At least four Republican senators likely to vote yes on background-checks bill

posted at 11:21 am on April 15, 2013 by Allahpundit

Just Toomey, Collins, Kirk, and Maverick John McCain so far, but expect a few more to flip soon. Jeff Flake’s on the fence but he’s probably worried about voting no on gun control across the board when fellow Arizonan Gabby Giffords is campaigning hard against it in the media. (Since McCain’s apparently voting yes, Flake has some cover to follow suit.) Dean Heller has also been galloping towards the center ever since his close call against Shelley Berkley in last year’s Senate race in purplish Nevada. That’s six Republicans — normally enough to break a filibuster when the Senate’s 55 Democrats vote together. Are they voting together this time? Pryor and Begich voted against even considering the bill, so presumably they’re both no’s the rest of the way. Frank Lautenberg’s ill and unlikely to be on the floor this week, so that’s 58 for Reid right now.

Who’ll be numbers 59 and 60?

There are a dozen other Republicans who voted for a motion to proceed on the gun control bill last week, including Sens. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.) and Dean Heller (Nev.).

Flake on Friday was reviewing the bill while Heller’s office said the senator “will not support any plan that creates a federal gun registry.” Corker is reviewing the bill, according to The Tennessean. Chambliss has made it clear that he opposes the underlying gun control bill that is headed to the Senate floor…

Centrist Democrats who are expected to vote for Manchin-Toomey are Sens. Robert Casey Jr. (Pa.), Kay Hagan (N.C.), Tim Johnson (S.D.), Joe Donnelly (Ind.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.) and Mark Warner (Va.).

But Democrats who declined to comment or didn’t say definitively where they stand on Manchin-Toomey include Sens. Max Baucus (Mont.), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.) and Mary Landrieu (La.). Baucus and Landrieu are seeking reelection in 2014 and are top GOP targets.

News is breaking on Twitter as I’m writing this that Hagan is a yes. Why would a red-state Democrat from the south commit to a bill on background checks when she’s up for reelection next year? Because: Reid’s going to give her lots of opportunities to vote no on other gun-control amendments to make voters back home happy. The whole reason Feinstein’s assault-weapons bill and a bill on high-capacity magazines will be brought to the floor is so that vulnerable Dems like Hagan and Landrieu and vulnerable blue-state GOPers like Collins can drive a stake through them and claim some pro-gun bona fides in their reelection campaigns even while they’re voting yes on background checks. Think it’ll be enough to placate gun-rights groups? In Collins’s case, at least, I’m thinking no:

The Republican conflict came to the fore last week during a closed-door luncheon for Senate Republicans, when Senator Susan Collins, of Maine, eyes blazing, stood up and complained about a series of attack ads that she was facing back home from a gun-rights group with deep ties to Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky…

Her comments, according to several Republican aides, ignited a tense debate, similar to many the party has faced since its loss in the race for the White House last year. Senator Rob Portman, Republican of Ohio, stood to say he had been raising money for Ms. Collins’ re-election, only to watch her have to spend it to defend herself against the attack from the gun group, which has been directed at other members as well…

Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, a freshman ally of Mr. Paul’s, jumped in to promise he had nothing to do with the group, according to officials briefed on the event. Then Mr. Paul, feeling attacked, stormed out. (A spokeswoman for Mr. Paul did not respond to repeated requests for comment.)

One other X factor here is immigration. My assumption is that vulnerable Dems are more likely to vote yes on the Gang of Eight bill then they are on the Toomey/Manchin bill simply because they’re likely to have more Republicans voting with them on immigration. But that vote always carries some risk in red states, and if Landrieu and Pryor and the rest are committed to it, then maybe they feel they have no choice but to vote against gun control in its entirety, including Toomey/Manchin, to retain some goodwill with conservatives back home. Hard to gauge, though, when the fate of immigration reform is still so dicey. What if Landrieu’s expecting/hoping that the Gang of Eight bill will collapse soon, now that conservatives are about to turn their full focus to it? In that case she’ll never get a chance to vote, which means she can afford to be a little squishier on background checks to appease liberals. Lots of moving parts in the Senate machinery right now. I wonder who’ll end up getting sucked into the machine and flattened next November.

Here’s Alan Gottlieb of Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms insisting that Toomey/Manchin is actually a total win for gun-rights supporters and that they should get behind it. The NRA, needless to say, does not agree.

Update: Don’t overlook the possibility of a cloture/final vote switcheroo either. Reid can probably get to 51 votes on the final bill even without red-state Democrats. Where he really needs them is on the cloture vote, to beat a GOP filibuster. How many of them will be willing to vote yes on cloture and no on the final bill on the theory that gun-rights fans in their home states care more about the final vote than the cloture vote?


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This country is coming apart at the seems. Strap in folks

LeftCoastRight on April 15, 2013 at 11:23 AM

I absolutely hate John McCain. I would say more, but then the ban-hammer would come down on me. So, let your imagination fill in the rest…and, no, violence carried out upon his person by citizens is not part of it.

Resist We Much on April 15, 2013 at 11:27 AM

“Centrist Democrats”

LOL.

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And, why would anyone think that the other 12 Republican TRAITORS who voted to advance the bill would not vote for it? That’s like believing that Rubio is going to “WALK AWAY” from his AMNESTY bill.

Pork-Chop on April 15, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Take it to the bank. Republicans will betray you. As LeftCoastRight above says, strap in. It is going to be a rough ride as the Constitution is betrayed. It is too late for elections to fix this without the country suffering terribly.

Subotai Bahadur on April 15, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Guns: The Left’s True Aim, and How to Thwart It
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/guns_the_lefts_true_aim_and_how_to_thwart_it.html

We must not lose focus on the end goal of progressives regarding guns. Make no mistake; regardless of what they say, their ultimate goal is confiscation of all guns in America. And a “universal background check” will get them closer to this nirvana than the banning of a few selected weapons ever could.

Enforcing the universal background check will require registration of all guns in a national database; otherwise, how and where do we prevent private sales without background checks? And the details of how to enforce the background checks will be handled by the legislation, neatly out of the direct view of the public. Once that occurs, the government will have a list of all legal guns and owners in the U.S., making confiscation extremely easy when the time comes.

Colbyjack on April 15, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Dang it Flake
Geez

cmsinaz on April 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM

How many of them will be willing to vote yes on cloture and no on the final bill on the theory that gun-rights fans in their home states care more about the final vote than the cloture vote?

That’s pretty arrogant and foolish. The negative ads that run against them will gladly omit that final bill vote and focus on the cloture vote. And if enough pro-gun people in their states believe those ads, those Senators are toast. See? The low information voter thing can work against the Dems just as well as it can work for them.

Doughboy on April 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM

ALternate headline:

“4 GOP Senators decide re-election more important than Constitution”

BobMbx on April 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Buy them while you still can.

Stock up on Ammo too.

portlandon on April 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Oh… And Susan Collins of Maine is NOT going to vote for the bill then as she claims on Saturday?

Why is she spending dollars advertising that she’s not going to do… What she WANTS to do?

Skywise on April 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Remember. It’s For the Children. You know, the children that don’t belong to us because it takes a village.

portlandon on April 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM

The Republican conflict came to the fore last week during a closed-door luncheon for Senate Republicans, when Senator Susan Collins, of Maine, eyes blazing, stood up and complained about a series of attack ads that she was facing back home from a gun-rights group with deep ties to Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky…

That’s hilarious. Boo freakin hoo. Votes have consequences…don’t like ‘em, don’t vote for it.

The biggest problem with this bill is the false sense of “security” it will give to people. Look, Congress did something to curb gun violence! Obama helped save kids! Even Republicans think there need to be more restrictions! The reality, of course, is that this would not have prevented Newtown, nor will it stop the next deranged nutjob.

Of course, the writing is on the wall. Boehner will allow it to pass the House with Dem support, especially now that he’ll have cover from the likes of McCain. When he does, the least the GOP could do is finally relieve him of the Speakership. It’s pointless to hold the House if you’re just going to let the Dems pass what they want.

changer1701 on April 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM

McCain and Collins are beyond horrible! You can always count on them to sell the US down the drain by their votes! Is there any human that can primary Collins? There isn’t a dimes bit of difference between a d and r when it comes to McCain and Collins?

I feel sorry for Paul and Cruz, they are but a precious few to will help as much as they can.
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letget on April 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM

The background check is just cover for those who have already abused privacy rights, once there is a universal background database the DHS won’t have to resort to a warrant to get access to medical records from your health care provider or even the Veterans Administration. We should be strengthening privacy rights not diluting them

fourdeucer on April 15, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Frank Lautenberg’s ill and unlikely to be on the floor this week, so that’s 58 for Reid right now.

Funny that the guy who authored the Lautenberg Amendment (domestic violence gun ban) is too sick to be counted on for greater gun grabbing. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy! One of the DC pols for which I will shed no tears when they shake off this mortal coil and go to join Teddy Kennedy and Jack Murtha in whatever level of hell holds corruptocrats.

Happy Nomad on April 15, 2013 at 11:36 AM

I would normally say that any repubecans that vote for ANY new anti-2nd Amendment laws should be primaried and thrown out.

BUT, seeing as the nation as a whole is rapidly swirling down the socialist toilet bowl, I know that probably won’t happen anyway, so what’s the point?

America is doomed, was nice knowing you.

Meople on April 15, 2013 at 11:36 AM

The Republican conflict came to the fore last week during a closed-door luncheon for Senate Republicans, when Senator Susan Collins, of Maine, eyes blazing, stood up and complained about a series of attack ads that she was facing back home from a gun-rights group

That’s right Suzie, save your anger and rage for Republicans. Don’t you dare, you know, stand up for Republican values when it matters like the passage of Obamacare or the protection of our civil rights. Cupid Stunt- retire already if you can’t defend the gutting of the Constitution.

Happy Nomad on April 15, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Only four? I would have figured it would have been all of them and maybe some of their family members thrown in for good measure.

Take it to the bank. Republicans will betray you. As LeftCoastRight above says, strap in. It is going to be a rough ride as the Constitution is betrayed. It is too late for elections to fix this without the country suffering terribly.

Subotai Bahadur on April 15, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Well they have been a disappointment in the last few years. Actually ever since I starting voting thirty odd years ago. Some years they have been better than in others but I think on average they vote with the democraps.

The Constitution has been betrayed for decades. Lets face it. The majority in this country want laws that ebb and flow with the culture and popular demand. Having some laws more or less in stone is a big hindrance. As fewer and fewer people care about the Constitution the government will ignore it more and more as well as other laws. Lets face it. Quite a few of the current admin should be at the very least facing charges and having their day in court. Heck we don’t even enforce the tax laws and allow a substantial number of BO’s stuff to continue to work while dodging taxes.

Dr. Frank Enstine on April 15, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Gun Control Derangement Syndrome
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/gun_control_derangement_syndrome.html

Gun-control activists want background checks to keep people with mental illness from buying a gun. That’s sounds like a great idea. But now thousands of private gun dealers will be reading your confidential and sensitive medical records?Gun control will erase the privacy protections of HIPAA.

Red State is reporting that, tipped off by Congressional staffers reviewing the legislation, doctors will be required to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient. There won’t be any due process — a chance for you to dispute inaccurate information. And everyone’s medical and psychiatric records have to be reported, because who knows who is going to walk in tomorrow and ask to buy a gun?

Second, who will be considered mentally ill? According to WBEN in Buffalo, a prescription for anti-anxiety medications can cost you your Second Amendment rights.

Will proof of U.S. citizenship be required every time someone tries to buy a gun? Don’t hold your breath waiting for gun control activists to screen everyone for legal immigration status. Do we want foreigners buying guns inside the United States?

Eighth, as we’ve seen with the “No Fly” list, many people have similar names or the same name. When I asked Delta to look up my frequent flyer number years ago, they responded that Delta had 245 Jonathon Moseley’s in their computer system.

Colbyjack on April 15, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Obama will probably instruct Goober to vote against the infringement law to keep up appearances. There is a deep bench he can go to. That fruitcake in Ohio might be called on, but might diminish his power on the promoting homosexual marriage so maybe not. It might be that kook in Tennesee’s turn. At least it won’t be Brown. Good riddance to him.

Buddahpundit on April 15, 2013 at 11:40 AM

At least four Republican senators likely to vote yes on background-checks bill

Allahpundit

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( B L E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E P )
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Sometimes ya’ just gotta let off some steam, brother.
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et tu, Sen Toomey ? ….. et tu ?

Signed: a PA resident who supported you wholeheartedly. : (

listens2glenn on April 15, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Whatever these fascists arrive at I will not comply with it. Game it all you want, GOP, if you effers aren’t excising the trash from your party then I’m gone; have fun running around in the the minority forever. I’ll just keep my head down and wait it out.

Bishop on April 15, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I absolutely hate John McCain. I would say more, but then the ban-hammer would come down on me.

Resist We Much on April 15, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Yeah, McCain pretty much gets a pass on HA these days for that reason. The threat of too much candor is the path to destruction! ;0

Happy Nomad on April 15, 2013 at 11:48 AM

The GOP expects us to sit down and shut up. Well it looks to me like we will, all the way to 2017. All these pipe dreams of the GOP taking the Senate back is just that, pipe dreams. Too many of us have finally woken up and seen the GOP for the spineless liar it is.

Limerick on April 15, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Allah is doing a worse than usual job of concealing his glee at this.

I assume you’ve all noted that with him it is always, always either (1) concern trolling, or (2) ironic distance, on every conservative issue … except of course Israel/Middle East, the one time when he really sounds like he believes in something.

Are you guys OK with that?

Do liberals put up with non-allies posting a steady stream of flip, morale-sapping stuff like this on their media sites?

What a weird, deeply fake, site this has become. 50% troll and rising. Very helpful. I wonder if MM thinks the $$$ was worth it.

P.M. on April 15, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I just love the logic of all this pass-the-bill crud. We trash the Second Amendment because it will make us mad later and we’ll drop kick the donks. Brilliant. Just frrrrrrrrrrakn brilliant.

Limerick on April 15, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Every single vote evey step of the way matters. If anyone thinks that voting “yes” for any part of this thing and then voting “no” on purposely outrageous amendments will get them anywhere with constituents, then he or she is an idiot.

Therefore, I expect the majority of GOP members to sign right up. Toomey, especially.

Don’t campaign on the mainline, Pat. Believe me; the conservative base that remains here is against you to a man.

ROCnPhilly on April 15, 2013 at 11:58 AM

P.M. on April 15, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Is he wrong about the GOP senators supporting this, or the chances more will?

changer1701 on April 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Colbyjack on April 15, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Nice link and quotes.

fourdeucer on April 15, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Gottlieb’s gone insane. Does he really trust congress to not mess with the bill? The executive branch when making up regs? The language is rather open ended. Who is a neighbor? A family member?

Given whats happening in New York right now, does anyone really think the ATF and other gov/police forces won’t seize first and ask questions later. Do you have a legal document proving you bought that gun legally in a private sale before the law passed? From grandpa’s will for that old double barrel shotgun? If not, well you’re a felon until you prove otherwise. Then they take all your guns after a joke of a trial, make you a felon for life and take away your voting rights.

Does he really think New York wont find away around “peaceable travel” and arrest people anyway?

Expect no mercy, and give none. 34, 68, 86.

oryguncon on April 15, 2013 at 12:11 PM

If you can find it, buy more ammo of whatever caliber (you can always trade) – you’re going to need it!

Another Drew on April 15, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Volokh has a good rundown on some of the grievous problems which would take effect under Manchin’s stupid bill. The aholes know exactly what they are doing.

http://www.volokh.com/2013/04/15/the-pro-gun-provisions-of-manchin-toomey-are-actually-a-bonanza-of-gun-control/

Bishop on April 15, 2013 at 12:14 PM

This country is coming apart at the seems. Strap in folks

LeftCoastRight on April 15, 2013 at 11:23 AM

We have Gangrene on the body of America.
Rotting and spreading. We need an amputations..or we won’t survive.
I see the tipping point and we are sick.
Our freedoms and constitutional rights are being trampled on, by dangerous idiots in charge elected by a half brain dead society.
They keep the citizens stupid on purpose. What amendment isn’t under attack? Tell me!
The power lays in the hands of our ” civil servants”(which is a joke..they don’t serve us..they control us-both left and right) who sit behind closed doors/make deals..gain power and don’t give a damn about this country or Americans. Our 1st,2nd amendments rights under attack, our healthcare turning 3rd world. Amnesty to the poor illegals-who now are not illegals.. new euphantisms and PC lies to accomplish the brain washing and our destruction. Wars that engage ROE that guarantee we loose and harm our soldiers..death sentences.
Aide to our enemies, lib plans to take your children as the collective, LIES LIES LIES. No media, no truth- a game and we are their pawns. It is enough to make you sick and we sit here under their thumb. I am full of hate right now and zero trust- I will scrape up $ to march on DC- get the American people together and fight God Dammi$! I see apathy.. hopelessness.. and it is what they want. Beating us down and coming at us from all directions-lets fight!

As far background checks..I am a law abiding..actual real tax paying citizen. I have no crim record. I do have a health condition and take controlled meds. If I am denied my 2nd amendment rights..don’t think I won’t go underground. I will be able to take care of myself..and I will not be stopped!
I will not tell doctors or anyone-what I find none of their God Da$m business.

I have never been so disgusted in my life. And McCain can go straight to hell..and his gang.

bazil9 on April 15, 2013 at 12:15 PM

The Republican conflict came to the fore last week during a closed-door luncheon for Senate Republicans, when Senator Susan Collins, of Maine, eyes blazing, stood up and complained about a series of attack ads that she was facing back home from a gun-rights group with deep ties to Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky…

So where was Collins when Bloomberg’s group was running ads against pro-gun Senators like Toomey? It’s good to know that she’s always ready to stand up for what’s right, as long as it’s only her reputation that’s being trashed, huh?

Maybe when they’re done destroying the 2nd Amendment, they can move on to the first and stop all these pesky negative comments.

PetecminMd on April 15, 2013 at 12:16 PM

I absolutely hate John McCain. I would say more, but then the ban-hammer would come down on me.

Resist We Much on April 15, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Me too “my friend”.
I would get a Jack Hammer.
And not just on McCain.

bazil9 on April 15, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Any vote not to kill this bill “in its crib”, is a vote for gun-control, and Senators and Congress-members should be held accountable by their constituents for those votes.

Another Drew on April 15, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Personally, I would like to thank the gun and ammo manufactures for their stance in this governmental circus being plagued by law abiding citizens. As for the politicians I have no comment I care to share.

DDay on April 15, 2013 at 12:24 PM

You know, as this gets worse, and more confiscation begins (like the ‘wrong guy’ case in NY), it seems like it just has to be a matter of time before they come to confiscate someone’s guns, and that person is going to be killed when they resist.

I wonder if that will be the spark.

Midas on April 15, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Since they lost Snowe, they got Ayotte
to take her spot in the gang.
What a disappointment.
Toomey..needs to be put in a tomb.

bazil9 on April 15, 2013 at 12:26 PM

If McCain is voting yes, then you can guarantee his boyfriend Graham will vote yes also.

Fazman on April 15, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Geeee….sur-prise, sur-prise, sur-prise…..Kirk is a yea vote.

Ya’ll may loathe McCain….but I loathe Kirk just as much, along with the philosophy that these guys are the “best we can do”.

tencole on April 15, 2013 at 12:31 PM

yeah Tencole..
Remind me why a squishy RINO is better
then a D. I see no difference
when it matters.
Colossal joke.

bazil9 on April 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM

The “Pro-Gun” Provisions of Manchin-Toomey are Actually a Bonanza of Gun Control
http://www.volokh.com/2013/04/15/the-pro-gun-provisions-of-manchin-toomey-are-actually-a-bonanza-of-gun-control/?

1. The provision which claims to outlaw national gun registration in fact authorizes a national gun registry.

2. The provision which is supposed to strengthen existing federal law protecting the interstate transportation of personal firearms in fact cripples that protection.

Let’s start with registration. Here’s the Machin-Toomey text.

(c) Prohibition of National Gun Registry.-Section 923 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(m) The Attorney General may not consolidate or centralize the records of the
“(1) acquisition or disposition of firearms, or any portion thereof, maintained by
“(A) a person with a valid, current license under this chapter;
“(B) an unlicensed transferor under section 922(t); or
“(2) possession or ownership of a firearm, maintained by any medical or health insurance entity.”

The limit on creating a registry applies only to the Attorney General (and thus to entities under his direct control, such as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives). By a straightforward application of inclusio unius exclusio alterius it is permissible for entities other than the Attorney General to create gun registries, using whatever information they can acquire from their own operations.

Colbyjack on April 15, 2013 at 12:43 PM

According to a report released yesterday by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), the rate of antidepressant use in this country among teens and adults (people ages 12 and older) increased by almost 400% between 1988–1994 and 2005–2008.

The federal government’s health statisticians figure that one in every 10 Americans takes an antidepressant. And by their reckoning aboutantidepressants were the third most common prescription medication taken by Americans in 2005–2008, the latest period during which the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) collected data on prescription drug use.

That is a lot of Americans that are soooo unstable..they shouldn’t own a gun. /
Thats a large chunk of citizens they will harass and go after…
The beginning.

bazil9 on April 15, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Consider these scenarios:

You get in a heated political debate at a cocktail party with the hostess’s gynecologist. Next morning your name goes in they psycho database.

Your podiatrist is a rabid hater of anything that goes “bang”. He discovers you have a collection of civil war muskets. Your name goes in they psycho database.

Your are involved in a medical malpractice lawsuit . . .

You are chronically late with a payment to your doctor . . .

You don’t even know your name is in the psycho database since you never tried to purchased a gun. You are unfortunately involved in a heated child custody fight with your ex who hired a rat bastard attorney who found your name in the psycho database. You lose child custody.

kurtzz3 on April 15, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Well, folks, it was a nice ride. At least we’ll have some interesting stories to tell our grandchildren in the gulag.

cynccook on April 15, 2013 at 12:52 PM

I expect one of the two Georgia RINOs to be the 60th vote. Thankfully Chambliss is retiring after 2014.

midgeorgian on April 15, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Citizen Militias don’t need guns anymore.

Why? Because, silly, the government has a standing army.

The 2nd Amendment is obsolete so we can just forget about it.

Goodnight, America.

profitsbeard on April 15, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Goodnight, America.

profitsbeard on April 15, 2013 at 1:12 PM

And thanks to Twitter, we can do away with 1st Amendment.

BobMbx on April 15, 2013 at 1:17 PM

May their mistresses give them an embarrassing rash.

CurtZHP on April 15, 2013 at 1:24 PM

If McCain is voting yes, then you can guarantee his boyfriend Graham will vote yes also.

Fazman on April 15, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Perhaps but that could well be the ticket to being primaried. Especially after voting in favor of amnesty for the illegals. I suspect that he may be voting yes on gun-grabbing but only in his heart.

Happy Nomad on April 15, 2013 at 1:27 PM

At least four Republican senators likely to vote yes on background-checks bill

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/traitor

trai·tor (trtr)
n.
One who betrays one’s country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason.

If the shoe fits…..

PappyD61 on April 15, 2013 at 1:40 PM

What a weird, deeply fake, site this has become. 50% troll and rising. Very helpful. I wonder if MM thinks the $$$ was worth it.

P.M. on April 15, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I think you are terribly incorrect in your criticisms, and unfair.

Jaibones on April 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Oh dear !

Sandybourne on April 15, 2013 at 12:06 PM

This is the other shoe I was waiting on. Gottleib was selling this as an expansion of gun owner rights, or something. Yeah, right.

Jaibones on April 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM

You really thought that the pubs cared about you and the Constitution? Come on folks. How hard do you have to be kicked in the head to finally get it? These gubmint pukes think only of themselves.

Goodbye America, it was nice knowing you.

johnny reb on April 15, 2013 at 1:46 PM

What a weird, deeply fake, site this has become. 50% troll and rising. Very helpful. I wonder if MM thinks the $$$ was worth it.

P.M. on April 15, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I think you are terribly incorrect in your criticisms, and unfair.

Jaibones on April 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Terribly incorrect? Nah. 50% might be a little high. Maybe 50% of the traffic/discussion is troll-driven, though.

Midas on April 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM

What the phuck does Gabby Giffors have to do with shiite?
Damn it!
Ron Barber will be a single termer as will be Jeff Flake if Jeff doesn’t GROW A PAIR and vote the fundamental beliefs of the AZ constituency.
Even (the Brit Ex-pat Carpet Bagger & gutless wonder that he is BTW) Barber’s constituency is NOT ANTI-GUN in his southern border District! (If you doubt this you’re full of shiite.)
Jezus H Khrist … is there something in the DC water system that causes diminished testosterone?
Hear me and hear me NOW Senator Flake. I and members of my family gave you money to run against the Doctor. If you want to have a popsicles chance in Yuma you’d better get your shiite together and vote in TOTAL HONOR and fealty with the Second Amendment. If you fail this simple test, you’d better get a big loan from John McLame’s WIFE for your re-election campaign. Because you vote with CHUCKIE SCHUMER and DIANE FEINSTEIN and BARBRA BOXER and (Oh lord this list is too long …) DO NOT depend upon funds from the voters of Arizona. Capish? Comprende?

Missilengr on April 15, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Of course, the writing is on the wall. Boehner will allow it to pass the House …

changer1701 on April 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Yup.

Carnac on April 15, 2013 at 2:38 PM

God damn all four.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM

You know, as this gets worse, and more confiscation begins (like the ‘wrong guy’ case in NY), it seems like it just has to be a matter of time before they come to confiscate someone’s guns, and that person is going to be killed when they resist.

I wonder if that will be the spark.

Midas on April 15, 2013 at 12:24 PM

This country is turning into a giant dry powder keg. Almost anything could be the spark to set it off. I’m waiting to see what happens when we have warmer weather. Will there be more people in the streets that might set something off? Don’t know. Why I say that is that there are 2 hot buttons out there right now; gun control and amnesty.

Mirimichi on April 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Check out Volokh, who basically argues that non-lawyer Toomey (SellOut-PA) got snookered on the language of Manchin-Toomey.

http://www.volokh.com/2013/04/15/the-pro-gun-provisions-of-manchin-toomey-are-actually-a-bonanza-of-gun-control/

DaMav on April 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Graham to Oppose Toomey-Manchin
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/345615/graham-oppose-toomey-manchin-eliana-johnson

I will oppose the Toomey-Manchin background check amendment. The proposal, while well-intentioned, is not a solution to illegal gun violence
— Lindsey Graham (@GrahamBlog) April 15, 2013

The amendment will likely face an uphill battle, and Graham’s announcement is a blow to gun-control advocates who had hoped to win him over to their side with this compromise.

Colbyjack on April 15, 2013 at 3:54 PM

“The Pro-Gun’ Provisions of Manchin-Toomey are Actually a Bonanza of Gun Control”
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=48687

Let’s start with registration. Here’s the Machin-Toomey text.

(c) Prohibition of National Gun Registry.-Section 923 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(m) The Attorney General may not consolidate or centralize the records of the
“(1) acquisition or disposition of firearms, or any portion thereof, maintained by
“(A) a person with a valid, current license under this chapter;
“(B) an unlicensed transferor under section 922(t); or
“(2) possession or ownership of a firearm, maintained by any medical or health insurance entity.”.

The limit on creating a registry applies only to the Attorney General (and thus to entities under his direct control, such as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives). By a straightforward application of inclusio unius exclusio alterius it is permissible for entities other than the Attorney General to create gun registries, using whatever information they can acquire from their own operations. For example, the Secretary of HHS may consolidate and centralize whatever firearms records are maintained by any medical or health insurance entity. The Secretary of the Army may consolidate and centralize records about personal guns owned by military personnel and their families.

Colbyjack on April 15, 2013 at 3:57 PM

At least four Republican senators likely to vote yes on background-checks bill


This IS YOUR GOP.

Rand Paul and Ted Cruz ARE TEA Party representatives.

Which do you support today? The 0bama spittle lickers or the TEA Party candidates/representatives, or the 0bamanation?

The TEA Party’s are made up of people who care enough about America to get involved and WORK to keep America the land of the free. If you aren’t part of that fight, why not? If not you, who will best represent you?

DannoJyd on April 15, 2013 at 5:58 PM

I’d like to hear from the people here who said we should allow this to go to a vote just to let the red state dems twist in the wind. Still think it’s genius logic to do this?

Vince on April 15, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Deep breath. Manchin-Toomey is not going to become law as is..First there are two competing bills being written one by Grassley, one by Coburn. Both afford opportunities to modify Man-Too or vote for an alternate bill and not for Man-Too. Second there will be a House version to conference with Man-Too and it isn’t going be a duplicate by any means. Don’t expect anything that goes to Obama to be something he likes more than the NRA. Republicans and red state democrats don’t have a death wish.

bluesdoc70 on April 15, 2013 at 9:56 PM

to reduce deaths genius

nonpartisan on May 6, 2013 at 8:21 PM

So you’re 100% against abortion, right?

dominigan on May 7, 2013 at 10:30 AM