Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on April 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

Former abortion clinic worker James Johnson testified today during the murder trial of Kermit Gosnell and provided jurors with a nauseating account of the horrific conditions at the abortion facility…

His job was to collect abortion remains and take them to basement — but he eventually refused to participate and bags began piling up.

He told the jury toilets backed up one-two times a week and said he opened the outside clean out pipe and fetal parts such as babies’ arms came spilling out.

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I think it’s important to recognize that this particular procedure is nowhere in the medical literature. When a procedure that usually involves the collapsing of the skull is done, it’s usually done when the fetus is still in the uterus, not when the fetus has been delivered.

So this technique that he does is nowhere in the lexicon of practice in abortion care. So, in terms of thinking about the difference between the way abortion providers who do later abortions in the United States practice, and this particular practice, they are completely worlds apart.

Traditionally, when that procedure is done which involves the collapsing of the skull, it’s done at the junction between the later second trimester and the beginning of the third trimester — that’s around 24 weeks. It is not done at this significantly later period.

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It’s natural to think that some of the lack of interest stems from the gruesomeness of the details. Gosnell’s “practice” was so grisly that some people might wish to turn away and ignore the nightmare. But unpalatable images and facts don’t stop the media from reporting on the horrors of famine-stricken North Korea, even though there are almost no pictures available. It seems undeniable, then, that abortion politics played a role in the blackout. When Mullane asked a member of the court’s staff why there was so little media interest, the man pointed to the filthy medical equipment set up in the courtroom as an exhibit and asked, “If you’re pro-choice, do you really want anybody to know about this?”

It’s sad that it took a liberal such as [Kirsten] Powers to shame so many journos into waking up and doing their jobs. The blunt truth is that if a conservative had written her piece, the response would have been far more muted — or journalists would have attacked the messenger.

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The problem with Kermit Gosnell, the Philadelphia abortionist on trial for killing a mother and at least seven infants born alive after botched abortions, is that the government has too many anti-abortion regulations and not enough public funds for providing abortions to poor women. That’s according to the participants on a conference call hosted by RH Reality Check, a news and commentary website focused on “reproductive & sexual health and justice.”

The speakers on the call agreed that excessively stringent government regulations on abortion practices keep the practice “far away from professional medicine.” This results in, they argue, the kind of hellish, underground abortion clinics like Gosnell’s.

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As Baby Boy A lay in that plastic shoebox, he didn’t look any different than a sleeping newborn. In the picture one of Gosnell’s aides took, you see his hair, his pinkish skin tone. That was the boy that Gosnell is now accused of murdering. And that’s also what babies look like when one of Gosnell’s law-abiding colleagues, such as late-term abortionist LeRoy Carhart, who operates in Germantown, Md., snips their spines with scissors.

In his first U.S. Senate race, Obama used Carhart’s procedure as a fundraising pitch. In a 2004 campaign mailing, Michelle Obama tried to rally the donor base by explaining how Republicans were trying to ban partial-birth abortion, “a legitimate medical procedure,” as Michelle put it.

The most substantive difference between the partial-birth abortions on which Obama fundraised and Gosnell’s abortions is this: Dr. Gosnell did the snipping outside of the mother’s birth canal, while Dr. Carhart reaches his scissors inside the woman’s vagina to snip the baby’s spine.

This fact points us to the most likely reason the mainstream media ignored the story as long as possible: The Gosnell story has an inherent pro-life bias, because the Gosnell story leads us to discussing abortion procedures.

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Which “side” was Dr. Frankenstein to Dr. Gosnell? Well, there’s no mystery about where Gosnell could have gotten the idea that his youngest victims weren’t human, or entitled to any protection under the law. There aren’t just two sides, though, but a whole continuum of points of view, from those who see several cells as a legal person to those who insist that even a baby who could walk Kermit Gosnell to the bus stop is only a person if his mom says so.

Gosnell himself seemed confused, when he was charged with so many counts of murder, as to how that could be. Because even at that point, he didn’t appear to see the children he’s accused of beheading as people

Recently, MSNBC host Melissa Harris mocked those who see a fertilized egg as a fully human person: “I get,” she said, “that that’s a particular kind of faith claim that’s not associated with science.”

But I wish she and those who agree with her also got this: To insist that a baby born at 30 weeks, as one of Gosnell’s victims was, only qualifies as a person if his mom decides to keep him is also “a particular kind of faith claim that’s not associated with science.”

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The behavior of news organizations often owes more to chaos theory than conspiracy theory. I don’t think that editors and reporters got together and decided not to give the Gosnell trial a lot of attention because it would highlight the evils of abortion.

I do think that it wasn’t on their radar screen – and that it should have been. The murders of seven newborn babies, done so horrifically, would be no ordinary crime. Any suggestion, including mine on Friday, that this is just another murder trial is a miscalculation. And it’s certainly possible that journalists who were more in touch with conservative voices and causes would have picked up on the importance of this trial sooner…

Those who have called for more attention to this grisly and disturbing trial are right. But some of them — because of their accusations of politics overcoming news judgment – are right for the wrong reasons.

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What do we mean when we call for the abolition of the Roe regime? Simply this: a reversal of Supreme Court precedent, an acknowledgment by the court that it erred when it decided Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey. That would turn the question of abortion back to the states and the people, where the 10th Amendment makes clear it belongs.

The abortion debate needs more politics, not less. As we noted above, drawing the line between acceptable abortion and homicide is necessarily an arbitrary exercise. For judges to issue arbitrary rulings is a corruption of the judicial function. But the production of arbitrary results–imperfect but workable arrangements that can be revised if necessary to adapt to new circumstances or knowledge–is the essence of politics.

A reversal of Roe and Casey would no more yield a consensus than the decisions themselves did. Neither the worst pro-abortion fears nor the fondest antiabortion hopes would be realized. Abortion would remain legal in many states, and any hope for a “Human Life Amendment” to the Constitution would be a pipe dream, the same as it is today. But in the absence of consensus, politics in a democratic republic would produce that least bad outcome: compromise.

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My sense is that, with the outpouring over the Gosnell case, the reportorial dynamic on life issues is due for a sea change. Abortion on the pro-life side of the ledger is no longer a niche concern and journalists would do well to acknowledge this and adjust their coverage accordingly. Either that or get ready for thousands upon thousands of angry tweets.

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In a HuffPost Live segment today on the issue, host Marc Lamont Hill made clear where his theoretical thinking lay:

“For what it’s worth, I do think that those of us on the left have made a decision not to cover this trial because we worry that it’ll compromise abortion rights. Whether you agree with abortion or not, I do think there’s a direct connection between the media’s failure to cover this and our own political commitments on the left. I think it’s a bad idea, I think it’s dangerous, but I think that’s the way it is.”


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Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 2:44 AM

I see your point, however, I disagree.

We are not to blame for the people we elect choosing membership in that private club known as ‘congress’ over the promises they made and responsibilities to their constituents and the oath of office they swore to uphold. That’s entirely their own failure.

We have a right to expect that these people keep their word and act in an ethical manner. They are public servants and administrators and they actually represent us by proxy in congress. They are not elected to decide what is best for us, they are not elected to lead us, they are not to reign over us, they are elected to serve us and literally stand in our stead in congress.

We should not have to mass together on the mall in Washington to get them to do their duty as mandated under the constitution, which is the law of the land.

What I believe we should do is start removing them from office and see to it that term limits are implemented to prevent that membership in the private club that is our political class.

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2013 at 2:53 AM

My elbow and jaw are in pretty good shape.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 2:50 AM

Lol. Try switching up arms while eating. :P

NotCoach on April 17, 2013 at 2:54 AM

arnold ziffel on April 17, 2013 at 2:43 AM

It’s beginning to appear that this is the case. :)

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2013 at 2:55 AM

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 2:48 AM

And the Black Panthers. And the hiring practices. Lying to a congressional committee investigating criminal conduct in the DOJ. Ignoring felons who try to buy guns. Opposing voter ID. It just goes on and on with the most corrupt and incompetent AG in US history.

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 2:56 AM

I guess kermit has no conscience whatsoever.

SparkPlug on April 17, 2013 at 2:58 AM

On The Road Again

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 2:58 AM

Every time people say the Bush family has class, decent folks, blah blah, I say BS. They remain silent while the country self destructs, and Carter, Clinton and Obama stoke the fires.

arnold ziffel on April 17, 2013 at 2:10 AM

And if George Bush did speak out about the unConstitutional reign of lil barry…what would the reaction be?

The regime would go into overdrive to destroy him and his family – with the complicity of the rabble.

Why should he subject himself to that? Even his “supporters” have been having a fine time finding fault with what he did or didn’t do.

And, the current regime was put into place -TWICE – by the (ostensible) majority of the people. It must be what they want. It’s certainly what the regime lickspittles deserve. (Unfortunately, they’re dragging the rest of us down with them.) And the hoi polloi prefers to be led by the likes of obama, clinton, carter and kerry. They’re kewl, don’tcha know. And they ‘care’. And they give them free ‘stuff’.

No, if GWB spoke out about the current regime, it would only serve as a vehicle for lil barry to tighten his stranglehold on America and those of us remaining who prefer to be left in peace and freedom rather than swallowed by the state.

Maybe Bush is of the “let it burn” frame of mind. And I don’t really blame him.

Solaratov on April 17, 2013 at 3:01 AM

Slow Dancing In A Burning Room – Mayer

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always. See you soon.

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2013 at 3:01 AM

G’night Jackie

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:03 AM

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2013 at 2:53 AM

We don’t really disagree, I’m sure that most of these people went into public service believing that they were going to work for the people. It doesn’t take long before they aren’t doing what they promised (and benefiting from it) but cover it by saying they know best. That said, we still keep sending them back. What is the best way to send the message that we are unhappy? We don’t have the bucks that Bloomberg has so town halls are good but they caught on to that PDQ and don’t have them anymore. I still think local Tea Parties are the best answer but even I don’t want to go.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 3:05 AM

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 2:56 AM

I don’t know how old you are but I don’t expect to be alive when that becomes obvious to the rest of the world.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 3:06 AM

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 3:05 AM

I worked for one of the most corrupt county governments in the country and I can tell you the pressure to go along and get along is immense. If you need the job it is soul-crushing.

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:08 AM

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:08 AM

I do wonder what the career people, that have been there through multiple administrations, think about what is going on. Apparently no one feels strongly enough to blow the whistle. You would think some retiring public servant would give us an inside view.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 3:11 AM

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 3:06 AM

I expect it to become obvious about 2 months into the next Republican administration when they discover the magnitude of the corruption.

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:11 AM

I expect it to become obvious about 2 months into the next Republican administration when they discover the magnitude of the corruption.

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:11 AM

If you mean the LSM, they’ll be ‘on top’ of any corruption long before the Pub takes office.

Liam on April 17, 2013 at 3:16 AM

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 3:11 AM

I was a public defender and once hired I could only be fired for cause. I was hired by a Republican judge who had been appointed to complete the term opf a Democrat who went to federal prison for perjury, lying about fixing drunk driving cases. But it is a Democrat county and he lost the next election. I fought a running battle for years with Democrats who wanted to give my job to someone who would kick back into the judge’s campaign fund, and anybody else’s campaign the judge wanted to help. People followed me around, literally, trying to catch me screwing up.They tried to fire me, repeatedly. I hired the dean of the Valpo law school to deal with the repeated threats and attempted disciplinary actions. At one point, I sued every judge in the county with criminal jurisdiction, alleging they ran a corrupt system in which no pauper defendant could possibly get a fair trial.

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:21 AM

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:11 AM

I don’t think they will say anything. Just fix it and move on. But I think history might finally tell the truth. Maybe.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 3:21 AM

At one point, I sued every judge in the county with criminal jurisdiction, alleging they ran a corrupt system in which no pauper defendant could possibly get a fair trial.

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:21 AM

How did you do? Making that charge, out loud, at Democrats is pretty funny. Don’t forget Alcee Hastings! I wish I knew a better way to wake people up but they just don’t seem to care.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 3:25 AM

I’m going to hit the hay. I need to get up and get something done tomorrow. I love HotAir.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 3:30 AM

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 3:25 AM

Actually we were forced to dismiss that one in the end. But it had a profound effect. All the other judges jumped on the judge of my court for effing with the crazy guy and rocking the boat. Believe it or not, at that point in time, we were employees of the judge. And they could see the handwriting on the wall. The last time I got fired the new judge fired 12 other people too, and I agreed to settle because we all had to agree or some of those fired were going to get screwed. Truthfully, I was sick of it by then.

But after I was no longer an employee, it was open warfare. I proposed to the county commissioners a deal to privatize the PD system and save the cash-strapped county a bundle, while avoiding the cost of the inevitable next lawsuit over their corrupt system. Nobody wanted me to run it, and they wound up taking it away from the judges and making the PDs a quasi-independent office so they would retain some political control. Not perfect, but a vast improvement.

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:36 AM

G’night Cindy, and anyone else still hangin’!

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:36 AM

The horror of a serial mass murderer aside, the greater threat to the Republic in this is not that the media decided not to cover the case for political reasons, but that political reasons are considered a valid consideration in covering the news at all.

This is a direct result of the propaganda effort begun with the Clinton machine’s response to scandals, when the left discovered they could just outright lie and spin anything, and had a 50-50 chance the public would buy it, and a 100% chance sympathetic journalists would treat their blatant lying seriously.

The next major step came with Ezra Klein’s secret propaganda cabal known as “Journ-O-List” which allowed “journalists” to conspire behind the scenes via email to “manage” the news, to make sure that mere facts didn’t emerge unexplained and likely to “confuse” the public by ensuring every story was reported in a manner consistent with leftist talking points and even outright deceptions.

Although exposed and allegedly dissolved, the continuing use of identical language by multiple “independent” outlets within minutes of a story breaking proves the collusion is ongoing, only with better security now, so only the most ideologically pure New Totalitarians get the password to join the modern Goebbels.

Adjoran on April 17, 2013 at 3:41 AM

So… kill a baby here, okay. Kill the same exact baby there, murder. We have left reason behind in our self-destructing culture.

Mojave Mark on April 17, 2013 at 5:23 AM

good morning HA

*shaking the head* reading the quotes above….and the lsm and far left want to sweept this under the rug like there is nothing wrong…

shameful

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 6:32 AM

morning joe is showing a little bit of thatcher’s funeral, no mention of dear leader skipping out…

nothing on politico about him skipping out as well…

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 6:42 AM

beautiful funeral but lets bash thatcher’s policies one more time
-martin bashir

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 6:44 AM

banner on tv-obama sends FORMER officials to the funeral

classy
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cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 6:45 AM

O/T: “The New Boston Massacre: a 9/11 Feeling” My take.

kingsjester on April 17, 2013 at 6:45 AM

We are not to blame for the people we elect choosing membership in that private club known as ‘congress’ over the promises they made and responsibilities to their constituents and the oath of office they swore to uphold. That’s entirely their own failure.

We have a right to expect that these people keep their word and act in an ethical manner. They are public servants and administrators and they actually represent us by proxy in congress. They are not elected to decide what is best for us, they are not elected to lead us, they are not to reign over us, they are elected to serve us and literally stand in our stead in congress.

We should not have to mass together on the mall in Washington to get them to do their duty as mandated under the constitution, which is the law of the land.

What I believe we should do is start removing them from office and see to it that term limits are implemented to prevent that membership in the private club that is our political class.

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2013 at 2:53 AM

Nice.

Axe on April 17, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Axe on April 17, 2013 at 6:48 AM

I agree. Well said.

kingsjester on April 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM

kingsjester on April 17, 2013 at 6:45 AM

great take KJ

disorganized is a nice word for them….

_____________________
those who vote no on this background check are going to lose their nect election…they want criminals not to have a background check…like a criminal is actually going to go through one…

idiot MJ crew

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 6:54 AM

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 6:54 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

On topic: There is a reason criminals are also called “outlaws”.

kingsjester on April 17, 2013 at 6:56 AM

kingsjester on April 17, 2013 at 6:56 AM

indeed

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 7:03 AM

What is telling to me is there are literally none, save for lynncgb (who has spoken against Gosnell extensively), of the pro-abortion folks who can even bring themselves to denounce how far this man has gone. I get the impression this does not bother the hardcore abortion supporters.

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:08 AM

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:08 AM

I don’t believe that it does, either. Chilling.

kingsjester on April 17, 2013 at 7:14 AM

so it’s the gop fault about the lack of votes for the gun control bill? why aren’t they talking about the dems who are NOT voting for it….geez

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 7:14 AM

And while you were sleeping, this piece of excrement was released, the 844 bill set to finally destroy America.

http://www.schumer.senate.gov/forms/immigration.pdf

Official Name: Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act

Real Name: It will get me banned.

TxAnn56 on April 17, 2013 at 7:15 AM

So this technique that he does is nowhere in the lexicon of practice in abortion care. So, in terms of thinking about the difference between the way abortion providers who do later abortions in the United States practice, and this particular practice, they are completely worlds apart.

Does it really matter how old an innocent helpless human being is when its life is deliberately snuffed out by a cold hearted adult? The deliberate slaughter of another innocent human, legal or otherwise, degrades all of us.

That so many approve, reflects upon the moral deterioration of our culture, while the hollow excuses fail to stand to the light of day?

The very use of such a callously evil term as “abortion care” merely gives evidence of our fallen state of mankind.

Don L on April 17, 2013 at 7:15 AM

kingsjester on April 17, 2013 at 7:14 AM

3rd that

cmsinaz on April 17, 2013 at 7:15 AM

So… kill a baby here, okay. Kill the same exact baby there, murder. We have left reason behind in our self-destructing culture.

Mojave Mark on April 17, 2013 at 5:23 AM

. I get the impression this does not bother the hardcore abortion supporters.

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:08 AM

Ahhh where we have gotten.

Such sadness.

CW on April 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM

“Man must give account of himself on the day of judgement”. (Matthew 12:36

Every time I see/hear a Lib supporting baby killing, I ask them how they are going to square their decision on J-day…the conversation usually ends immediately.

hillsoftx on April 17, 2013 at 7:53 AM

We need more gay threads, so that trolls like nonpartisan and libfree have nothing to complain about while they still find something to b*tch about.

Liam on April 17, 2013 at 8:04 AM

The libs are all Gosnells now because their party will fight to the death to keep this legal just so long as the decapitation takes place in the womb and not outside the womb where the light of day shows it for what it really is. Murder.
Now the entire world sees their defense of abortion for what it really is: the taking of the life of an infant human. This is why they can’t report the story and it’s disgusting.

americanmama on April 17, 2013 at 8:18 AM

The problem with Kermit Gosnell, the Philadelphia abortionist on trial for killing a mother and at least seven infants born alive after botched abortions, is that the government has too many anti-abortion regulations and not enough public funds for providing abortions to poor women. That’s according to the participants on a conference call hosted by RH Reality Check, a news and commentary website focused on “reproductive & sexual health and justice.”

The speakers on the call agreed that excessively stringent government regulations on abortion practices keep the practice “far away from professional medicine.” This results in, they argue, the kind of hellish, underground abortion clinics like Gosnell’s.

WTF! Too many regulations? ABORTION CLINICS AREN’T REGULATED OR INSPECTED AT ALL!!! And billions of taxpayer dollars pour into the abortion industry every year. No, the

hellish, underground abortion clinics like Gosnell’s

exist because of the MONEY and because of the pro abortion crowd that has absolutely zero regard for human life. The real horror is that Gosnell represents many in the abortion industry. BTW, Gosnell was not operating “underground” and I can guarantee you, many in the pro abortion crowd knew of his depravity and did not care.

fight like a girl on April 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM

novaculus on April 17, 2013 at 3:36 AM

So you got one of those valued “bi-partisan” deals? Isn’t it funny how greatly improved still has the taxpayer coming out on the short end of the stick. Good job on sticking with it, I’m too laid back for that kind of constant drama, I would probably walk away. I would like to think I wouldn’t because I think that shows bravery and everyone would like to be brave.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 10:05 AM

hawkdriver on April 17, 2013 at 7:08 AM

What gets me is that these people think the procedures are necessary for women’s “health” while they wallow in filth and disease. For the cause? This is better than giving the child up for adoption?

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2013 at 10:10 AM

In a HuffPost Live segment today on the issue, host Marc Lamont Hill made clear where his theoretical thinking lay:

“For what it’s worth, I do think that those of us on the left have made a decision not to cover this trial because we worry that it’ll compromise abortion rights. Whether you agree with abortion or not, I do think there’s a direct connection between the media’s failure to cover this and our own political commitments on the left. I think it’s a bad idea, I think it’s dangerous, but I think that’s the way it is.”

It’s interesting, from the Marc Lamont Hill segment, that the Left is realizing and admitting that they have been suppressing this story because it could damage the pro-abortion cause, and kudos to Marc Lamont Hill for actually broadcasting such a segment on the left-leaning Huff Post.

The Huff-post segment also featured an interview with Margo Davidson, a black PA state legislator whose younger cousin died due to a torn uterus from a botched abortion at Gosnell’s clinic, where she described her cousin “writhing in pain on the floor, bleeding profusely” while Gosnell’s clinic refused to treat her. She was later taken to a hospital emergency room, who could not save her.

This type of testimony could be even more d@mning to the pro-abortion cause, due to the overwhelming support for Democrats among black voters, and predominantly Democrat support for pro-”choice” or pro-abortion positions. But when a black state legislator loses her cousin to a botched late-term abortion, she might start to re-think her party’s support for the legality of such procedures…

Steve Z on April 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Indeed. A strong statement praising Thatcher and expressing their regret at being unable to attend would have been helpful.

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2013 at 2:35 AM

If he’s recovering from back surgery there is NO excuse for Laura not going. It’s not like he’s a baby or they don’t have the means to hire a caretaker. They are all disgusting, all the living presidents.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM

To be certain – credit goes to tom daschle concerned – nailed the blue one for sesqui, perfect timing and other indicators.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

11. It is very important to exercise the middle knee often or it will atrophy and become useless.

arnold ziffel on April 17, 2013 at 2:46 AM

That’s probably true for the entire body, but maybe more so for the middle knee

…the middle knee?…not the right knee or the left knew?…but the weenie?

KOOLAID2 on April 17, 2013 at 8:54 PM

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