Experts skeptical that Boston bomber comes from a domestic terrorist group; Update: Bomber’s bag identified in photo?

posted at 6:41 pm on April 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

The “evidence” is thin, but this is so far off the media’s beaten path after attacks that it’s worth reading just for the novelty. When even the SPLC is pooh-poohing the idea of militia activity, you know you’re in uncharted territory.

While some of the factors surrounding the Boston bombings could point to these groups—a simplistic homemade bomb, causing mass casualties, falling on Tax Day—other factors don’t add up. For many of these groups, the date that most matters to them is not Tax Day or Patriots’ Day or even Hitler’s birthday, but the anniversary of the Waco siege… On April 19, 1993, 76 people died when a radical, antigovernment sect’s compound in Texas burnt to the ground after days of firefights with federal officials. When Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1996, killing 168 people, it fell on the anniversary of the Waco raid, which he cited as a motivation for the attack…

“When you think about it, the target is not clear,” said Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center. “What the target was not was the government, or the IRS, or a minority group—black people, gay people, Muslims, immigrants, Latinos, and so on. It wasn’t targeted at any sort of specific subgroup.”

Mark Pitcavage, the director of investigative research for the Anti-Defamation League, agreed, saying this target didn’t feel like the work of extreme right-wing terrorists since it had no clear connection to the government.

“The bottom line is that no domestic extremist movement just based on their ideology alone would have a huge reason to attack the Boston Marathon,” Pitcavage said. “The prominence of the event could cause anybody from a variety of movements to carry out an attack like that.”

But wait. Didn’t Eric Rudolph bomb random civilians at a concert during the Olympics, an event kinda sorta like the Boston Marathon? Sure, says National Journal — but he wasn’t part of a group. Their real argument here, in other words, isn’t that a domestic terrorist didn’t do it, it’s that if one did, he probably wasn’t being sponsored or supported somehow by an organization. (BuzzFeed actually dialed up a few militias this morning and got denunciations of the Boston attack across the board.) Note that well, because if the bomber turns out to be domestic, the idea that he doesn’t represent any larger movement will instantly go straight into the toilet.

Speaking of terrorists and larger movements, a post-attack candygram from our “allies” in Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood:

In Arabic, senior Brotherhood leader and the vice chairman of the group’s political party Essam el-Erian took a different tack. In a post on his Facebook page, he condemned the Boston attack — but also linked it to the French war in Mali, the destruction in Syria and Iraq, and faltering rapprochement between the Turkish government and Kurdish rebels.

El-Erian is making the case that all of these setbacks — from Boston to Baghdad — are somehow connected. “Who disturbed democratic transformations, despite the difficult transition from despotism, corruption, poverty, hatred, and intolerance to freedom, justice tolerance, development, human dignity, and social justice?” he asked. “Who planted Islamophobia through research, the press, and the media? Who funded the violence?”

El-Erian just poses those questions — he doesn’t accuse any specific group of masterminding the Boston Marathon attack or the unrest across the Middle East.

Interesting that he seems eager to connect the bombing to events in the Middle East rather than scold people for jumping to conclusions about possible connections. Makes sense, though: Jihadis benefit the Brotherhood in two ways, first by providing violent intimidation for the Islamist movement and second by serving as a “bad cop” against whom formally nonviolent “good cop” Islamists like the MB can distinguish themselves. The Brotherhood gets to denounce the attack and use it as a pretext to blather about its grievances, even though there’s no hard evidence pointing to a jihadi pedigree for yesterday’s bombing. Oh, and don’t be shocked when you read the Foreign Policy piece linked above and find that the MB’s English-language statement about the bombings was quite different from this one. They’ve been talking out of both sides of their mouth that way for years, saying one thing in English for the benefit of the suckers in the west and another for the benefit of the locals. Always pay attention to the Arabic version.

Anyway, an interesting question kicking around online today in light of the news about the pressure-cooker IEDs: How much would two six-liter containers packed with nails, BBs, and explosives weigh? The cookers themselves are light (5-7 lbs., per Amazon); my best guess is that each device in total would weigh around 25 lbs. so that’s 50 total, which gives FBI agents who are watching the surveillance video something to look for. News reports today say the bombs were packed in “duffel bags,” but it’s hard to imagine the bomber carrying 50 lbs. of bombs in a single bag by hand without his movements being obviously labored. He could use two bags, one for each bomb, and carry each in a different hand, but that may have required him to pause sporadically if he was walking more than a few blocks. And in any case, having a bag in each hand would make him easy to spot on the tape. It would have been easier for him if in fact he was carrying them in backpacks rather than duffel bags, but a man with two backpacks is also easy to spot. Or, I suppose, he could have jammed both bombs into one very heavy backpack, but in that case how is he planting the first device in the trash can without anyone noticing? He’d have to stop, unzip, lift it out and put it in, which would take several seconds. If he has each device in a separate bag, he can just slide it off his shoulder and drop it in as he’s walking past, in a split second, and hope no one notices. Long story short, there has to be something suspicious to his movements on the tape.

Update: Is this the bag?

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Unfortunately it seems the FBI and BPD have about as much clue as we do as to who might have and how.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM

That scares me more at this point. The DC Snipers operated for weeks without any clear motive or pattern. What if this was just an opening salvo/ test run in a series of “events?”

Put another way, how do you plant IEDs without any of the thousands around you noticing?

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Has there been any confirmation the bombs were in trashcans, or is that one of those rumors that has been accepted as fact?

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Near, in; close enough for presstitute work.

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 8:36 PM

I also think this is a digruntled vet. I hate to say it. But someone with knowledge of how its done in Afganastan, and who could be pissed at our government right now for all the military cuts.

just saying.

johnnyU on April 16, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Do they target… a race of non-government folks?

Not impossible, just… improbable.

Midas on April 16, 2013 at 8:37 PM

So here’s the thing.

The authorities don’t have a clue about who bombed the Boston Marathon.

When do the recriminations start? When DHS fails to figure out who was able to deliver unnoticed 50 pounds of bombs to the finish line at the Boston Marathon?

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM

They want it to be domestic and they want it to be a “right-winger”.

So any evidence that points at jihadists will be Benghazied as long as possible, in part by keeping the right-wing domestic terrorist meme alive. I’m sure the MSM will do their part in the effort.

The downside of that is the longer they have no suspects the more incompetent they look.

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Based on all the pictures they have, they couldn’t look more incompetent.

ORconservative on April 16, 2013 at 8:44 PM

The despicable lunatic leftists are now openly pining that the bomber is a white American.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/

TKindred on April 16, 2013 at 8:45 PM

They want it to be domestic and they want it to be a “right-winger”.

So any evidence that points at jihadists will be Benghazied as long as possible, in part by keeping the right-wing domestic terrorist meme alive. I’m sure the MSM will do their part in the effort.

The downside of that is the longer they have no suspects the more incompetent they look.

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM

In short, you think they’re making the same mistakes they did in the DC Snipers case. Paging Chief Moose….

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM

the unibomber WAS NOT and is not a lefty. his repulsive ‘manifesto’ ,published as black mail to try and make him stop the bombings( before his brother turned him in), is highly critical of the left. he presents himself as a luddite warning of the dangers of technology hence his targets. the truth about ted is he’s pathologically insane- a paranod schizophrenic . any politics he seems to espouse are meaningless- his bombs were the product of his sociopathy and paranoid ideation.

that said- the greenie style anarchists are ever so fond of the unabomber because of his anti-technology stance. that does not make him one of them- his quasi-political ravings are more social ravings and all insanity. forensic psychologists who have studied his crime and him feel he doesn’t really believe in his own manifesto- it’s merely an excuse to justify his sociopathic cravings to harm others.

that said most of the serial bombing incidents outside of whatever happened in oklahoma are the work in america going back to the late 1800s of left wing anarchists and marxists.

you can usually tell the difference between a left wing and right wing bomber by their punishment if caught. the fact is that the right wing bombers, if caught, are sentenced to life without parole or death . the left wing bombers( such as the weather underground,FALN,brett kimberlin) get paroled, never get charged at all, and given professorships- or they launch presidential careers from their living rooms. muslim suicide and jihadist bombers/serial killers( bombers are, technically, serial killers) fall under the ‘left wing’ category because leftists champion them as they hate israel and america- both of which the left loathes.

mittens on April 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I don’t know if that is the bag but if you look closely at the picture the guy standing behind it, it looks like the guy whose leg was blown off.

Barred on April 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM

That circled bag is clearly NOT the bomb. The fence behind it was curled forward around the mailbox, so the bomb definitely was behind the fence, not in front of the fence. I think it’s just a lady’s handbag that she set down there because she wanted a break from carrying it.

AngusMc on April 16, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Even more BS since I just looked at the original story. There supposedly was a full HOUR between the first picture and the second picture. It’s not the bomb.

AngusMc on April 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM

US President Barack Obama will visit Boston on Thursday to address a religious service for victims of the bomb attack on the city’s marathon.

(BBC)

It’ll be a network ghoulathon.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM

As if BPD doesn’t have enough on their hands now they have to divert resources for Barry to score political baskets.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:05 PM

The downside of that is the longer they have no suspects the more incompetent they look.

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM

This was the finish line of the Boston Marathon. There are countless video images of the area from cell phones, cameras, and other electronic media. There were cameras taking pictures as people finished the race. There were news crews covering the event. There were security cameras in all those retail spaces beyond the barricades.

This has got to be the most photographed crime scene since Benghazi where there was actually a drone recording our ambassador being sodomized and killed. If the DHS can’t come up with something from all this imagery, they ARE incompetent.

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 9:10 PM

US President Barack Obama will visit Boston on Thursday to address a religious service for victims of the bomb attack on the city’s marathon.

(BBC)

It’ll be a network ghoulathon.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM

As if BPD doesn’t have enough on their hands now they have to divert resources for Barry to score political baskets.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:05 PM

President Bush stood on the rubble, surrounded by firemen and police, and with a bullhorn, assured us that we would stand strong despite the attack.
I just don’t believe Obama has that much love for this country to even stand in Bush’s large shadow.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:12 PM

The loathsome Obama said, “We will find out why they did this”. This implies there could be a legitimate reason behind it. Obama is very close to clinically insane.
VorDaj on April 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

You’re missing the obvious. He wants to know why they did it so he knows what to apologize for. Don’t forget–it is a first principle for him that America is the source of the world’s problems.

smellthecoffee on April 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM

President Bush stood on the rubble, surrounded by firemen and police, and with a bullhorn, assured us that we would stand strong despite the attack.
I just don’t believe Obama has that much love for this country to even stand in Bush’s large shadow.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Not only is this incident, no matter how horrific, compare to the atrocity of 9/11/01 but President GWB was a leader. He was a President I could believe in. He cared about this nation. The rat-eared coward is no GWB!

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 9:18 PM

President Bush stood on the rubble, surrounded by firemen and police, and with a bullhorn, assured us that we would stand strong despite the attack.
I just don’t believe Obama has that much love for this country to even stand in Bush’s large shadow.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Not only is this incident, no matter how horrific, compare to the atrocity of 9/11/01 but President GWB was a leader. He was a President I could believe in. He cared about this nation. The rat-eared coward is no GWB!

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 9:18 PM

He’s more of a Carter.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Agreed, on 9/14, after the boys and girls in blue and grey and brown and camo had ID’d the perps.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

All indications thus far are that the bomber comes from a FOREIGN TERRORIST GROUP – islam.

Pork-Chop on April 16, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Yesterday was the 148th anniversary of the death of Abraham Lincoln.
I’m surprised that somebody hasn’t blamed the Republicans for attacking a ”blue state” in their “rush to judgement”.

J_Crater on April 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM

He’s more of a Carter.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

We should be so lucky! Carter for all his idiocy had the best interests of this nation at heart. The rat-eared coward hates this nation and is doing his best to destroy our way of life.

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Agreed, on 9/14, after the boys and girls in blue and grey and brown and camo had ID’d the perps.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

OT but do you remember the other thing about 9/14/01?

Bill Clinton lurking around ground zero trying to suggest that he was responsible for the ability to respond (without mentioning he’s the one that set up the conditions that caused the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans).

We were told that it was a shame that Clinton couldn’t have been President when the atrocities occurred so that he could get credit or something.

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 9:29 PM

He’s more of a Carter.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

We should be so lucky! Carter for all his idiocy had the best interests of this nation at heart. The rat-eared coward hates this nation and is doing his best to destroy our way of life.

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I was thinking the now Carter, the senile Carter who pops up every so often to remind us why people were smart enough to only give a sh!tty president only one term.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Not the bag, unless someone picked it up and moved it. The detonation was behind the barricade, and most of the crowd in the area. The video’s all over the ‘net.

PXCharon on April 16, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Anyway, an interesting question kicking around online today in light of the news about the pressure-cooker IEDs: How much would two six-liter containers packed with nails, BBs, and explosives weigh? The cookers themselves are light (5-7 lbs., per Amazon); my best guess is that each device in total would weigh around 25 lbs. so that’s 50 total, which gives FBI agents who are watching the surveillance video something to look for. News reports today say the bombs were packed in “duffel bags,” but it’s hard to imagine the bomber carrying 50 lbs. of bombs in a single bag by hand without his movements being obviously labored. He could use two bags, one for each bomb, and carry each in a different hand, but that may have required him to pause sporadically if he was walking more than a few blocks. And in any case, having a bag in each hand would make him easy to spot on the tape. It would have been easier for him if in fact he was carrying them in backpacks rather than duffel bags, but a man with two backpacks is also easy to spot. Or, I suppose, he could have jammed both bombs into one very heavy backpack, but in that case how is he planting the first device in the trash can without anyone noticing? He’d have to stop, unzip, lift it out and put it in, which would take several seconds. If he has each device in a separate bag, he can just slide it off his shoulder and drop it in as he’s walking past, in a split second, and hope no one notices. Long story short, there has to be something suspicious to his movements on the tape.

Or he could have been just dressed up as a garbage man changing bags in the trash can.

OliverB on April 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

President Bush stood on the rubble, surrounded by firemen and police, and with a bullhorn, assured us that we would stand strong despite the attack.
I just don’t believe Obama has that much love for this country to even stand in Bush’s large shadow.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I have no doubt Obama can stand on a pile dead bodies and talk about himself. This miserable excuse of a president isn’t qualified to carry Bush’s jockstrap.

Aviator on April 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

These photos seem to show a young man carrying a heavy burden on his back. But later photos show him unencumbered.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

As if BPD doesn’t have enough on their hands now they have to divert resources for Barry to score political baskets.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Brick…brick…brick…brick…

disa on April 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM

I was thinking the now Carter, the senile Carter who pops up every so often to remind us why people were smart enough to only give a sh!tty president only one term.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Too bad people seem to have become less smart.

Aviator on April 16, 2013 at 9:44 PM

President Bush stood on the rubble, surrounded by firemen and police, and with a bullhorn, assured us that we would stand strong despite the attack.
I just don’t believe Obama has that much love for this country to even stand in Bush’s large shadow.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I have no doubt Obama can stand on a pile dead bodies and talk about himself. This miserable excuse of a president isn’t qualified to carry Bush’s jockstrap.

Aviator on April 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Tucson.
Newtown.
Yeah. I can see that too. Very well said.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:45 PM

It was an inside job. How did assailant get past security with two significant duffel bags? He was a first responder.

paulsur on April 16, 2013 at 9:45 PM

It was an inside job. How did assailant get past security with two significant duffel bags? He was a first responder.

paulsur on April 16, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Or dressed as one.

RovesChins on April 16, 2013 at 9:47 PM

As were the Spain train bombs, and also in pressure cookers.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 8:06 PM

I must have missed that episode. Who knew Jed Clampett went to Madrid???

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Buy Danish on April 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Interesting. Thanks. That last enlargement I can’t tell but does it look like maybe it is being held in the crook of his arm by the strap?

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:53 PM

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM

9/11/05….and Ellie Mae refused to comment.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:54 PM

I can understand the mailbox not appearing significantly damaged or moved, but I would expect a small tree right next to the bomb to show significant damage.

Fairly narrow, its probably got a couple of bb’s in it, but if you’re expecting to see tree bark removed or it being de-nuded, the bomb wasnt powerful enough to do that. If it was, you’d see people blown all over the place instead of the injured pretty much dropping in their tracks.

And wouldn’t the actual bomb location be cordoned off in some way?

They’ve roped off a 16 block area around the scene. Essentially the entire area is a crime scene. They want cast a wide net in the search for forensic evidence from the bombs…who knows how far some parts may have flown. You’ll notice everyone in the pictures is wearing the white paper suits?

I think the photos are inconclusive as to whether or not that was the bomb. If I had to commit I’d say no.

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:33 PM

On this point I agree. All that can be concluded from the photo evidence I’ve seen is that somewhere in that photo an IED was initiated. Beyond that, its all a SWAG.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 9:55 PM

These photos seem to show a young man carrying a heavy burden on his back. But later photos show him unencumbered.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Looks fairly young…maybe he was the family mule for water and sandwiches?

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM

sorry my bad 3/11/04. Chinese keyboard messed up again.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM

It was an inside job. How did assailant get past security with two significant duffel bags? He was a first responder.

paulsur on April 16, 2013 at 9:45 PM

You are assuming that the same person planted both bombs rather than two people each planting a single bomb. Also, tons of people at the race had large bags and backpacks. A lot of people knew they would be standing/sitting along the race route for several hours and brought food and drink.

AngusMc on April 16, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Agreed, on 9/14, after the boys and girls in blue and grey and brown and camo had ID’d the perps.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

It’s a GOOD idea to wait until after you ID the perps. Don’t you think?

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Unless you really just don’t like Boise.

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 10:02 PM

US President Barack Obama will visit Boston on Thursday to address a religious service for victims of the bomb attack on the city’s marathon

Am I missing something here?

Unless law enforcement is pretty certain they have the suspect in custody, isn’t it possible that the perpetrator(s) are still in the area?

The President announcing two days in advance that he is visiting Boston gives the terrorists an opportunity to double down.

Of course, the President will be absolutely protected, but another attack anywhere in the city would have huge propaganda value.

Making this trip at this time and announcing it in advance seems crazy.

MichaelGabriel on April 16, 2013 at 10:04 PM

All indications thus far are that the bomber comes from a FOREIGN TERRORIST GROUP – islam.

Pork-Chop on April 16, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Hey, don’t be so hasty. Those Zoroastrians are some mean a$$ mf’s!

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 10:04 PM

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Which was my point (if you read the previous comment)

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 10:04 PM

America’s New Bomb Threat

Resist We Much on April 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I blew those photos up (btw, does anyone have un-blurred version?)

Some corrections from earlier comments:

1. It appears the bomb was in the crowd, behind the fence. It looks like the mulch from the Charlie Brown tree got blown into the street.

2. Shadows. The 2 photos were taken fairly close together. If you zoom way in, look at the mailbox shadow in both. I’d say the photos were about 10-20 mins apart.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM

We should be so lucky! Carter for all his idiocy had the best interests of this nation at heart. The rat-eared coward hates this nation and is doing his best to destroy our way of life.

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Honestly….did he really??

Wasn’t he a sub captain?

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM

These photos seem to show a young man carrying a heavy burden on his back. But later photos show him unencumbered.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

wrong guy. he has all his teeth

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 10:09 PM

America’s New Bomb Threat

Resist We Much on April 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Holy crap.

Look at the first photo in RWMs link. Zoom way in, like 500%. Look directly behind the tree. Why is there a person standing there….holding a box?

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Wasn’t he a sub captain?

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM

No. Never. He served as a Ltjg on diesels, got selected for nuke school, but left the Navy before starting.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 10:13 PM

BBC has FBI shots of bomb and fragments

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 8:29 PM

I’m familiar with Benghazi and even tho those that knew the truth, didn’t admit to it, we know the truth.

Actually I was speaking of the garbage cans and pressure cookers.
Now, I’m watching Greta and they have pics of the pressure cooker, along with a serial #. That’s lucky:-) And also a black back pack supposedly. They even have the price to make one of these bombs, $l00.00. Boy, they really have been working hard. Now all they have to do is find that bomber! Greta said you can get all of these ingredients on the internet and a hardware store!!! Making a lot of progress. Waiting for a description of the bomber. LOL
Let’s get this wrapped up so we can get on to important things like gun control and Amnesty. That’s the message I’m hearing.

God Bless the Families that have lost loved ones, their friends, the Americans that came to their aid, responders and Firemen and Police.

bluefox on April 16, 2013 at 10:20 PM

These photos seem to show a young man carrying a heavy burden on his back. But later photos show him unencumbered.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

I’m not so certain that kid dropped his backpack.

First off, it’s too thin in the first image to hold a pressure cooker. Secondly, the knapsack shoulder straps are partially obscured by his hood. You can only see them in the sideways view. He might well be holding onto them just to rest his arms, and not to be taking weight off.

In the shots of him walking away, you just cannot tell whether or not he’s dropped his pack. His hood could easily be obscuring the straps, and the pack is simply too thin to be seen over his shoulder, or at the angle of the image.

While certainly to be considered a person of interest, I wouldn’t bet that he’s one of the Droids we’re looking for. :)

TKindred on April 16, 2013 at 10:24 PM

When Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1996, killing 168 people…

Again: the OKC bombing happened on 4/19/95, not 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_Bombing

I pointed it out two hours ago and yeah, it’s just a trivial little fact, but it’s still a fact.

King B on April 16, 2013 at 10:28 PM

bluefox on April 16, 2013 at 8:22 PM
I think that is a trashcan, not a mailbox. Up the street roughly where the first bomb was (676 Boylston St. in Google Maps Street View, looking north), there’s the blue USPS mailbox right next to another one of these boxes).

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 8:32 PM

It gets confusing to know whether one is speaking of Bomb#1 or Bomb#2. I’m looking at Bomb#1 & that area where the Flags were and the Mailbox. Evidently the video on this thread and the one on Gateway Pundit is referring to the Bomb#2 area. Hope I have that straight now, thanks:-)

bluefox on April 16, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Associated Press quoted a source close to the investigation as saying that the bombs consisted of explosives placed in 1.6-gallon pressure cookers, one with shards of metal and ball bearings, the other with nails.

The bombs were put into black bags and left on the ground, the source said.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Holy crap.

Look at the first photo in RWMs link. Zoom way in, like 500%. Look directly behind the tree. Why is there a person standing there….holding a box?

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM

I don’t see a box. If you are talking about the white square behind the tree, that’s the back of a chair. The restaurant there had a patio seating section with white chairs, which you can see in the second photo.

In any case, the photos were taken an hour apart, so neither the bomber or bomb was likely there in the first photo. These things weren’t apparently set to a timing device, but rather were turn on, drop, and wait a few minutes for the blast.

AngusMc on April 16, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Wasn’t he a sub captain?

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM

He did his best to submarine the country.

Aviator on April 16, 2013 at 10:42 PM

I apologize profusely.

I am slowly catching up on the comments.
I am sorry

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM

These photos seem to show a young man carrying a heavy burden on his back. But later photos show him unencumbered.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

I’m not so certain that kid dropped his backpack.

First off, it’s too thin in the first image to hold a pressure cooker. Secondly, the knapsack shoulder straps are partially obscured by his hood. You can only see them in the sideways view. He might well be holding onto them just to rest his arms, and not to be taking weight off.

In the shots of him walking away, you just cannot tell whether or not he’s dropped his pack. His hood could easily be obscuring the straps, and the pack is simply too thin to be seen over his shoulder, or at the angle of the image.

While certainly to be considered a person of interest, I wouldn’t bet that he’s one of the Droids we’re looking for. :)

TKindred on April 16, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I think he still has it in the last picture. I downloaded it and reopened it in a photo-program, and if I up the brightness and exposure you can clearly see something that looks like the harness main buckle right on his breastbone, to his right of his left hand.

His jacket appears to have shifted enough to cover most of the backpack strapping.

slickwillie2001 on April 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Agreed, on 9/14, after the boys and girls in blue and grey and brown and camo had ID’d the perps.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Limerick, that last one was for you. I am sorry.

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM

These photos seem to show a young man carrying a heavy burden on his back. But later photos show him unencumbered.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Hard to tell if he still has it in the after picture.

Surprised to notice several other people sporting backpacks in each of those pictures.

rukiddingme on April 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Surprised to notice several other people sporting backpacks in each of those pictures.

rukiddingme on April 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

why? It’s only the finish line of the Boston Marathon, and we only have a 1.1 trillion per year deficit.

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Surprised to notice several other people sporting backpacks in each of those pictures.

rukiddingme on April 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Tons of watchers and racers bring backpacks to the event. It lasts all day and people bring food and water with them.

AngusMc on April 16, 2013 at 11:25 PM

When do the recriminations start?

If you mean against recriminations against authorities… never. In case nobody noticed, there is a Democrat in the White House, and this crime occurred in the bluest or blue states and cities so the focus will be on the actual perpetrators, not any possible failures of leadership to protect us.

Similarly, articles on the economy (when you can find them among the SSM and gun Control pieces) will almost never mention Obama or his administration or officials. It just isn’t done. The economy is a force of nature that is beyond the control of Democrats – only Republicans can be expected to manage it, or preferably fail trying.

So no matter who ultimately is found guilty of the Boston Marathon crime, islamists or right-wingers or even (impossibly, so it seems to the media) left-wingers, they will own the guilt – as well they should. This is already being played out in the glowing coverage of the first responders (who may well in the main deserve glowing praise), and it is unlikely we will ever hear about anything in that response that was less-than-perfect!

drunyan8315 on April 16, 2013 at 11:27 PM

2. Shadows. The 2 photos were taken fairly close together. If you zoom way in, look at the mailbox shadow in both. I’d say the photos were about 10-20 mins apart.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM

The timing of the first photo (with the bag intact) could be determined if authorities could identify some of the runners in the photo. Then look up their finishing times in the race log, add them to the starting time for the race, and that’s when the photo was taken.

Steve Z on April 16, 2013 at 11:31 PM

When I look at the shadows, the mailbox shadow seems much shorter in the first photo (with the intact bag) than in the second photo (after the bomb exploded). The shadow in the first photo is angled away from the camera, while the shadow in the second photo is parallel to the edge of the sidewalk. Bottom line–the photos were probably taken about an hour apart.

Could the bag have been moved during the time between the first photo and the explosion, and was the bomb somewhere else than in the bag?

Steve Z on April 16, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Hummmmm….wonder why the mail box still looks pristine?…

That must be some magic mail box

Too bad Arlen Specter ain’t around to ‘splain it to us.

roflmfao

donabernathy on April 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Does anyone think this marxist kenyan islamic clown has any real interest in getting to the bottom of this?

If you think this won’t blow over look at benghazi. A US ambassodor sodomized to death and dragged through the streets with thousands of cheering “religion of peace” animals lining the streets. We had a full military stike force within 30 minutes of these vermin. We could have struck and sent a message that the “red line had been crossed”. Instead the rat eared coward is nowhere to be found… likely in some gay bathhouse or hanging out with magilla. Arguably, any of the preceding presidents before this clown would have ordered the strike; that includes even Carter.

This will be the same way. They’ll be a couple of days of coverage and he’ll stand around and do one of his teleprompter speechs and then it will just fade away except for “right wing news” such fox, reuters or BBC. The gannet rags and the networks wil be told what to say and do and they will follow it to the T.

acyl72 on April 17, 2013 at 7:59 AM

acyl72 on April 17, 2013 at 7:59 AM

Unfortunately, everything you say is true.

I’ve never hated a human being as much as I do this (unprintable). I wish him nothing failure tied up with a bag of rocks on the bottom.

avagreen on April 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

typo: “nothing but failure…..”

avagreen on April 17, 2013 at 11:50 AM

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