Experts skeptical that Boston bomber comes from a domestic terrorist group; Update: Bomber’s bag identified in photo?

posted at 6:41 pm on April 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

The “evidence” is thin, but this is so far off the media’s beaten path after attacks that it’s worth reading just for the novelty. When even the SPLC is pooh-poohing the idea of militia activity, you know you’re in uncharted territory.

While some of the factors surrounding the Boston bombings could point to these groups—a simplistic homemade bomb, causing mass casualties, falling on Tax Day—other factors don’t add up. For many of these groups, the date that most matters to them is not Tax Day or Patriots’ Day or even Hitler’s birthday, but the anniversary of the Waco siege… On April 19, 1993, 76 people died when a radical, antigovernment sect’s compound in Texas burnt to the ground after days of firefights with federal officials. When Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1996, killing 168 people, it fell on the anniversary of the Waco raid, which he cited as a motivation for the attack…

“When you think about it, the target is not clear,” said Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center. “What the target was not was the government, or the IRS, or a minority group—black people, gay people, Muslims, immigrants, Latinos, and so on. It wasn’t targeted at any sort of specific subgroup.”

Mark Pitcavage, the director of investigative research for the Anti-Defamation League, agreed, saying this target didn’t feel like the work of extreme right-wing terrorists since it had no clear connection to the government.

“The bottom line is that no domestic extremist movement just based on their ideology alone would have a huge reason to attack the Boston Marathon,” Pitcavage said. “The prominence of the event could cause anybody from a variety of movements to carry out an attack like that.”

But wait. Didn’t Eric Rudolph bomb random civilians at a concert during the Olympics, an event kinda sorta like the Boston Marathon? Sure, says National Journal — but he wasn’t part of a group. Their real argument here, in other words, isn’t that a domestic terrorist didn’t do it, it’s that if one did, he probably wasn’t being sponsored or supported somehow by an organization. (BuzzFeed actually dialed up a few militias this morning and got denunciations of the Boston attack across the board.) Note that well, because if the bomber turns out to be domestic, the idea that he doesn’t represent any larger movement will instantly go straight into the toilet.

Speaking of terrorists and larger movements, a post-attack candygram from our “allies” in Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood:

In Arabic, senior Brotherhood leader and the vice chairman of the group’s political party Essam el-Erian took a different tack. In a post on his Facebook page, he condemned the Boston attack — but also linked it to the French war in Mali, the destruction in Syria and Iraq, and faltering rapprochement between the Turkish government and Kurdish rebels.

El-Erian is making the case that all of these setbacks — from Boston to Baghdad — are somehow connected. “Who disturbed democratic transformations, despite the difficult transition from despotism, corruption, poverty, hatred, and intolerance to freedom, justice tolerance, development, human dignity, and social justice?” he asked. “Who planted Islamophobia through research, the press, and the media? Who funded the violence?”

El-Erian just poses those questions — he doesn’t accuse any specific group of masterminding the Boston Marathon attack or the unrest across the Middle East.

Interesting that he seems eager to connect the bombing to events in the Middle East rather than scold people for jumping to conclusions about possible connections. Makes sense, though: Jihadis benefit the Brotherhood in two ways, first by providing violent intimidation for the Islamist movement and second by serving as a “bad cop” against whom formally nonviolent “good cop” Islamists like the MB can distinguish themselves. The Brotherhood gets to denounce the attack and use it as a pretext to blather about its grievances, even though there’s no hard evidence pointing to a jihadi pedigree for yesterday’s bombing. Oh, and don’t be shocked when you read the Foreign Policy piece linked above and find that the MB’s English-language statement about the bombings was quite different from this one. They’ve been talking out of both sides of their mouth that way for years, saying one thing in English for the benefit of the suckers in the west and another for the benefit of the locals. Always pay attention to the Arabic version.

Anyway, an interesting question kicking around online today in light of the news about the pressure-cooker IEDs: How much would two six-liter containers packed with nails, BBs, and explosives weigh? The cookers themselves are light (5-7 lbs., per Amazon); my best guess is that each device in total would weigh around 25 lbs. so that’s 50 total, which gives FBI agents who are watching the surveillance video something to look for. News reports today say the bombs were packed in “duffel bags,” but it’s hard to imagine the bomber carrying 50 lbs. of bombs in a single bag by hand without his movements being obviously labored. He could use two bags, one for each bomb, and carry each in a different hand, but that may have required him to pause sporadically if he was walking more than a few blocks. And in any case, having a bag in each hand would make him easy to spot on the tape. It would have been easier for him if in fact he was carrying them in backpacks rather than duffel bags, but a man with two backpacks is also easy to spot. Or, I suppose, he could have jammed both bombs into one very heavy backpack, but in that case how is he planting the first device in the trash can without anyone noticing? He’d have to stop, unzip, lift it out and put it in, which would take several seconds. If he has each device in a separate bag, he can just slide it off his shoulder and drop it in as he’s walking past, in a split second, and hope no one notices. Long story short, there has to be something suspicious to his movements on the tape.

Update: Is this the bag?

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BREAKING NEWS:

Letter that has tested positive three times for Ricin was sent to Republican Senator Roger Wicker of Mississippi.

Resist We Much on April 16, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Damn. Yesterday had all the hallmarks of a radical Mennonite group.
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annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

El-Erian didn’t blame the Israelis for not making “peace” with Arabs as a cause? What an omission.

Wethal on April 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Oh goody … obama heading to Boston on Thursday for an awesome CRISIS-exploitation photo-op.

Pork-Chop on April 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Letter that has tested positive three times for Ricin was sent to Republican Senator Roger Wicker of Mississippi.

Resist We Much on April 16, 2013 at 6:44 PM

To quote a festively plump film producer,

2+2=

steebo77 on April 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Note that well, because if the bomber turns out to be domestic, the idea that he doesn’t represent any larger movement will instantly go straight into the toilet.

Wrong. That is only if the liberal media can somehow sell him to the public as ‘right-wing’.

If he comes from the left, he will be portrayed as ‘a lone nut’, no matter what.

slickwillie2001 on April 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

I’m ushering at a large parade next week, and I’m not really worried, but starting to get a little creeped out by this Boston thing and now the ricin. I hope this isn’t going to be a series of attacks.

juliesa on April 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

The left’s attempt to connect the bombing to “Patriot’s Day” is laughable. We all know too well that the left is absolutely disgusted by patriots and patriotism. So if you are going to connect the bombing to it being “patriot’s Day”, it’s only logical to conclude the suspect is liberal.

The Notorious G.O.P on April 16, 2013 at 6:50 PM

I’ve decided that I’m gonna formally speculate that it could be a left-wing group or a left winger. The Unabomber was a leftist, and an environmental wacko. What about the Occupy crowd? They can be very violent, and on Tax Day, they could be upset that the “rich aren’t paying their fair share.”

TarheelBen on April 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Axelrod said that Obama suspected that the Boston Bombings had to do with Tax Day and presumably someone who didn’t want to have to pay his ‘fair share’ must have done it. And we all know how our Dear Leader got to the bottom of the Benghazi Bewilderment with his spot on detection that it was the utube video that disrespected the Prophet.

VorDaj on April 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Who delivered the garbage cans?

ROCnPhilly on April 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

calling a BS on that news video supposedly showing “the bomb”… no way that was the device given the proximity to the mail box and it’s lack of visible damage. Bomb IMO was about 10 feet to the left in that photo and behind the metal rail, not in front of it… but what do I know.. about as much as those newsreaders apparently.

gatorboy on April 16, 2013 at 6:54 PM

The bombing has all the earmarks of being carried out by one or more individuals affiliated with Al Qaeda:

For more please read the following twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r

john.frank on April 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Who delivered the garbage cans?

ROCnPhilly on April 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Bush, of course!

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Are these people stupid. Replay bomb video. Where does shock come from? From street, or closer to the building?

These people bring us the news. Trusted Journalists. Can they even tie their own shoes?

oldroy on April 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Letter that has tested positive three times for Ricin was sent to Republican Senator Roger Wicker of Mississippi.

Resist We Much on April 16, 2013 at 6:44 PM

First two times I read that I saw “Lester has tested positive three times…”. Never know about the trolls around here.

Aviator on April 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM

To quote a festively plump film producer,

2+2=

steebo77 on April 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

In all fairness, Senator Wicker DID vote for cloture on the Toomy-Manchin gun bill…so, like, some right-wing gun nut could, might have cooked him up some ricin in the last week.

Resist We Much on April 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM

CNN hardest hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbeR6uYxU50

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Can they even tie their own shoes?

oldroy on April 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Only the left one.

VorDaj on April 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

No damage to the mailbox? Or the tree?

Seems unlikely that was the bomb.

BKeyser on April 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Butch Napolitano:

Dammit! that Saudi didn’t even have Tea Bags in his cupboard. We can’t make that connection yet…. YET.

LegendHasIt on April 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Who delivered the garbage cans?

ROCnPhilly on April 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Bush, of course!

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

:)

GrannyDee on April 16, 2013 at 7:01 PM

calling a BS on that news video supposedly showing “the bomb”… no way that was the device given the proximity to the mail box and it’s lack of visible damage. Bomb IMO was about 10 feet to the left in that photo and behind the metal rail, not in front of it… but what do I know.. about as much as those newsreaders apparently.

gatorboy on April 16, 2013 at 6:54 PM

That is exactly what I thought. Because they blurred the photo, it’s hard to tell exactly, but it looks to me like the mailbox has no damage. You’d think there would be some if there was a bomb of that magnitude right next to it.

I think they are desperate to inject themselves into the story.

Lily on April 16, 2013 at 7:01 PM

In Arabic, senior Brotherhood leader and the vice chairman of the group’s political party Essam el-Erian took a different tack. In a post on his Facebook page, he condemned the Boston attack — but also linked it to the French war in Mali, the destruction in Syria and Iraq, and faltering rapprochement between the Turkish government and Kurdish rebels.

I got an accurate translation of their statement. Just one sentence, actually, but it’s telling.

Paragraph 3, 2nd line:

“Your CHICKENS have come HOME to ROOST!!!!”

Paul-Cincy on April 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

It is my understanding that 76 Branch Dividians did not “die”, they were murdered or at the very least died protecting their own from an over bearing show of force by government. Also, the BD were never known to be an “anti-government” group out to overthrow the US. I think even most mainstream authors and pundits recognized the government overreach in both Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents. Also, name one terror group in the US that targets minority, gays, etc. Leave it to the race baiters to bring this up. Unibomber? nope. He was a lefty who hated technology. Weather Underground? Nothing separates them from what happened in Boston, and many of those folks are now either teaching or a friend of a US President. Leave it up to the SPLC to paint terror in the US as targeting “protected minorities”.

stop2think on April 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

I bet tingles is not happy

cmsinaz on April 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Fact 1: This explosive was meant to attack innocent people. Not buildings, not bureaucracies, institutions, military groups, etc.

Fact 2: No terrorist attacks their own population.

Therefore, the person was not ‘one of us’. The person hated ‘us’, innocent Americans.

Why hasn’t anyone taken blame/claim?
possibility 1. The guy who was supposed to release the notice is sitting in that hospital room with the FBI two feet away from him.
possibility 2. They are waiting for the rest of the crew to erase their tracks and get out of the country.

kurtzz3 on April 16, 2013 at 7:03 PM

calling a BS on that news video supposedly showing “the bomb”… no way that was the device given the proximity to the mail box and it’s lack of visible damage. Bomb IMO was about 10 feet to the left in that photo and behind the metal rail, not in front of it… but what do I know.. about as much as those newsreaders apparently.

gatorboy on April 16, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Not clear initially that the pictures are after-explosion, but they are. Closeups now show a bent and banged up pressure cooker and (second picture) a shredded black duffel/backpack.

slickwillie2001 on April 16, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Obama administration has SLASHED budget for domestic bombing prevention by 45 per cent, says former Homeland Security Assistant Secretary

Resist We Much on April 16, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Hey 2nd term and fast and furious, well that was a bust…..

WryTrvllr on April 16, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Obama staff split with half wanting to find a utube to blame and the other half wanting to blame sequestration.

VorDaj on April 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM

calling a BS on that news video supposedly showing “the bomb”… no way that was the device given the proximity to the mail box and it’s lack of visible damage. Bomb IMO was about 10 feet to the left in that photo and behind the metal rail, not in front of it… but what do I know.. about as much as those newsreaders apparently.

gatorboy on April 16, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Would the extra 10′ (your guess) of distance explain the lack of damage to the mailbox?

Laying in the street, on the right side of the image, is an object with what appears to be a bluish trail leading back to the sidewalk. Take an average line through the trail and follow it back….it points almost directly to the location of the “bag”. Not proof, but certainly a clue. Another way is to draw a circle around the edge of the debris line; the center of that circle is most likely the location of the bomb. Again, looking at the image and the debris in the street, it seems to locate on the “bag”.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM

It is my understanding that 76 Branch Dividians did not “die”, they were murdered or at the very least died protecting their own from an over bearing show of force by government. Also, the BD were never known to be an “anti-government” group out to overthrow the US. I think even most mainstream authors and pundits recognized the government overreach in both Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents. Also, name one terror group in the US that targets minority, gays, etc. Leave it to the race baiters to bring this up. Unibomber? nope. He was a lefty who hated technology. Weather Underground? Nothing separates them from what happened in Boston, and many of those folks are now either teaching or a friend of a US President. Leave it up to the SPLC to paint terror in the US as targeting “protected minorities”.

stop2think on April 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Thank You. The liberals will never stop trying to rewrite the history of what really happened there. Janet Reno murdered those people. By the way, about a third of them were black.

slickwillie2001 on April 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Under President George W. Bush, the Department of Homeland Security had $20 million allocated for preventing the use of improvised explosive devices (IEDs) by terrorists working inside the United States. The current White House has cut that funding down to $11 million.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310110/Obama-administration-SLASHED-budget-domestic-bombing-prevention-45-cent-says-Homeland-Security-Assistant-Secretary.html#ixzz2Qfcd6hzb
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yep.

CW on April 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM

The bag isn’t black. And it was hours between the two pictures, and they’re surprised there’s no sign of the bag?

The Rogue Tomato on April 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

The SPLC can’t even admit it wasn’t a domestic group without throwing out strawman arguments about targeting gays and minorities..

How do these hacks sleep at night?

mark81150 on April 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM

‘Arrests in Pakistan, Afghanistan’ in bombing probe
Al-Qaida forums boast of attack while no group takes official responsibility
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/arrests-in-pakistan-afghanistan-in-boston-marathon-probe/#7M7li2wQV6KGEihv.99

U.S. was warned of terror attacks
Source: Look for trail through Sri Lanka, Bangladesh

Although it is not known yet who is responsible for Monday’s heinous bombings at the Boston Marathon that killed three and injured more than 100 people, a source within Iranian intelligence services told WND the Islamic regime was behind them and to look for trails through Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

The source said the bombs were planted near the end of the race so that the horrific images of the blasts would be captured by all the media there and be replayed over and over throughout the world.

A senior commander of the Islamic regime had warned less than two months ago that terrorism was coming to America.

“If the people of America and Europe do not confront the aggressive policies of their governments, they cannot then remain far from the possible future events (terror attacks),” the regime’s armed forces deputy chief of staff, Brig. Gen. Masoud Jazayeri, said in a Feb. 23 interview with Fars News Agency, a media outlet run by the Revolutionary Guards. “Al-Qaida groups and other services which operate for the interests of America (in Syria) will soon change the region of their operations and thereafter create new problems for America and Europe.”

Jazayeri, objecting to U.S. involvement in the Syrian civil war, warned that explosions similar to those in Syria would take place in other countries.

With information from a source in the supreme leader’s office, WND reported exclusively on Dec. 11, 2012, that a team of Quds Force terrorist leaders had infiltrated the United States to attack from within in 2013. The source said the team is to create instability in America through terrorism should the U.S. fail to accept the regime’s illicit nuclear program or increase sanctions, confront Iran militarily or intervene in the Syrian civil war.

In a WND exclusive report on Feb. 28, the source said that a six-member team, including an explosives specialist, was to join 10 Quds Force commanders who already have a cell of 50 terrorists in the U.S. The source added that Iran is working with al-Qaida factions because al-Qaida attacks would not leave behind a link to Tehran.

The source for today’s information blamed the Islamic regime for the Boston attack and pointed to the collaboration of the regime’s Quds Forces with Hezbollah and elements of al-Qaida with links to individuals in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. He said that under Quds Force guidance, Hezbollah recruited Sunni terrorists allied with al-Qaida factions in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, who then entered the U.S. for terrorist activities.

The information has been shared with U.S. officials.

But until the FBI and other U.S. agencies complete their investigations, all information regarding the bombings must be considered with great caution and any conclusions would be premature.

To read more:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/u-s-was-warned-of-terror-attacks/#ieythdphqj5SCFlT.99

john.frank on April 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

No damage to the mailbox? Or the tree?

Seems unlikely that was the bomb.

BKeyser on April 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Here’s an advanced class in bomb design.

These bombs were constructed so that the fragments blew out, horizontally and low to the ground. Almost all of the pictures and stories about injuries are to the lower extremities (legs, lower abdomen, feet). While the shock wave moves in all directions, the bb’s and whatever else was packed in the bomb did not.

The Germans in WWII had land mine referred to as the Bouncing Betty, which was designed to maim, not to kill. It popped up about 2-3 feet and detonated, sending shrapnel outward about thigh high.

The pressure cooker bomb was on the ground, which explains the foot and leg injuries, and an almost complete lack of head and chest wounds.

That mailbox is most likely older than everyone on this blog, made of steel plate. It probably weighs close to 500-600 lbs. Ball bearings will just ricochet right off that thing.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

When Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1996, killing 168 people, it fell on the anniversary of the Waco raid, which he cited as a motivation for the attack…

AP the Murrah Building was bombed in 1995, not 1996. I know you’re just quoting the story, so a polite heads up.

King B on April 16, 2013 at 7:18 PM

In addition to what Bob said, there’s a couple more points of order:

- The bottom of both the mailbox and the tree were blurred out.
- The security fencing was knocked down away from the curb, not toward it.

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Pork-Chop on April 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Uh-0h….hope there aren’t any delayed and/or damaged timers involved in Boston…….

No tell who would be blamed for THAT!

avagreen on April 16, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Watch the bombing, now look at the bag. No way in heck that was it.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 7:23 PM

“Update: Is this the bag?”

I don’t think so. At least not the first bomb. The smoke from the first bomb came from behind the fence, not in front of it, and moved towards the street.

With the closed circuit vid they show what I think is the right half (looking from the street) of the bomb site, and I don’t see the crosswalk or the mail storage box, so so I’m thinking the crosswalk and building entrance is below the camera and that would put the package next to the mail storage box even further to the left of the camera.

Does that mean the second bomb was to the right of the entrance/crosswalk where the guy is running through or was that the first bomb site? You’d think that closed circuit vid would show where the smoke eminated from and some indication of where the two bombs were in relation to the camera. Why don’t they provide that?

Somebody is withholding information and asking questions that should be answerable with the the full vid.

Dusty on April 16, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Wild guess? Anonymous/OWS.

Yah, silly me. Left wing America hating punks. What a nutty thought.

katy on April 16, 2013 at 7:24 PM

I don’t think that is the bag either. How did a bomb outside the gate bend the gate around the mailbox.
I hope they keep showing pictures, and I hope they figure this out. This administration is rarely truthful and we deserve the truth on this one. Well, all of it…….Benghazi, F&F.
This act of terrorism was too easy, too successful not to share all that we can in order to prevent something similar.

ORconservative on April 16, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Gateway Pundit posted these two pictures as “before” and “after” possibilities.

If this was actually a bomb, they make it easier to see why so many victims lost all or part of their legs.

Gruesome.

timmytee on April 16, 2013 at 7:27 PM

We must ban all marathons.

SouthernGent on April 16, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Also, how many people are making sure their Anthony Weiner moments are scrubbed off their phones before letting the FBI look inside?

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM

I posted this yesterday and it’s still causing me to wonder about the location. Just curious, since so many reports about garbage cans.

6.42am AEST: Authorities have a identified a suspect, who is currently being guarded in a Boston hospital with shrapnel wounds. Law-enforcement sources said at least the first explosion occurred in the lobby of the Fairmont Hotel.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/reports-of-explosion-near-finish-line-of-boston-marathon/story-fnd12peo-1226621194152

bluefox on April 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Notice how quick CNN and the others are to mention Oklahoma City, but not the New York city bomber, the Fort Hood shootings or even 911.. or any of the dozens of bomb plots the FBI broke up before anyone was killed..

They wave McVeigh’s name around as if he were the norm, rather than the exception.

To watch these guys, you’d never know a Jihadist had ever planted a bomb or used an airliner as one… ever been a mass shooter..

Just typical liberal think PC BS?… or are they this stricken with tunnel vision, they act almost depressed it wasn’t an American. At least so far as we know now. It’s like they want that result so badly they can taste it.

I’m relieved it was likely a foreign group,.. I hate thinking one of us could do something this profoundly evil. Not that we don’t have our share,.. but you know what I mean.. We’re supposed to be the good guys.. it’s other nations which target civilians on purpose, not us.

mark81150 on April 16, 2013 at 7:29 PM

5 day waiting period for pressure cookers.

No seriously, I dont think thats the bag. The mailbox should be scortched or something and its not.

I also think this is a digruntled vet. I hate to say it. But someone with knowledge of how its done in Afganastan, and who could be pissed at our government right now for all the military cuts.

just saying.

johnnyU on April 16, 2013 at 7:30 PM

timmytee on April 16, 2013 at 7:27 PM

I only see one pic. I saw that just a while ago on Fox.

Where is the second pic?

avagreen on April 16, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Dusty on April 16, 2013 at 7:24 PM

In the video, both bomb sites are recorded. To tell them apart, the first explosion was near the finish line, and the sidewalk was lined with tall flags, and a stand-off barrier (about 4 feet thick) between the street and where people could stand on the sidewalk.

The second bomb (the first shown in the video with the “bag”), there are no flags, no stand-off barrier (there is a fence barrier), and in the background you’ll see white table cloth bistro tables (no tables at the first bomb scene).

I don’t think that is the bag either. How did a bomb outside the gate bend the gate around the mailbox.

ORconservative on April 16, 2013 at 7:25 PM

I’d like to see the whole picture, without the blurring.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:30 PM

bluefox on April 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Articles seem to go back and forth on that, inside the lobby, on the sidewalk in front of the hotel. You’d think that would be easy to figure out based on where the glass from the hotel ended up.

slickwillie2001 on April 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM

The mailbox should be scortched or something and its not.

johnnyU on April 16, 2013 at 7:30 PM

That depends on what the energetic was, and how much heat was present.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM

If the bomb isn’t in that bag, then it still has to be somewhere within that photo, probably no farther back than just behind the people leaning on the gate. And I’m not seeing any other suspicious objects. If it was in a 6 qt pressure cooker, a decent sized bag would be needed, and that’s the only one I see anywhere in the vicinity.

notropis on April 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM

This reminds me so much of the Palestinian bombings in Israel – not a whole lot of explosive, just a whole lot of shrapnel. Designed to maim, rather than kill. Palestinians want to keep the death count low when they commit terror acts in Israel; that makes the Israeli response seem “disproportionate.” But they still want to maximize the carnage and the terror. Lots of ball bearings, nails, other horrible stuff.

notropis on April 16, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Gateway Pundit links to the Boston news site and the 2 pictures are clearer but the after blast one is still blurred because of the gruesome things in it.
You can see burn marks on the mailbox and that the fence is bent, literally wrapped around the mailbox.

I’m confused though, if these pictures are the second blast, where was the first?

ORconservative on April 16, 2013 at 7:37 PM

This reminds me so much of the Palestinian bombings in Israel – not a whole lot of explosive, just a whole lot of shrapnel. Designed to maim, rather than kill.

Fragmentation grenades are designed exactly opposite. Lots of energetic, fewer pieces of shrapnel. More energy, more lethality.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Fox has been showing pictures of the pressure cooker parts–they have a complete lid and other parts, with serial number easily legible.

juliesa on April 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM

The NBC Nightly News interview with the Mass General surgeon was interesting. He is a former military battlefield surgeon from Iraq and Afghanistan. According to him the wounds were identical to the IED wounds he treated there.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM

What the target was not was the government, or the IRS, or a minority group—black people, gay people, Muslims, immigrants, Latinos, and so on.

There are lots of old fashioned Americans – families with a mom and dad, Catholics, Christians. Just a random thought.

williampeck1958 on April 16, 2013 at 7:41 PM

This reminds me so much of the Palestinian bombings in Israel – not a whole lot of explosive, just a whole lot of shrapnel. Designed to maim, rather than kill. Palestinians want to keep the death count low when they commit terror acts in Israel; that makes the Israeli response seem “disproportionate.” But they still want to maximize the carnage and the terror. Lots of ball bearings, nails, other horrible stuff.

notropis on April 16, 2013 at 7:35 PM

That.. and their habit of firing rockets from Mosque courtyards, Hospital parking lots.. playgrounds.. they then run like craven cowards praying the counter battery fire kills lot’s of the meek and very young..

all so they can wave a bloody child’s corpse in front of the international press’s cameras..

That same international press never mentions that was the intent of Hamas, that they did it deliberately. The left of course, believes it’s always Israel’s fault, and never condemn Hamas for using it’s own children as props in their propaganda war.

mark81150 on April 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM

[BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:30 PM]

Thanks for the pointers and the reminder about the flags. I was looking for the snow fence and didn’t see any at the bag next to the mail box. I’ll look again now with your info in mind.

Dusty on April 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I still say it was a potato farmer.

Bishop on April 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Check the prior comment; spending the day getting out of jury duty dulls the brain.

As the Tomato pointed out, the person who took the pics doesn’t exactly remember the time frame between the two. Say, shouldn’t there be EXIF data to solve that?

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 7:45 PM

In this photo, you can see the role the mailbox played. To the left of the mailbox is…well….a mess. To the right, its clean. That tells me the bomb was where the mess is.

Of real importance in this picture is the camera hanging out in the foreground. It has a perfect angle. What are the odds it was pointed in the right direction, at the right times?

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM

How is that the bag when the hotel windows blew outward?

I still say it’s Lashkar-e-Taiba, the creeps behind the Mumbai attacks.

ExUrbanKevin on April 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM

That’s exactly who I thought of.

International hotel attack. Same cosmetic makeup as the marathon. And it fits the FBI description of someone “dark” possibly black. That’s a designation closer to the South East corner of the Islamic world.

But, if it does turn out to be a Northern African, good night Barry.

budfox on April 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Even easier,….the runner numbers. They got the time when they crossed shortly after.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

The loathsome Obama said, “We will find out why they did this”. This implies there could be a legitimate reason behind it. Obama is very close to clinically insane.

VorDaj on April 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

I’ve decided that I’m gonna formally speculate that it could be a left-wing group or a left winger. The Unabomber was a leftist, and an environmental wacko. What about the Occupy crowd? They can be very violent, and on Tax Day, they could be upset that the “rich aren’t paying their fair share.”

TarheelBen on April 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Well-done.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

What the target was not was the government, or the IRS, or a minority group—black people, gay people, Muslims, immigrants, Latinos, and so on.

There are lots of old fashioned Americans – families with a mom and dad, Catholics, Christians. Just a random thought.

williampeck1958 on April 16, 2013 at 7:41 PM

The SPLC doesn’t think they count,.. and can anyone name a terrorist attack on any of these protected sub species of democrat loyalists where they were the target?

Has there been a rash of bombings nobody covered recently?

The SPLC will never get it, to a Jihadist, we’re all the target, our wives, our kids, all of us. They seem to think only a “right wing” group could possibly want to kill Americans.. when history shows it’s the left with a long bloody history going back to 1866 and the democrats forming the Klan as their terror wing.

mark81150 on April 16, 2013 at 7:51 PM

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM

ORconservative on April 16, 2013 at 7:52 PM

And another question, wouldn’t you suspect that the race officials themselves would have a down the street shot constantly rolling at the finish line? How hard can it be to reconcile this photo with whatever finish line vids the officials have? That should show if the bag was it, or moved, or whatever.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 7:53 PM

bluefox on April 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM
Articles seem to go back and forth on that, inside the lobby, on the sidewalk in front of the hotel. You’d think that would be easy to figure out based on where the glass from the hotel ended up.

slickwillie2001 on April 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM

I agree. Wasn’t most of the injuries right in front of that hotel/building behind the barriers? That news report that showed the 2 bags as possibly being the “bomb” would have killed and injured the runners close to the finish line imo; rather than knocking them off their feet. Also one of the pictures right in front of that building/hotel on the cement was black and totally scorched.

bluefox on April 16, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Oh sorry, that posted before I wrote anything. Weird.
Good picture. There is no way this was not caught on a camera. If there is not a reasonable explanation, and a thorough one, they are covering something up.
Like when they say it is a right wing Christian granny there had better be video.

ORconservative on April 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Even easier,….the runner numbers. They got the time when they crossed shortly after.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

I don’t see the runners’ numbers, but given the first pic is of a pack of runners both male and female, I’d hazard a guess there’s a spread of less than an hour between the two pics.

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 7:55 PM

“and social justice?”

There’s that word again…

Seven Percent Solution on April 16, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Even easier,….the runner numbers. They got the time when they crossed shortly after.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

I don’t see the runners’ numbers, but given the first pic is of a pack of runners both male and female, I’d hazard a guess there’s a spread of less than an hour between the two pics.

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Look at the shadows. There aren’t any in the after blast photos. The sun had already moved on.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Ok, so of the 21 runners in the pic nobody can id them? Not even the runners themselves? That bomb went off within steps of the finish line. That should give an exact time of when the pic was taken.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 7:59 PM

but it’s hard to imagine the bomber carrying 50 lbs. of bombs in a single bag by hand without his movements being obviously labored. He could use two bags, one for each bomb, and carry each in a different hand, but that may have required him to pause sporadically if he was walking more than a few blocks.
(from the commentary)

Why the assumption that there is only one person carrying bombs?

If there were two explosions and hence two bombs, I would presume that there were at least two people carrying them … one each. The London Transport attacks (2005) involved backpacks; one carried by each perpetrator.

YiZhangZhe on April 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM

AP:

You ask how a guy with two duffel bags can go unnoticed? easy. He wears an EMT or other such jacket, and his two “duffel bags” are also labeled with EMT or Emergency Insignia.

At a race like the Boston Marathon, with so many people, and so many police, EMT’s, etc, he’ll blend right in, especially if he moves like he knows what he’s doing.

TKindred on April 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Thanks, I spent 6 years in Marine Artillery; I’m actually fairly well versed in IEDs. It’s likely that the limb injuries were of people especially close to the detonation. It’s not likely that this device was designed to limit the blast height. Also, I didn’t necessarily expect to see the mailbox or the tree on its side, but there most certainly would’ve been noticeable and distinct damage to both as they were within feet of the supposed device.

BKeyser on April 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM

In this photo, you can see the role the mailbox played. To the left of the mailbox is…well….a mess. To the right, its clean. That tells me the bomb was where the mess is.

Of real importance in this picture is the camera hanging out in the foreground. It has a perfect angle. What are the odds it was pointed in the right direction, at the right times?

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM

A much better picture. Thank you.

Lily on April 16, 2013 at 8:06 PM

YiZhangZhe on April 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM

As were the Spain train bombs, and also in pressure cookers.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Look at the shadows. There aren’t any in the after blast photos. The sun had already moved on.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:58 PM

An astronomer with a good idea of Boston could probably make a good estimate of time on pic number 1. Boyston runs a bit north of due east (I’d say about the 80-260 axis), so the effects of the sun’s movement on the shadow from the building on the south side of the street is a bit exaggerated versus what it would be if Boyston were a true east-west street.

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Is this the bag?

Well, it’s not in a trashcan and it’s not black.

Also, the mailbox right next to it is still standing.

Has there been any confirmation the bombs were in trashcans, or is that one of those rumors that has been accepted as fact?

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:15 PM

accepted as fact?

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Unfortunately it seems the FBI and BPD have about as much clue as we do as to who might have and how.

Limerick on April 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM

That mailbox is most likely older than everyone on this blog, made of steel plate. It probably weighs close to 500-600 lbs. Ball bearings will just ricochet right off that thing.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

That explains why it is still in one piece and why it is still standing.

But unless it is bolted to the concrete wouldn’t it have moved a noticeable distance?

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Has there been any confirmation the bombs were in trashcans, or is that one of those rumors that has been accepted as fact?

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:15 PM

I haven’t seen any trash cans in any of the videos/pics. Been sort of busy so haven’t seen anything about “pressure cookers. Just heard about them. A lot of rumors imo. I just hope the truth won’t be covered up.

bluefox on April 16, 2013 at 8:22 PM

So here’s the thing.

The authorities don’t have a clue about who bombed the Boston Marathon. It’s early but they don’t have a clue about the alleged Ricin attack on a Senator. It seems to me that this administration is better at dealing with the aftermath of stuff than they are in showing any leadership. I’m not even bringing up Benghazi in this thread because we all know just how much of a failure the rat-eared coward was with that.

When do the recriminations start? When DHS fails to figure out who was able to deliver unnoticed 50 pounds of bombs to the finish line at the Boston Marathon?

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM

In this photo, you can see the role the mailbox played.

BobMbx on April 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM

And it looks anchored to a slab of concrete. My question has been answered.

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I’m putting money on it being one of our happy crazy people whom the ACLU have helped liberate from our mental institutions and are now free to pursue self-expression in public by exceeding the body count of previous mass-murderers and thus claim the recognition of others that the voices in their head tell them they deserve.

Socratease on April 16, 2013 at 8:28 PM

I haven’t seen any trash cans in any of the videos/pics. Been sort of busy so haven’t seen anything about “pressure cookers. Just heard about them. A lot of rumors imo. I just hope the truth won’t be covered up.

bluefox on April 16, 2013 at 8:22 PM

You have been busy. Do an internet search on Benghazi and catch up on just how blatant these criminals are in covering up the truth. Seven months after the fact and we know very little more than when the rat-eared devil and the pig in a pantsuit lied their asses off in the Rose Garden.

How was Ambassador Stevens killed?
What was he and the CIA doing in Benghazi in the first place?
Why wasn’t assistance called in?
Why was the crime scene left unsecured for weeks….

Etc. This isn’t a thread about Benghazi but it shows just how little we will probably find out about the Boston bombing if it doesn’t fit the administration’s narrative that this is domestic terrorism and not yet another example of the religion of peace seeking to kill infidels (us).

Happy Nomad on April 16, 2013 at 8:29 PM

I haven’t seen any trash cans in any of the videos/pics. Been sort of busy so haven’t seen anything about “pressure cookers. Just heard about them. A lot of rumors imo. I just hope the truth won’t be covered up.

bluefox on April 16, 2013 at 8:22 PM

I think that is a trashcan, not a mailbox. Up the street roughly where the first bomb was (676 Boylston St. in Google Maps Street View, looking north), there’s the blue USPS mailbox right next to another one of these boxes).

Steve Eggleston on April 16, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Also, I didn’t necessarily expect to see the mailbox or the tree on its side, but there most certainly would’ve been noticeable and distinct damage to both as they were within feet of the supposed device.

BKeyser on April 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM

I can understand the mailbox not appearing significantly damaged or moved, but I would expect a small tree right next to the bomb to show significant damage.

And wouldn’t the actual bomb location be cordoned off in some way?

I think the photos are inconclusive as to whether or not that was the bomb. If I had to commit I’d say no.

farsighted on April 16, 2013 at 8:33 PM

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