecution of Mr. Zimmerman. He actually made it very personal …

“My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin: If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,”

I guess it’s harder to tell what they’d look like with no head or with scissors stuck in their back?

What a gutless president.

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 6:15 PM

George Zimmerman is confused.

kim roy on April 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Bows. Didn’t see it.

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 6:16 PM

I can’t comment on Gosnell but I can fully implicate half of the electorate of murder, stupidity and greed. Regardless of what happens to this country, I can’t wait for this (deleted) to leave the WH. Even if he leaves this country in tatters I wont have to look at his a$$ face anymore.

quiz1 on April 17, 2013 at 6:17 PM

If Obama had a son, would any of them looked like any of the murdered children?

Maybe he did. Gosnell has been doing this since the 70s. There may be 10s or even hundreds of thousands of dead babies on his nasty ghoul head.

Dirty Creature on April 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Which reporter’s going to press Obama after the trial, when he can’t use the “pending case” dodge, to explain the difference between his position now and his position a decade ago?

Evolution baby…All the Dems are doing it.

ChrisL on April 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM

What they were doing in ilinois was putting live babies in a dark closet, alone, and let them cry until they died.

Correction: what they were doing in Illinois according to one crackpot nurse who promptly quit her job and has built a new career around being that one nurse who supposedly saw infants left to die in dark closets.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Come on these people are monsters. That professor from UCSF’s only objection to what Gosnell did is that he did it in an unsterile environment.

Raquel Pinkbullet on April 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

A fetus baby just doesn’t have the same rights under the constitution as a child.

Tough circle to square.

antipc on April 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

POTUS is a sad excuse for a man

CW on April 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Is there a Kickstarter project I can give money to that will erect a monument to Obama as the “Worst President in the history of the United States”?

albill on April 17, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Correction: what they were doing in Illinois according to one crackpot nurse who promptly quit her job and has built a new career around being that one nurse who supposedly saw infants left to die in dark closets.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Link to proof …. Yeah I’ll wait.

Raquel Pinkbullet on April 17, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Correction: what they were doing in Illinois according to one crackpot nurse who promptly quit her job and has built a new career around being that one nurse who supposedly saw infants left to die in dark closets.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Wow, you must hate Jesse Jackson.

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Obama supports killing babies, eating dogs, and burning bibles – think about it.

abobo on April 17, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Above your pay grade huh Obama? Also was it above your pay grade when you voted for infanticide???

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/08/23/new-audio-surfaces-of-obama-defending-infanticide-in-illinois/

sadsushi on April 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013

Sad little pr8ck back again. Get a life.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 6:26 PM

“safe, legal, and rare,”

Does this guy think every is as STUPID as he is?

GarandFan on April 17, 2013 at 6:27 PM

George Zimmerman is confused.

kim roy on April 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Bows. Didn’t see it.

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Is okay. It gave you the opportunity to add in this point:

“My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin: If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,”

I guess it’s harder to tell what they’d look like with no head or with scissors stuck in their back?

What a gutless president.

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Returns the bow.

kim roy on April 17, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Link to proof …. Yeah I’ll wait.

Raquel Pinkbullet on April 17, 2013 at 6:22 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stanek

This is the nurse in question. I don’t know what “proof” you’re looking for. If anyone should be presenting proof, it’s her, not me. She never did, of course. She claimed to have personally witnessed babies being left to die in a utility closet. She presented no evidence for this claim whatsoever, and now she’s a paid speaker for the pro-life movement. Very reliable source.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Obama: “Dr. Gosnell acted admirably.”

BuckeyeSam on April 17, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Correction: what they were doing in Illinois according to one crackpot nurse who promptly quit her job and has built a new career around being that one nurse who supposedly saw infants left to die in dark closets.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Just one? I guess that’s okay with you, right? How about two — would that make it a problem for you?

Or are you holding out for 20? Not enough? How many ‘crackpot’ nurses have seen that? Too many to be discounted, or so many that we need to ban guns for all those loonies out there?

At what point does this sort of thing stop being acceptable to you?

I stopped at one, because that’s too many. Where’s your drawn line?

Liam on April 17, 2013 at 6:34 PM

0bama is skating on thin ice with this. He is the one who held up the bill in the illinois congress that would instruct Dr’s to give life saving service to babies born alive in a botched abortion. What they were doing in ilinois was putting live babies in a dark closet, alone, and let them cry until they died. I suppose he would say that was more humane.

Aren’t you all happy (those who voted for 0b0z0, that is) you voted for him? Especially Catholics/Evangelicals/Mormons who wouldn’t vote for Romney!!!!!

Bambi on April 17, 2013 at 6:08 PM

DITTO.

Obama is regarded as the “most abortion-supportive” or abortion-supporting politician “ever”. Even his cabinet/mentors/former instructors at Haahvahhd agree with him that children born alive after an abortion attempt “should be” put to d**th.

Obama, the Ghoul. He can’t speak about Gosnell because he’s a Coward Ghoul. Who is trying to hide who he is to the view of his hapless, gullible voting base.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Has anyone watched any videos of Gosnell motivating around? He struts with a smirk on his face, just as Obama does. I know, I know, don’t generalize, but in Gosnell’s case, with his proven behaviors, it’s difficult to understand why he struts around looking so smug and proud of himself. Same with Obama.

The only explanation I have for such is that they’re two people (read their documented views, opinions and about their documented actions) who are really proud that they’ve diminished the worth of human life to the mundane if not the discardable.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM

When Obama voted to ensure the death of babies who survived an abortion, he had Gosnell in mind.

BTW, where is Michelle Bigmouth Obama and her dictum concerning Gosnell? No comment?

BobMbx on April 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013

Stanek had more cajones than you can dream of.You stand for death.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM

If Obama had a son, would any of them looked like any of the murdered children?

Maybe he did. Gosnell has been doing this since the 70s. There may be 10s or even hundreds of thousands of dead babies on his nasty ghoul head.

Dirty Creature on April 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Come on these people are monsters. That professor from UCSF’s only objection to what Gosnell did is that he did it in an unsterile environment.

Raquel Pinkbullet on April 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

DITTO as to what both of you wrote there.

The CONDITIONS are the thing the abortionists are complaining about. Their request is that the CONDITIONS worked in by Gosnell “be brought to hospital standards”, NOT that the acts performed by Gosnell are objectionable or should be stopped.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 6:42 PM

She claimed to have personally witnessed babies being left to die in a utility closet.
Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Like you care anyway. ES. Heck you cheer that on. You cannot even stand up against such evil.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 6:42 PM

After leaving office, Obama opened a chain of abortion clinics in Chicago called “Obama Scissorhands ObGyn”

BobMbx on April 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Obama: I can’t comment on Gosnell, but obviously lawbreakers should be prosecuted

lawbreakers?

How about murderers?

Since lawbreakers should be prosecuted, why isn’t Obama himself prosecuted for gun running to Mexico?

‘Law for thee, not for me?’

jersey taxpayer on April 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

0bama is going to start striking out in a giant temper tantrum after his rebuke in the Senate today. Asking about his favorite sport (killing babies) will only fuel this.

jukin3 on April 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Just one? I guess that’s okay with you, right? How about two — would that make it a problem for you?

Or are you holding out for 20? Not enough? How many ‘crackpot’ nurses have seen that? Too many to be discounted, or so many that we need to ban guns for all those loonies out there?

At what point does this sort of thing stop being acceptable to you?

I stopped at one, because that’s too many. Where’s your drawn line?

Liam on April 17, 2013 at 6:34 PM

So I should just uncritically accept the uncorroborated testimony of one nurse with an obvious agenda? Sorry, maybe that’s good enough for you but it’s not good enough for me.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

BTW, where is Michelle Bigmouth Obama and her dictum concerning Gosnell? No comment?

BobMbx on April 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM

The horrors: we may never know specifically how many countless human lives have been and continue to be butchered in abortions nationwide. Ole Bigmouth seems quite proud of eliminating those “punishments” as does her man-roommate.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Obama comments on everything.. Didn’t he have a beer summit on something inconsequential to the Presidency. The only thing he can’t comment on are things that will instantly make him look bad..

melle1228 on April 17, 2013 at 6:44 PM

0bama is going to start striking out in a giant temper tantrum after his rebuke in the Senate today. Asking about his favorite sport (killing babies) will only fuel this.

jukin3 on April 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Heh.

Lourdes on April 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Like you care anyway. ES. Heck you cheer that on. You cannot even stand up against such evil.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 6:42 PM

The “evil” that exists only in the heads of gullible morons like you. Go ahead, accept Jill Stanek’s claims as gospel truth. That’s your prerogative, but don’t expect me to be as stupid and gullible as you are.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

So I should just uncritically accept the uncorroborated testimony of one nurse with an obvious agenda? Sorry, maybe that’s good enough for you but it’s not good enough for me.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Are the testimonies of Gosnell’s own staff not yet enough for you?

How about those with an agenda who keep silent about what goes on in other murder factories — those like you who are so for slaughtering babies they turn a blind eye to the carnage?

As I asked, when will you say it happens too often; where is your drawn line?

Liam on April 17, 2013 at 6:49 PM

This is the nurse in question. I don’t know what “proof” you’re looking for. If anyone should be presenting proof, it’s her, not me. She never did, of course. She claimed to have personally witnessed babies being left to die in a utility closet. She presented no evidence for this claim whatsoever, and now she’s a paid speaker for the pro-life movement. Very reliable source.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Actually she testified UNDER OATH that the baby was wheeled into a utility closet used to dispose of bio waste and she rocked the baby for 45 minutes until the baby died in her arms because no medical assistance could/would be rendered to the baby.

Not sure why you find this so hard to believe when induction abortions are quite common. What do you think happens to babies born alive from these procedures? Do you think nurses who think it is okay to participate in these procedures put these babies somewhere comfortable to die. Or do they dispose of them like trash, because they are essentially considered bio waste?

melle1228 on April 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

The “evil” that exists only in the heads of gullible morons like you. Go ahead, accept Jill Stanek’s claims as gospel truth. That’s your prerogative, but don’t expect me to be as stupid and gullible as you are.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Look! MobyTroll is mobytrolling. Time to earn a wage? Axelrod want’s his dollar’s worth.

kim roy on April 17, 2013 at 6:51 PM

The “evil” that exists only in the heads of gullible morons like you. Go ahead, accept Jill Stanek’s claims as gospel truth. That’s your prerogative, but don’t expect me to be as stupid and gullible as you are.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

LOL- Funny how you think it is stupid and gullible to think that babies born alive might be wheeled into a bio medical waste utility room to die. Don’t know why that is such a jump to believe when they are inducing these babies to die in the first place. Wonder who actually is really gullible here..

melle1228 on April 17, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013

Yes you support evil. You cannot even stand up against Gosnell.

You keep telling yourself you’re ok. But–You’re insane.

What a whack job. Heck you cannot even comment on anything else.You’re breadth of knowledge (or interests for that matter) is very limited. I figure you for a high school dropout with at 92 IQ. Not real smart.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 6:54 PM

This is the nurse in question. I don’t know what “proof” you’re looking for. If anyone should be presenting proof, it’s her, not me. She never did, of course. She claimed to have personally witnessed babies being left to die in a utility closet. She presented no evidence for this claim whatsoever, and now she’s a paid speaker for the pro-life movement. Very reliable source.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM

wikipedia?

Are you serious?

Is that your proof? A source that can be written and changed by anyone?

The “evil” that exists only in the heads of gullible morons like you. Go ahead, accept Jill Stanek’s claims as gospel truth. That’s your prerogative, but don’t expect me to be as stupid and gullible as you are.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

People of Auschwitz: “Honest General Patton, we didn’t have any idea what was going on over there. That ash and smoke? We just didn’t know”.

Excellent article from the Wall Street Jounal on the banal bias of people like our buddy here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324030704578426892205886784.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

Quote about Ron Rosenbaum talking about the banality of evil, coming down to “faceless men following evil orders”:

And while Rosenbaum seems correct in rejecting “the banality of evil” as an overarching theory, surely it has some explanatory or descriptive power. “Faceless little men following evil orders” surely is a fitting characterization of the Pennsylvania bureaucrats who, because of a mix of indifference, incompetence and politics, failed in their oversight of Gosnell’s clinic and allowed it to keep operating for decades.

Enjoy your milquetoast opinion of justice.

itsspideyman on April 17, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Actually she testified UNDER OATH that the baby was wheeled into a utility closet used to dispose of bio waste and she rocked the baby for 45 minutes until the baby died in her arms because no medical assistance could/would be rendered to the baby.

Not sure why you find this so hard to believe when induction abortions are quite common. What do you think happens to babies born alive from these procedures? Do you think nurses who think it is okay to participate in these procedures put these babies somewhere comfortable to die. Or do they dispose of them like trash, because they are essentially considered bio waste?

melle1228 on April 17, 2013 at 6:50 PM

If no effective medical assistance could be rendered, then I’m straining to understand what the controversy was in the first place. They didn’t put the dying fetus on a little silk pillow instead?

If, on the other hand, medical assistance was refused for a viable fetus that survived its abortion (which is what the Illinois state law was supposedly concerned with), then that would essentially mean that the nurses and doctors working there were utterly indifferent to the death of a living, breathing infant. Yes, that would be a rather sensational claim, coming from a single nurse with no evidence whatsoever, don’t you think?

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Armin loves death. He is mentally deranged.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

A very bad day for Mr. I Won.

LASue on April 17, 2013 at 6:59 PM

CW on April 17, 2013 at 6:42 PM
The “evil” that exists only in the heads of gullible morons like you. Go ahead, accept Jill Stanek’s claims as gospel truth. That’s your prerogative, but don’t expect me to be as stupid and gullible as you are.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Then comment on the horrors of Gosnell. Oh, that’s right. You have no problem with Gosnell. And you had no problem with leaving infants to die after birth.

Why is it important for you to refute an eyewitness claim if you’re accepting of the process in the first place?

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:00 PM

I’m sorry, why is it Obama can’t comment on the ghoul? He won’t shut his pie-hole about anything else.

Yasherka on April 17, 2013 at 7:01 PM

wikipedia?

Are you serious?

Is that your proof? A source that can be written and changed by anyone?

I posted the Wikipedia link to provide the name and background of the crackpot nurse I mentioned in my original post. I never once claimed it was “proof” of anything. I don’t need proof to dismiss the claims of someone who never presented any of their own evidence in support of those claims to begin with.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 7:01 PM

breathing infant.
Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Dimwit you do realize babies do in fact breath before they’re born? Biology class passed you by.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 7:03 PM

He can’t comment because he and gosnell have the same hearts….dark pits…..

crosshugger on April 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Then comment on the horrors of Gosnell. Oh, that’s right. You have no problem with Gosnell. And you had no problem with leaving infants to die after birth.

Why is it important for you to refute an eyewitness claim if you’re accepting of the process in the first place?

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:00 PM

This.

Armin supports what Gosnell is accused of. That is quite clear.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Then comment on the horrors of Gosnell. Oh, that’s right. You have no problem with Gosnell. And you had no problem with leaving infants to die after birth.

Why is it important for you to refute an eyewitness claim if you’re accepting of the process in the first place?

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:00 PM

I’ve already said my piece on Gosnell. Maybe you missed or forgot it amongst the 85 or so postings HA makes about Gosnell every day.

And I’d love to know where you get the idea that I have no problem with leaving viable infants to die after birth.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM

If no effective medical assistance could be rendered, then I’m straining to understand what the controversy was in the first place. They didn’t put the dying fetus on a little silk pillow instead?

That is why I prefaced and said could(hospital/doctor policy) and would not be rendered. First off it is a born baby not a fetus. I know, I know saying fetus makes monsters like you feel better, but it isn’t true. Fetus is “before birth.” Once it is born it is no longer a fetus.

If, on the other hand, medical assistance was refused for a viable fetus that survived its abortion (which is what the Illinois state law was supposedly concerned with), then that would essentially mean that the nurses and doctors working there were utterly indifferent to the death of a living, breathing infant. Yes, that would be a rather sensational claim, coming from a single nurse with no evidence whatsoever, don’t you think?

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Abortion especially at the late stages makes doctors and nurses “indifferent” to life. Futhermore, it was not a fetus AGAIN. And if it ‘lived” after a botched abortion, it was viable. It also means that they were utterly indifferent to a human life independent of the mother and the death of a living breathing infant. Botched abortion and infants born alive after abortions are not all that rare. In 2010, there were 1270 of them and those were the ones that were reported.

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/05/1270-babies-born-alive-after-failed-abortions-in-the-united-states/

melle1228 on April 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM

A very bad day for Mr. I Won.

LASue on April 17, 2013 at 6:59 PM

My thought too.
Watching NPR news and just saw his appearance in the Rose Garden.
He was pi$$ed.

I’ll add this as well:
A very bad day for Armin Tamzarian!

22044 on April 17, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Jill Stanek is not a ‘crackpot’ you worthless piece of excrement. Btw: the hospital where the babies were being left to die…is named Christ Hospital-of all things. As a former Chicago girl, I’m familiar w/ the place.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 17, 2013 at 7:10 PM

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:00 PM
This.

Armin supports what Gosnell is accused of. That is quite clear.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

And the fact is that the pro-abortion ghouls wouldn’t like the sources but it’s estimated that 1,000s of babies survive abortions but are left to die every year in the US and even the UK admits it case studied 66 known.

That it happens is not even an argument.

Gosnell, if you could get them to talk about that clinic at the “very” least.

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:11 PM

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:00 PM
I’ve already said my piece on Gosnell. Maybe you missed or forgot it amongst the 85 or so postings HA makes about Gosnell every day.

And I’d love to know where you get the idea that I have no problem with leaving viable infants to die after birth.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Can’t read everything. Can you post your comment for me or paraphrase?

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Armin’s only here because the other ghoul nonpartisan isn’t.

22044 on April 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM

That is why I prefaced and said could(hospital/doctor policy) and would not be rendered. First off it is a born baby not a fetus. I know, I know saying fetus makes monsters like you feel better, but it isn’t true. Fetus is “before birth.” Once it is born it is no longer a fetus.

I’m not going to argue semantics with you. I use them more or less interchangeably.

Abortion especially at the late stages makes doctors and nurses “indifferent” to life. Futhermore, it was not a fetus AGAIN. And if it ‘lived” after a botched abortion, it was viable. It also means that they were utterly indifferent to a human life independent of the mother and the death of a living breathing infant. Botched abortion and infants born alive after abortions are not all that rare. In 2010, there were 1270 of them and those were the ones that were reported.

No, it’s not viable just because it doesn’t die immediately from the abortion. All or most of that supposed 1270 number probably died within minutes and there was nothing that could be done to save them, any more than could be done to save a miscarried fetus that survives for a short time after its premature birth.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Oh yes, but, you commented on the police/professor altercation. Remember, “the police acted stupidly.”

jjnco73 on April 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM

All or most of that supposed 1270 number probably died within minutes

You just keep running with that solid “probably”, its probably the only thing that keeps you sane. As long as you can find a way to justify it, you’ll be alright.

BobMbx on April 17, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Can’t read everything. Can you post your comment for me or paraphrase?

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Funny how he is afraid to say it again. He is not repulsed by it…he supports it.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Jill Stanek interview-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnJvzx4QOao

Nothing about her mannerisms or speech that suggest dishonesty.

I will take her word over those that have no problem killing the unborn …any day.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:12 PM
Funny how he is afraid to say it again. He is not repulsed by it…he supports it.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Are you kidding with the understatement stuff, CW? He talks about it in the cold sense of political dogma. As if we’re not even talking about humans.

Armins position in a nutshell.

Hot air Thread Article

“Abortion advocate: I love abortion and I don’t want it to be “rare””

Doesn’t bother me. I’ve never cared how many or how few abortions there are either. In the context of this issue, my concern begins and ends with ensuring that the government encumbers the free exchange of goods and services as little as possible, and regulating abortion to satisfy nanny state holy rollers is such an encumbrance.

Armin Tamzarian on March 15, 2012 at 7:34 PM

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:30 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stanek

This is the nurse in question. I don’t know what “proof” you’re looking for. If anyone should be presenting proof, it’s her, not me. She never did, of course. She claimed to have personally witnessed babies being left to die in a utility closet. She presented no evidence for this claim whatsoever, and now she’s a paid speaker for the pro-life movement. Very reliable source.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Go here to links that Jill Stanek provides to testimony, transcripts of speeches and audio:

http://www.jillstanek.com/2008/02/links-to-barack-obamas-votes-on-illinois-born-alive-infant-protection-act/

Because she provides the links doesn’t impugn their accuracy. She didn’t generate the content at the links.

I’ve never seen anything that cast doubt on her testimony. Notice here even when Obama was questioning her, he didn’t say she lied:

http://jillstanek.com/Born-Alive-hearing-IL-State-Sen-Jud-Com_3-5-02.pdf

I believe the April 4 2002 IL government transcript numbers are incorrect. Obama’s speech seems to begin on page 31. Page 32 is when he talks about the limp and dead child.

INC on April 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Science is not one of Armin’s strengths …or interests for that matter. Notice he has essentially one interest: Trolling abortion threads. Makes me wonder why. I suspect he has been a party to an abortion or two. The intense drive to justify what he has been a part of seems pretty evident.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Did Armin go to look for that post where he supposedly came out against Gosnell?

CW on April 17, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Most of you will be interested to know Jill Stanek and her family are targeted by the Obama administration. The FBI showed up at the home of her daughter and son-in-law, Andy Moore.

http://www.jillstanek.com/2012/07/obama-administrations-harassment-of-pro-lifers-gets-personal/

Notice the questions they were asked at the above link.

Letter from Moore’s attorneys:

http://www.jillstanek.com/2012/07/memo-to-fbi-back-away-from-pro-lifers/

INC on April 17, 2013 at 7:48 PM

I’m not going to argue semantics with you. I use them more or less interchangeably.

It’s not semantics. It is science. You use fetus to make yourself feel better. Fetus is used to dehumanize the baby. And it is a baby. SCIENTIFICALLY it stops being a fetus the moment it is born.

No, it’s not viable just because it doesn’t die immediately from the abortion. All or most of that supposed 1270 number probably died within minutes and there was nothing that could be done to save them, any more than could be done to save a miscarried fetus that survives for a short time after its premature birth.

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Viability is a not a static term. It changes based on medical advances. Babies have survived as early as 21 weeks with medical intervention, but if a baby does not get ANY medical intervention than of course the fatality rate goes to 100 percent. Of course if you don’t feet fully term infants and intervene in their life as well because they are completely dependent on outside intervention; their fatality rate would be 100 percent as well.

It is not called a “miscarriage” if a baby is born after 21 weeks; it is preterm labor- and unlike abortion medical intervention is given because the infant is considered VIABLE.

melle1228 on April 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM

You don’t think that if Obama could, he wouldn’t prosecute Stanek?

Of course he would.

INC on April 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Did Armin go to look for that post where he supposedly came out against Gosnell?

CW on April 17, 2013 at 7:40 PM

I guess we’re back to the chief point of the thread that our president is a hypocrite?

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:50 PM

“Lawbreakers”? Are you Fing kidding me!

Serial Child Killer is how the statement should start, followed by practice should be abolished…

I am so sickened by this I could vomit in the face of this man living in the WH…

Tilly on April 17, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Reposted from elsewhere -

There are three, and really only three, things you can believe about the Carhart/Gosnell comparison:

1) You can believe that a child magically gains a soul and a status as a human being the instant he passes fully through his mother’s vagina, and not a second earlier or later. It would be very interesting to hear how you think you can be so sure about this.

2) You can believe that an unborn child isn’t human until the full nine months or up, or in fact until quite a long time after that. (People like Peter Singer are fond of saying – and I have no reason to disbelieve them – that in terms of brain development a several-month-old child isn’t markedly advanced over a newborn.) Or you can agree that a late-stage unborn child is in fact already a human, but believe that’s it’s morally OK to commit intentional homicide against him or her anyway.

3) You can believe that the kind of late-pregnancy unborn children which Carhart and Gosnell specialise in are already human regardless of what side of their mother’s vagina they are on at any precise moment in time.

The kicker is that both 2) and 3) have serious implications. If you believe 2) then Gosnell is a man falsely accused of murder, for seven of the eight counts he is charged with. Even a brutal, slovenly, homicidally incompetent and morbid doctor is the victim of a grave injustice if he is charged with seven murders he never committed, especially if he has never committed an intentional, premeditated homicide at all. And especially if he is facing the death penalty for them! Clearly Gosnell needs people to speak up for him and demand the dropping of the child-murder charges and/or a pardon for them. And even if you’re willing to say “screw Gosnell”, his conviction has wider implications. Say, are doctors being forced to adopt complicated, and perhaps more dangerous, partial-birth or “no-birth” abortion procedures in order to work around a meaningless legal distinction? Isn’t that an unconscionable interference in the sacrosanct woman/doctor relationship?

And if you believe 3), then the Obama campaign’s explicit championing of Carhart and his abortion procedure against legal threats … well, it speaks for itself.

anonymous irishman on April 17, 2013 at 8:04 PM

anonymous irishman on April 17, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Well laid out. And I believe 3.

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 8:08 PM

I guess it’s too much to expect that he might have been asked about the Eric Holder family abortion center in Atlanta and whether that might disqualify DOJ from involvement in enforcing laws regarding abortion?

slickwillie2001 on April 17, 2013 at 8:09 PM

…but don’t expect me to be as stupid and gullible…

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:45 PM

…he’s a comedian too!
…do you eat bluegill ?

KOOLAID2 on April 17, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Two other things that should be added about Carhart. First, he’s not just tolerated by the pro-choice lobby, or defended out of a sense of duty: he’s a hero to and leading figure of the movement. Second, we can assume that he’s politer, cleaner and less morbid than Gosnell, but his actual safety-of-the-mother record doesn’t seem to be markedly better: two women have died during Carhart’s abortions.

anonymous irishman on April 17, 2013 at 8:27 PM

“dying fetus”

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Run that by me again?

You really are macabre, you know that?

Cleombrotus on April 17, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Armin’s really got some deep guilt issue going on. Needs to deal with it. This is not dealing with it.

CurtZHP on April 17, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Armin’s really got some deep guilt issue going on. Needs to deal with it. This is not dealing with it.

CurtZHP on April 17, 2013 at 9:18 PM

It’s not guilt, his soul is just dark and empty and cold.

slickwillie2001 on April 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Evil has a name it is Barack Obama.

neyney on April 17, 2013 at 9:46 PM

What Barry meant was, “I can’t comment on Gosnell because…”

1. He’s Black
2. He’s Black
3. He’s Black
4. He’s an Abortionist
5. He’s a member of the Black Abortionists’ Union.

NoPain on April 18, 2013 at 12:00 AM

He can’t comment on Gosnell because:

If I had a pediatrician he’d look like Kermit Gosnell

virgo on April 18, 2013 at 12:22 AM

So, why can’t turdhead comment on the Gosnell case? He’s been COMMENTING on the SANDY HOOK case for months.

Pork-Chop on April 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM

It’s above his pay grade.

Chris of Rights on April 18, 2013 at 9:09 AM

That is why I prefaced and said could(hospital/doctor policy) and would not be rendered. First off it is a born baby not a fetus. I know, I know saying fetus makes monsters like you feel better, but it isn’t true. Fetus is “before birth.” Once it is born it is no longer a fetus.

I’m not going to argue semantics with you. I use them more or less interchangeably.

And that is incredibly disturbing. Using wordplay to dehumanize the child is itself inhuman.

When do you stop using the words interchangeably? Clearly not at birth. A few hours after? A few days? Months? Years?

These are important questions. The “pro-choice” lobby clearly believes that a fetus can be destroyed. But when it becomes a baby, it’s obviously murder. So, at what point do you stop using the terms interchangeably? When does the child stop being something that can be destroyed as part of a “medical procedure”?

Chris of Rights on April 18, 2013 at 9:16 AM

If no effective medical assistance could be rendered, then I’m straining to understand what the controversy was in the first place. They didn’t put the dying fetus on a little silk pillow instead?

Armin Tamzarian on April 17, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Setting aside your disgusting use of the phrase “dying fetus” for the moment…

You’ve clearly never seen the inside of a NICU at a hospital. The people there are amazing. And they do amazing things. Beyond amazing, actually. Unbelievable is a better word. Miraculous might even be better.

But the typical person at an Planned Parenthood clinic is miles away from a NICU center, so instead of becoming a bright healthy happy child, the baby is left alone to die.

Honestly, I don’t know how the people who work at these places sleep at night.

Chris of Rights on April 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Didn’t Gosnell once admit that if he had a son, he’d look like Obama?

Kissmygrits on April 18, 2013 at 10:12 AM

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