Rubio goes all in, will serve as chief salesman for new immigration bill

posted at 11:21 am on April 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

Second look at Charlie Crist?

No, no second looks at Charlie Crist. Ever.

Rubio is planning a media blitz to promote the bill — which is expected to be released early next week — making the rounds on all of the Sunday political talk shows starting this weekend, wooing skeptical conservative radio hosts and pitching the plan to Spanish-language news outlets. The campaign is aimed at building public support for the far-reaching immigration bill that will dominate Capitol Hill’s attention for much of the year…

The Florida Republican has privately briefed individual GOP senators on the Senate Judiciary Committee — including conservative skeptics John Cornyn of Texas and Mike Lee of Utah — about the soon-to-be-unveiled proposal, according to sources familiar with the matter. His staff has pitched the plan to conservative thought leaders, including at the National Review and Wall Street Journal editorial board as well as the columnist Charles Krauthammer, sources say…

Far from dropping out of the group, as some suspected after his tepid comments recently, Rubio will essentially become its most prominent salesman, effectively putting his political capital — and presidential ambitions — on the line in the process. With momentum behind the push, Rubio clearly has calculated it makes more sense for him to fully embrace the effort, rather than run away from it and potentially kill the measure just as it is introduced.

This line made me laugh: “The gambit could pay off in spades by crowning a leading presidential contender in 2016, or it could permanently damage the Republican’s brand with conservatives.” What do you mean “or”? I’d bet cash money that it ends up doing both. If there’s one shining lesson from the past two presidential cycles, it’s that having a damaged brand with conservatives is no barrier to the GOP nomination. Rubio’s making a perfectly rational calculation here that he’ll gain more with Republican centrists and independents than he’ll lose with conservatives. And he’s probably right: Immigration reform is popular and some righties who end up P.O.’d at him for this will end up forgiving him for various reasons, either because they have stronger objections to other 2016 candiates, because they think Rubio’s the most electable candidate in the field, etc etc. Becoming chief salesman of this dubious bill may feel like a betrayal of conservatives but it’s actually Rubio’s way of protecting as much of his conservative cred as he can. If he’s making the effort to woo conservative thought leaders, as he did once before at the start of this process by appearing on various righty talk radio shows, then it’s harder for top conservatives to demonize him personally. You’re apt to see a lot of commentary like “This bill is crap but I know Rubio’s intentions are good and I appreciate his effort to solve intractable problems.” That sort of criticism’s not going to sting in 2016, especially since it’ll be hard to tell yet at that point whether the bill’s goals are being accomplished. And look, unless he walks away now, he’s bound to end up anyway as the Gang of Eight’s lightning rod for conservative discontent, if only because of his tea-party promise circa 2010 and the fact that he’s a frontrunner amid the next presidential field. There’s nowhere for him to hide politically if he continues to support the bill. In which case, why not own it and seize the opportunity to use his formidable communication skills in his own defense?

Rubio might also think that taking a big public role gives him extra leverage over what ends up in the final version. The chances of passage were always going to be dodgy if he walked away, but Democrats may have calculated that they could still get to 60 without him between McCain, Graham, and a few other squishes provided that Rubio kept a low profile in his opposition. No chance of that now. If the de facto chief spokesman decides to pull the plug at some point, it’ll be open season on the bill by conservatives. That would make it hard for other Republicans, especially in the House, to justify voting yes, which in turn might make Schumer et al. more reluctant at the start to frighten Rubio off by further weakening the bill. The question is, is he right that this gives him more leverage or does it actually give him less? He’ll be the face of the bill starting on Sunday; with that kind of personal investment in it, he can’t walk away lightly if Democrats decide to “tweak” a few provisions. He’s already apparently caving on his demand for multiple immigration hearings since, per Politico, it now looks like there’ll be just one token hearing in May. Rubio’s countermeasure on that may be to hold multiple Republican-only hearings on immigration over the next month, but that’s absurd. Why on earth is he partnering with Democrats on this bill if they can’t be bothered to participate in his own attempts at relevant fact-finding? It’s an egregious insult, not to mention a dereliction of their basic congressional duties to be as well-informed as they can before drafting major legislation, but apparently not so egregious to make him walk away. Byron York writes that the Senate’s failure to hold official hearings could destroy public trust in the bill but that’d be more likely if the most visible Republican among the Gang of Eight wasn’t providing them with political cover here. If you’re looking for reasons to think that Rubio’s prominence will hold Democrats in check, you’re off to a bad start.

Confidence-building exit quotation from Lindsey Graham: “If he gets off [of the Gang of Eight], I’d be surprised. And if he got off, I’d be surprised if I stayed because we think pretty much the same.”


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There is no hope.

Jim-Rose on April 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM

NO SALE!

hawkeye54 on April 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Well, it looks like obama was smart to hand-select Rubio to push AMNESTY. Rubio has become obama’s most valuable operative, and, there can longer be any doubt that he is a vile, filthy TRAITOR.

Pork-Chop on April 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM

“Dead Man Walking….make way fir the Dead Man Walking”.
You can’t win without the “American” vote.
III/0317

dirtengineer on April 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Power corrupts.

kingsjester on April 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Welcome, everyone, to the United States of North Mexico.

Bitter Clinger on April 12, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Back before the media went all in for communism amnesty was polling something 70/30 against. It went across all spectrums including Hispanics. The majority out of the beltway does not want amnesty yet there appears to be little opposition within it.

What triggers the revolution?

DanMan on April 12, 2013 at 11:29 AM

I’m completely disgusted with Rubio. Hope someone starts a recall petition.

aniptofar on April 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM

“Quick check with arch conservatives Pat Tomby and Christie Creme! this will be the most fantasticist boon to the Repunk ranks since Boosh took Irak!” With Love, Karl Rove

WE ARE SCREWED PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES THE ONLY REMEDY!

ConcealedKerry on April 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Rubio will essentially become its most prominent salesman, effectively putting his political capital — and presidential ambitions — on the line in the process

And the Dems are allowing this? It’s safe to say Rubio doesn’t have Admiral Ackbar on speed dial.

Kataklysmic on April 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM

So long, Toomey. So long, Rubio.

knob on April 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM

The bill sucks, and so does Rubio.

Immediate legal status for untold (and unlimited) numbers of illegal aliens, and a promise (that will never be kept) for future enforcement by an administration that blatantly and willfully ignores existing laws.

Who does Rubio think he’s fooling?

AZCoyote on April 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM

What triggers the revolution?

DanMan on April 12, 2013 at 11:29 AM

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4880509746348420&pid=1.7&w=144&h=145&c=7&rs=1

davidk on April 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Granted, pushing for amnesty by itself won’t prevent Rubio from being the 2016 GOP nominee. John McCain is proof of that. The problem is the field next time around will be very competitive and Rubio will have to defend his pro-amnesty position while other contenders can situate themselves much further the right.

Not that it matters to me. If amnesty passes, none of them will get my vote in 2016.

Doughboy on April 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM

No more best of the worst for me. I was told that we need to do so if for nothing else than SCOTUS picks, and that got us what, Roberts stabbing us all in the neck.

Sorry. Pass this crap and I’m gone because there won’t be anything left to vote for except ‘rat or ‘rat-lite, the latter being simply a slow motion train to the same hell the former would give us.

I’ll just keep my head down and wait it out.

Bishop on April 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Amnesty is really for politicians – it lets THEM off the hook for doing nothing for the last 30 years.

Nothing like letting foreign governments make immigration policy for the USA.

Wander on April 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM

We bought a box of Jello yesterday to decorate a grandchild’s birthday cake and my wife noticed it was as bilingual as any legally required English/French label in officially bilingual Canada.

Forward!

Drained Brain on April 12, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Why don’t more of you say so long to the Republican Party??!? Some of you think it’s just a handful of rinos. Every day there are more handfuls of rinos. Wake up already!

GhoulAid on April 12, 2013 at 11:36 AM

RUSH eats the full Rubio sandwich today!!!!

Marco your career is finished with the limited government Conservative base.

PappyD61 on April 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Who cares about his preidential ambitions if he’s going to mint 12 million new Democrat voters?

How would any Republican win ever?

blue13326 on April 12, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Can we get an explanation from Rubio on this bullshiit 5-year border control punt?

crrr6 on April 12, 2013 at 11:38 AM

They’re already flooding over the border in anticipation of this. I don’t know what my state (AZ) can do except defy the Feds, and form our own posse, to round them up and ship them back.

JannyMae on April 12, 2013 at 11:38 AM

What triggers the revolution?

DanMan on April 12, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The EBT cards being turned off. Until then, absolutely nothing will happen.

You’ve seen how bad things are in Greece and Cyprus, right? There has been nothing more than a few scattered, disorganized riots there despite the EU literally stealing the peoples’ life savings. We need to just take care of ourselves at this point, we aren’t going to get saved by another revolution.

Doomberg on April 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Freedom Works what are you waiting on?

CONSERVATIVE PARTY TIME.

PappyD61 on April 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Looks like the GOP believes that the appearance of cooperation in destroying the U.S. holds more promise for reelection than carrying out their duties to the nation and the voters who elected them. That’s pretty sad considering the whole “conservatives are uncooperative” meme was concocted by the White House to get them to cave in exactly this manner.

Only the weak fall for such cheap Jedi mind tricks. Flush them all out next election.

ROCnPhilly on April 12, 2013 at 11:43 AM

What appeared to be principle turns out to be nothing more than venal ambition.

EastofEden on April 12, 2013 at 11:43 AM

What triggers the revolution?

DanMan on April 12, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The EBT cards being turned off. Until then, absolutely nothing will happen.

You’ve seen how bad things are in Greece and Cyprus, right? There has been nothing more than a few scattered, disorganized riots there despite the EU literally stealing the peoples’ life savings. We need to just take care of ourselves at this point, we aren’t going to get saved by another revolution.

Doomberg on April 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Won’t happen, ever. Even when the money runs out, EBT cards will be replaced with coupon-based food distribution. Trust a person who lived under Soviets for 22 years…

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Yeah yeah yeah.

Y’all go form your own party. And quit saying you’re going to annex Texas! Remember W and his 40 percent of the Hispanic vote? Perry and his “heart”? Don’t come here, you won’t like it.

Marcus on April 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM

guess 2010 wasnt all that great in retrospect…

chasdal on April 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM

New Campaign Slogan – NORubio

rsherwd65 on April 12, 2013 at 11:46 AM

We need to just take care of ourselves at this point, we aren’t going to get saved by another revolution.

Doomberg on April 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM

We won’t but our kids might. I’ll go down fighting.

VegasRick on April 12, 2013 at 11:46 AM

You’ve seen how bad things are in Greece and Cyprus, right? There has been nothing more than a few scattered, disorganized riots there despite the EU literally stealing the peoples’ life savings. We need to just take care of ourselves at this point, we aren’t going to get saved by another revolution.

Doomberg on April 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM

That’s because Greece and Cyprus are getting bailed out. No one’s gonna come to our rescue. There isn’t enough money in the world.

Doughboy on April 12, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Won’t happen, ever. Even when the money runs out, EBT cards will be replaced with coupon-based food distribution. Trust a person who lived under Soviets for 22 years…

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM

What about barter, alternative forms of currency? Is there not some way to prevent the moochers from eating out our substance before the inevitable crash? They exist solely because we produce and allow them to use the power of government to steal.

ROCnPhilly on April 12, 2013 at 11:48 AM

That’s because Greece and Cyprus are getting bailed out. No one’s gonna come to our rescue. There isn’t enough money in the world.

Doughboy on April 12, 2013 at 11:47 AM

You don’t know much about how socialism works, right? Money will become obsolete at some point. The distribution of goods will be based on work-hours, with rates for different kinds of work being set by an elite group of “enlightened” individuals. Naturally, setting the rates, enforcing them, and distributing the goods will be VERY high rated jobs…

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM

The Golden Child.

HerneTheHunter on April 12, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Yeah yeah yeah.

Y’all go form your own party. And quit saying you’re going to annex Texas! Remember W and his 40 percent of the Hispanic vote? Perry and his “heart”? Don’t come here, you won’t like it.

Marcus on April 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM

So, amnesty is popular in Texas?

here are some #s.
University of Texas/Texas Tribune poll of registered Texas voters
May 11-18, 2011
http://www.fairus.org/facts/states/poll_TX

87% support fines for businesses who hire illegal workers.
Oppose amnesty 57% to 37%.
70% support “requiring law enforcement officials to check someone’s immigration status when they suspect him/her of being in the country illegally.”

BoxHead1 on April 12, 2013 at 11:53 AM

What about barter, alternative forms of currency? Is there not some way to prevent the moochers from eating out our substance before the inevitable crash? They exist solely because we produce and allow them to use the power of government to steal.

ROCnPhilly on April 12, 2013 at 11:48 AM

What about a squad of militarized police visiting your community and confiscating the goods and the provision as a measure “to feed the children”, or the guns – “for the public good”, of course? All they (the government) will need is to cut communications between individual communities, then squash a few points of resistance, and make the examples well known (after distorting them) through government controlled media. Note that the first item is now as easy as adding filters to a few key Internet servers…

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Well, well, well. Looks like plenty of us here correctly identified Marco Rhinio.

And please, John McCain’s mini-me is not that great of a communicator. He is full of platitudes, mesmerized with his own story which he refers to constantly, and uses washed up water bottle scenarios as filler.

I won’t be going through the 5 stages of grief on this one. At least he’s out of the closet.

LetsBfrank on April 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Where is Terryannonline to scold all of us for dumping on Senor Rubio?

portlandon on April 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Remember W and his 40 percent of the Hispanic vote?

Marcus on April 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I realize math is hard, but if the Republican politicians most beloved by Latinos get less than half of their votes, doesn’t creating more of these voters increase the other parties margin of victory?

Kataklysmic on April 12, 2013 at 11:56 AM

What’s this electable business Allahpunidit? Those “deemed” electable usually don’t get elected – see McCain. Romney….etc. Rubuo will be no exception

journeymike on April 12, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Incredible. The public doesn’t want this and yet we’re having it crammed down our throats. Our politicians are all utterly corrupt and clearly business interests that conservatives have been foolishly supporting are driving this.

M240H on April 12, 2013 at 11:56 AM

What about barter, alternative forms of currency? Is there not some way to prevent the moochers from eating out our substance before the inevitable crash? They exist solely because we produce and allow them to use the power of government to steal.

Guns and ammo unless the Rubios, Toombys, McCains, Grahamns,take them away. The ultimate barter materials.

ConcealedKerry on April 12, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Dateline January 2016. Congratulations President Rubio, you are now the captain of the US Titanic. Women and children first!!

Deano1952 on April 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM

And he’s probably right: Immigration reform is popular

Then why does he have to do a media blitz to drum up support for the Amnesty 8 amnesty plan?

xblade on April 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM

CONSERVATIVE PARTY TIME.

PappyD61 on April 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM

The time has come, you guys.

msmveritas on April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I weep for the Party I am a member of…

ToddPA on April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Guns and ammo unless the Rubios, Toombys, McCains, Grahamns,take them away. The ultimate barter materials.

ConcealedKerry on April 12, 2013 at 11:57 AM

They don’t need to. Another two decades of public schools, and your children will give away the guns they inherit from you for free Lady Gaga tickets.

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

After reading the hate directed at Rubio

None of you have any suggestions? Round up millions of immigrants and deport them? Never happen …and you’re smoking crack if you think that’s possible

BLAME corporations…and politicians for the illegal problems…

CHEAP LABOR

At least Rubio has a sensible plan.

And by the way if you haven’t noticed…we have AMNESTY NOW

Redford on April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

This seems to be how things work now (Both parties mind you):

1. Introduce bill. Any bill. Doesn’t matter.
2. Make sure the bill is garbage.
3. Say the bill is garbage.
4. Vote for the garbage bill.
5. Say it was the best we could do or some other vague platitude.
6. Run for President.

Gatsu on April 12, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Y’all mention the EBT cards. I have a Food Town grocery store in my majority minority district of Houston. It is a lesson social science to go there. I am one of the few that pays with cash or a debit card from a bank.

Couple of nights ago an asian mom and daughter buy $31 in stuff on their LoneStar card. Only non-candy or processed thing they got was a small bag of grapes. Nice looking young black couple next to me buys a few items on their card and I follow them out on my way to my truck. They climbed into their nice Jag parked next to me.

I have not heard of any effort to audit this program from our GOP controlled legislators.

DanMan on April 12, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Terryannonline is a delicate hothouse flower. Years ago she had a complete meltdown because I called Barry a Kenyan idiot or something and was screaming that I be banned. Total nutcase.

GhoulAid on April 12, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Marco, I gave you a fair hearing. You said you could get the border sealed, despite the obvious fact you were dealing with dishonest brokers. So, what do you get us? A bullshiit commission 5 years out to figure out what ever BigSis could have done wrong in opening the floodgates securing the border. You’re dead to me.

crrr6 on April 12, 2013 at 12:01 PM

You don’t know much about how socialism works, right? Money will become obsolete at some point. The distribution of goods will be based on work-hours, with rates for different kinds of work being set by an elite group of “enlightened” individuals. Naturally, setting the rates, enforcing them, and distributing the goods will be VERY high rated jobs…

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM

You’ve pretty much spoken to my fears. One concern I have is that after the dollar collapses, the government will take control of food distribution and essentially turn us all into dependants. The question is whether they’re smart enough or capable enough to do this.

In spite of how well they’re wrecking the economy, I am not sure they’re bright enough to manage a food distribution system well enough to keep the situation stable.

Doomberg on April 12, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Rubio’s making a perfectly rational calculation here that he’ll gain more with Republican centrists and independents than he’ll lose with conservatives.

If so I think he’s making a bad calculation. But I’m not sure he’s actually making a political calculation at all. Like Bush was, he may just be passionately pro-amnesty.

Jon0815 on April 12, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Vaya con diablo.

America’s new national motto.

profitsbeard on April 12, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Another thousand-page bill, crammed through the legislature with no public scrutiny, no scrutiny even by the politicians themselves, and we are supposed to support that because Rubio is all in?!

With this bill, Dodd Frank, and Obamacare, the feds now own every aspect of our lives.

You’re dead to me, Freddo.

PattyJ on April 12, 2013 at 12:05 PM

After reading the hate directed at Rubio

None of you have any suggestions? Round up millions of immigrants and deport them? Never happen …and you’re smoking crack if you think that’s possible

BLAME corporations…and politicians for the illegal problems…

CHEAP LABOR

At least Rubio has a sensible plan.

And by the way if you haven’t noticed…we have AMNESTY NOW

Redford on April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

1. Deploy E-Verify. Fine employers who violate it.
2. Cut aliens off EBT, OgabeCare, schools, free ER, and other gimmes.
3. Give no due process to illegals caught committing felonies.

Make these happen and you won’t need to deport anyone. Of 20+ million invaders, 19 will return to their native shitholes and the rest will painlessly integrate and earn a legal status, that way or another.

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I realize math is hard, but if the Republican politicians most beloved by Latinos get less than half of their votes, doesn’t creating more of these voters increase the other parties margin of victory?

Kataklysmic

Naaah. See, it’s kind of like selling at a loss. You just make it up on volume. Meanwhile, it’s kind of funny that he keeps bringing up W….the guy that most of the country blames for every problem under the sun…Hispanics included. So yeah, let’s emulate that guy. It’s also funny how he never mentions Ted Cruz, who also got 40% despite going on Mexican radio and admitting he was against amnesty.

xblade on April 12, 2013 at 12:06 PM

What about a squad of militarized police visiting your community and confiscating the goods and the provision as a measure “to feed the children”, or the guns – “for the public good”, of course? All they (the government) will need is to cut communications between individual communities, then squash a few points of resistance, and make the examples well known (after distorting them) through government controlled media. Note that the first item is now as easy as adding filters to a few key Internet servers…

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM

That, no doubt, explains the push for a gun registry and the government ammunition purchases.

ROCnPhilly on April 12, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Redford on April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I’ve got an idea: he can seal the goddamned border and tie it to any amnesty plan, like he was supposed to. This was a very generous and modest minimum requirement, which he couldn’t even fulfill.

crrr6 on April 12, 2013 at 12:06 PM

I’m pretty open minded about citizenship for long-time illegal alien residents, but I am a fringe-right objector to any plan that fails to solve the problem and/or gives the Hispandering scum Democrats a political advantage.

I would rather have an armed national building-by-building search-and-deport mission costing billions than let The Axis of Vermin (Obama, Schumer, Durbin) exploit illegals for longterm political gain. And I have Zero confidence that Rubio, Grahamnesty, McLame, and Flaky have the wits to defend us against the lies and deceit of The Axis.

Jaibones on April 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

The front-page pic is creepy.

Looks like Superman being mind-controlled by Lex Luthor right behind him.

Or, a bit more pedestrian, it’s dummy Rubio with ventriloquist Schumer’s hand in his back.

Marcola on April 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I’m reading Walter Williams’s autobiography. In it he recounts a discussion with an economics professor about the minimum wage. At the time, Williams was inclined to support it. But the professor asked him to think about the following question: Are you care more about the intentions behind legislation or do you care more about the effect of that legislation?

Immigration is certainly a different issue, but doesn’t the same question apply?

I’m mad as hell that these sh*theads haven’t studied and offered a report on what happened after Reagan’s amnesty and now apparently are not going to even try to project what will happen with this amnesty.

BuckeyeSam on April 12, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Rubio fails us, Republican’s fail us ; had such high hopes for this guy, what a let down ! The ship is rudderless

Sandybourne on April 12, 2013 at 12:08 PM

If there’s one shining lesson from the past two presidential cycles, it’s that having a damaged brand with conservatives is no barrier to the GOP nomination.

It is a barrier for winning the whitehouse. So I guess the question Rubio needs to ask himself is does he want to be the just the GOP nominee. Thes emoderates always think they can win going left.

Bush was a liberal but he ran and pretended to be conservative.

unseen on April 12, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Redford on April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Not only do you not listen well, you’re pretty uninformed on the topic.

What we have now if far from optimal due to a severe lack of immigration law enforcement. But it’s a far cry from amnesty.

The solution is shouted on these boards all of the time. Attrition through law enforcement. Every resource should be used to deprive illegal aliens of jobs, free education, free healthcare and social services. Do this and they will leave on their own and at their own expense and with the incentives removed, take pressure off the border. Furthermore this approach addresses the other half of the illegal migration, visa over stays.

The Rubio plan is treason and betrayal of conservatives. I hope his actions are cause for a very short political career henceforth.

voiceofreason on April 12, 2013 at 12:10 PM

None of you have any suggestions? Round up millions of immigrants and deport them?

Redford on April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Shut up, dumbass. There have been commenters here since 2007 with logical proposals and solutions they have voiced. Your laziness and ignorance does not create a communications crisis for us now.

Jaibones on April 12, 2013 at 12:10 PM

That, no doubt, explains the push for a gun registry and the government ammunition purchases.

ROCnPhilly on April 12, 2013 at 12:06 PM

If you think that the goal is to take your beloved guns now, think again. The Dems are playing a very long-term game, same as they did with gay marriage. They are preparing the next generation to accept the castration of the Second as inevitable item of public consent. Let the public school work its magic on your children’s minds just a wee bit longer…

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM

It’s simple unless the border is secure nothing else matters because we will just be dealing with this issue again in 20 years.

The country needs some massive assimilation of all new people.

unseen on April 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Republicans are caving on every issue; soon there will be two parties with a liberal/progressive agenda. I think I will exit the Republican Party and join the Independents.

Oracleforhire on April 12, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Rubio is Bush clone all the why. The GOPE has moved so far to the left they are no longer different then the dems. We need a third party.

unseen on April 12, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Rubio fails us, Republican’s fail us ; had such high hopes for this guy, what a let down ! The ship is rudderless

Sandybourne on April 12, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Quite a few people here (myself including) were screaming from the rooftops that Rubio will disappoint you. Ol’ McCain might be just deranged and senile, but Rubio is worse – he will sell you for power with zero remorse, in full understanding of what he’s doing.

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM

For you all still on the fence , this is yet another reason to join those of us in the Let It Burn crowd.

TheAdmiral on April 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM

The country needs some massive assimilation of all new people.

unseen on April 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM

“What this country really needs is more unemployed politicians.” –Edward Langley

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM

After reading the hate directed at Rubio

None of you have any suggestions? Round up millions of immigrants and deport them? Never happen …and you’re smoking crack if you think that’s possible

Redford

Ahhh yes, the old round ‘em up canard. Never heard that one before, lol. No, no one here or anywhere else has ever offered any solutions to this problem that don’t involve either amnesty or rounding them all up. And bigfoot is real too.

By the way, how many folks did Alabama round up and deport a few years ago when illegals started fleeing the state in droves?

xblade on April 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Like Bush was, he may just be passionately pro-amnesty.

Jon0815 on April 12, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Not always…

voiceofreason on April 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM

the only ones that care about immigration reform are leftists and illegals. i’ll put cash money that there are more conservatives than that group.

moderates aren’t thinking about immigration reform any more than they’re worried about the deficit, joblessness, or obama’s ineptitude.

these idiot senators are gambling that they’re going to become the next obama, but the only people they’re appeasing will never vote for them.

its sad to see what Rubio is doing to himself…

jetch on April 12, 2013 at 12:23 PM

If you think that the goal is to take your beloved guns now, think again. The Dems are playing a very long-term game, same as they did with gay marriage. They are preparing the next generation to accept the castration of the Second as inevitable item of public consent. Let the public school work its magic on your children’s minds just a wee bit longer…

Archivarix on April 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM

You are quite right. The nonsense my kid’s friends believe astonishes us both. It is unfortunate that there is no real support structure where conservatives can associate, support and reinforce the true American concepts and ideas that made this nation great. Even the churches have now been taken over by short-sighted and weak go-along-to-get-along whiners.

ROCnPhilly on April 12, 2013 at 12:28 PM

its sad to see what Rubio is doing to himself…the country

jetch on April 12, 2013 at 12:23 PM

fify

chasdal on April 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

1. Overturn the disastrous 1965 (Kennedy) “Let’s Turn the U.S. into Northern Mexico” Immigration Act, and increase balanced immigration from all nations and races, as before 1965.

2. Secure the border.

3. Create a true work permit — no citizenship, and required annual return home policy.

4. Eliminate chain immigration policies — you want to be with your family? Go home.

5. Set in law a permanent residency without citizenship for those here illegally, with a very short window for coming forward to obtain legal residency “out of the shadows”. Like one year. After that, you’re an illegal alien again.

Fix the problem.

Jaibones on April 12, 2013 at 12:33 PM

MR maybe too personally involved in this immigration push just as Portman changed his mind on gay issue. He’s put himself or his dad in the shoes of every illegal. Stop feeling sorry for them and do what’s right by the constitution and the country. Too much self serving goin’ on round here.

Kissmygrits on April 12, 2013 at 12:37 PM

1. The bull shit deal “You can not round them up.”

They go home three to five times a year most of the illegals, they take the El Rubio bus lines. Go to any large truck stop or any large Mexican food restruant on any Interstate that goes south on Christmas time, near the days of death, they do birthdays at grand ma’s, they go to weddings, they take used cars and trucks home to family,,, so that is pure crap.

On Rubio.

On the other hand it is a good thing that he shows his hand now.

It could be that he would have been elected Pres. and done worse in office as Pres..

As it is if he gets re-elected and continues this back stabing we have only ourselves to blame and the fact we allow/allowed the RINO’s to back stab U.S. into this condition.

We are the key not the back stabbers,they are a few, we have the numbers, always have had it, it is just the doing the right thing.

ps

Ted Curz will not back down.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

You are quite right. The nonsense my kid’s friends believe astonishes us both. It is unfortunate that there is no real support structure where conservatives can associate, support and reinforce the true American concepts and ideas that made this nation great. Even the churches have now been taken over by short-sighted and weak go-along-to-get-along whiners.

ROCnPhilly on April 12, 2013 at 12:28 PM

You are right, many churches have little interest in spiritual support or the teachings of Christ. Oh, they throw a few bible
verses out now and then, however, their main objective is to advance a progressive agenda.

I caught on to this long ago. I have actually walked out of the church during sermons that were mostly about leftie politics.

Amjean on April 12, 2013 at 12:45 PM

hey Marco, say Hi to Shumer for me will ya??

ToddPA on April 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

None of you have any suggestions? Round up millions of immigrants and deport them?

Redford on April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Shut up, dumbass. There have been commenters here since 2007 with logical proposals and solutions they have voiced. Your laziness and ignorance does not create a communications crisis for us now.

Jaibones on April 12, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Calling names proves your ignorance

The reason we have illegal immigration is lobbyists. That’s not going to change. This is simply more ‘crazy legislation’ talk.

And for the record, I work for a living, and don’t have the time to live on HA..but when I do …it’s obviously a right wing outfit. We lost the election in 2012..this country is not right wing…far from it. Romney got more votes than Bush..more Evangelicals voted for Romney than any previous GOP nominee.

Get out and talk to people..a conservative is a ‘bad name’…I don’t expect another Republican in the WH ever… TX will be blue by 2020. The Dems’ ground game is unbelievable. Hispanics are the largest growing voting segment (it didn’t happen overnight), the Dem propaganda worked…Dems have all of the majority of minority voters..including white women.

White men don’t count:)

Redford on April 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

MArk Levin’s response to Rubio here will be VERY interesting. Must listen for me today.

cdog0613 on April 12, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Rubio is self-immolating. There is no other way to put it.

Also, he thinks Tupac is better than Biggie. Can we really trust someone with judgement that bad?

Aquateen Hungerforce on April 12, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Redford on April 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

If you spout ignorance yourself, your opinions will not be held in high esteem anywhere.

6-10 million White Voters stayed home on Election Day. Most of them conservatives.

Romney won White Women by 12%

Romney got FEWER votes than Bush Jr. in 2004. 60 million vs 62 million.

And look up Operation Wet*back during the 1950′s. Worked very well in getting rid of illegals in just a few years.

sentinelrules on April 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM

The Dems’ ground game is unbelievable. Hispanics are the largest growing voting segment (it didn’t happen overnight), the Dem propaganda worked

It’s not propaganda if it is true. Poor, lazy immigrants want to come into the welfare state. We nominally don’t allow them entry. They enter illegally and proceed to be parasites. Dems love them and give them things. Not propaganda.

Aquateen Hungerforce on April 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Rewarding bad behavior only gets more bad behavior.

The GOP will never learn.

RedRobin145 on April 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Texas aka Texans will fight and it matters not who we have to take on.

Come and Take us if you dare.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 12, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Confidence-building exit quotation from Lindsey Graham: “If he gets off [of the Gang of Eight], I’d be surprised. And if he got off, I’d be surprised if I stayed because we think pretty much the same.”

Rubio getting off with Graham and McCain. Dead to me.

After reading the hate directed at Rubio

None of you have any suggestions? Round up millions of immigrants and deport them? Never happen …and you’re smoking crack if you think that’s possible

BLAME corporations…and politicians for the illegal problems…

CHEAP LABOR

At least Rubio has a sensible plan.

And by the way if you haven’t noticed…we have AMNESTY NOW

Redford on April 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Lean Forward. Don’t forget to grab your ankles, Robert.
E-Verify for employment and benefits. No money, they go home because they are already have a homeland and it’s not the USA,they will go home on their own…they just want your money:

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/02/04/the-path-not-taken/

RovesChins on April 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM

The Left has completely emasculated the Republican party. The GOP is now the Cameron Conservative party that disgraces Britain. The easily turned place-seekers, like Rubio,Toomey,Portman et al, are playthings for the Left. The main enabler of this self-immolation is Corporate America and their puppets like the degenerate Bush clan.

wraithby on April 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Marco Rubio – with friends like him, America needs no enemies.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Yes, Christ would be better.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 1:02 PM

And for the record, I work for a living, and don’t have the time to live on HA..but when I do …it’s obviously a right wing outfit.

Redford on April 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Shut the front door! Hot Gas is a right wing outfit?
Btw, we’ll send all the new ‘democrats’ to your neighborhood to settle. Enjoy the noise and Tijuana-chic decor.

RovesChins on April 12, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Rubio will essentially become its most prominent salesman, effectively putting his political capital — and presidential ambitions — on the line in the process.

So that toad, that worm, that snake will be the Destruction Of America Act’s spokes mouth, it’s Joseph Goebbels. Isn’t that a surprise. Who could have seen that coming.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I am highly suspect of this, but I’m willing to listen to Senator Rubio and hear the details in a more fully vetted (e.g. talk radio) setting.

dpduq on April 12, 2013 at 1:07 PM

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