NYT: The border security provisions in this Gang of Eight immigration plan aren’t very strict, are they?

posted at 11:21 am on April 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Mickey Kaus, I glossed over this in yesterday’s post but I shouldn’t have. What happens if, as everyone but everyone expects, DHS can’t meet the Gang of Eight’s security targets at the border after five years?

Magical things, my friends:

[I]n a delicate compromise worked out over weeks of negotiations, the bill avoids any hard hurdles related to border enforcement that could eventually halt the progress of those immigrants on a pathway to citizenship…

If, after five years, border officials have not reached the surveillance and enforcement goals [i.e. catching or repelling 90% of attempted border-crossers], the bill creates and finances a border commission, made up of officials from border states and other experts, to help the Department of Homeland Security reach its goals…

At the end of 10 years, officials must show that the border security plan is operational, the fence is completed, and the worker verification and visa exits systems are operating. At that point, immigrants in provisional status will be allowed to apply for green cards.

If there’s one thing you can count on in Washington, it’s a bipartisan commission succeeding where all else has failed. Question one: If the Gang thinks DHS is so likely to fail at enforcement (which, in fairness, it is) that they’re already providing money for an emergency commission to help rescue it after five years, why not just establish the commission now? Or better yet, why not hold a bunch of hearings right now to pick the brains of “officials from border states and other experts” so that DHS has the expertise it needs before a bill is passed? You know why: The longer the process drags out, the more skittish key constituencies will get about the bill and the greater the risk will be that it’ll fail. (That’s why Pat Leahy and Democrats don’t want more than a single token hearing after the recess in early May.) Installing a commission after five more years of security failures sounds to me like something designed to take political heat off of DHS rather than something that’ll help significantly with border improvements. Without the commission, the public would grow restless after five years and demand explanations from Homeland Security on why they can’t tighten the border even with a bipartisan congressional mandate. The Gang’s anticipating that and, to head off the restlessness, providing a preemptive “solution.” No need to panic if DHS is dragging its feet. There’ll be a commission by 2018 to “help” them out, i.e. buy them another five years of public patience to see if they can make any headway at the border.

Question two: What happens after 10 years if the border’s still not secure? Another commission? No one on either side seriously believes that Democrats will continue to hold the path to citizenship in abeyance at that point simply because DHS can’t get its act together. In reality, there is no true border security “trigger” here. Homeland Security gets 10 years to give its best efforts. If it miraculously succeeds before those 10 years are up, then the citizenship process is triggered early. If it fails, then Democrats and Republicans (in the name of Latino outreach) will huddle and agree to let the green-card process begin immediately irrespective of security conditions. If you don’t believe me, believe the Democratic members of the Gang:

Sens. Chuck Schumer (N.Y.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Michael Bennet (Colo.) disputed a report in Wednesday’s Wall Street Journal that the immigrants would have to wait until law enforcement officials are stopping 90 percent of people crossing the Southern border.

According to Democratic sources briefed on the legislation, the Department of Homeland Security would need to implement a plan that achieves the 90 percent apprehension rate, but the rate itself is not a trigger and a barrier to the pathway for citizenship.

The Democratic Senate negotiators didn’t provide a detailed description to the [Congressional] Hispanic Caucus, instead asking that the members trust them.

“We told them when we first met with them you have the last word, and we started this meeting with them saying exactly the same thing,” Durbin told reporters. “We need to have your approval.”

Exit question: Why does the Congressional Hispanic Caucus have “the last word” on U.S. border enforcement and normalization of illegals?


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This entire thing is a horrifying joke. Look what these aholes are doing to us and our nation, standing there like the prima-donnas they are and selling out 300 million Americans with that smug look on their yaps.

Bishop on April 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Second look at Charlie Crist?

Jon0815 on April 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM

The longer the process drags out, the more skittish key constituencies will get about the bill and the greater the risk will be that it’ll fail.

There is no chance that the bill will fail. It is going through. Republicans just want to ensure it goes through with the least amount of pain for them, while Democrats want to maximize said pain.

Doomberg on April 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Exit question
Pander

cmsinaz on April 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Tell me why I should want Rubio to be president? He is helping democrats win for a very LONG TIME. How the heck are we suppose to pay for all those Democrats-in-waiting? (Illegal Aliens) During the 10 years we will have A LOT more of people crossing the border, so they can get the free money, and free food.

BroncosRock on April 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Jon0815 on April 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I hear that.

HerneTheHunter on April 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM

What happens after 10 years if the border’s still not secure? Another commission?

LOLOL. No way. What will happen will be another Gang of Eight proposing a bill to add the 15 million illegals that have come in since then.

Dusty on April 11, 2013 at 11:36 AM

If, after five years, border officials have not reached the surveillance and enforcement goals [i.e. catching or repelling 90% of attempted border-crossers], the bill creates and finances a border commission, made up of officials from border states and other experts, to help the Department of Homeland Security reach its goals…

At the end of 10 years, officials must show that the border security plan is operational, the fence is completed, and the worker verification and visa exits systems are operating.

That’s hilarious, but you really shouldn’t be running subtle parodies of governmental incompetence and political passing-the-buckmanship and making them look like the real thing.

That is is a parody, isn’t it?

Drained Brain on April 11, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Are they sure five years is enough time? I mean, the liberals will surely dismiss the failures as ‘anecdotal’, and therefor not valid evidence. Maybe they should compromise and settle on seven years. Waiting ten years might make the Pubs appear to be caving and uninterested in protecting the borders. Seven would work, though. /

Liam on April 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Tell me why I should want Rubio to be president? He is helping democrats win for a very LONG TIME. How the heck are we suppose to pay for all those Democrats-in-waiting? (Illegal Aliens) During the 10 years we will have A LOT more of people crossing the border, so they can get the free money, and free food.

BroncosRock on April 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

It doesn’t really matter what Rubio does unless he actually stops the bill. If you have 30+ million illegals voting in 2016, the Republican Party is going to get absolutely blown out everywhere. Let them make Rubio the nominee or let them make Rand Paul the nominee, it just won’t matter at that point.

Doomberg on April 11, 2013 at 11:44 AM

This illegal immigration issue is going nowhere… Even if a bill passes the Senate it is going to fail in the House… If they could not do it in 2007 they are not going to do it in 2013…

mnjg on April 11, 2013 at 11:44 AM

In other words~

DEATH TO AMERICA!

profitsbeard on April 11, 2013 at 11:44 AM

The only appropriate response to seeing this legislation awaiting signature is a table flip.

Ukiah on April 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM

As a foreign observer, the border question is a real head scratcher. Why is it even a question? These people were never American, they criminally arrived and they are certainly a net drain on the nation despite cheap lawn mowings. So why is this allowed? Is it unconscious collective guilt for relieving Spain of its southwest possessions? What other nation does this? Ten years to secure the border? Jeebus, get serious.

BL@KBIRD on April 11, 2013 at 11:47 AM

What happens after 10 years if the border’s still not secure? Another commission?

LOLOL. No way. What will happen will be another Gang of Eight proposing a bill to add the 15 million illegals that have come in since then.

Wouldn’t warmly welcoming Mexico as our 51st state be easier? We have millions of their citizens here already and we’re advertising there for recruiting for our government freebies. Should be a no-brainer.

hawkeye54 on April 11, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Bush with a tan. Does Florida have a Senator recall option?

Archivarix on April 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM

The only appropriate response to seeing this legislation awaiting signature is a table flip.

Ukiah on April 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM

The real reform needed is to reform the lawless behavior of our government toward enforcing the existing laws.

Why they think anyone trusts them to enforce new laws when they now scoff at out current immigration and border laws is the mystery.

profitsbeard on April 11, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Hispandering isn’t pretty and just cost Rubio any chance of future presidential aspirations. But of course it is Bush’s turn this go round.

trs on April 11, 2013 at 11:53 AM

In other words~

DEATH TO AMERICA!

Well, death to the Republic of the USA. To be reborn as a changed and evolved nation.

hawkeye54 on April 11, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Since this was Allah’s lead piece today, I take it Pryor, Landreiu, and Manchin haven’t “evolved” yet.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Public outrage could stop this the same way it did with McCain several years ago, because this is obviously a sham. Either Rubio’s falling for it or it’s part of his grand plan to get into the White House.

But what happens if it doesn’t pass? There’s no chance of any a la carte legislation ever getting through. Leave it up to the states?

Dongemaharu on April 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I get so sick an tired of this stuff. Our founders told us what was required to keep the politicians in check. But the Marxists have long since convinced the patriots that there is only a single path to follow.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

But, hey, just keep thinking you will get one thing you really need from government through the ballot box, you have hope for change, right?

astonerii on April 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

As a foreign observer, the border question is a real head scratcher. Why is it even a question? These people were never American, they criminally arrived and they are certainly a net drain on the nation despite cheap lawn mowings. So why is this allowed? Is it unconscious collective guilt for relieving Spain of its southwest possessions? What other nation does this? Ten years to secure the border? Jeebus, get serious.

BL@KBIRD on April 11, 2013 at 11:47 AM

All about votes, my man, just votes. Where are you? I’m about ready to bail.

msupertas on April 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Securing the border was never a goal in this amnesty bill. Destroying the country is it’s primary aim. I would say, lets vote everyone that votes for his amnesty bill out of office but after the 2012 election we found out that the greatest share of the electorate are as stupid as the politicians they vote for. We live in a country today that is dying from self inflicted wounds, while we continue to elect those inflicting the wounds.

savage24 on April 11, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Deport the Gang of Eight and every slimy POS who supports illegals over the citizenry and our national sovereignty.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

But the border is more secure than ever!

Between October and December, records show, a remotely operated drone radar aircraft detected 7,333 border crossers during its Arizona missions. Border Patrol agents, however, reported 410 apprehensions during that time, according to an internal agency report.

So in other words, we’re practically starting at zero.
How many years have we already been at this?

lynncgb on April 11, 2013 at 12:17 PM

We can’t make deals like this with democratics. They are not to be trusted to keep their side of the bargain. When will we learn that?

slickwillie2001 on April 11, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Ten years….

*spits*

Any border security provisions that are enacted, and lets be honest, any that are will be so watered down or waived or otherwise ‘deemed’ to have worked – that theyre all but meaningless.

Meaningless.

Bishop is right, it’s all a joke. They don’t care. It’s all a fracking pander.

catmman on April 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Run. Away. Marco. NOW.

cdog0613 on April 11, 2013 at 1:34 PM

All about votes, my man, just votes. Where are you? I’m about ready to bail.

msupertas on April 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM

I’m north and east of the mainland US’s furthest north and east. Settled by American conservatives a few centuries back. :)

BL@KBIRD on April 11, 2013 at 1:43 PM

ell me why I should want Rubio to be president? He is helping democrats win for a very LONG TIME. How the heck are we suppose to pay for all those Democrats-in-waiting? (Illegal Aliens) During the 10 years we will have A LOT more of people crossing the border, so they can get the free money, and free food.

BroncosRock on April 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Rubio doesn’t care. He’s counting on getting the hispanic vote because he’s uh, er, hispanic?

Vince on April 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM

The same people that brought us obamacare and now going to fix our borders.

wonderful, what could go wrong.

acyl72 on April 11, 2013 at 2:18 PM

The border is about as secure as James Garner’s jail cell in “Support Your Local Sheriff”, only without the threat.

Dexter_Alarius on April 11, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Bye, GOP.

Decoski on April 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

The Democratic Senate negotiators didn’t provide a detailed description to the [Congressional] Hispanic Caucus, instead asking that the members trust them.

“We told them when we first met with them you have the last word, and we started this meeting with them saying exactly the same thing,” Durbin told reporters. “We need to have your approval.”

Exit question: Why does the Congressional Hispanic Caucus have “the last word” on U.S. border enforcement and normalization of illegals? (Allah)

Is it a question with only one answer (Hispandering), or no answer at all? You could simply say Durbin is a leftist nitwit to whom political posturing is the only policy and what is good for the country is a meaningless concept, but even that doesn’t really explain a pander this nutty.

Increasingly, the only policy on immigration that actually works politically is a very austere one — we will grant no citizenship, ever, to anyone who has illegally entered the country. It won’t stop illegal immigration, but it will end the invasion as a pathway to citizenship and disarm the Democrats for a decade or two.

Jaibones on April 12, 2013 at 2:36 AM