Rubio goes all in, will serve as chief salesman for new immigration bill

posted at 11:21 am on April 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

Second look at Charlie Crist?

No, no second looks at Charlie Crist. Ever.

Rubio is planning a media blitz to promote the bill — which is expected to be released early next week — making the rounds on all of the Sunday political talk shows starting this weekend, wooing skeptical conservative radio hosts and pitching the plan to Spanish-language news outlets. The campaign is aimed at building public support for the far-reaching immigration bill that will dominate Capitol Hill’s attention for much of the year…

The Florida Republican has privately briefed individual GOP senators on the Senate Judiciary Committee — including conservative skeptics John Cornyn of Texas and Mike Lee of Utah — about the soon-to-be-unveiled proposal, according to sources familiar with the matter. His staff has pitched the plan to conservative thought leaders, including at the National Review and Wall Street Journal editorial board as well as the columnist Charles Krauthammer, sources say…

Far from dropping out of the group, as some suspected after his tepid comments recently, Rubio will essentially become its most prominent salesman, effectively putting his political capital — and presidential ambitions — on the line in the process. With momentum behind the push, Rubio clearly has calculated it makes more sense for him to fully embrace the effort, rather than run away from it and potentially kill the measure just as it is introduced.

This line made me laugh: “The gambit could pay off in spades by crowning a leading presidential contender in 2016, or it could permanently damage the Republican’s brand with conservatives.” What do you mean “or”? I’d bet cash money that it ends up doing both. If there’s one shining lesson from the past two presidential cycles, it’s that having a damaged brand with conservatives is no barrier to the GOP nomination. Rubio’s making a perfectly rational calculation here that he’ll gain more with Republican centrists and independents than he’ll lose with conservatives. And he’s probably right: Immigration reform is popular and some righties who end up P.O.’d at him for this will end up forgiving him for various reasons, either because they have stronger objections to other 2016 candiates, because they think Rubio’s the most electable candidate in the field, etc etc. Becoming chief salesman of this dubious bill may feel like a betrayal of conservatives but it’s actually Rubio’s way of protecting as much of his conservative cred as he can. If he’s making the effort to woo conservative thought leaders, as he did once before at the start of this process by appearing on various righty talk radio shows, then it’s harder for top conservatives to demonize him personally. You’re apt to see a lot of commentary like “This bill is crap but I know Rubio’s intentions are good and I appreciate his effort to solve intractable problems.” That sort of criticism’s not going to sting in 2016, especially since it’ll be hard to tell yet at that point whether the bill’s goals are being accomplished. And look, unless he walks away now, he’s bound to end up anyway as the Gang of Eight’s lightning rod for conservative discontent, if only because of his tea-party promise circa 2010 and the fact that he’s a frontrunner amid the next presidential field. There’s nowhere for him to hide politically if he continues to support the bill. In which case, why not own it and seize the opportunity to use his formidable communication skills in his own defense?

Rubio might also think that taking a big public role gives him extra leverage over what ends up in the final version. The chances of passage were always going to be dodgy if he walked away, but Democrats may have calculated that they could still get to 60 without him between McCain, Graham, and a few other squishes provided that Rubio kept a low profile in his opposition. No chance of that now. If the de facto chief spokesman decides to pull the plug at some point, it’ll be open season on the bill by conservatives. That would make it hard for other Republicans, especially in the House, to justify voting yes, which in turn might make Schumer et al. more reluctant at the start to frighten Rubio off by further weakening the bill. The question is, is he right that this gives him more leverage or does it actually give him less? He’ll be the face of the bill starting on Sunday; with that kind of personal investment in it, he can’t walk away lightly if Democrats decide to “tweak” a few provisions. He’s already apparently caving on his demand for multiple immigration hearings since, per Politico, it now looks like there’ll be just one token hearing in May. Rubio’s countermeasure on that may be to hold multiple Republican-only hearings on immigration over the next month, but that’s absurd. Why on earth is he partnering with Democrats on this bill if they can’t be bothered to participate in his own attempts at relevant fact-finding? It’s an egregious insult, not to mention a dereliction of their basic congressional duties to be as well-informed as they can before drafting major legislation, but apparently not so egregious to make him walk away. Byron York writes that the Senate’s failure to hold official hearings could destroy public trust in the bill but that’d be more likely if the most visible Republican among the Gang of Eight wasn’t providing them with political cover here. If you’re looking for reasons to think that Rubio’s prominence will hold Democrats in check, you’re off to a bad start.

Confidence-building exit quotation from Lindsey Graham: “If he gets off [of the Gang of Eight], I’d be surprised. And if he got off, I’d be surprised if I stayed because we think pretty much the same.”


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WOW! what else is there to say?

Between Boehner saying there was no rule, King saying that they will have a gun bill in the house and this….

Where is a tea party revolt when you REALLY need it?! There is no doubt the tea party is no longer in control. They would have never dared in 2010-2011!

This week has been a VERY interesting one.

Just priceless. The sad thing is… Come 2016, most of you here will be leaking his butt cheeks! You know it! AP knows it too.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on April 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Today we must all be aware that political expediency and latino ethnicity takes precedence over rule of law and constitutional procedure. However you say – WHAT THE – what does this mean… in relation to the tabulation whereby we must once again realize that the great reconquesta story is now being rehearsed before our very eyes, in the rise of Marco Rubio… indicating that only a two-faced, I mean a bi-faced, I mean a bi-lingual hombre can receive…the award for reconquesta, unlike Kenyan Hussein Obama whose reconquesta plans don’t drink water.

Amigos – comrades – friends, we are gathered here as an edifice of the great glory that is now vanishing and the intuitive feeling, based on the assumption as Mencken once said, “He who underestimates the American voter will never go broke.” This is merely a small indication to behold and to perceive that which has gone way into the behind and to that which might project .. I mean go forward … out of the mouth … i mean .. the future…we’ve got to rip up the constitution so we can rip down those outdated borders!

Ladies and Gentlemen. The time will come when a first world America will outlive its usefulness. Marx, either Groucho or Karl, I can’t remember which, maybe it was both or maybe it was Harpo, once said that America is the opiate of the people. I say that when America outlives its usefulness and becomes a majority latino nation , then opium…will be the opiate…Ahh that’s not a bad idea… we are going to need that especially when the booze runs out …

And the bi-partisan panel, has determined to give the prize to Marco Rubio for his EARNESTY’S RAINBOW. Now EARNESTY’S RAINBOW is a token of this man’s genius…he told me so himself and repeatedly …that he could change perceptions by calling his plan for knocking down those pesky borders EARNESTY …in other words, he could have been more specific, but rather than to allude to an articulation of the mundane, he has come to the conclusion that brevity is the importance of our nation’s shallow first world existence. God damn!

Marco Rubio’s . EARNESTY’S RAINBOW – is a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 450 of them … million live in the United States and Mexico which is a very, very small amount compared to those who will be miserable and dying elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where citizenship is a commodity and a politician can become a TV personality, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…

But I do want to thank la Raza…I mean the RNC … I mean the DNC and it’s subsidiary the RNC, the organization for the $1,000 in affirmative action latino scholarships they’ve given out…tonight they took in over $4,000,000, but they do have expenses for their consultants you know, and I think that I have another appointment. I would like to stay here, but for the sake of brevity I, I must leave. I do want to thank you, and I want to thank Marco Rubio – acting el Presidenta of la Raza Mexiamerica and also Mr. Obama – acting Pharaoh and Drone Commander of the World – and also I want to thank Professor Irwin Corey and thank you. …

RasThavas on April 12, 2013 at 1:11 PM

WOW! what else is there to say?

Just priceless. The sad thing is… Come 2016, most of you here will be leaking his butt cheeks! You know it! AP knows it too.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on April 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

We’re conservatives. We don’t deal in but cheeks, but please tell us more about your Obama cheek love.

RovesChins on April 12, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on April 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I think you mean “licking”, and I agree. The Romneybots will be selling the Pancho kid as the only “electable” choice. I sure hope it isn’t leaking when they do their licking.

wraithby on April 12, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Does anybody want to make any bets whether or not Rush Limbaugh will hold Rubio to his broken promises? My bet is that he won’t, not in any serious way. Rush has barely talked about amnesty and the 2nd amendment at all in recent weeks, he seems to be hanging out on the sidelines spending most of his time on secondary issues while the GOP has worked in secret to betray Rush’s audience about more important issues.

FloatingRock on April 12, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Hey Rico Rubio, the illegals are just not that into you. They heart Obama!

http://radio.woai.com/articles/woai-local-news-119078/obama-will-let-me-out-11180453/

Obama, tool. Not Rubio.

RovesChins on April 12, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I’m not supporting anyone for the nomination who 1) lacks the management experience to be President, 2) votes for ANY gun restrictions, or 3) votes for any immigration bill beyond enforcement of the border (there is plenty of time for reform AFTER the border is truly secure).

So Rubio was never going to be the guy I support anyway, he has no administrative experience, without which we get incompetence instead of accomplishment.

Adjoran on April 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Why am I starting to get the same vibe from Rubio that I got from Romney – that he wants to get elected to POTUS a little too much and he’d do/say anything to accomplish that goal?

katiejane on April 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM

MArk Levin’s response to Rubio here will be VERY interesting. Must listen for me today.

cdog0613 on April 12, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Mark Levin claims to the roof tops that he is against amnesty, but at the same time supports Rubio. I don’t think I have ever witnessed something more two-faced.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Does anybody want to make any bets whether or not Rush Limbaugh will hold Rubio to his broken promises? My bet is that he won’t, not in any serious way. Rush has barely talked about amnesty and the 2nd amendment at all in recent weeks, he seems to be hanging out on the sidelines spending most of his time on secondary issues while the GOP has worked in secret to betray Rush’s audience about more important issues.

FloatingRock on April 12, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Rush has been avoiding most of the serious issues. Mark Levin is one of the very few that hammers the traitors etc.

If Rush doesn’t call out Rubio, he will discredit himself, so it will be interesting to see what he does.

On Rubio, I think someone has brainwashed him or he has a bigger ego than Obama. I don’t have a problem with ego if it’s deserved, but couple it without common sense is a loser. Especially seeing what was the problem with the 2012 election loss and now he wants to not only repeat it, but be the leader of Amnesty??? LOL Stupid Party is now changed to Insane Party imo. If Obamacare had not been passed, Rubio would be between a rock and a hard place.
Let’s see, Health Care Mandates or Amnesty? ROFL

Oh, Rand Paul may be smiling about now:-)

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Does anybody want to make any bets whether or not Rush Limbaugh will hold Rubio to his broken promises? My bet is that he won’t, not in any serious way. Rush has barely talked about amnesty and the 2nd amendment at all in recent weeks, he seems to be hanging out on the sidelines spending most of his time on secondary issues while the GOP has worked in secret to betray Rush’s audience about more important issues.

FloatingRock on April 12, 2013 at 1:14 PM

If Limbaugh doesn’t start denouncing Rubio, amnesty’s most influential supporter, and like right now, he is worthless.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Rubio is planning a media blitz to promote the bill

….The collapse of AMERICAN SOVEREIGNTY, and national borders.

Behold, The UNITED STATES OF MEXICO.

PappyD61 on April 12, 2013 at 1:42 PM

cdog0613 on April 12, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Mark Levin claims to the roof tops that he is against amnesty, but at the same time supports Rubio. I don’t think I have ever witnessed something more two-faced.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Before slamming Mark Levin, let’s wait until we hear his response to this latest from Rubio.

Leaving Rubio’s latest decision, Mark Levin is one of the VERY few calling out all of the R traitors. You need to listen more:-)

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Let the dictionary define it for us:

traitor [ˈtreɪtə]
n
a person who is guilty of treason or treachery, in betraying friends, country, a cause or trust, etc.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/traitor

PappyD61 on April 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Mark Levin is one of the very few that hammers the traitors etc.

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Except for the biggest one of all, Rubio, which makes him worse than worthless.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Et tu, Marco? Nearly time for pitch forks and torches.

ratherbskiing on April 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Rubio goes all in, will serve as chief salesman for new immigration bill

Remember the story that floated a couple of years ago about how the Marxist Democrats had decided to abandon working class whites in favor of the new dependent class (THE TEATERS)?

It sure looks like the gop leadership has decided to do the same with whites and limited-government CONSERVATIVES.

The gop is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD. The republican party is just a twitching corpse. Why waste your vote for Democrat Lite when you can have the REAL TEATER LOVERS in power?

Third Party, Third Party, Third Party.

PappyD61 on April 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Why am I starting to get the same vibe from Rubio that I got from Romney – that he wants to get elected to POTUS a little too much and he’d do/say anything to accomplish that goal?

katiejane on April 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM

I get that also. Also I wonder who is standing in the wings when Rubio falls? He’s acting like he’s not going to have any opposition if he runs for the Presidency. If he’s that vain and deluded……

What he’s done today with this plan of his is a No Vote for Rubio.

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

NOTE TO HOTAIRIANS:

If you think the gop suspects they will be turned out of office over this you are sadly mistaken. They believe that millions of Hispanics will become republicans……..or……..they are willing to sell out national borders to their corporate sponsors and betray the citizens that voted for them. Take your pick. Either way. This immigration should be called the…..

“TURN TEXAS BLUE” Act.

PappyD61 on April 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

For the possible gains with ‘centrists’ and indies, he’ll lose the base.

Yeah, he might gain the nomination, so what?

It’ll be another Republican loss.

Te way this is going, add gun control, if the Republicans cave – again – they’re through.

catmman on April 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

A friend of an enemy of America is my enemy. If Levin and Limbaugh and Hannity support Rubio they are America’s enemy.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/obamas-gonna-let-me-go-illegal-aliens-give-lie-to-administration-border-security-claims/

“Obama’s Gonna Let Me Go”: Illegal Aliens Give Lie to Administration Border Security Claims

Not only do agencies of the U.S. government prove false the Obama administration’s assertions that the U.S.-Mexico border is more secure than ever before, so too do illegal aliens themselves. San Antonio’s news-talk radio station WOAI reports:

Officials say the number of people entering the U.S. illegally is way up and, tragically, the number of undocumented immigrants who have been found dead in the unforgiving Texas Brush Country is way up, and is on path this year to beat last year’s record for the number of people found dead in the ranch country.

Linda Vickers, who owns a ranch in Brooks County, which is Ground Zero for the immigration debate, pins the blame directly on talk of ‘amnesty’ and a ‘path to citizenship’ for people who entered the U.S. illegally.

She recalls one man being arrested on her ranch not long ago.

“The Border Patrol agent was loading one man up, and he told the officer in Spanish, ‘Obama’s gonna let me go’.”

Now where would he get that idea?

Meanwhile, rather than represent us and enforce the law, our supposed leaders – on both sides of the aisle – would rather party aboard yachts while our liberty and security vanish into thin air.

Pathetic.

THIRD PARTY NOW.

PappyD61 on April 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM

You can not stand with America and stand with Rubio.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Except for the biggest one of all, Rubio, which makes him worse than worthless.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Mark Levin is not the only person that supported Rubio. One can only go by what a politician says and how they vote. Now, Rubio has went back on his word. That is different than what he was saying before today.

Why you want to slam Levin is what I don’t understand. You wouldn’t make a very good judge. Rubio has spoken his piece, allow Levin to have his say.

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Et tu, Marco? Nearly time for pitch forks and torches.

ratherbskiing on April 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

He is the head SOB.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM

PappyD61 on April 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

If these Republicans think they will get the Amnesty beneficiary votes, they are more deluded than I thot.

How about the Conservatives/Independents joining the Libertarian Party and not voting Republican at all?

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Mark Levin is not the only person that supported Rubio. One can only go by what a politician says and how they vote. Now, Rubio has went back on his word. That is different than what he was saying before today.

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Levin didn’t seem to have that same trouble engaging his brain and seeing through Obama and McCain and Graham and quite some time ago. I, and a lot of other people, saw through Rubio more than a year ago. Last I heard, Levin supports Rubio, which makes Levin, no mater what spin he spins, anti-American. If he changes his mind no later than today, I will say “welcome home”, otherwise “Go to hell you God damned anti-American”.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Only one hearing? Really? I guess we’ll have to pass the bill to see what’s in it. What could go wrong? It worked so well with Obamacare.

ratherbskiing on April 12, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Suicide is never pretty – but the current self-destruction of the Repub Party is particularly ugly. May they NOT RIP.

TeaPartyNation on April 12, 2013 at 2:12 PM

It will be another sucker bill: boarder security will be promised and when initially the boarder seems secure, the legal status and path to amnesty & citizenship will kick in. Then the boarder security will go bad again but the rest will keep going.

Face it, democrat politicians want lots of undocumented future democrats coming over and no immigration reform bill can be trusted as long a there is a democrat in the White House, especially Obama whose administration has proven negligence in enforcing anything it doesn’t like.

Immigration reform laws can trusted to be enforced entirely only with a Republican in the WH.

Chessplayer on April 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Levin didn’t seem to have that same trouble engaging his brain and seeing through Obama and McCain and Graham and quite some time ago. I, and a lot of other people, saw through Rubio more than a year ago. Last I heard, Levin supports Rubio, which makes Levin, no mater what spin he spins, anti-American. If he changes his mind no later than today, I will say “welcome home”, otherwise “Go to hell you God damned anti-American”.

VorDaj on April 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Actually, Levin has been going after Rubio on this issue for several weeks. Levin’s main beef has been the complete back room dealings that have surrounded whatever this gang of 8 is doing.

As Rubio pushes a multi-thousand page bill, that was written in a back room, not seriously debated in public, and not read by anyone, the question will become ‘what is the difference between Rubio and Pelosi?’

Freddy on April 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM

So, Senator Rubio has cast his lot with Chuckie, and John.
That’s a real pair to draw to.
Senator, do yourself a favor, and spend the rest of the year fishing.

Another Drew on April 12, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Suicide is never pretty – but the current self-destruction of the Repub Party is particularly ugly. May they NOT RIP.

TeaPartyNation on April 12, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Self destruction, I agree. But they are not resigning, rather a merger is going on with the Dems.

Seems we have a one party rule. When 16 Republicans joined with the Democrats on gun control in the Senate that was a One Party Vote.

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM

First and foremost, Rubio is a politician.

ignatzk on April 12, 2013 at 2:37 PM

He can go to Hades, the tiny Bush.

Schadenfreude on April 12, 2013 at 2:52 PM

All this political calculation won’t matter at all if conservatives walk away from the GOP and vote third party. That’s exactly what I’m planning on doing if there is ANY amnesty for illegals. Rubio’s calculation is that conservatives have no where else to go but he and other GOP strategists are badly mistaken.I’m going to be voting third party to take Rubio and the GOP down for betraying their base and the American people.I’m throwing away my vote by voting for the GOP if they don’t represent my interests.

Hera on April 12, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Congress has plenary power over immigration. Congress has the sole power to regulate all aspects of immigration as a basic attribute of sovereignty. The courts have affirmed the plenary power doctrine many times.

Therefore, the bill can be written in such a way that it cannot be changed by the courts.

The bill could say, for example, that anyone who gets amnesty and applies for federal benefits will be deported, and, if a court does not uphold that requirement then all forbearance of illegal immigration since 1986 is removed and everyone who came into the country, or remained in the country illegally since 1986 is subject to deportation, and that there is no excuse good enough to forestall that deportation.

That way, it would be like a poison pill if advocate groups, political parties, or courts try to get around the law.

These same assurances could be added to all of the bill’s provisions. Border security, for example. If the border is not secure by a certain date according to a number of groups, including State governments, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, and a private group or two like Texas Border Volunteers or Minuteman Civil Defense (sort of like private “environmental” groups have standing in environmental law), then all people who are living here under temporary amnesty are subject to deportation.

This would cause whichever party is in power to work their asses off to make sure the border is secure.

These sorts of things could be done throughout the bill.

This time, if the government makes promises, let’s make sure they keep those promises. None of this wining about “the courts screwed us” or “the democratics screwed us”.

A bill actually can be written and should be written that ensures that the border is secured, that workplace identification is enforced, that tracking of visa overstays is effective and accurate, that only people who are here to work are allowed to stay, that criminals of all types are deported, that federal benefits of any kind do not go to illegal immigrants, etc.

jaime on April 12, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Obama feeds on carrion. May he choke from it.

Schadenfreude on April 12, 2013 at 3:21 PM

He can go to Hades, the tiny Bush.

Schadenfreude on April 12, 2013 at 2:52 PM

There are 16 he can take with him:-)

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Just priceless. The sad thing is… Come 2016, most of you here will be [licking] his butt cheeks! You know it! AP knows it too.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on April 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

The key word being, “most.”

Don’t factor me in this, because after humiliating myself in campaigning for Mitt, I finally have something in common with your garden-variety socialist. I want to see the GOP destroyed beyond all recognition.

I am no longer a Republican.

Myron Falwell on April 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM

All this political calculation won’t matter at all if conservatives walk away from the GOP and vote third party. That’s exactly what I’m planning on doing if there is ANY amnesty for illegals. Rubio’s calculation is that conservatives have no where else to go but he and other GOP strategists are badly mistaken.I’m going to be voting third party to take Rubio and the GOP down for betraying their base and the American people.I’m throwing away my vote by voting for the GOP if they don’t represent my interests.

Hera on April 12, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Threadwinner.

Myron Falwell on April 12, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Its all about the demographics. When they can import 10 million Dem voters, we’re done.

I moved away (FAR away) from California to get away from their insane immigration policies.

I’ve been calling my senator (Graham) weekly to complain about this push.

Thanks, Rubio, for crushing all hope of a conservative comeback. When the California disease hits then every state will be blue. Forever.

SCsteve on April 12, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I’ve been calling my senator (Graham) weekly to complain about this push.

SCsteve on April 12, 2013 at 4:28 PM

You would have been much better off bashing your head against a brick wall.

Myron Falwell on April 12, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Jeb’s Waterboy sold out for access to Barbara Bush’s rolodex. T.O.A.S.T.

This Floridians will vote for a democrat before I vote for a Bush-wacker again!

Talks like Reagan but votes lie Bush.

Jayrae on April 12, 2013 at 4:37 PM

All this political calculation won’t matter at all if conservatives walk away from the GOP and vote third party. That’s exactly what I’m planning on doing if there is ANY amnesty for illegals. Rubio’s calculation is that conservatives have no where else to go but he and other GOP strategists are badly mistaken.I’m going to be voting third party to take Rubio and the GOP down for betraying their base and the American people.I’m throwing away my vote by voting for the GOP if they don’t represent my interests.

Hera on April 12, 2013 at 3:18 PM

I’m with you!

Jayrae on April 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Jesus. Look at Schumer’s evil witch face in that picture. Guarantee that guy’s got 10 poison apples under his cloak.

ramesees on April 12, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Jeb’s Waterboy sold out for access to Barbara Bush’s rolodex. T.O.A.S.T.

This Floridians will vote for a democrat before I vote for a Bush-wacker again!

Talks like Reagan but votes lie Bush.

Jayrae on April 12, 2013 at 4:37 PM

I’ve always thot since the 2012 Primaries that Jebbie was next in line and possibly Rubio as VP. Now with this move by Rubio on Amnesty, which I know Jebbie supports, I’m puzzled. Is Rubio being set up to fail? Then Jebbie comes riding in on a white horse (a**)?

bluefox on April 12, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Like his hero (John McCain), Marco Rubio is a liar and a fraud. In 2010 he was against amnesty while McCain was campaigning to “compete the danged wall.” Up to two weeks ago he wouldn’t support a bill without enforcement and “triggers.”

Rubio has joined the ranks of potential GOP Presidential candidates I won’t vote for (including Jeb and New Jersey Fats). No one has mentioned Miss Lucy or Pat Tomey, but I won’t vote for them either.

bw222 on April 12, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Let the dictionary define it for us:

traitor [ˈtreɪtə]
n
a person who is guilty of treason or treachery, in betraying friends, country, a cause or trust, etc.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/traitor

PappyD61 on April 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Pappy, you just defined 90% of the GOP.

bw222 on April 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM

This is not immigration, it is an invasion. The invaders want their culture to be the dominant culture and the US will become the model of Central/South American government, just like the countries the invaders came from. We all know how well those countries treat their citizens!

polarglen on April 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Pappy, you just defined 90% of the GOP.

bw222 on April 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM

How about 90% of our government???

BigWyo on April 12, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I guess you could bump it up to 96% if you want to include the DNC.

BigWyo on April 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM

And he’s probably right: Immigration reform is popular

I call BS again, AP. Poll answers depend on the questions, and if you don’t ASK a question, you won’t get an answer.

That poll poses the tired old false dichotomy – legalize or do nothing. Nice people are too timid to suggest doing nothing or deportation if not offered an attrition through law enforcement choice.

How about this poll, the ONLY one to offer all 3 choices:

1. Legalize (as in McCain-Kennedy AND Gang of Eight bill)
2. Enforce the law (attrition through enforcement, as in SAVE Act)
3. mass deportations.

63% of Blacks, 62% of Republicans, 60% of independents, 50% of Democrats, and 40% of Hispanics chose #2 — law enforcement and attrition.

Why not hold up both the newly-introduced SAVE Act versus Gang of Eight bill and give the pollee a real CHOICE???

And for those unfamiliar with the concept of attrition — listen to this illegal alien ‘splain it to you as he leaves Georgia after they pass a strict law.

fred5678 on April 12, 2013 at 7:25 PM

G’bye, Rubio.

Midas on April 12, 2013 at 7:37 PM

fred5678 on April 12, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Great stuff, thanks. Like the gun control, abortion, taxation and spending – pick a topic – facts seem to not really matter much anymore, though. Libs have their fantasy policies in mind, and will not be dissuaded by reality, no matter how stark it is.

Midas on April 12, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Great stuff, thanks. Like the gun control, abortion, taxation and spending – pick a topic – facts seem to not really matter much anymore, though. Libs have their fantasy policies in mind, and will not be dissuaded by reality, no matter how stark it is.

Midas on April 12, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Here is some more …

Amnesty as misused is actually not a true amnesty, but a REWARD!!
And amnesty makes as much sense as rewarding the burglar with the stolen jewels. Illegal aliens have STOLEN residency or presence in this country. Residency is the ill-gotten goods. If you REWARD the criminal with his ill-gotten goods, you will of course have more crime. Millions more border crossers and visa overstays. Duh. And mere TALK of amnesty causes a rush to the border – now as in the past.

Simple analogy: a ship is sinking with a hole in the side of the hull. You can A. patch the hole, B. Start bailing, or C. declare the incoming seawater to be “cargo”.

Declaring 11 to 20 million foreign invaders “residents” or “citizens” does not stop the leak. Duh.

The SAVE Act was introduced TWICE by now retired Rep. Shuler (Bluedog – NC) and got over 200 cosponsors (R and D), but Pelosi would not allow a vote. Last session, Boehner and/or Camp would not allow the E-Verify bill out of Dave Camp’s Ways and Means committee.

The SAVE Act is now introduced by an R for the 3rd time – exactly same wording as Shuler’s. Watch what Boehner does or doesn’t do to identify more traitors to American citizens.

fred5678 on April 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

The GOP has become completely useless. They stand for nothing. Our current ‘leadership’ could care less about American citizens. We are their sheep being led to slaughter at the alter of the Democrats and the cheap labor business lobby. How many more issues will the Republican party raise the white flag on? And at what point do we conservatives finally realize we have a one party system with two sides of the same coin?

Jerry Bear on April 12, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Bush tool. :-(

Punchenko on April 12, 2013 at 10:41 PM

I thought at first that Rubio could be a real up and comer.

But he just lost my vote. It’s one thing to pander to latino’s, that’s bad enough, but he’s just plain stupid if he thinks there’s any benefit to the GOP from an amnesty.

Free Indeed on April 12, 2013 at 11:02 PM

WTF is it with Latinos, they never want any other race moving to their countries but that all want to move here and suck off the American tit? Even worse, when they get here they propagate the same actions that caused their counties to be dung heaps. Yeah, I could have said that nicer, but SCREW THEM!

rgranger on April 12, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Power corrupts.

kingsjester on April 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

That’s not applicable to Rubio.

Rubio was corrupt even before he received some powers from the Conservatives.

TheAlamos on April 13, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Immigration reform laws can trusted to be enforced entirely only with a Republican in the WH.

Chessplayer on April 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Tell that to Ronald Reagan, circa 1986.

profitsbeard on April 13, 2013 at 3:41 AM

It is interesting that HotAir is edging towards becoming “Bush Central” with the tacit support for Senator Rubio.

People need to remember that Senator Rubio’s mentor was Governor Jeb Bush; and his tactical adviser is Karl Rove.

On April 1, when the news broke that big labor and big business had reached an agreement, as Byron York noted in a tweet:

Schumer on MTP: ‘We’ve come to a basic agreement, which is that first people will be legalized…Then we will make sure the border is secure’

— Byron York (@ByronYork) April 1, 2013

Unless that has changed, and there is no evidence that it has, the bill that Rubio has decided to promote is “shamnesty” to quote Michelle Malkin.

Why? When the Democrats controlled the House, Senate and the Presidency, did they push forward with border security? No.

During the course of negotiating the bill, the bi-partisan group of Senators and the White House have refused to meet with the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Union.

What does this tell us? That The talk of securing the border and clamping down on those who overstay their visas after legalization is not serious.

ICE Union President Calls On Rubio To Leave ‘Gang Of Eight’

Does anyone seriously believe that the Democrats and the Obama administration will move forward with border security once the illegals are legalized?

Of course not. Once the illegals are legalized, the Democrats will immediately begin pushing that these individuals be able to become citizens, as a way of “pandering” to Hispanic and Asian voters.

Lies, Damn Lies, and Enforcement Promises

Senator Rubio can talk all he wants about the bill being a starting point of the conversation, but the reality is that the Democrats control the Senate.

As such, any proposal to amend the bill to require that we secure the border and clamp down on people overstaying their visas before legalization will not pass.

Oh …. as to the suggestion that come 2016, if Senator Rubio is the Republican nominee, people who are unhappy about this will fall in to help defeat whomever is the Democratic nominee, especially if it is Secretary Hillary Clinton.

Don’t count on it.

Earlier this week 16 Republican Senators, lead by Senator McCain voted for cloture on a bill that no one had seen, which many believe impinges on the 2nd amendment, and will do nothing to stop violent crime.

Now we have Rubio’s “shamnesty” proposal.

Throw on top of that Speaker Boehner’s talk about ignoring the Hastert rule to push through gun and immigration legislation in the House, and you have a recipe for political disaster for the Republican party.

People are ready to walk; and unless something changes, not only will Republicans not win the Presidency in 2016, the Democrats will likely regain control of the House in 2014, along with keeping control of the Senate.

But, maybe that is what Republicans want, since they seem hell bent on “killing off” the TEA Party and Liberty movements.

P.S. Oh yes, let’s not forget that Senator Rubio is a neo-conservative when it comes to foreign policy; and for his next act, after he is done dealing with Immigration, he is going to start pushing for Education reform, an area that the Federal Government has absolutely no business dealing with in the first place.

john.frank on April 13, 2013 at 5:51 AM

Fact; The issue of immigration has never propelled any presidential candidate into office. In fact, it has been the Achilles Heel of several Presidents, including Reagan.

The immigration issue is divisive and notorious mostly because of the abuse perpetrated by both advocates and detractors. So expecting a reasonable and “clean” bill which will not be subject to the whims of one political party is not only unrealistic- but it’s never happened.

Using a “grand bargain” instead of measured, wise and overwhelmingly supported smaller steps, makes it more likely in the end we will all be less secure and worse off.

Personally, I am shocked that Senator Rubio has allowed himself to be convinced this omnibus legislation is either wise or achievable. It appears he’s been mislead that demographics, the contemporary sine qua non of establishment Republicans, will win the day.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Demographics and the game Republicans are playing is simply a subversive liberal strategy. Democrats have not only pulled Republicans away front their strength- principles, but in the process seriously damaged their brand. They’ve successfully positioned Republicans as the enemy of immigrants and Democrats as their “savior”. As such, they will successfully play any omnibus bill as Democrats bending the will of those “immigrant hating” Republicans to once again help them “gain their rights”.

It’s foolish, short-sighted and certain to be bad for everyone involved- most importantly, the American people.

Marcus Traianus on April 13, 2013 at 6:36 AM

Lindsey Grahamnesty is all over the airwaves here in South Carolina pushing his “conservative plan” for immigration reform.He touts border security,the fine,going to the back of the line,and the need to learn English.What is never mentioned are the words “path to citizenship”.This is amnesty period.These illegals should not be rewarded.Send them home and let them apply for citizenship like everyone else.The government should set a date for the roundup giving them a chance to self deport,then use our returning National Guardsman and troops to begin the roundup.Anyone who tells you it can’t be done is simply shilling for amnesty.If we can come up with a 1500 page bill to grant these invaders amnesty,we can come up with a plan to send them home.Our national sovereignty and the rule of law should mean more than pandering to Hispanics for votes!

redware on April 13, 2013 at 7:36 AM

I want to see the bill. I want it posted for five days on the internet so I can ready it. But more than that, I am concerned that any bill will be treated by the current administration like the other old laws they discard, decide not to enforce, and do as they please. On immigration and on gun control, the same problem: there are laws already. Where are the laws that force the administration to spend the money to complete the tasks WE want first?

Without addressing the lack of enforcement by ICE, by homeland security and by DOJ, no laws matter. Entitlement spending MUST be done, why not things that matter to you and me? I want to deport the criminals that end up in jail over and over and kill Americans with their lack of law abidance; I don’t want to invite illegals into the welfare and benefit systems; and I want criminals who use illegally obtained guns and break the gun laws that are on the books, to be removed from the rest of what used to be polite society.

So, show us the path to enforcement, and I will show you a better America.

Fleuries on April 13, 2013 at 7:53 AM

” Rubio’s making a perfectly rational calculation here that he’ll gain more with Republican centrists and independents than he’ll lose with conservatives.”

He will certainly gain favorable coverage by ABC, CBS, CNN, and NBC plus the WAPO and NYT. That’s really the audience whose approval RINOs seek.

Nomas on April 13, 2013 at 8:08 AM

The country i grew up in is lost and gone. It lingers on in a few choice places almost like a memory. If I live long enough their won’t be anyone to even believe it really existed.

claudius on April 13, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Had the conservatives and social cons rebelled a long time ago when this co-ruling party showed their vacant souls we wouldn’t be watching this betrayal of our nation by its protectors.
They are at best, showing total lack or courage, but more likely,complete complicity as they finally came fully out into the open as the anti-freedom power mongers they are–regardless of their deceptive talk and pretense at virtue.
I for one will vote for anyone but the GOP candidate and I won’t vote for the socialist de jour the Dems put up–may as well write-in Vlad Lenin to do that.

Don L on April 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM

So much for the Anti-Rand movement flocking to Rubio as their savior.

MelonCollie on April 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I still remember how, about two years back, I got so many down-thumbs at the “Big” sites when I stated my opinion that Rubio would turn out to be a traitor. That he would be loyal to the “Hispanics” first, and to actual Americans some place down the list.

This is sad to say, but it looks like I am vindicated.

friendlygrizzly on April 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Romney was the last time I hold my nose and vote Republican. I’m done! They are two sides of the same coin. Anyone who believes Congress is gridlocked, that’s only about free condoms or other trivialities. The real agenda still gets passed regardless of which side is ‘running the show’. I refuse to rubber stamp the status quo by choosing between the two parties backed by the same money.

Russ in OR on April 13, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Hey, Russ:

You’re not alone. After the ’12 election, I gave up Faux news (with the exception of Krauthammer & Saturday’s financial shows), & gave up voting. To think I voted for McAmnesty because he was the lesser of 2 evils, & Romney, because he wasn’t a marxist (guess that was a good enough reason, but he didn’t win); stick a fork in me, I’m done.

Add to the kick in the pants, I’m in SC, & who do they elect in the primaries? An adulterer. Not only that, Sanford used taxpayer monies for his Argentina trips.

Let New York have a sexting Mayor. Let the liberal republicrats support same sex marriage.

We already have Fauxcahontas in the Senate, & Florida couldn’t wait to get back the nastiest mouthed Grayson, but sure, kick out, with the help of the GOP, Allen West.

There’s nothing that’s going to stop America’s decline.

Belle on April 13, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Very simple really. If Rubio sings any bill then law that doesn’t allow for immediate border security then his political career’s finished with me. We’re not playing that 1986 immigration Gooney Bird dance with the Dems again only for them to breach another agreement. C’mon Marco, if this happens, and I don’t care about anyone else, you’ll lose me in seconds.

The same with this BS firearm registration. What are you people doing in DC. It seems all of you are your hands and knees looking for dignity when the truth is the Dems are using you all for bicycle racks.

Tangerinesong on April 13, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Belle,

You’re not alone. After the ’12 election, I gave up Faux news (with the exception of Krauthammer & Saturday’s financial shows), & gave up voting.

I’m with you on Fox News. You don’t balance biased news with news biased the other way, you balance lies with the truth.

As for voting, I’d encourage you to vote for someone, whether it’s 3rd party or write-in. I’d like to see the Republican party realize it’s losing its base. I’d really like to see multiple parties European style. Then I wouldn’t feel like my vote didn’t mean anything.

Russ in OR on April 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

How many times do Republicans need to be shown that when they work with Liberals they are hurt by it?

If it goes badly, Schumer and McCain can slink off into their other causes and disown Rubio. If it goes well, Democrats can rightly claim that Republicans caved to their agenda (again).

Republicans will not get Latino votes for this. Rubio will not get presidential kudos and will lose the Conservative base that put him where he is.

In fact, talking about a presidential campaign by Republicans is laughable because they seem to have no clue on opposing Democrats on any issue at all. They are not even a credible opposition, so why would the public expect them to govern?

The only tea-party Republicans that have been doing any damage to democrats are Rand Paul and Ted Cruz. And even these guys get distracted with Gay-Marriage nonsense and more non-fixes to the immigration system.

virgo on April 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Hope you are happy being a hero to a few thousand Hispanics who just might wind up voting for you.For millions of conservatives you are nothing but an unprincipled pandering traitor!

redware on April 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

What could go wrong? He loses conservative votes, such as mine, because he has no respect for the laws of this country. As has been said before many times, “What part of illegal don’t you understand,” Mr. Rubio?

polarglen on April 14, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Haha

I’m sure all of you Rubio boosters will apologize and repent now, right?
Keep harboring traitors and you wonder why you keep losing. Heh

flawedskull on April 14, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Now who were those folks selling Rubio as the next big up and comer Conservative? Yeah… let’s not listen to them anymore.

Ukiah on April 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM

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