Filibuster fails: Senate votes to open debate on gun-control bill, thanks to 16 Republicans

posted at 12:01 pm on April 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

I use the term “gun-control bill” loosely because … no bill exists yet. But let’s not let procedural niceties deter us from Doing Something. Among the 68 who voted to proceed on the bill this morning are 16 Republicans. Per Chad Pergram:

Alexander
Ayotte
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Heller
Hoeven
Isakson
Kirk
McCain
Toomey
Wicker

Democrats voting against proceeding: Just two, Mark Pryor and Mark Begich. Everyone else in the caucus except for Frank Lautenberg, who was absent, voted yes. A message to red-state Dems (and aisle-crossing Republicans) from the NRA:

We hope the Senate will replace the current provisions of S. 649 with language that is properly focused on addressing mental health inadequacies; prosecuting violent criminals; and keeping our kids safe in their schools. Should it fail to do so, the NRA will make an exception to our standard policy of not “scoring” procedural votes and strongly oppose a cloture motion to move to final passage of S. 649.

Whole lotta NRA ratings are going down tomorrow. Toomey’s reportedly telling friends that he hopes for for six to eight Republican votes to beat the next filibuster on cloture (although Mark Kirk appears to be the only sure thing right now). That’s possible, but is it possible to get to 60 with “only” that number of Republicans? You’d need at least five even if the Democratic caucus votes unanimously, and that’s a big if given the pressure on Pryor, Baucus, Landrieu, and Begich to block the bill. I can even almost imagine a scenario where Reid gets 60 votes for cloture and then the bill fails on the final up-or-down vote. There’ll be plenty of centrists, starting with the red-state Dems I just named, who’ll be looking to please both sides by casting a yes vote on cloture to beat the GOP’s filibuster and then a no on the bill itself to prove their pro-gun bona fides. If the GOP votes no as a bloc on the final vote, you’d need just six Democrats to join them to kill this thing. But Reid won’t allow that humiliation to happen. Presumably, if he knows he can’t get to 50, he’ll pull the bill. Stay tuned. Exit quotation via WaPo:

For Manchin, that agreement was the payoff from months of relationship-building with Republicans, including nights of pizza and beer on a senator-stuffed boat called the Black Tie. The final deal was worked out over the past week, and concluded late Tuesday with a huddle at a rooftop birthday party for TV host Joe Scarborough.

Update: DrewM e-mails with a fair point. There is a bill — the main gun-control bill that Reid’s been pushing. There’s no Toomey/Manchin bill yet, but that’ll be added as an amendment to the main bill later.


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They were sidetracked by SoCon demands to address abortion.

hawkdriver on April 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM

That’s an awful lot of True Conservatives, Mavericks, and Tea Partiers. Can’t say I’m surprised. The Vichy GOP strikes again.

abobo on April 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Window dressing to placate the drummed-up anti-2nd Amendment hysteria.

Brave Sir GOP bravely ran away.

profitsbeard on April 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Whole lotta NRA ratings are going down tomorrow.

Yep, and the usual filthy pigs are voting against the values of their party. Somebody please primary Lindsey Graham. Please God, Strike John McCain down with some sort of painful disease. May the rest of them burn in hell.

Happy Nomad on April 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

overheard on Senate floor:

“btw, what’s in this bill that I just voted for?”

“Don’t worry, it’ll be great.”

BobMbx on April 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

For Manchin, that agreement was the payoff from months of relationship-building with Republicans, including nights of pizza and beer on a senator-stuffed boat called the Black Tie.

Disgusting. Despicable…

JohnGalt23 on April 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Filibuster fails: Senate votes to open debate on gun-control bill, thanks to 16 Republicans RINOS

Fixed.

(And what’s up with Jeff Flake?)

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM

That’s a lot of primarying we’ve got ahead of us.

Doughboy on April 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I look forward to Dianne Feinstein showing me all the weapons I wish I owned on the Senate floor. I wonder, do we need to submit to a background check at a Dianne Feinstein Gun Show? And I wonder what she’ll take in trade for some of that hardware she shows off.

NotCoach on April 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM

McCain and Graham “reached across the aisle”?

I.
Am.
Shocked.

CycloneCDB on April 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Filibuster fails: Senate votes to open debate on gun-control bill, thanks to 16 Filibuster fails: Senate votes to open debate on gun-control bill, thanks to 16 Republicans Treasonous Worms

Fixed.

The GOP should die a quick death.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM

If you cross reference these names with their voting records, you’ll probably see that each one of them has a history of pretending to staunchly oppose some legislation presented by the Democrats only to end up voting to pass it anyway.

Mahdi on April 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Yep, and the usual filthy pigs are voting against the values of their party. Somebody please primary Lindsey Graham. Please God, Strike John McCain down with some sort of painful disease. May the rest of them burn in hell.

Happy Nomad on April 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Careful. Wishing a painful disease on a public official might get conflated with supporting lynchings of public officials in these parts.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Can’t even watch the video, once the snot rags were broke out I could tell this was all for show and the screen actors guild should demand initiation fees and union dues on top of a nice fine for impersonating real actors.

fourdeucer on April 11, 2013 at 12:10 PM

For Manchin, that agreement was the payoff from months of relationship-building with Republicans, including nights of pizza and beer on a senator-stuffed boat called the Black Tie. The final deal was worked out over the past week, and concluded late Tuesday with a huddle at a rooftop birthday party for TV host Joe Scarborough.

Some people can be bought off so cheaply.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2013 at 12:10 PM

So, these dipsticks are putting their neck on the line for a bill that will never pass the House?

We all need to remember these names. Not because they voted for cloture, but because they are too stupid to be US Senators.

Medbob on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Alexander
Ayotte
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Heller
Hoeven
Isakson
Kirk
McCain
Toomey
Wicker

Mark them. Remember them. If any of them are not successfully primaried, or heaven forbid, any get re-elected, then we deserve them…and what follows.

Not one single provision of this bill will stop or would have stopped any of the most recent carnage, if the wannabe murderer is hell bent on going out in a blaze off glory.

coldwarrior on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

GOP should focus on defeating the bill on the up and down vote. Filibustering it just give Obama more ammo. If they can’t defeat on an up and down vote, force red state Dems to choke on it for 2014 and flip the senate.

Zaggs on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

This has the charm of finally putting the gun issue to bed for a while. Let them vote, let the House knock it down, and remove another issue from the LSM talking heads. No more ghoulish uses of tiny caskets, and no more trotting out by Obama of political props in the form of bereaved parents.

Like with ‘immigration reform’, we’ll be revisiting this subject again at some point.

Liam on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Tennessee voter here. Lamar Alexander has lost my vote, although he has never really had it. He is a joke. He is not a defender of the Constitution, fellow Tennesseans. VOTE him OUT in November 2014.

Alexander doesn’t care about us. Believe it.

FastTalker on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

At least Democrats stab us in the front.

Kataklysmic on April 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I received some mail from a local doctor announcing a senate run. I think he is primarying Burr. If I thought I could mash up a coalition, I’d do the job myself.

nobar on April 11, 2013 at 12:15 PM

GOP should focus on defeating the bill on the up and down vote. Filibustering it just give Obama more ammo. If they can’t defeat on an up and down vote, force red state Dems to choke on it for 2014 and flip the senate.

Zaggs on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

This. I don’t see any upside to a filibuster on this.

ChrisL on April 11, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Word has it that Boehner had to be restrained at the door to the Senate chamber as he was desperately trying to vote to proceed.

He calmed down after he was reminded that he was a Representative, and the Speaker of The House, and he could vote in his own room down the hall later on.

BobMbx on April 11, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Once our squishy republicans roll over on gun control, they can move on to really important items like immigration and boxer control and maybe even a carbon tax.

Here is hoping the House looks at any bill from the senate and throws it in the trash.

elowe on April 11, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Careful. Wishing a painful disease on a public official might get conflated with supporting lynchings of public officials in these parts.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Yes. Only the liberal trolls are “allowed” to say what they wish here.

kim roy on April 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

The greatest gun salesmen in the history of the world.

For a group of people who are trying to control citizens access to guns, they sure have been instrumental in making sure more Americans own unregistered weapons than ever before in our history. 38 weapon sales per minute at last check.

HotAirian on April 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Not one single provision of this bill will stop or would have stopped any of the most recent carnage, if the wannabe murderer is hell bent on going out in a blaze off glory.

coldwarrior on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

It’s really more insidious than that. Nothing is being proposed that does more than make it harder for law-abiding citizens to exercise their civil rights. The thugs dressed in Obama 12 shirts who routinely shoot each other on the streets of Chicago will not be undergoing any sort of background check, they will not be paying any sort of liability insurance for having a gun, they will not limit their ammunition to seven rounds.

This is an affront on the Second Amendment.

Happy Nomad on April 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Kind of surprised Portman didn’t cast his vote for cloture.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

For Manchin, that agreement was the payoff from months of relationship-building with Republicans, including nights of pizza and beer on a senator-stuffed boat called the Black Tie. The final deal was worked out over the past week, and concluded late Tuesday with a huddle at a rooftop birthday party for TV host Joe Scarborough.

A rooftop circle jerk. An ugly one at that.

msupertas on April 11, 2013 at 12:17 PM

So, where’s a copy of the bill I can read so I can write my opinion to my elected representative to inform their vote?

What? Nobody knows what’s in the bill?

That crashing sound from Washington you hear is another piece of the edifice called “democracy” against tyranny falling down.

Socratease on April 11, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Border control…how did my iPhone make boxer control?

elowe on April 11, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Can’t wait to be rid of Chambliss. Broun will be a huge improvement.

topdawg on April 11, 2013 at 12:19 PM

GOP should focus on defeating the bill on the up and down vote. Filibustering it just give Obama more ammo. If they can’t defeat on an up and down vote, force red state Dems to choke on it for 2014 and flip the senate.

Zaggs on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

This. I don’t see any upside to a filibuster on this.

ChrisL on April 11, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Except for the fact that they’ve decided to proceed on a debate about a bill that doesn’t even exist. How do you have debate about a bill that does not even exist except as a loose set of ideas without any of the specifics filled in- like reporting requirements for mental health issues and who gets to see any such flags. What exchanges are subject to background checks and which are not?

Bottom line, there shouldn’t have been a vote to proceed to debate until there is something to debate. What the hell about that do you morons not understand?

Happy Nomad on April 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM

“Whole lotta NRA ratings are going down tomorrow.”

Going down? The NRA ought to announce that this bill may be cause for a new standard and if the bill is found to be unacceptable to the NRA, they will change the rating for those voting for passage to ZERO and add a blue-colored UNTRUSTWORTHY to their column.

Dusty on April 11, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Lately, I often get a feeling that the GOP loses elections on purpose. Nobody can work in politics for decades and be so terrifyingly stupid as to intentionally alienate one’s electoral base. Could it be, perhaps, that both parties are like two hand puppets fit for the same hand? Nah… right?

Archivarix on April 11, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Kind of surprised Portman didn’t cast his vote for cloture.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

I guess is evolution into a Democrat isn’t yet complete. Give it a few more polls.

Happy Nomad on April 11, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Every damn week these jokers in Congress give me yet another reason to ask rhetorically, “So why am I supposed to be voting GOP again???”

Aitch748 on April 11, 2013 at 12:23 PM

This. I don’t see any upside to a filibuster on this.

ChrisL on April 11, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Bad legislation not passing means less bad legislation on the books. Less badness = more goodness, after you cancel the minus signs.

Perhaps that is insufficiently nuanced for our RINO friends.

RINO in Name Only on April 11, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Alexander – YEP
Ayotte – YEP
Burr – YEP
Chambliss – Not surprising – Will Eric from restate say anything??? Eric went RNC…
Coburn – What the hell???
Collins – YEP
Corker – YEP
Flake – What the hell???
Graham – Oh yeah…might as well put a (D) by his name
Heller – Reid must have something on him….
Hoeven – Surprising…
Isakson – is there something in Georgia’s water???
Kirk – YEP
McCain – Oh yeah…might as well put a (D) by his name
Toomey – Bye Bye Pat…2016….
Wicker – Don’t know about him….

redguy on April 11, 2013 at 12:26 PM

The only reason they voted to kill a filibuster was to shut up Paul and his buddies. They didn’t want to be “embarrassed” like that again.

GWB on April 11, 2013 at 12:27 PM

They were sidetracked by SoCon demands to address abortion.

hawkdriver on April 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM

You forgot the sarc tag hawk. “They” are however not seeing the big picture or the agenda of the liberal progressives, namely to begin the criminalization of legal gun owners, followed by confiscation.

A good friend wrote to Toomey and this was fairly understood:

Issue – Gun Rights [ironic that's how he lists the option, isn't it]
Subject – Your sellout of the 2nd Amendment

Dear Former Conservative:
Since you won’t listen to those of us that helped put you in office, maybe you will listen to one of your colleagues. Please read the article linked below.
If you read the article carefully, you will be able to see that Coburn say this “deal” of yours is the government taking over gun shows.
That’s called GUN CONTROL.
But you aren’t principled enough to stand up and be counted when it matters.
Notice also that he says this puts an undue burden on law-abiding citizens. That’s called INFRINGING ON 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

All good points in my humble opinion.

Rovin on April 11, 2013 at 12:28 PM

1) The Institutional Republicans will always betray conservatives and the country. Bet on it. Carve it in stone.

2) Saying that the bill [and any bill attacking the Constitution] will die in the House ignores the fact that in every conflict with the White House and the Democrats in this session of Congress; it has been the Institutional Republican Speaker of the House and his immediate retinue who have voted with Nancy Pelosi and against the overwhelming majority of the Republican caucus to give victory to the enemy.

3) The Constitution is under deliberate attack by the government, and electoral and legislative defenses have been breached; which must be taken into account for the future.

4)

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Well played, sir. Now on a totally unrelated matter, does anybody have the email for “tumbrels-r-us”?

Subotai Bahadur on April 11, 2013 at 12:28 PM

The NRA ought to announce that this bill may be cause for a new standard and if the bill is found to be unacceptable to the NRA, they will change the rating for those voting for passage to ZERO and add a blue-colored UNTRUSTWORTHY to their column.

Dusty on April 11, 2013 at 12:22 PM

I agree. The NRA should at least spike the guns (pun intended) so that rat bastard traitors like Manchin or Toomey can’t campaign on the idea that they support the Second Amendment because they clearly do not. One tweak I’d make….. Instead of a blue-colored UNTRUSTWORTHY, I’d suggest a bright read ANTI-CONSTITUTION

Happy Nomad on April 11, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Alexander
Ayotte
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Heller
Hoeven
Isakson
Kirk
McCain
Toomey
Wicker

Mark them. Remember them. If any of them are not successfully primaried, or heaven forbid, any get re-elected, then we deserve them…and what follows.

Not one single provision of this bill will stop or would have stopped any of the most recent carnage, if the wannabe murderer is hell bent on going out in a blaze off glory.

coldwarrior on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

The house needs to man up and make sure these Senators pay with their seats….
Many house members are checking their calendars to see when these traitors are up for election.

redguy on April 11, 2013 at 12:29 PM

The new GOP strategy:

Where are they gonna go?

Wigglesworth on April 11, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Make those red-state dems squirm.

Ukiah on April 11, 2013 at 12:30 PM

For Manchin, that agreement was the payoff from months of relationship-building with Republicans, including nights of pizza and beer on a senator-stuffed boat called the Black Tie. The final deal was worked out over the past week, and concluded late Tuesday with a huddle at a rooftop birthday party for TV host Joe Scarborough.

So that’s all it takes nowadays, huh?

The Senate needs a collective enema of its RINOs next year

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on April 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Bottom line, there shouldn’t have been a vote to proceed to debate until there is something to debate. What the hell about that do you morons not understand?

Happy Nomad on April 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Bad legislation not passing means less bad legislation on the books. Less badness = more goodness, after you cancel the minus signs.

Perhaps that is insufficiently nuanced for our RINO friends.

RINO in Name Only on April 11, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I didn’t say pass the legislation. I said a filibuster doesn’t gain anything on this. Do you appreciate that nuance?

This isn’t becoming law. Let Red-State Dems vote for it and lose next election or let them vote against and embarrass O.

The filibuster extends this in a way that is beneficial for Dems. Voting on it extends in a way that is bad for Dems.

What the hell about that do you morons not understand?

ChrisL on April 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM

The only reason they voted to kill a filibuster was to shut up Paul and his buddies. They didn’t want to be “embarrassed” like that again.

GWB on April 11, 2013 at 12:27 PM

They will not shut up Cruz and Paul…..

Ted Cruz gets face time on Fox almost everyday now…..

President Cruz 2016 —–

Hillary sucks – oh wait no she doesn’t – Bill let’s Monica do that…..

redguy on April 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Of course it would be a party with Scarborough.

Abacab on April 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM

“A free people ought to be armed.”
- George Washington

“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
- George Washington

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
- Benjamin Franklin

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
- Thomas Jefferson

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”
- Thomas Jefferson

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” – Thomas Jefferson

“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
- Thomas Jefferson

“On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”
- Thomas Jefferson

“I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence … I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.”
- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense.”
- John Adams

“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.”
- George Mason

“I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians.”
- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.”
- Noah Webster

“The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”
- Noah Webster

“A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace.”
- James Madison

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.”
- James Madison

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.”
- James Madison

“The ultimate authority resides in the people alone.”
- James Madison

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
- William Pitt

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
- Richard Henry Lee

“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves … and include all men capable of bearing arms.”
- Richard Henry Lee

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
- Patrick Henry

“This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty…. The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.”
- St. George Tucker

“… arms … discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property…. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them.”
- Thomas Paine

“The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”
- Samuel Adams

“The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.”
- Joseph Story

“What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty …. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

” … for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.”
- Alexander Hamilton

NotCoach on April 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Remember always, as an old law professor said to us, a long long time ago…bad law enacted for all the most noble of reasons is still and forever bad law.

Not even a printed outline or proposal in writing…and they want to go in and debate the merits?

Gonna end up with 5000 or more pages of bill, then law, wherein nobody actually will read it, and all sorts of new draconian regulations, laws and punishments are going to be foisted upon all of us…

Except for that portion of the population who could not care one bit less about any of this…the bad guys, the thugs, the gangstas, the outlaws and criminals.

Once again, we are enabling crime…and enabling the sure takeover of all of the rest of us by government…in our best interests, of course, so that an educated dedicated elite can dictate their utopian vision and make the world progressively better…

Seig Heil.

coldwarrior on April 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Some people can be bought off so cheaply.

Ah but the beer and pizza party is just one casual event. Its all the other terrific bashes hosted by dems, our RINOs enjoy so much. Support and vote against the wishes of the dems and a Republican finds out how lonely life can be in DC as a political leper. It’s so uplifting to one’s ego to be on the DC A List for parties and get togethers. Standing firmly for GOP Party ideology is just so base and irrelevant.

hawkeye54 on April 11, 2013 at 12:34 PM

GOP should focus on defeating the bill on the up and down vote. Filibustering it just give Obama more ammo. If they can’t defeat on an up and down vote, force red state Dems to choke on it for 2014 and flip the senate.

Zaggs on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

This. I don’t see any upside to a filibuster on this.

ChrisL on April 11, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Except for the fact that they’ve decided to proceed on a debate about a bill that doesn’t even exist. How do you have debate about a bill that does not even exist except as a loose set of ideas without any of the specifics filled in- like reporting requirements for mental health issues and who gets to see any such flags. What exchanges are subject to background checks and which are not?

Bottom line, there shouldn’t have been a vote to proceed to debate until there is something to debate. What the hell about that do you morons not understand?

Happy Nomad

A very logical complaint. But if logic won elections we’d be talking about President McCain and Republicans would have veto proof majorities on both houses. The vast majority of the public will not care that there is no actual bill. They’ll hear the compromise, hear the GOP blocked the bill and go from there.

Zaggs on April 11, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Alexander
Ayotte
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Heller
Hoeven
Isakson
Kirk
McCain
Toomey
Wicker

The gop is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

PappyD61 on April 11, 2013 at 12:35 PM

What’s that squishy sound?

Ward Cleaver on April 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I didn’t say pass the legislation. I said a filibuster doesn’t gain anything on this. Do you appreciate that nuance?

This isn’t becoming law. Let Red-State Dems vote for it and lose next election or let them vote against and embarrass O.

The filibuster extends this in a way that is beneficial for Dems. Voting on it extends in a way that is bad for Dems.

What the hell about that do you morons not understand?

ChrisL on April 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Most people don’t appreciate the nuance… it is hard to say one way or another.

The next few hours will be critical in understanding the nuance…

People are worked up and emotional right now. Let’s not go wobbly and call each other names.

Red state dems have the most to lose. The RINOS need to be run out of the Senate.

redguy on April 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM

What would be nice for the NRA or GOP to do is start a campaign that basically goes “Why are the same people demanding that Newtown gets a vote, never gave parents of Villas de Salvarcar a vote or justice?” exposing both the guns and racial hypocrisy of the Bloomberg type.

Zaggs on April 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Gonna end up with 5000 or more pages of bill, then law, wherein nobody actually will read it, and all sorts of new draconian regulations, laws and punishments are going to be foisted upon all of us…

Of course. Make it up as we go along and as complicated as possible and everyone has a chance of being tripped up and becoming an instant criminal without even trying.

hawkeye54 on April 11, 2013 at 12:37 PM

At least Democrats stab us in the front.

Kataklysmic on April 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM

This.

Of course, this kind of buggery is to be expected from Grahamnesty and McShame, but some of the other Pubs on that list are a bit surprising and disappointing.

CantCureStupid on April 11, 2013 at 12:39 PM

I hope these idiots do not expect to be greeted warmly when they return to their home districts.

kingsjester on April 11, 2013 at 12:39 PM

the usual suspects….dont worry though…the democractic majoritty has assured them they arent trying to take away the 2nd Ammendment rights…so its ok

cmarceron on April 11, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Alexander
Ayotte
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Heller
Hoeven
Isakson
Kirk
McCain
Toomey
Wicker

Ayotte and Toomey are big charlatans, similar to Obama.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2013 at 12:41 PM

The merits of a filibuster on this are debatable, but it’s still hard to understand what a solid red state Republican like Hoeven, or Coburn, has to gain by voting to proceed on this. It had enough votes to get there without them, so why bother? Even Lisa Murkowski seemed to get that much.

changer1701 on April 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM

The final deal was worked out over the past week, and concluded late Tuesday with a huddle at a rooftop birthday party for TV host Joe Scarborough.

What?

Nice.

Bishop on April 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Same pandering, back stabbing RINOs as always,

rplat on April 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Lately, I often get a feeling that the GOP loses elections on purpose. Nobody can work in politics for decades and be so terrifyingly stupid as to intentionally alienate one’s electoral base. Could it be, perhaps, that both parties are like two hand puppets fit for the same hand? Nah… right?

Archivarix on April 11, 2013 at 12:22 PM

OMG! I said the same thing this morning on Twitter! I get the feeling they like complaining, but don’t actually like doing anything. Remember Boehner was on fire when he was in the minority, but now that he’s Speaker, he’s not interested in fighting for the Constitution.

I’ve never seen a party so quick to embarrass themselves while everyone is watching. We had Obama and Dems on the ropes, until Toomey “saved” the day. I won’t be surprised if they lose the House and don’t get the Senate. Losers don’t attract new followers, and they drive away old ones.

Conservative Independent on April 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I didn’t say pass the legislation. I said a filibuster doesn’t gain anything on this. Do you appreciate that nuance?
This isn’t becoming law.

ChrisL on April 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Your nuance is bullcrap. You assume Boehner will not buckle. This is possible, but you are nuts if you think it’s certain, or even especially likely. If you think it’s a worthwhile gamble, make that argument. Either way, your claim that there is no upside to a filibuster implies you so not comprehend the nontrivial chance this will pass.

RINO in Name Only on April 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM

What do you mean there’s no bill?!

Are we taking to making law on oral contracts now?

How doors the legislature know what it’s even debating on?!

Is this the level of rhetoric in our senate today?! “I like stuff that doesn’t suck.”

Or is this just bread and circuses and 4 people will actually write the bill THEY want, and then rubber stamped by the senate?

Its done, its over… The federal government is out of control and ruling by fiat and no longer responsible to the states, let alone the people.

That is NOT a hyperbolic statement. That is FACT.

Skywise on April 11, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Alexander
Ayotte
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Heller
Hoeven
Isakson
Kirk
McCain
Toomey
Wicker

WTF!? Democrats never do this to their party. They vote in lockstep for tyrant every time. Freedom never advances and these turncoats help every time.

jawkneemusic on April 11, 2013 at 12:44 PM

A very logical complaint. But if logic won elections we’d be talking about President McCain and Republicans would have veto proof majorities on both houses. The vast majority of the public will not care that there is no actual bill. They’ll hear the compromise, hear the GOP blocked the bill and go from there.

Zaggs on April 11, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Exactly…thank you.

I think some confuse playing the game well with being a sell out…

ChrisL on April 11, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Careful. Wishing a painful disease on a public official might get conflated with supporting lynchings of public officials in these parts.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Yes. Only the liberal trolls are “allowed” to say what they wish here.

kim roy on April 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Give it rest. The guy was off the rails for a while and not worth defending.

katy the mean old lady on April 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM

what the heck are they voting for if there’s no bill to read?

DanMan on April 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM

They were sidetracked by SoCon demands to address abortion.

hawkdriver on April 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM

You’ve cracked the code….

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I am more ticked off we gave cover to democrats that only voted no because they could …and now they look like champions of the 2nd Ammendment….make them vote what they want….is there a reason we cant play their game…let their vunerables go on record as to what they really want…

cmarceron on April 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM

So they’ve decided to debate a bill that doesn’t exist? What’s the downside, how about that these aholes are just making things up now, not even bothering to pretend that the laws and procedures apply to them.

More and more the politicians are separating themselves from the people they presume to govern; they don’t pay attention, they don’t listen, and they don’t care. This happened once before and free men decided to do something about it.

Bishop on April 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

For me to poop on.

2Tru2Tru on April 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

GAYS / GUNS / AMNESTY

And anyone seriously think the gop that caves in the Senate won’t cave on the House side?

Amnesty is nothing more than a “Broadening Dependency on the Government Act” or “Mexican-USA Unification Act”.

Guns is nothing more than “Disarm the Citizen before we finish off the Country Act”.

Viva, the Ruling Class.

PappyD61 on April 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM

The Quislings never fail to perform as expected. Surprising that Toomey would join the ranks of the Quislings, but this should be his last term in the Senate. Brown loat to a Masshole because he betrayed those who put him in office and Toomey is soing to have learn that lesson now. Same with a bunch of others.

Quartermaster on April 11, 2013 at 12:51 PM

NotCoach on April 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM

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That’s a GREAT list … : )

listens2glenn on April 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Don’t we all wish that it was the McCain that ran in the primary. I liked that guy, this one not so much.

jukin3 on April 11, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Red state Dems–and a few squishy Rinos–just lost the only cover they had. Now, after the bill is actually debated (?), it will be put up or shut up time.

joated on April 11, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Funny…I promise that I heard a Coburn statement this morning on the radio that he was not going to vote for this. What’s he have to lose? Nothing, he’s not running for re-election.

SoonerFn4Lfe on April 11, 2013 at 12:55 PM

When the revolt comes, and it will, these RINO enemies of the Constitution will be dealt with in the appropriate manner…

Doomsday on April 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM

I’m sick of today’s America, the once shining hill for the entire world.

The leftists are all tyrannical and the Rs are dumber than rocks.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM

??
Did Cruz Paul etc Try to filibuster?

I thought they would filibuster an actual vote on an actual bill

if they did try to filibuster this where can I read about it?

RWGinger on April 11, 2013 at 1:00 PM

The final deal was worked out over the past week, and concluded late Tuesday with a huddle at a rooftop birthday party for TV host Joe Scarborough.

That says it all.

No deals on the Second Amendment. None.

Resist We Much on April 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM

So they’ve decided to debate a bill that doesn’t exist?

They need to pass it so they and us find out what’s in it. See Pelosi.

What’s the downside, how about that these aholes are just making things up now, not even bothering to pretend that the laws and procedures apply to them.

The once shinig hill, for the world, is now full of tyrannical leftists and Rs who are dumber than rocks and arrogant too. I hate Ayotte with purple passion. She and Toomey fooled better than most. They are not TEA anything, they are charlatans, like Obama.

More and more the politicians are separating themselves from the people they presume to govern; they don’t pay attention, they don’t listen, and they don’t care. This happened once before and free men decided to do something about it.

Bishop on April 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM

It’s a badge of pride to them to save you from your own ignorance, rube.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2013 at 1:02 PM

The vote was on cloture, not fillibuster – contra opinionum alia – cloture is NOT fillibuster, but the two have become conflated in recent years, to the benefit of the progressive/marxists. The fillibuster can occur if cloture (limiting debate) fails.

What this does do is to force EVERY senator to vote on the final bill, which will not pass the house anyway. That is going to destroy the dhimocrapts and we will remember the republicans who voted to debate abridging the Second Amendment. Aufwiedersehn, Coburn. Coburn, there is nothing you can say, no palliative bipartisanship (giving in to progressives) that can make up for your attempted abridgment of the Constitution.

Old Country Boy on April 11, 2013 at 1:05 PM

f they can’t defeat on an up and down vote, force red state Dems to choke on it for 2014 and flip the senate.

Zaggs on April 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Only problem with that is that most voters would say; What? They had a vote on a gun control bill? What does that mean?

Vince on April 11, 2013 at 1:05 PM

There is something very disgusting to use your children’s death for stages with and for Obama.

Obama feeds on carrion and these idiotic parents let him. It’s disgusting beyond comprehension.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2013 at 1:05 PM

The House will kill anything that comes out of the Senate, anyway. I doubt it will even come up for a vote.

DRayRaven on April 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM

The Tyranny of this government on the rights of it’s citizens continues to grow …………

…..but, we keep electing, and re-electing it.

PappyD61 on April 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM

No deals on the Second Amendment. None.

Resist We Much on April 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM

+1000

Liam on April 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM

At least Democrats stab us in the front.

Kataklysmic on April 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Truer words never spoken…

PatriotRider on April 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM

I agree with the WSJ – the procedural filibuster was a mistake, and gave cover to Red State Dems. Glad it failied.

Filibuster on any amendment or final passage, but the worst possible outcome would have been to have killed the bill in infancy and then be left with the ramifications when the next terrible shooting occurs. The GOP would get the political blame.

Not worth the risk. Fight it on the merits.

matthew8787 on April 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM

DrewM e-mails with a fair point. There is a bill — the main gun-control bill that Reid’s been pushing. There’s no Toomey/Manchin bill yet, but that’ll be added as an amendment to the main bill later.

Yup. This thing has NO chance at passing. In that sense, I kinda wish we’d been able to filibuster and use the opportunity to drag the Democrats’ approval numbers through the mud some more. Draw the whole spectacle out and make them look so bad they have to wait 40 years to try gun control again, instead of just 20.

mintycrys on April 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I’m not sure where we are in the debate, as I’ve lost track with so many varying proposals, but before we jump up and down declaring the end of the Republic, we should ask that the NRA (and the Senators voting with them) be consistant with what they have suggested as the proper role of back-ground checks in the past. We will look worse, overly political, if we do what Democrats do; move the goal post.

Tater Salad on April 11, 2013 at 1:11 PM

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