Immigration bill drops overnight; Update: Sessions: “This bill is legalization first”; Update: The Rubio FAQ

posted at 9:21 am on April 17, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

It’s about half as long as some feared, and less than a third as long as ObamaCare. The new comprehensive immigration reform bill still comes in at 844 pages, and will be the center of curiosity in the Senate — at least after Harry Reid’s gun-control push stalls as expected today. The Hill reports that the Gang of Eight published the legislative language at 2 AM this morning:

The immigration reform bill a bipartisan group of senators released early Wednesday morning is more than 800 pages long.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), a member of the “Gang of Eight,” introduced the bill which runs to 844 pages early Wednesday morning at 2 a.m. …

Early reports suggested that the bill could run to as many as 1,500 pages.

“I’m for immigration reform, but we have 1,600 pages,” Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said. “We’re going to read the details and try to make it acceptable to conservatives.”

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) a member of the bipartisan group, defended the bill in a statement Wednesday.

“This bill marks the beginning of an important debate, and I believe it will fix our broken system by securing our borders, improving interior enforcement, modernizing our legal immigration to help create jobs and protect American workers, and dealing with our undocumented population in a tough but humane way that is fair to those trying to come here the right way and linked to achieving several security triggers,” said Rubio.

The Gang of Eight want to get this addressed immediately, but they’d better not get their hopes up.  According to the Washington Post, opponents plan on slowing the bill down as a means of killing it:

Leading Capitol Hill opponents of the proposal to overhaul the nation’s immigration system are coalescing around a strategy to kill the bill by delaying the legislative process as long as possible, providing time to offer “poison pill” amendments aimed at breaking apart the fragile bipartisan group that developed the plan, according to lawmakers and legislative aides.

The tactics, used successfully by opponents of an immigration bill during a 2007 debate in the Senate, are part of an effort to exploit public fissures over core components of the comprehensive legislation introduced Tuesday by eight lawmakers who spent months negotiating the details. …

An open process “is essential to gaining public confidence in the content of the bill. We know it’s complicated,” said Sen. John Cornyn (Tex.), the top GOP member on the Senate Judiciary Committee’s immigration subcommittee. “I can’t see any reason to undermine confidence by trying to jam it through without adequate time for people to read it and to hear from their constituents.”

Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) called the pace of the legislative process — with Judiciary Committee hearings set for Friday and Monday — a “serious problem.”

I agree with that.  We need to resolve the chronic failures of border security and the broken visa system — about which the 9/11 Commission warned more than eight years ago now — and Democrats won’t address either without trading for normalization.  But before we proceed on the latter, we need to make sure that the final bill will actually resolve those security issues, and a rushed hearing and vote won’t make anyone feel confident in that outcome.  Rubio himself has publicly demanded that kind of process, and he should use his large influence on this group to make sure we get that opportunity.

Fox gives the broad-strokes outline, and frames that core issue:

In total, the bill creates a minimum 13-year path to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, costing them each $2,000 in fines plus additional taxes. Applicants would have to meet other criteria as well in order to qualify.

It’s unclear whether the border security “triggers” will be enough to satisfy skeptical lawmakers. Conservatives say border security improvements should be verified before illegal immigrants can seek citizenship. Illegal immigrant advocates say their pathway should not be held up by that process.

Regardless, the plan dedicates billions to security efforts, including $3 billion to providing more border agents, customs agents and surveillance systems along the border; and $1.5 billion to building up border fencing.

It also includes language meant to assuage concerns that the mass legalization would send millions onto the federal welfare rolls. The bill claims to strengthen a federal law requiring applicants for legal status to prove they won’t become government dependents — some Republicans have claimed this law is rarely enforced.

If nothing else, the guessing games are over.  The actual legislative language now exists, and can be examined thoroughly.  Let’s put a lot of eyeballs on this and see what the Gang of Eight has proposed, and what needs to be improved.

Update: I just received this statement from the office of Senator Jeff Sessions:

“Already, we know that the bill’s sponsors have abandoned their core promise to the American people that enforcement would come first. This bill is legalization first, not enforcement first. The day the bill passes there will be effective amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants, with only the same promises we have heard before of enforcement to occur at some later date. That amnesty will then become official in a matter of months—once DHS merely submits a plan for border security in the future. That’s not a trigger—that’s the honor system. DHS develops the metrics and DHS decides when those metrics are met. Why should we trust DHS to follow through—after amnesty is granted—when this administration has aggressively defied those laws already in place?

In recent years interior enforcement has been significantly undermined. And yet our interior enforcement needs are almost totally neglected in the Gang’s proposal. Alarmingly, the bill leaves intact the single greatest obstacle to immigration reform: the Administration’s abuse of prosecutorial discretion to prevent the enforcement of federal law. It will also provide safe harbor to those who have committed a variety of offenses—ranging from identity theft, to multiple immigration violations, and even those with criminal records.

This bill opens up citizenship to recent arrivals and, remarkably, millions who overstayed their visas. If adopted, this bill would send a message to the world that if you can beat the system, you will be rewarded with citizenship. If adopted, this bill would send the following message to the world: if you get a U.S. visa and it expires, never leave—just stay put and evade detection. It even opens up citizenship to those who have been deported from the country.”

Sesssions has long been skeptical of this effort, and his opposition will be a big problem for the Gang of Eight’s efforts.  The amendment process could fix these issues, but can that be done while holding the coalition together?

Update: Marco Rubio has a FAQ page up on his official site.  He answers the concern about the border-security “triggers”:

Q: What are the security triggers?

This bill fixes our broken immigration system by securing the border with the toughest border security and enforcement measures in U.S. history, based on the following six security triggers:

1. DHS must create, fund and initiate a border security plan (within 6 months of bill’s enactment).

2. DHS must create, fund & initiate a border fence plan (within 6 months of bill’s enactment). 3. DHS must achieve 100 percent border awareness and at least 90 percent apprehension

rates in high-risk sectors of the U.S.-Mexico border (within 5 years of bill’s enactment). 4. If DHS fails to achieve #3, a Border Commission of border state officials and stakeholders is required to create & implement a plan to achieve 100 percent border awareness and at least

90 percent apprehension rates in high-risk sectors of the U.S.-Mexico border (within 10

years of bill’s enactment). 5. Universal E-verify must be implemented (within 10 years of bill’s enactment). 6. Visa exit system must be implemented at all international airports & seaports (within 10 years of bill’s enactment).

Q: Are the security triggers going to be effective?

 Even the media has dubbed these as the “toughest immigration enforcement measures in the history of the United States.” The White House opposed having any security triggers, but this bill requires several triggers that must all meet congressionally mandated performance standards before any undocumented immigrant can apply for temporary status and, eventually, permanent residence. These include establishing, funding, and implementing our border fence plan; achieving 100 percent operational awareness of border and at least a 90 percent apprehension rate or else a border commission steps in to meet those goals; requiring the use of E-Verify by all U.S. employers; and implementing an effective exit system at our airports and seaports. The security triggers are not left at the discretion of politicians with agendas. Real measurable results must be achieved, and politicians cannot override them.

 Q: Which comes first: the border security and enforcement measures, or the legalization for undocumented immigrants? In other words, what happens on day one?

 The most important thing that happens on day one is that the toughest border security and enforcement plan in American history will be the law of the land. Those who came here illegally after the December 31, 2011 cut-off debate will be deported. The enforcement begins by requiring background checks, proof of gainful employment, and payment of fines and taxes. However, before undocumented immigrants even get to this step, the border security and fencing plan to achieve 100 percent border awareness and at least a 90 percent apprehension rate must begin implementation. The fine we’ve established is $2,000, nearly three times what President Obama has pushed for. We set this fine to be tough but realistic, without discouraging people from coming forward.

 

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844 pages? Make every illegal read it and they’ll run back home!

Shy Guy on April 17, 2013 at 9:23 AM

844 pages? Make every illegal read it and they’ll run back home!

Shy Guy on April 17, 2013 at 9:23 AM

I’d settle for making every Senator and Representative read it.

Ed Morrissey on April 17, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Is it written in English or Spanish?

Bishop on April 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Just because a bill is “only” a third of the length of Obamacare doesn’t make me feel any better. I don’t believe for a second that anyone who voted for that monstrosity ever read it and even at a mere 844 pages, I don’t expect the supporters of this travesty to actually know what’s in it before trying to ram it through.

Doughboy on April 17, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Legislate in haste, repent in leisure.

rbj on April 17, 2013 at 9:27 AM

It’s lose/lose for the GOP. It’s not clear witch path; either passing or blocking is the biggest lose.

ronval912 on April 17, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Obama has now endorsed the plan. So we know it’s great for the country and the GOP.

Jon0815 on April 17, 2013 at 9:28 AM

This stupid illegal immigration bill is going nowhere… Even if it passes the Senate it is going to die in the House…

mnjg on April 17, 2013 at 9:28 AM

“and other purposes”…title

PERFECT. Our lawmakers in action. Nothing to see here folks.

Limerick on April 17, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Only 4% of the public believe immigration reform(and gun control too) are important issues right now.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-only-4-americans-think-gun-control-important-problem

Wigglesworth on April 17, 2013 at 9:31 AM

“I think that he has been a very positive force,” Obama said of Rubio.

Jon0815 on April 17, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Today’s gun grabbing legislation has Schumer’s fingerprints all over it. The amnesty bill has Schumer’s fingerprints all over it (I refuse to use the terminology of the left by calling amnesty something like normalization). I’m sure when the left panders to sodomites by trying to eliminate DOMA, Schumer will be in the media glare once again.

Clearly the problem in DC is Schumer.

Happy Nomad on April 17, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Legislate in haste, repent in leisure.

rbj on April 17, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Repent? I don’t recall any politician repenting their vote on anything. You got the legislate in haste part right, though.

fight like a girl on April 17, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Wanna bet they try and pass it at 2AM as well?

catmman on April 17, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Immigration bill drops overnight

Guess the Metamucil worked.

forest on April 17, 2013 at 9:33 AM

It’s lose/lose for the GOP. It’s not clear witch path; either passing or blocking is the biggest lose.

ronval912 on April 17, 2013 at 9:27 AM

The fact that nearly 100% of Dems support this bill should be a pretty big clue that passing it is not in the GOP’s best interest.

Jon0815 on April 17, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Oh screw that, I’m not reading 844 pages of a bill we don’t need. I read through large chunks of Obamacare, that was hell, and then I find out nobody in Congress read it at all. No comprehensive immigration reform, no new gun control.

Daemonocracy on April 17, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Immigration bill drops overnight, like a giant RUBIO TURD.

Pork-Chop on April 17, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Rubio is done politically, at least as a Republican. He just doesn’t know it yet. Just another so called conservative who fell victim to the media narrative.

fight like a girl on April 17, 2013 at 9:35 AM

The bottom line is there is no guarantee of border security or enforcement. The triggers are about making plans and there is always a loophole to continue with a path to citizeship regardless of the conditions on the border. Ed, you are naive if you think this will solve anything. We will have million of new illegal aliens in 10 years unless by that time anyone crossing the border is a de facto legal immigrant.

Wigglesworth on April 17, 2013 at 9:36 AM

So, who’s the other party going to be? We now have the Demorinocans. We need a second party for us conservatives.

Wino on April 17, 2013 at 9:37 AM

For example, we are told that there is no way that the government can find all the people who are in the country illegally and deport them. Does anyone imagine that the government can find all the embezzlers, drunk drivers or bank robbers in the country? And does anyone think that this is a reason why the government should stop trying to enforce laws against embezzlement, drunk driving or bank robbery? Or let embezzlers, drunk drivers and bank robbers “come out of the shadows” and “normalize” their lives?

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/04/17/immigration-sophistry-n1568320

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Axe on April 17, 2013 at 9:37 AM

(4) E

FFECTIVENESS RATE

.—The ‘‘effectiveness

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rate’’, in the case of a border sector, is the percent-

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age calculated by dividing the number of apprehen-

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sions and turn backs in the sector during a fiscal

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year by the total number of illegal entries in the sec-

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tor during such fiscal year.

I don’t want to sound dumb, but how would one know the “number of illegal entries in the sector during a fiscal year” for the calculation if they snuck in? I mean you can only turn back those that you catch sneaking in. This calculation seems flawed to me. What am I missing here?

KickandSwimMom on April 17, 2013 at 9:37 AM

This stupid illegal immigration bill is going nowhere… Even if it passes the Senate it is going to die in the House…

mnjg on April 17, 2013 at 9:28 AM

You can tell yourself that if it makes you feel better, but Boehner has publicly stated he’s open to allowing this bill and the gun control law(assuming it passes the Senate) to go to the floor of the House for a vote even if a majority of Republicans oppose it. Then all it needs is a couple dozen Republicans to join every Democrat in voting in favor of it and it goes to Obama for his signature. It already happened with the fiscal cliff deal.

Doughboy on April 17, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Rubio is done politically, at least as a Republican. He just doesn’t know it yet. Just another so called conservative who fell victim to the media narrative.

fight like a girl on April 17, 2013 at 9:35 AM

How can you say this when the past two GOP candidates for President have been McCain and Romney?

sentinelrules on April 17, 2013 at 9:39 AM

I can carry the entire Constitution in my back pocket. These epic length ‘bills’ written in legalese so that only a lawyer can decipher them are nonsense. I hate these people.

pannw on April 17, 2013 at 9:39 AM

I don’t understand why we would want border security and amnesty together. Amnesty means the border’s open, security means it’s closed. Save what’s left of the stolen money for food.

Axe on April 17, 2013 at 9:40 AM

The fact that nearly 100% of Dems support this bill should be a pretty big clue that passing it is not in the GOP’s best interest.

Jon0815 on April 17, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Bingo! The extreme left would be screaming bloody murder if this were a fair deal. It seems most of the talking heads like Bill O’Reilly and internet blog sites like HA are falling in line.

Another thing about this bill. It is going to increase spending on bureaucracy and create perhaps thousands of new government workers that will pass papers around pretending to do important work.

Wigglesworth on April 17, 2013 at 9:41 AM

How can you say this when the past two GOP candidates for President have been McCain and Romney?

sentinelrules on April 17, 2013 at 9:39 AM

I’m not saying another squishy moderate or liberal Republican won’t win the nomination in 2016. What I will say however is that candidate will never win the White House. I think most conservatives have had it with the constant selling out of the GOP. Look at how many Republican voters stayed home last year in an easily winnable election against a hated incumbent.

Doughboy on April 17, 2013 at 9:42 AM

The buzz is that this bill is written on Hemp paper..
/

Electrongod on April 17, 2013 at 9:42 AM

At 844 pages, you know it can’t be good. Any good law should be able to be written on a couple of pages, with room left for a fancy logo or two. A ‘comprehensive’ law should be able to fit in a single manila folder (remember those?) and have it lie flat.

Anything else is legislators putting in loopholes or other malarkey.

GWB on April 17, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Electrongod on April 17, 2013 at 9:42 AM

i see what you did there:)

renalin on April 17, 2013 at 9:45 AM

The bottom line is there is no guarantee of border security or enforcement. The triggers are about making plans and there is always a loophole to continue with a path to citizeship regardless of the conditions on the border. Ed, you are naive if you think this will solve anything. We will have million of new illegal aliens in 10 years unless by that time anyone crossing the border is a de facto legal immigrant.

Wigglesworth on April 17, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Yeah, the border security measures in the bill are a joke. All it does is commission DHS to come up with a plan, but there are so many ways for the federal government to get around it. All they have to do is wait a few years and essentially do nothing.

Doughboy on April 17, 2013 at 9:45 AM

(2) ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS OF REGISTERED PROVISIONAL IMMIGRANTS

(A) IN GENERAL.

—Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the Secretary may not adjust the status of aliens who have been granted registered provisional immigrant status, except for aliens granted agriculture card status under section 2201 of this Act or described in section 245D(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, until the Secretary, after consultation with the Comptroller General of the United States, submits to the President and Congress a written certification that—

(i) the Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy has been submitted to Congress and is substantially deployed and substantially operational;

(ii) the Southern Border Fencing Strategy has been submitted to Congress, implemented, and is substantially completed;

Huge holes in this right here. This is a farce and I’m only on page 11 of the bill.

KickandSwimMom on April 17, 2013 at 9:45 AM

And if the perpetrator or perpetrators who were behind the Boston bombings turns out to be here on a Visa or here illegally, that would jeopardize this bill so the rush to get it passed now is even more imperative. The safety and security of the American people is not nearly as important as the political ambitions of our elected officials.

fight like a girl on April 17, 2013 at 9:46 AM

In total, the bill creates a minimum 13-year path to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, costing them each $2,000 in fines plus additional taxes. Applicants would have to meet other criteria as well in order to qualify.

That’s going to surprise the hell out of all the illegals that have never desired citizenship.

Also, I never wanted a pound of flesh from anyone. I don’t want to tie illegals to posts and whip them for their crimes, and after they’ve paid, forgive and forget. I never hated the jackass, even though he has no respect for me, my law, or my country

– time out –

Axe on April 17, 2013 at 9:46 AM

With all due respect to Sessions, we knew legalization would come first. It was part of the gangs’ outline at the outset.

dforston on April 17, 2013 at 9:46 AM

The proponents of this bill continue to argue that it is “tough” on illegal immigrants because it requires a minimum of 13 years to get through the “path to citizenship.” But why do we keep assuming that the goal of a majority of illegal immigrants is to obtain citizenship?

Illegal immigrants, for the most part, do not come here because they are chasing the dream of becoming Americans. They come here because they live in economically depressed areas where they cannot find work to support their families. They want jobs, not citizenship. They just want to be able to send money home for their families to live on.

If this bill passes, every single one of those people is able to be here working and earning money legally. The path to citizenship is irrelevant. Legal employment status has already been achieved, and is the only thing they would care about.

Shump on April 17, 2013 at 9:47 AM

We don’t need a bill. We don’t need to change the law we don’t and won’t enforce. We need to enforce the law as-written. Unless and until we do, my ears are deaf to all “the law is inadequate” arguments.

gryphon202 on April 17, 2013 at 9:49 AM

But before we proceed on the latter, we need to make sure that the final bill will actually resolve those security issues

Illegal immigration itself is a security issue because it deforms the demos itself… it is a direct attack on democracy… it doesn’t matter if they’re violent or not.

ninjapirate on April 17, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Byron York has a different take on the Dem propaganda regarding border security.

“According to internal reports, Border Patrol agents used the airborne radar to help find and detain 1,874 people in the Sonora Desert between October 1 [2012] and January 17 [2013],” reported the Los Angeles Times last week. “But the radar system spotted an additional 1,962 people in the same area who evaded arrest and disappeared into the United States.”

Seems the border is not more secure than it’s ever been.

antipc on April 17, 2013 at 9:50 AM

If this bill passes, every single one of those people is able to be here working and earning money legally. The path to citizenship is irrelevant. Legal employment status has already been achieved, and is the only thing they would care about.

Shump on April 17, 2013 at 9:47 AM

We have a path to citizenship for anyone who wants it badly enough. It’s called “following the law.”

gryphon202 on April 17, 2013 at 9:52 AM

We’ve already been hearing about illegals pouring over the border in order to be here before amnesty. It doesn’t matter whether they’d be included or not. It doesn’t matter what the language of the bill is. THEY think they’ll be legalized.

And to be very frank, I don’t want the increase in legalized immigration either. We already take in a MILLION per YEAR. That’s an extra ten million per decade. No. It’s not acceptable. We don’t even have enough jobs for ourselves. We can’t afford any more strain to our welfare system or our public services and infrastructure.

Murf76 on April 17, 2013 at 9:53 AM

The day the bill passes there will be effective amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants, with only the same promises we have heard before of enforcement to occur at some later date.

1986 – “There will be NO more amnesty. We will secure our borders!”

GarandFan on April 17, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Press 1 for- stoooooped.

docflash on April 17, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Legislate in haste, repent in leisure.

rbj on April 17, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Whatever the hell the gang of 8 is doing, it is not legislating. Good public policy is not dropped at 2am by a criminal like Chuck Schumer.

Happy Nomad on April 17, 2013 at 9:57 AM

The fact that nearly 100% of Dems support this bill should be a pretty big clue that passing it is not in the GOP’s best interest.

Jon0815 on April 17, 2013 at 9:33 AM

This bill is not in the country’s best interest. That ought to be the GOP’s message.

monalisa on April 17, 2013 at 9:58 AM

It also includes language meant to assuage concerns that the mass legalization would send millions onto the federal welfare rolls. The bill claims to strengthen a federal law requiring applicants for legal status to prove they won’t become government dependents — some Republicans have claimed this law is rarely enforced.

Rarely enforced? What a joke. It has never been enforced by the Obama administration. Federal law says immigrants should not be admitted to the U.S. if there is a likelihood that they will become a public charge. Know how many visas the Obama administration has denied to applicants based on the “public charge” law? Zero.

Current federal law also prohibits illegal aliens from receiving public benefits like food stamps. The Obama administration blatantly ignores this law, and even uses our tax dollars to advertise to illegal aliens that they are eligible for food stamps, and assures them that it won’t hurt their chances of getting legalized if they’re receiving food stamps!

Americans should understand that this amnesty bill, if passed, will not only give immediate legal status to millions of illegal aliens, but it also permits them to bring in unlimited numbers of family members from their home countries. Not only does the bill continue our insane chain migration policies, but it actually expands them by enlarging the definition of “immediate family” members.

It is impossible to overstate how destructive this bill would be to our country.

AZCoyote on April 17, 2013 at 9:58 AM

We need to resolve the chronic failures of border security and the broken visa system — about which the 9/11 Commission warned more than eight years ago now — and Democrats won’t address either without trading for normalization.

Actually, they’ll demand “normalization”, and then do everything they can to maintain the status quo on those other issues. They give them what they want- lots and lots of undocumented voters.

It’s going to be 1987 all over again. A couple of more “immigration reform” plans like this and we will have the one-party state the Dems have dreamed of since Abolition blew up in their faces.

It amazes me that more people do not understand that all “progressives” care about is power. And that since they believe they are “entitled” to it, any and all means are justified to seize it.

As Reagan said of the USSR, they believe they are entitled to lie, cheat, steal, and even kill to get what they want. (ask Brian Terry’s family about that last bit.) And if doing nothing about the border situation will allow them to steal elections, now and in the future, rest assured that they will do nothing.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 17, 2013 at 9:58 AM

You can tell yourself that if it makes you feel better, but Boehner has publicly stated he’s open to allowing this bill and the gun control law(assuming it passes the Senate) to go to the floor of the House for a vote even if a majority of Republicans oppose it. Then all it needs is a couple dozen Republicans to join every Democrat in voting in favor of it and it goes to Obama for his signature. It already happened with the fiscal cliff deal.

Doughboy on April 17, 2013 at 9:38 AM

OK this stupid immigration bill is going to become law this year… (super extreme sarcasm)…

mnjg on April 17, 2013 at 9:59 AM

The fact that nearly 100% of Dems support this bill should be a pretty big clue that passing it is not in the GOP’s best interest.

Jon0815 on April 17, 2013 at 9:33 AM

I don’t give a greasy brown shit what’s in the GOP’s best interest. I want what’s in America’s best interest.

gryphon202 on April 17, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Long written, confusing Bills
are a measure to confuse people.
The masses won’t understand it or read it-wait for poli’s(media)
to explain to them how grand it is (like OB care)
and presto..Govt goal achieved.

If it was simple, clear and concise-they would have
and problem with the wool pulling.

bazil9 on April 17, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Sessions spot on…free pass then enforcement

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Yeah, the border security measures in the bill are a joke. All it does is commission DHS to come up with a plan, but there are so many ways for the federal government to get around it. All they have to do is wait a few years and essentially do nothing.

Doughboy on April 17, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Future Congresses do not have to go along with this steaming pile of Schumer. I am certain that before the path to amnesty is complete there will be legislation fast-tracking citizenship for the illegals.

Happy Nomad on April 17, 2013 at 10:00 AM

So, who’s the other party going to be? We now have the Demorinocans. We need a second party for us conservatives.

Wino on April 17, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Seriously, the white democratic elites think that the hispanic voters that they are importing will quietly just vote democratic and let the white elite democratics continue to govern them?

When the hispanics reach a critical mass they will create their own party, or push the whites out of the democratic party and take it over. Black democratics will end up in a race-huckster rump party.

We are headed for a major fracture of the two-party system based on color. You can’t import thirty million Mexicans and expect that they will no longer be Mexicans.

slickwillie2001 on April 17, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Sessions spot on…free pass then enforcement

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 10:00 AM

I didn’t need Sessions to tell me that.

gryphon202 on April 17, 2013 at 10:01 AM

What the heck is ‘border awareness’? Look, we have people crossing the border?

Limerick on April 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Bishop dont forget the other languages

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM

It already happened with the fiscal cliff deal.

Doughboy on April 17, 2013 at 9:38 AM

The fiscal cliff deal is the biggest defeat for liberalism… They convinced every idiot on the left and the right that they have won but in reality they have voted against the heart of liberalism when they made the Bush tax rates permanent for 99.5% of the people…

mnjg on April 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM

I was hoping you meant dropped as in let go.

RDE2010 on April 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM

The fiscal cliff deal is the biggest defeat for liberalism… They convinced every idiot on the left and the right that they have won but in reality they have voted against the heart of liberalism when they made the Bush tax rates permanent for 99.5% of the people…

mnjg on April 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM

That’s not saying much. We traded the fiscal cliff deal for…wait for it…

OBAMACARE.

What a defeat for liberalism.

/ptooey

gryphon202 on April 17, 2013 at 10:03 AM

1. DHS must create, fund and initiate a border security plan (within 6 months of bill’s enactment).

2. DHS must create, fund & initiate a border fence plan (within 6 months of bill’s enactment). 3. DHS must achieve 100 percent border awareness and at least 90 percent apprehension

Bullshit.

portlandon on April 17, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Sesssions has long been skeptical of this effort, and his opposition will be a big problem for the Gang of Eight’s efforts.

Well, he makes some excellent points. The federal government has ALREADY displayed its contempt for the Rule of Law in this matter, refusing to enforce the laws we already have. Who in their right mind would believe that this will be any different?

Sorry, but in order to get rank and file Republicans, they’re going to have to get Jeff Sessions first. If they can’t write a bill that gets Sessions on board, it’s not worth our consideration. Bottom line.

Murf76 on April 17, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Why do democrats want to pass this bill so eagerly? Because it dovetails so nicely with their long game of getting overwheming numbers of new democrat voters. Even though it’s 10 years out. Democrats are planning the future. No republican in office should have any part of this. There is no way a democrat would collaborate with a republican on a bill, unless it benefits them more than the republican. Yet this is exactly what we have here.

Red Creek on April 17, 2013 at 10:04 AM

What the heck is ‘border awareness’? Look, we have people crossing the border?

Limerick on April 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Brought to you by the same government that brought us, “Abortion is about women’s health” and “violating the second amendment is about gun safety.”

gryphon202 on April 17, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Border security first. Base that upon expert assessments of those with experience, not some pinhead policy wonk sitting in a liberal think tank. Regarding eventual assessment, I’m not sure what makes most sense.

Regarding the status quo, let’s start offering bounties to anyone who identifies illegal immigrants. Round them up, so that we can see what we’re dealing with. If you came here illegally AND have been operating with a stolen ID or fake papers, you and yours are automatically deported. No excuses–the border violation is bad enough, the deception on top of it is unforgivable.

Those here illegally could do things to improve their chances of staying or shorten a path by blowing the whistle on gang members. I want all the gang members given a choice: death or deportation. For gang members, determine their country of origin, load them on a military transport, give them a parachute, then fly over their country, and push them out.

Get the E-verify program going nationally.

And for the evangelical pastors, like mine, who are going soft on the issue, I say that congregations should have to sponsor whomever they want to keep, making them financially responsible for the illegals’ needs for the living generation and the next. Their flock can put their money where their mouths are, they can solicit money from private foundations, and they can solicit money from big-money people in their local communities. But in all events, their sponsored families would not receive a dime of money from any governmental entity and the church would receive no governmental grants for any purpose.

In short, let’s thin the herd before talking about paths to citizenship and while we’re shoring up the border.

BuckeyeSam on April 17, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Sorry, but in order to get rank and file Republicans, they’re going to have to get Jeff Sessions first. If they can’t write a bill that gets Sessions on board, it’s not worth our consideration. Bottom line.

Murf76 on April 17, 2013 at 10:04 AM

How many other bills “not worth our consideration” had votes and were voted into law anyway?

gryphon202 on April 17, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Update: Marco Rubio has a FAQ page up on his official site. He answers the concern about the border-security “triggers”:

He doesn’t answer them very well. If wishes were horses, we would all be riding.

DHS must do this, that and the other thing…or what? Congress sends them a strongly worded letter?

Vince on April 17, 2013 at 10:06 AM

The federal government has ALREADY displayed its contempt for the Rule of Law in this matter, refusing to enforce the laws we already have. Who in their right mind would believe that this will be any different?

Murf76 on April 17, 2013 at 10:04 AM

+ 1 million

bazil9 on April 17, 2013 at 10:06 AM

It’s an unfortunate reality that the issues one feels most passionately about, one is least capable of arguing dispassionately. :)

I’ll actively oppose anyone who supports the bill, party notwithstanding, “up and coming darling” notwithstanding. I’m done with you. You’re my Jane Fonda. I apologize for not being able to explain why without swearing. It’s a character flaw, and I’m working on it.

Alarmingly, the bill leaves intact the single greatest obstacle to immigration reform: the Administration’s abuse of prosecutorial discretion to prevent the enforcement of federal law. It will also provide safe harbor to those who have committed a variety of offenses—ranging from identity theft, to multiple immigration violations, and even those with criminal records.

(Sesssions, above)

If legal benefits are conferred on illegal immigrants before the border is secured, we may as well give up any pretense that we have an immigration policy, because benefits conferred are never going to be taken back, no matter how porous the border remains.

(Sowell again)

Axe on April 17, 2013 at 10:06 AM

All the amnesty shills, including Bill O’Reilly, have been telling us that we have to pass immigration reform, because it’s just too unfair to expect illegal aliens who’ve been living in the U.S. for many years, and who think of themselves as Americans, to return to their home countries and apply for visas. These people have put down deep roots here, we’re told, and have lived here so long that they no longer have any real connection to the countries they came from. They’re just as American as you and me.

Now take a look at the cut-off date for amnesty in the bill: 12/31/2011.

Illegal aliens who have been in the U.S. for a mere 16 months (or who are willing to create a fake utility bill with a 2011 date on it) will now be eligible for amnesty. Sixteen months.

This bill is a joke. And the joke’s on us.

AZCoyote on April 17, 2013 at 10:08 AM

In total, the bill creates a minimum 13-year path to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, costing them each $2,000 in fines plus additional taxes. Applicants would have to meet other criteria as well in order to qualify.

Minimum of 13-year path? I don’t think so – not for Dreamers. And be advised that Dreamers, in reality, includes just about any illegal between the age of 19 and 35. Dreamers are put on a 5-year path to citizenship, and can actually get citizenship faster than that if they want to.

Additionally, this legislation as of now will even expand the definition of immediate relative. So with chain migration, Dreamers will be able to bring many more. This opens the door for millions more to come.

I’ll repeat what I said on another thread:

Secure the damn border!
Start enforcing CURRENT immigration laws!
THEN, maybe we’ll talk about major reforms.

This bill is a Rube Goldberg monstrosity that is so complicated, another massive expansion of government will be required to implement it. It creates a maze that immigrants must go through to get on a “path” to citizenship. Actually, it’s amnesty as soon as they start on the path, with vague “promises” of border enforcement. It’s a disaster.

TarheelBen on April 17, 2013 at 10:08 AM

True gryphon but it needs yo be said by all

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 10:08 AM

This bill is not in the country’s best interest. That ought to be the GOP’s message.

monalisa on April 17, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Of course, but some Republicans are trying to win GOP support for this bill with the absurd claim that it will help the GOP, so that needs to be rebutted.

Jon0815 on April 17, 2013 at 10:10 AM

3. DHS must achieve 100 percent border awareness and at least 90 percent apprehension

Do they sometimes forget that there is a border?

Vince on April 17, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Let me guess: not a damned word about identity theft/SSN fraud in the bill.

Illegal immigrants typically use a stolen/false SSN for work (then medical and credit etc) many of which belong to children. All the ‘reform’ bills I’ve seen just ignore this.

No disclosure of SSN used is required, no victim notification, no mechanism for clearing corrupt information from the victim’s record, no means for restitution. It’s all swept under the rug like it doesn’t exist…and victims are left to bear the costs of cleaning up the mess.

batter on April 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Rubio is done as a rising star conservative. Change his profile to compassionate conservative.

Ukiah on April 17, 2013 at 10:12 AM

However, before undocumented immigrants even get to this step, the border security and fencing plan to achieve 100 percent border awareness and at least a 90 percent apprehension rate must begin implementation.

We don’t need a plan to build a fence–we already had one under Bush that was scrapped by Obama. How about we start the legalization procedure after the fence is actually built?

Steve Z on April 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Even the media has dubbed these as the “toughest immigration enforcement measures in the history of the United States.”

Oooohhhhh Even the media…. *rolls eyes*

ninjapirate on April 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM

So tired of us being attacked from every front over and over again. We’re getting run over even more than from 2008-2010 when the leftists owned every seat of power in government. Why is this happening?

njrob on April 17, 2013 at 10:15 AM

How many other bills “not worth our consideration” had votes and were voted into law anyway?

gryphon202 on April 17, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Obamacare for one. Yeah, you’ve got a point. We’re going to have to get noisy like we did last time. They can’t get it passed without the House, so we need to make it crystal clear to Republicans representatives that we’re not going tolerate this. If that means running some third-party conservatives for 2014 and putting some RINOs out on their asses… so be it.

I honestly don’t know what these people are thinking. They did the post mortem after this last election and came to all the wrong conclusions. It’s wasn’t the Latino vote. Amnesty won’t accomplish significant enough gains there anyway. They’ll take their citizenship and vote Democrat just like they always do. It’s about rebuilding TRUST with Republican voters. And I can guarantee you that anything Schmucky Schumer is for… is something the rest of us would be wise to be against.

Murf76 on April 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Rubio’s FFAQ.

Those who came here illegally after the December 31, 2011 cut-off debate will be deported.

I thought you couldn’t find them. How can you find them but no one else? People coming into the country illegally after that date glow in the dark or something?

However, before undocumented immigrants even get to this step, the border security and fencing plan to achieve 100 percent border awareness and at least a 90 percent apprehension rate must begin implementation.

Maybe it should achieve 200% “Border Awareness” and 127% “Unicorn Affinity” and 16.275% “Other Meaningless Phrase Sensitivity” first. And way to carefully say “must begin,” not “must be achieved.” You didn’t say 90% must be achieved, it just must begin to be achieved. Like my marriage to Kate Beckinsale, which I have begun to achieve.

The fine we’ve established is $2,000, nearly three times what President Obama has pushed for. We set this fine to be tough but realistic, without discouraging people from coming forward.

I never asked you to fine anyone. I asked you to secure the border and begin to achieve deporting people who are in the country illegally.

Axe on April 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Is it written in English or Spanish?

Bishop on April 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Neither – it’s in Bureaucratic.

Steve Eggleston on April 17, 2013 at 10:21 AM

BTW, why isn’t anyone talking about the Plyler v Doe loophole? Will we still have people coming in illegally putting their kids in public schools?

ninjapirate on April 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM

well that had to be the fastest a pol sunk in quite a while…I must recalibrate my scorecard for the donations I made in 2010 and put Rubio on the loser side. Man that DC kiss is hard to resist eh Marco? so much promise, so little backbone

I don’t think Charlie Crist would have been worse than this guy. At least I would not have put any faith in him like I did Rubio.

DanMan on April 17, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Q: What are the security triggers?

This bill fixes our broken immigration system by securing the border with the toughest border security and enforcement measures in U.S. history, based on the following six security triggers:

1. DHS must create, fund and initiate a border security plan (within 6 months of bill’s enactment).

2. DHS must create, fund & initiate a border fence plan (within 6 months of bill’s enactment). 3. DHS must achieve 100 percent border awareness and at least 90 percent apprehension

Even the FAQ on Rubio’s website indicates that border security merely needs to be initiated. Also, the 90% apprehension rate calculation is flawed as it only calculates the the number of apprehensions by the number of illegal entries in a sector. Question is, how do they come up with the illegal entries number when it is impossible to know how many evaded surveillance and apprehension?

Remember, the requirements of the border is for it merely to be initiated. How long before it is fully implemented? There could be a lot of illegals evading surveillance and apprehension during that gap of time.

Also, in subparagraph (B) of the ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS OF REGISTERED PROVISIONAL IMMIGRANTS:

(B) EXCEPTION.

—The Secretary shall permit registered provisional immigrants to apply for an adjustment to lawful permanent resident status if—

(i)(I) litigation or a force majeure has prevented one or more of the conditions described in clauses (i) through (iv) of subparagraph (A) from being implemented; or

(II) the implementation of subparagraph (A) has been held unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States or the Supreme Court has granted certiorari to the litigation on the constitutionality of implementation of subparagraph (A); and

ii) 10 years have elapsed since the date of the enactment of this Act.

It seems that illegals will be able to apply for adjustment of status if there is litigation that prevents the implementation of border enforcement, or the border enforcement mechanisms are deemed unconstitutional AND 10 years has elapsed from the date this bill is enacted.

NOT LIKING THIS AT ALL -

KickandSwimMom on April 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Gang of Ocho … EPIC FAIL

SheVee on April 17, 2013 at 10:26 AM

That’s not saying much. We traded the fiscal cliff deal for…wait for it…

OBAMACARE.

What a defeat for liberalism.

/ptooey

gryphon202 on April 17, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Obamacare became law way before the fiscal cliff deal and when democrats were in total control in Congress…

PS: Obamacare is going to collapse on its own and much sooner than many people think…

mnjg on April 17, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Is it written in English or Spanish?

Bishop on April 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Press numero cinco

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on April 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Even the media has dubbed these as the “toughest immigration enforcement measures in the history of the United States.”

Oooohhhhh Even the media…. *rolls eyes*

ninjapirate on April 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Not like it makes any difference anyway. No matter how “tough” the requirements are on paper, we already know they’ll never be enforced in practice. First, the Obama administration refuses to enforce existing immigration laws, and it also refuses to enforce existing federal laws regarding illegal aliens not being eligible to receive welfare, food stamps, etc.

Second, even if the Obama administration wanted to enforce these “tough” new requirements that illegal aliens pay back taxes, go through background checks, etc., the fact is that DHS does not have either the money or the personnel (never mind the political will) to enforce these requirements for millions of illegal aliens. We already have a backlog of legal immigration applications, but somehow processing unlimited millions of amnesty applications — many from illegals who’ve used multiple false identities in the U.S. — will be a snap.

We all know that if this bill gets passed, Napolitano will be doing nothing more than rubber-stamping every amnesty application that gets submitted — just like in the 1986 amnesty. (Nappy will also be liberally using her authority to waive the “tough” $500 fine for illegals — any illegal who claims they can’t afford to pay the fine will get an automatic “hardship” waiver).

The “border security” targets in the bill are also a scam. But we knew that already.

AZCoyote on April 17, 2013 at 10:33 AM

batter on April 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

…and guess what? Sec 2017(a) title “CORRECTION OF SOCIAL SECURITY RECORDS” explicitly exempts the illegal immigrant from prosecution of social security fraud/id theft without an notification/means/assistance for victims to reclaim their tainted records.

That is amnesty pure and simple. Worse, it punishes the innocent and rewards the perpetrator.

batter on April 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM

costing them each $2,000 in fines plus additional taxes

Hahahahahahahaha… that’s a drop in the bucket. These are some of the same people that paid smugglers over $5000 to get across the border, even before getting their tax free jobs in the United States.

ButterflyDragon on April 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM

The Rubio FAQ Bay of Pigs……

buh bye Marco

dmann on April 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM

just imagine what Rubio’s amnesty bill would have looked like if Mitt was president.

renalin on April 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Press numero cinco

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on April 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Marque el numero cinco”. Get it right, man!

bofh on April 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

844 pages! These dimbulbs in the Senate, especially the dumbocrats but also most of the republitards, all think they are so much smarter than our Founders. The damned Constitution and Bill of Rights is Six (6) pages long!! Why do these raving idiots need 844 pages! to spell out immigration when the Founders took 6 pages! to spell out this whole country that has lasted for 275 years? Why do they need 2500+! pages to tell us how to go to the doctor when the Founders took 6! pages to tell us how this whole country would be formed?

If only Rand Paul or Ted Cruz could push a bill through to limit legislation to be no longer than the Founding Documents we could solve so many problems.

These pompous a$$holes in congress think they’re so friggin smart? The length of their legistative documents clearly demonstrates that they are as dumb as rocks, and how much trouble this country is really in.

NOMOBO on April 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

mnjg on April 17, 2013 at 10:28 AM

the gope want obamacare more than the dems. its here to stay. in some shape of form.

the tentacles have grown roots.

renalin on April 17, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. said after meeting with President Obama Tuesday afternoon that the security provisions in the bill would assure “we won’t have a third wave” of illegal immigration
“It’s not amnesty,” he added, preemptively responding to criticism of the pathway to legal status.

Aaahh…the new talking points have been decided upon. Rubio said it first, now McCain.
Sure guys, by all means…try to drum up support for reform within the base by starting the conversation with a lie. We just love it when you play us for fools.
The vermin in the GOP can’t even start with the truth. Cowards.

lynncgb on April 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Why not just have an open door policy? Hell has one.

stillings on April 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

explicitly exempts the illegal immigrant from prosecution of social security fraud/id theft without an notification/means/assistance for victims to reclaim their tainted records.

Sec 2215 Subchapter B—Correction of Social Security Records does the same thing.

batter on April 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

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